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Colorado Restaurant Encourages Employees and Patrons to Bring Guns Inside

In a national environment fostering a growing and unfounded suspicion of lawful gun owners, it’s encouraging to see reports like this from Saturday’s NBC Nightly News telecast. It features a small restaurant in the appropriately-named town of Rifle, Colorado, where the owner not only permits customers to bring guns inside the eatery but actually encourages them to do so.

The restaurant, named (what else?) Shooters Grill, is owned by a 27-year-old mother of four named Lauren Boebert, and she begins every day of work by strapping on her 9mm. A sign on the front door of the restaurant, where other places may ask customers to wear a shirt, lays out the welcome mat for open-carrying patrons to bring their guns inside. The NBC report showed customers from all walks of life enjoying breakfast, many of them proudly displaying a packed holster on their hips. Even the waitresses deliver burgers and fries while packing heat. If this isn’t the American dream, what is?

“Many of my waitresses already open carry…they approached me if they could carry while working,” Boebert told NBC. Her answer? Why not. In a country where many large restaurant establishments are going the opposite way – banning customers from bringing guns into their business even if the law says they can carry – Shooter’s Grill has become a kind of 2nd Amendment hotspot.

In one fantastic part of the segment, the reporter sat down to ask an NRA-cap wearing customer what he would think if Shooter’s stopped allowing guns in the restaurant. “I wouldn’t come in here,” he said.

“What about businesses that don’t allow them?” the reporter asked.

“I don’t go in there,” he told her plainly.

While Shooter’s Grill may be in the minority, they certainly aren’t alone. In response to a growing call for strict gun control from liberals who don’t understand the nature of violent crime, many small businesses are taking a stand. The NBC report quoted a Tennessee restaurant owner as saying that the country’s sidelong attitude towards guns was exactly what persuaded her to allow them. “As the owner, I wanted to stand my ground,” the woman said. “I have that constitutional right. If you like it, that’s great. If you don’t, I’m sorry for you.”

Perhaps the greatest thing about places like Shooter’s Grill is how effortlessly they get the goat of leftist gun control supporters who flail about in apoplectic rage whenever confronted with exercised constitutional rights. The NBC report quoted one such liberal, Shannon Watts of Moms Demand Action: “This is a really dangerous situation and it’s contributing to our culture of gun violence in America,” Watts said. “We are not okay with this.”

Whether one group of gun Nazis are against it or not doesn’t seem to make much of a difference to business owners like Lauren Boebert. Let’s hope that other businesses across the country take a cue from Shooter’s Grill and stand against the unreasonable encroachment on our Second Amendment rights.

 



  • kathy

    Well good for them. Just another place that sane people won’t patronize.

    • J_in_TX

      Wrong again, kathy. Open carry is legal in CO and patrons are exercising their God given right to do so.

      • Mark Clemens

        God, Guns, and Guts made America. Let’s bring back all three! !!!

      • Mileg67

        Just cause you can, doesn’t mean you should. Asshat.

        • J_in_TX

          There you libs go with the name calling again. The law says you can. It is up to the individual to decide whether they want to or not. Some want to. They are obeying the law and not bothering anyone except you asshat liberals that are afraid of your own shadow. I was recently eating in a restaurant in downtown Gettysburg, PA. Man walked by going to the restroom with a pistol on his hip. I stopped him on his way back through and we had a good conversation about guns. He had 5 different concealed carry permits and preferred to carry concealed but PA didn’t recognize any of his permits so he open carried. An attractive female, also with a gun on her hip, came by several minutes later. I assumed it was his wife or girlfriend. Their open carrying didn’t phase anyone in the restaurant.

        • CharlieM34

          Mileg, I have no idea how you so incorrectly understood that “can” means the same thing as “must”. You are either really unaware or really uneducated…..maybe just stupid.

          • Mileg67

            WTF? I have no clue as to the rambling you just blathered here. I never said must nor did I ever imply it. My statement is fairly easy concept to understand, but apparently it went over your head.

          • peterkschanz@gmail.com

            Right on ,just lock ad the Swiss the have have no problem with everyone having to one a gun.By low.An how many gun crime’s do you know of in dad country? .Just shows wad a simply mind in dos liberal Air head’s swirl’s .

          • Drawer22

            @CharlieM34 – On the other hand, if one wishes to keep one’s rights, one MUST exercise them.

            De Oppresso Liber

        • Drawer22

          @Mileg67 – Rights not exercised, supported, upheld, and fought for are destined for oblivion. Should you doubt that, compare the rights affirmed (NOT given!) in the Bill of Rights to our Constitution of the United States of America with those decreed as obsolescent by the Patriot Act (together with all its revisions). Then tell me Americans should not exercise their rights! Don’t be a COMPLETE bozo. Look it up!

          De Oppresso Liber

    • tom cook

      You are mindless sludge “kathy”. Sane people will go there because criminals would be crazy to go. Criminals will look for places people like you inhabit with no guns allowed signs. Those places are safe for criminals. Good luck “kathy”.

      • http://batman-news.com POTUSSUX

        Tom Cook you are a bully! Kathy is far from a mindless sludge. Remember this folks, it is easier to win a city than one whom you have offended. If you want to kill someone, kill them with kindness!

        • michaelcain

          But your neighborhood criminal is not kind. more likely kind of kinky

        • Drawer22

          @POTUSSUX – Bear in mind that “sludge” may have been a typographical error. tom cook might just as likely have meant “slug,” possibly of the banana slug variety.

          I have not found kindness to have sufficient mass, muzzle velocity, or expansion on impact. Might you recommend a kindness caliber known to have unequivocal stopping power?

          Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

      • Mileg67

        Unless they walk in with them. Then a gunfight ensues and innocent bystanders will be injured or killed.

        • peterkschanz@gmail.com

          I give her all the kindness as long as her pay/haul stays shot.We do not need all dad mindless sludge.Especial to eliminate all dad garbage a bout danger.

        • Drawer22

          @Mileg67 – Are you certified prescient? To use the certainly of “… will be …” indicates your ability to predict outcome. If that’s the case, I need your assistance in picking winning lottery numbers!

          In point of ACTUAL fact, your presumed prescience has no history of being correct. Where multiple “good guy” shooters are involved, injury to those other than the intended target have been few ─ and I can not recall ANY! Responsible firearms owners are trained to consider the background, knowing that we have an obligation not to shoot at anything we do not intend to destroy (which would include the “innocent bystanders” of whom you speak, if you hadn’t followed the logic).

          Do the research, get trained, and prepare to assure responsibly the safety of those for whom you care, rather than condemning those with the intelligence, training, and skills who assume the responsibility of doing so, both for you and for those we love.

          Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

    • DenverKitty

      Well, Kathy…have you dined lately at a Italian restaurant? a seafood restaurant? a Chinese restaurant? a fast food restaurant? a submarine sandwich restaurant? a mexican food restaurant? You may not have seen the gun on the hip but, here in Colorado, there are conceal carry licenses. You never know who’s packin’ heat. Not that I’d patronize any restaurant that bans my gun — which I rarely step out of my house without — bu,t if you got robbed or carjacked in the parking lot, I MIGHT help you. MIGHT. God bless the U.S.A.

      • Timothy-Allen Albertson

        In many states one does not need a permit to carry conceal at one’s place of business.

        • DenverKitty

          Tim, very true. I prefer concealed carry for two reasons:

          1. The bad guy doesn’t know who is or is not armed; and

          2. I have the advantage, considering the “element of surprise”.

          LOL.

          • J_in_TX

            I agree DenverKitty. I’m a former resident (and concealed carry holder) of CO and my wife is a native. I prefer to conceal carry for the same reasons.

          • Timothy-Allen Albertson

            that is your option–frankly, i prefer carrin a tatctical Mossberg 500 on a combat sling underneath my poncho—-no body expects that

          • DenverKitty

            I never give away trade secrets…LOL.

          • Drawer22

            @DenverKitty – Great to have you on the side of the good guys!

            I carry as seen appropriate to the circumstances. When inside my residence, I most often open carry. On a hot day on my own property, I often often carry. When driving long distances, I often open carry, putting a vest or jacket on when stopping at a restaurant to eat, though not when just stopping for fuel. My reason for carrying concealed is most often allied to the comfort of liberals in my blueneck state. I long for the time when even they understand that firearms are not the danger they believe them to be.

            I do not take exception to your reasoning. It is, in my opinion, quite sound. As a free man, however, I reserve the right to decide for myself which manner of carry is most appropriate to the circumstances in which I find myself or am likely to encounter.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

        • Drawer22

          @Timothy-Allen Albertson – Which, of course, begs the question, “How can a government permit a right?” The right to carry is already affirmed in our Law of the Land, and there is no authority to permit what, at the outside, might be licensing of those who choose to carry in whatever manner they choose.

          De Oppresso Liber

    • Buster Gipson

      Great to Know a liberal SHEEP like YOU won’t be there

      • michaelcain

        Now , Now children . Lets be civil. if those that want and can legally do so will carry enough to protect those of you who can but wont ,but will depend on some one else to protect them . then enough said. Tally Ho

    • Timothy-Allen Albertson

      I am sure you will not be missed. And thanks for your un-American attempt to
      characterize people exercising their Constitutional rights. I bet you dont say that
      about atheists stopping prayers, women murdering their unborn children and
      perverts of the same sex getting some idiot federal judge to say they can marry.

    • http://batman-news.com POTUSSUX

      Oh Kathy! Very sane people enjoy their meals there. Most folks who are scared of guns would benefit greatly by being taught how to safely handle a firearm and effectively use one. I can hear you now OMG, how dare you! Do you drive a car Kathy? Were you taught how to safely operate it and effectively use it? No difference, but car operators kill far more people than firearm operators do. By the way Kathy, cars and guns do not kill people. No one would get out of a gun show or off a car lot alive if they did.

    • Lynn McCrann

      What is so sane about dining or shopping at a place that puts a ‘No Guns Allowed’ sign on the door of their business.
      You would be surprised to know Kathy that many of us do carry concealed but know also that we do not do so to show off but to protect ourselves from the whacko’s who may threaten us or others.

    • Frank Staples

      Kathy, a simple question if you will…would you think a criminal intent on harming or robbing you would feel more at home in this establishment??? Or one that doesn’t allow firearms??? So you’re definition of “sane” is people who would call for the cops to protect them and get robbed or murdered while they wait???

    • Frank Staples

      Kathy, as James says later in this blog, it’s a shame that good people have to carry to protect themselves, but with the crime in this country and an administration that is allowing and welcoming millions upon millions of people across our borders with no idea of who they actually are, it’s a great freedom available to us and not a whole lot of other people in the world. But carrying a firearms is for YOUR protection…ask any cop why he has a gun!! It’s not to protect YOU…it’s to protect HIM!! And finally, a gun is a tool, pure and simple, and you may choose to protect yourself, or you may choose to be a victim…it’s up to you.

    • carguy427

      I’m sure that you don’t mind being robbed then. As the Detroit Police Chief said himself, “When seconds count the Police are only minutes away”.

      • kathy

        Sorry carguy but I don’t go to places where a bunch of small penised men have to run around with guns to show how ‘manly’ they are. I’ve never been robbed either. If you have that fear you might want to reflect on the thought that you might be hanging at the wrong places with the wrong ppl.

        • Drawer22

          @kathy – Recommend you get educated, do the research, and train with a firearms safety and skills instructor who comes highly recommended. It’s entirely possible that you’ll change your mind, once obvious points sink in. Try it, kathy! You just might like the education, training, practice, and the fun we responsible citizens have in our chosen endeavors with firearms.

          Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

    • michaelcain

      If that is your opinion then follow your intuition. but when a cop is not right in front of you when it happens, oh well , just accept what ever they decide to do to you.

  • jbftskj

    I guess those patrons feel quite safe while having lunch or dinner, and the waitresses can keep the oglers and fanny-pinchers at bay! LOL Open carry is much less dangerous than concealed carry, in my opinion. Of course, those with mental problems will act out regardless of open or concealed carry; they are the people who should have their gun rights restricted. Many states permit open carry, and their gun crime rates are lower as a rule than highly restrictive states.

    • Seeking only the truth

      I disagree. Open carry is much more dangerous then concealed. It is showy, it says look at me, I got a gun. You are also more suseptible to having it taken away, and you have just made yourself the first one killed by the perp. Open carry is stupid, walk softly, and carry concealed

      • Lynn McCrann

        Being a CCP holder myself I tend to agree with you on that score.

        • Drawer22

          @Lynn McCrann – And as a concealed carry instructor, I’d disagree on the basis that it depends on the situation and circumstances ─ and yes, I am entitle to carry concealed lawfully. Any time an instructor teaches that there’s only one way which is “right” and “acceptable,” it’s time to seek a better trainer.

          De Oppresso Liber

          • Lynn McCrann

            Excuse me but to which point are you addressing? I am not one who carries in only one manner but in many ways: holstered inside my skirt or slacks waistband or in my special handbag that allows concealment of my weapon.

            I also trained at the sheriff’s dept where I worked part-time when they needed extra help. I actually scored higher that 90% of the men on the range.
            I do feel that it is better for one to carry concealed being that an open carry may well invite an aggressor to pick you as a target first. Let the bad guy wonder who might be armed and not give him an obvious target.

            I appreciate good advice but ignore vague condemnations so be specific.

          • Drawer22

            @Lynn McCrann – So, you carry only concealed, and because you have made that decision for yourself and the majority of situations you are likely to encounter, you agree (as you said) with Seeking only the truth that concealed carry is always the best. Based on my experience as a full-time Deputy, a full-time Police Officer, and a full-time Federal Officer, coupled with my voluntary military combat experience, and NRA certification as an Instructor, and my formal education degrees and certifications (There are other qualifications, as well, but that should be sufficient to give notice that I’m not talking out of my hat.), intelligent and trained individuals are better able to ascertain the manner of carry best for them in the situations they believe themselves most likely to encounter.

            The point I am addressing, lest you have missed it, is incorporated in the above paragraph. From whence you derive the alleged condemnations I am not only unsure, but puzzled.

            To paraphrase Voltaire, “I may not agree with the manner in which you choose to carry, but on my oath(s) in support of the Constitution of the United States of America, I will defend to the death your right to carry in any manner you think best for you.” (The same would also apply to others.)

            You are welcome to whatever good advice you may believe I’ve given you. Generally, I do not give advice, however, as I prefer to rely on my experience.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Lynn McCrann

            I do not take issue with those who would prefer to open carry; I simply make the point I prefer to conceal carry. It allows me to protect myself against the bad guy without tipping off the fact I can protect myself if the need arises.

          • Drawer22

            @Lynn McCrann – Then we agree that the manner in which we or other responsible firearms owners carry is based on preference, circumstances likely to be met, and freedom of choice. Glad we found common ground.

            Sic semper tyrannis.

      • Combatvet52

        Open carry is dumb concealed is a much better option iv’e been doing it since 1960.

        • Drawer22

          @Combatvet52 – A closed mind is a wonderful thing to waste; contrarily, an open mind.

          I’m surprised and greatly distressed that a Veteran would have such a porously closed mind.

          De Oppresso Liber

          • Combatvet52

            I carried concealed in NY for 36 years never had a problem i wore open carry in parts of the state that was allowed at the time, Iv’e been around guns all my life instructed for over 30 years preached SAFETY SAFETY being a good shot comes later, also instructed in the Army.
            When the truce came in Korea it was training every day of the week.
            I mean just think about it walking down times square in NY with an AK on your back or a handgun on your hip, i still have a CCW in the state where i live now for the past 17 years.
            BTW thanks for your service.

          • Drawer22

            @Combatvet52 – And thank you for your service as well, by brother-in-arms. Inasmuch as the greeting from my countrymen was less than warm upon my return from The ‘Nam, I rarely miss an opportunity to express my gratitude toward fellow Vets; for you then, WELCOME HOME!

            As you state, “Open carry is dumb …,” and you follow that with the statement, “…i (sic) wore open carry …,” are you confessing that you were “dumb” for up to 36 years? If so, I’d suggest being a bit easier on yourself, as you probably had good reason to open carry at the time, no matter that you now consider it a marker one lacking intelligence.

            I have not been around firearms “… all my life …,” having been raised as an oilbrat in Sa’udi Arabia. I consider this an asset, as I do not overlook matters of safety and technique which one who might assume, because of long familiarity (“Familiarity breeds contempt.”), are always consistent. Having only taught firearms safety and skills for several decades ─ and far more than 30 years ─ I do not fall prey to thinking I know the only “right” answer for everyone. I adhere to the principle that intelligent people who have knowledge and training in a skill are likely better equipped than I to know what is best for them in varying scenarios. On stage, for instance, I have carried both openly and concealed, the decisions having been based on the nature of the performance.

            As for carrying long guns openly, since when would that be considered strange? Americans have carried long guns openly for over two centuries ─ and you now propose that because it’s 2014 we should give up that right too? What a foolhardy presumption that fascism is acceptable to all! You would completely disarm us all just for crossing the border into NYC, for when in public places is when we are most likely to have need of a firearm! Will you also be disarming criminals by passage of idiotic legislation mandating “gun-free” (except for armed, violent criminals!) Victim Zones!

            By the way, I’d think for most applications in Times Square, I’d prefer the AR-platform to the AK, but that too is a matter of personal preference ─ or would you not allow that either?

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Combatvet52

            No i’m not dumb and i didn’t open carry for 36 years i said in some parts of the state i carried open, i don’t take away guns from honest law abiding people but you know that there are those MACHO guys that like to show off sorry i don’t approve of that kind dangerous business, there is nothing wrong with carrying concealed I’m doing it it for 54 years and yes i have been stopped about 5 times and there was no problem, just recently maybe 2 months ago my jacket opened up and there was an officer present came over to me asked me about the weapon showed him my CCW no problems he even thank me for being calm and cooperative, BTW i was an auxiliary Deputy Sheriff for about ten years, I’m all for guns have always been my Dad started me at the age of 8 how to use a weapon and the main thing was safety, Stay well Nam Vet.

          • Drawer22

            @Combatvet52 – Then I gather we are agreed that the manner in which responsible firearms owners carry is a matter of freedom of choice and none of our business.

            I see nothing inherently wrong with carrying concealed OR carrying openly. The responsible firearms owner decides what is best for the circumstances likely to be encountered. Lest you be misled, I do NOT consider that open carrying is necessarily macho, though I do believe it is possible to play macho by open carrying ─ nor do I think that carrying concealed is always appropriate to the circumstances either!

            Our oaths of support for the Constitution of the United States of America supersede any personal opinions either of us might have about this issue, however, as the Law of the Land makes no mention infringing on the rights of any responsible citizen to carry (“bear”) arms, either openly or concealed. Too, our oaths have not been rescinded, so we are still privileged to be bound by them. In doing so, stay safe, my friend.

            Sic semper tyrannis.

          • Combatvet52

            OK cool stay safe and loaded.

          • Lee Birkhead

            What is it that people don’t understand about “….shall not be abridged”?

          • Drawer22

            @Lee Birkhead – Whether “abridged” or “infringed,” fascistic Marxists seem to have had those words stricken from their unique lexicon.

            De Oppresso Liber

      • Frank Staples

        Negative, seeking, because it would take a pure idiot to try to take away a firearm from an open carry patron. Maybe in the movies but not in real life. A criminal would have to be very desperate or very stupid to attack or rob an establishment with an open carry patron present. Most criminals don’t want to kill anyone and they certainly are not “Rambo” enough to try to take away a firearm. I used to think as you did before we sat around one day and thought the whole issue through. Remember, the instructors are making good money teaching concealed carry!! Remember, the Aurora shooter passed by a couple of places where guns were NOT banned before choosing the theatre. And since your firearm is concealed a criminal may think it’s perfectly all right to commit his crime and then the situation has accelerated to the point that gunfire is not only possible but probable!! And lastly, remember that if you walk into a banned place with a gun and get “discovered” it is a misdemeanor whereas if you have a CCP and get “discovered” it’s a felony!!!

        • carguy427

          If you want to be shot in the back by a gang banger, then open carry. You don’t think they’d rob you in any other way do you. They might even do it just to show they’re ‘tough’.

          • Valor

            A gang banger will shoot you in the back regardless.

          • Frank Staples

            And what is the point of your comment?? If they want to show how tough they are they certainly could shoot just anyone!! You didn’t really read my comment did you??? Most criminals will simply target easier victims…it’s been proven over and over again by polls in our prisons! Criminals don’t like the 2nd Amendment. Period…as our liar in chief would say!!

      • Valor

        I disagree! I am a former LEO from a state that always had open carry. It was no problem, no one felt t

      • Drawer22

        @Seeking only the truth – As a LEO, I open carried most of the time I was on duty. To tell you the truth, I most often felt it was the badge which made me a target, not my sidearm. As a civilian, I have carried both openly and concealed. While for most circumstances, I feel more comfortable carrying concealed, when it’s a hot day and that extra layer of clothing adds degrees of felt temperature, open carry is greatly preferred. Too, on occasion, I drive while open carrying, though I know it would be of immediate concern were I to be stopped by a LEO. At no time while open carrying, however, was it ever for the purpose you allege of me, that it was “showy” and was for the purpose of saying, “[L]ook at me, (sic) I got (sic) a gun.” I did so because, in my excellent judgment, it was appropriate for the situation and circumstances in which I was then engaged.

        If “… the instructors at Gunsite and magpul (sic) dynamics (sic)” disagree, then we have a disagreement, though I think they’d know better than to say I’m wrong, just as I know better than to say they are. And I certainly wouldn’t do so on the strength of the understanding of a student of theirs! What folly THAT would be!

        Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

  • Judith Robinson

    If this was a restaurant in my city I would feel totally safe there. What idiot would want rob the patrons or the help? They would have to be a moron to do that!

    • Valor

      There are a lot of morons in America. Look at who they vote for.

      • michaelcain

        that is for a false feeling of dependency. look at all the free things . they get from charging the rich .some kind of parity that makes them equal without working. they have no pride.and let their kids run in the streets and get killed.and look now another baby boy is dead.look no further than your own face for the blame

        • kathy

          The kid is dead because some f’d up cop got his jollies blowing away the kid. What happened to shoot ‘me in the legs and sort it out from there. 6 shoots including a head shot! How can you morons defend that? Over a freaking box of cigars! If any of you can justify that you are sincerely in moneyed of medication.

          • jenna

            Killing someone for jollies is one thing but there was eyewitnesses stating the boy rushed him after he told him not to and the cop’s eye was bashed in the socket but i guess that was okay right? If a cop tells me to stop i’m going to stop and i’m sure not stupid enough to tell him You wont shoot me! DUMB DUMB DUMB! That black teen was HUGE did you not see that? He had to be high on drugs or just stupid! I saw where they were ascertaining that the entry wounds entered his head because he had his head down running towards the cop to “rush” him. That’s a threat folks. Cops do not always do what they were meant to do but when someone does that i would probably do the same thing if i was in his shoes.

          • kathy

            If that cop didn’t react the way he was taught then he shouldn’t have been a cop.

            Not sure where you got your version of this event. I just watched the news this evening and I certainly didn’t hear that but then again i don’t watch FUX news.

          • jenna

            i CAN TELL you don’t watch Fox News because any liberal will only watch what OBAMA wants them to .. FOX has the guts to tell it like it happened. I’M so glad i’m not one of the sheep that is being led to the slaughter and i can think for myself. I’ve watched CNN ,MSNBC BEFORE and i couldn’t believe all the lies and misconstrued stories they tell. They sound like PELOSI AND REID when they are thinking up some story and turn and twist it to meet their agenda. Sad as all get out that our country has turned to a Muslim to run this country and it is so obvious he has no experience and he doesn’t care anyway. HE was raised Muslim and he is Muslim. HE was taught to tell what people want to hear that is in the Quran or koran whichever you want. It is just so unbelievable that anyone with any scruples at all would even consider buying into his lies…..SAD

          • Drawer22

            @kathy – Do you always do as you’ve been taught? If so, then your parents and teachers should likely be jailed for having taught you that filth is appropriate means of communication. And if you believe that each person is responsible for his own actions, then you should be jailed with them. Fortunately for all of you, there is no such punishment for spouting filth.

            Now, how is it that you not only have information on how that particular LEO was taught and trained, but also know that he did not respond in the manner taught and trained? And, if it was a reaction, not a response, how do you propose to teach or train anybody not to react? If you have an answer for that, then you are way ahead of all others in the field of human psychology! Or do you even know the difference between response and reaction? From that which you have posted, I’d think not!

            De Oppresso Liber

          • al sowins

            You are ignorant of the series of events and so foolishly misrepresent the scenario. And the officer did exactly what he was trained to do. The suspect rushes you, fractures your eyesocket, grabs your gun, fights you for it, loses, runs off, returns, rushes you again. You pop him twice, aiming for his pee pee. He keeps coming. You zip him twice more, again in his privates. Hestill keeps coming, is almost on you, so you take him out with two head shots. Thats classic. This suspect was 6-4, a gangbanger, 300 lbs, a strongarm robber; wait till you see the rest of his record, grassed up and wait till you see the rest of the toxicology report!
            Of course the cop could have let the thug waste his other eye, too. Or handed over his gun and let the thug shoot up the neighborhood.. But he wasn’t trained to do those things.

          • kathy

            Wow al. Do youmdomthatbwith every scenario in your life? Just makeshift up and think people ate going to believe it? Try taking in your news source from somewhere else besides FUX News. You’ll look less stupid that way. Not by much but it’s worth a try.

          • Drawer22

            @kathy – Read the reports. Get the facts, rather than relying on your own erroneous suppositions. And try cleaning up your vocabulary. You might also see about researching why people are trained with firearms in the manner that they are; some of it is for their own safety, while much of it is for the safety of others, including suspects.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • jetmagnet

            So now you’re the gun preacher, trying to impress people again?? You’re little Latin tag line is freakin silly. What did you do in the service peel potatoes??

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – Your pitiful attempts to demean your betters are not worthy of further response.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • tinkerunique

            I may be an idiot in your book, but I have a radio and outside antennae what reaches out to Japan. I can also hear the local radio stations in that area. Maybe I’m just nosey, but I like to find out the facts before I spout idiocy.

          • Drawer22

            @tinkerunique – Might you be 05B4S-qualified? Just curious.

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          • jetmagnet

            Drawer, you’re very curious aren’t you fella? I got you pegged. You’re a freakin setup artist.
            You ask too many questions to be intelligent.

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet:disqus – Your pitiful attempts to demean those more intelligent and better educated than you are not worthy of further response.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • jetmagnet

            Maybe if you quit the writing in Latin and came down off your pedestal you’d get some respect,as it is you come off as rush limbaugh polishing his medals…oh that’s right, rush is a chicken hawk that avoided military service along with Hannity and most of your heros.

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – And maybe if you’d take an ESL course, as well as your medications, you’d be more understandable ─ and maybe even less a danger to society!

            As to my “writing in Latin,” do the research, and you’ll find I didn’t author the clause. As it is, you come off as the moron you are.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • jetmagnet

            It’s Latin adopted by the Army- it should be de oppressione liberare. It probably represents the fraternity of your group. Still posting it as a Badge with it’s meaning being
            “to liberate the oppressed” Is pure hypocracy of the teabag ideology. Teabags like to crucify the oppressed by removing their food stamps, reducing their wages and kicking them off unemployment. If you believe in your motto, your in the wrong party- the party of feed the rich. maybe you should change it to “Feed the plutocracy” and starve the poor, would be more appropriate.

          • jetmagnet

            President Obama awards Staff Sergeant Robert J. Miller, U.S. Army, the
            Medal of Honor for conspicuous gallantry. Staff Sergeant Miller receives
            the award posthumously for his heroic actions in Afghanistan in January
            2008. October 6, 2010.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBgRPtyS0oA

          • Drawer22

            @kathy – Ever tried to shoot a moving target? Bear in mind that a moving target’s legs move faster than the high-center of mass. Now, think you can accurately shoot a moving leg of a moving target? Being a firearms safety and skills instructor with exceptional credentials preceding that choice, I’m rather good, but it’s not a shot I’d even consider! Doing so isn’t taught, and for good reason: When bullets miss their target (and even some that hit), they keep on traveling; the fewer that hit the intended target, the more likely it is that a presumably innocent person would be the recipient of your ill-reasoned, poor training.

            Too, it is obvious that you are cherry-picking your supposed facts, none of which have been proven. Was it over “… a freaking box of cigars” or was it because a large, younger suspect in the physical condition a younger man is expected to be was aggressively charging an older, smaller law enforcement officer? Of the two scenarios, the latter is more probable, though I don’t know the proven facts either, only the biased stories of those on the side of rioters and the paucity of leaked information. What you have amply and ably demonstrated is what is known as a “rush to judgment” ─ provably so!

            Think before displaying your ignorance so publicly.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • kathy

            If the cop can’t take a non-lethal shot at a moving target he shouldn’t be a cop. If the victim is moving away from the the cop then there is no need for a lethal shot. You’re jus another small penis ammosexual who probably should be committed right along with your rogue cop buddy.

          • Drawer22

            @kathy – Of COURSE a cop can “… take a non-lethal shot at a moving target ….” Just because your vagina is reminiscent of a full mayonnaise jar, however, does not make you an expert at either the application of tactics or firearms. The reason we aren’t taught to take shots at smaller, faster-moving, non-lethal parts of the body is because of the increased possibility of collateral injuries and/or fatalities to the proverbial “innocent bystanders.” On the other hand, your untrained and uneducated way of handling violent encounters WOULD contribute to ZPG, of which I gather you are a proponent.

            Get some education and training in the application of force before thinking you have the answers. Would that be such a bad idea? (Only a bad idea to an ignoramus, and I’ll make an allowance against all odds that you are not one.)

            De Oppresso Liber

          • al sowins

            You know nothing whatsoever about shooting people. No police are trained to take “non-lethal” shots. Your are a cophater, period. remain ignorant. Let the sane laugh at you.
            You deserve it.

          • kathy

            BTW Butthead most of those looters are opportunists from outside of the Ferguson area. Get a clue jackoff.

          • Drawer22

            @kathy – And the difference it makes that “most of those looters” are not from Ferguson is …?

            You further betray your lack of intelligence, education, and basic ability to use the English language while not making any point at all. Oh, yes! That’s right! I forgot! You’re a low-information liberal, as redundant as that clause is.

            Suggestions: Clean up your vocabulary and at least have a stab at making a relevant point. An alternative would be to wait until surgery is completed on your recto-craniotomy and you have the opportunity to enjoy the masturbation you incorrectly allege of me.

            Have a better day, and take note of your betters in this conversation.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

            There is no need to get your panties in a knot,,,,settle down. Ad hominem attacks don’t belong in any adult conversation.

          • Lee Birkhead

            Apparently you’ve already “Tried” the f’d-up cop without a trial and without hearing all the evidence. You also apparently are willing to take the word of fanatic looters in place of court & jury justice. You’re what’s wrong with the system. This so-called “kid” was possibly drugged weighed 300#, 6ft.3+ and obviously very intimidating thug & bully as evidenced by video robbing the cigars. I wonder what you would have done in the cops or store owners position? Talk about “morons”? Get in the game, Kathy.
            Can you imagine if the reverse happened where a black cop killed a overgrown white bully? Would all the white dudes protested out of control demanding immediate justice, inciting a riot and looting all the stores in your ‘hood as well as inviting “whiteys” from all over the country to come and participate in the free-for-all? Get real.

          • kathy

            Well Lee Butthead – you don’t seem to have any problem with the cop who tried, convicted and executed and unarmed kid i guess the rest of get in to the game by trying and convicting an idiot cop.

          • Lee Birkhead

            But Kathy, that’s just my point you are only assuming the actual events according to zero evidence. You don’t know if the cop “tried, convicted and executed and unarmed kid”. Don’t start calling people names, it show lack of class. I spent lots of years in the US Navy and can out cuss you any day.

          • Drawer22

            @Lee Birkhead – Thank you for your service, my brother-at-arms. For that which may have been OCONUS, WELCOME HOME! (Those last two words have made a world of difference for me.)

            De Oppresso Liber

          • Lee Birkhead

            Thanks, 22, same to you. Aren’t we glad Kathy won’t be on the jury. Obviously not much brain power there. She would prefer a lynch mob w/o trial. Why are liberals so out of touch with reality, especially Constitutional “Rule of Law” ??

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204325511367677

          • Drawer22

            @Lee Birkhead – If I had the answer to your question, along with an advanced degree in the field of psychology and an unlimited research grant to delve into other mental abnormalities of dam’liberals, I’d be rich and world-reknowned! As it is, like you I suspect, I satisfy the urge to exterminate pests by being a persistent burr under the saddle. Coupled with an occasional success at showing the light to those sufficiently ignorant to believe themselves protected by the imagined power of progressivism, I find genuine delight when truth brightens their wondering faces and enthusiasm to learn more of firearms replaces the dour visage of the anti-inanimate-object fear and hatred we know as the cognitive disorder of hoplophobia.

            As to kathy being on any jury, I’m quite sure I could have her dismissed for cause, assuming she had sufficient education to read anything not composed entirely of vulgarities and a sense of responsibility to show up for jury selection voir dire, both of which are in considerable doubt. Too, having an ability to comprehend solely at the level of a raving idiot is not generally considered a juror’s best asset, nor is a preference for criminality, such as lynching.

            Saw a previous posting of that link (Thanks, by the way!) and upon watching the entire video, immediately posted it to my FaceBook page.

            Next time I drive cross-country, I’m going out of my way to have at least one meal at Shooters Grill in Rifle, Colorado. Think I might even spend more than a night in town, as it’s more likely than not to be a safe haven for the law-abiding. In the meantime, keeping my powder dry is the adult version of the Boy Scout motto: Be Prepared!

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Lee Birkhead

            Shooters is probably the safest restaurant in the world, agreed? I would venture to say that ANY public establishment inviting armed citizens, concealed or not, is surely safer than on the street of Ferguson today. Just guessing.
            As for expansion of your answer to my question, if these people, including the late Mr. Brown, were cut off of whatever subsidy(s) they are receiving they would not be on the street at night because they would be too tired after a hard days work. I know. I’ve been there.
            Forget kathy, it ain’t worth it.

          • Drawer22

            @Lee Birkhead – I’d agree that Shooters Grill is certainly among the safest, though fortunately not the only eating establishment to invite Americans to a place of safety. Matter of fact, I’d wager that Rifle, CO, is safer for Shooters Grill be located there!

            Neither the late Mr Brown nor this kathy twit are worth much of anything, as I understand it. The decedent learned his lesson a little late, just as the twit may learn when LEOs are called to draw her chalkline. Oh, well!

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • al sowins

            Two main factors in “Kathyitis” are ignorance and perverted values/priorities.”To liberate the oppressed” is the noble Special Forces motto, ours was, “All the way”.Those who have not been taught and then lived by such morals necessarily lack the ability to evaluate difficult scenarios. They have no foundation on which to stand in order to see the Big Picture. So, like Kathy, they spout stupid stuff.

          • Drawer22

            @al sowins – Yes, I’m honored to be among those of us who lived. Airborne gave me the start of true dedication, for in OCS, while others glued a gold bar in their helmet liners, I glued my wings; they needed incentive to become something; I had already proven myself and only had to live up to that which I already was.

            I can not but agree with your assessment of the kathyitis disorder, though I may have to look up specifics in the current DSM.

            Sic semper tyrannis.

          • al sowins

            In DSM4 it shows as:”Antisocial Personality Disorder”. The only known effective treatment is a six foot two by four with a big nail in the end of it.

          • Drawer22

            @al sowins – Might I presume the nail need be applied cranially?

            De Oppresso Liber

          • al sowins

            Yes, please. Oorah!

          • tinkerunique

            Understood U 2. SE Asian “Wargames” = “Can Do”.

          • Drawer22

            @tinkerunique – WELCOME HOME!

            De Oppresso Liber

          • Lee Birkhead
          • Cartius

            6’4″ and 300 lbs.. He may not have had a weapon in his hand, but that does not mean he is not in fact a weapon. Would you say that Chuck Norris couldn’t kill someone bare handed if he was of the mindset to do so? I am not 6’4″, nor 300 lbs.. Yet, as a military veteran, the police consider me a deadly weapon as well. AND I WAS A NAVY MECHANIC!

          • keepyourpower

            Kathy should have known that she did not stand a chance with Intelligent, Conservative, ex Military men and a former police woman commenting on this thread. Too ignorant to understand. I learned a looong time ago…not to open my mouth, or sit at a keyboard, and type, until I had all my facts straight.
            Her “itis” is well explained by David Kupelian …editor of WND.

          • Drawer22

            @Cartius – Though in a different branch of the Armed Forces, allow me to thank you for your service.

            You, being a naval Veteran, have addressed an interesting, tangentially related topic, that of Veterans being considered dangerous. Some years ago, well before 9/11, in Kalifornia (KA), I was stopped at night in a well-lighted area for the equipment infraction of having a headlight out. Obeying the lawful orders of the Police Officer who stopped me, I stepped out of my vehicle, backed to the rear of it, then permitted myself to be handcuffed and courteously placed in the backseat cage of the stopping Officer’s marked unit. Counting the law enforcement vehicles and uniformed Officers at the scene, I asked why ten (10) Officers were thought necessary to back up a headlight out stop. The stopping Officer replied that their information indicated that I was a Special Forces officer. Affirming that I was, I stated that so many armed officers with so much visible weaponry seemed a bit excessive, even so. The stopping Officer then stated that I was also considered dangerous for having been a LEO. Surprised, I quipped, “But you ARE a LEO! Does that mean you’re dangerous and that people should be afraid of you?” He laughed, saying I had a point but, for all-around safety (which I understood to include my own!), the handcuffs should stay on. (I was transported to the Police Station, where I was later released without so much as an equipment citation. Upon release, I showed the stopping Officer the manner in which I could have released myself from the handcuffs; his eyes widened noticeably!)

            These days, there is an additional factor: The present administration has declared military (and, presumably, naval) Veterans to be “potential domestic terrorists” for having served our country well, faithfully and honorably. The world we knew is topsy-turvy! Do you level best to stay informed, and keep yer powder dry, Sailor!

            De Oppresso Liber

          • Cartius

            Thank you for your service as well. Because you commented on someone’s occupation number(s), I will comment I had 3 NECs, If I looked on my DD214, I would remember them myself. They were for Machinist Mate/submarine auxillaryman rating, diesel operator/mechanic, and oxygen generator operator/maintenance affectionately called “The Bomb”! Because if you were not careful, the Navy would be scraping you off of the bulkhead with a spatula. Several sailors found that out the hard way. I was also in the process for a 4th NEC I think? L1/SS QAI. It meant I could supervise the installation of equipment exposed to sea pressure. I had just qualified before I left, and if it had an NEC, I just never got the paperwork.

          • Cartius

            Regarding one of your other posts about the legality of bringing a firearm to a bar….. I don’t drink, I don’t go to bars. I do however go to restaurants that serve alcohol. The only reason I don’t carry right now, is I don’t own a pistol, nor a revolver. I have owned both. My personal preference was the IDI Desert Eagle in .44 Remington magnum that I had once, or the .45 ACP M1911 A-1 that I trained on. I have also owned a Dan Wesson SS security 6 w/vent. rib and red dot. in .357. I normally shot .38s in it. Now, some people may say, “Is that a penis extension” about the .44. But I just liked the way it handled, and I could shoot it one-handed. I have heard most people cannot. I like the two handed grip for practice, but if you are trying to minimize your profile, one handed makes you a much smaller target. I will eventually buy another D.E., I still have 2 magazines sitting in my safe. I want another IDI one, but will probably have to settle for a Magnum Research model. I want the plain jane, but all I can seem to find are the ones with useless extra grooves in the barrel, etc. I don’t think they draw as cleanly as the original. : ( One thing I am not liking about disqus is, I can’t seem to find a way to talk to other members without commenting on the forum.

          • Drawer22

            @Cartius – Regarding consumption of alcoholic beverages, I don’t. Other responsible drinkers of my acquaintance do, and I do not find fault with their ability to handle that which I am unable and have no desire to retest.

            We have similar tastes in firearms, though not exactly the same. Being a civilian now, I have given much more thought to concealment, though I evaluate the circumstances and dress(!) accordingly. As being on stage is among my avocations, I’m considering a Glock 36 (.45 caliber subcompact) as an ankle holstered sidearm. My accustomed carry is a Colt Commander (the lightweight alloy) in .45 caliber, holstered in a horizontal-carry, Galco shoulder rig, which then provides the ability to load it with a 10-round magazine (plus one in the chamber and two additional 8-round magazines on the opposite side). In my first LEO job, I carried a blued Colt Python 4″ barrel .357 caliber with self-customized Pachmeyer grips (so my speedloaders would fit) and the Magnaport modification to the muzzle end; it handled like a .38! A later LEO job required the S&W Model 66 in stainless steel with a 4″ barrel; department loads were 158gr .357 caliber ─ not a bad sidearm for the work we routinely did. For both LEO jobs, off-duty sidearms varied between my Walther PPK/s in .380 caliber and my Colt Commander (above), depending on what type of function I was attending.

            I very much agree with your 2-handed versus 1-handed perspective and am in the continuing process of convincing my fellow firearms instructor of the advantages in adding 1-handed to the routinely taught 2-handed, as well as doing so for both with either hand as the primary. Ya jes never know what you’ll need!

            The Desert Eagle is an awesome pick and a firearm I thoroughly enjoy. In .44 magnum, however, it was a bit much for most of what I would have used it for, as well as being more difficult to conceal. Too, I wanted to stick as closely as possible to that with which I, like you, had been so well trained and became exceptionally proficient. To each his (or, I’m pleased to say, her ─ as girls and women are making such great strides with arming themselves and training these days!) own, and I certainly wouldn’t take any issue with your excellent choices!

            Re Disqus: Agreed!

            If there’s any reasonable means of assisting you in a return to being properly dressed, I’m listening.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Cartius

            I know it can’t be concealed, but I am moving next spring to WY, where it is not considered unusual to be wearing a sidearm. The .45 that I wore as a nuclear weapons security guard, came in a really nice shoulder holster. (I can neither confirm or deny that there were nukes onboard, even though the sub I served on became razor blades in 2002)…… lol I was considering one of those with a .45. It’s nearly impossible to even find a good belt holster for the .44 DE. Right now they are both on my wish list, but I’m married and in college. Maybe next year I’ll be able to afford one, the prices are starting to come back down on the .45 at least, I haven’t looked at the .44 in months. They wanted 1500.00 for one then. : (

          • Cartius

            Were you aware, that in the Great State of Michigan, the REPUBLICAN state representatives, passed a law requiring veterans to have all new driver’s licenses issued showing you are a veteran, and requiring you to purchase a veteran license plate for all of your registered vehicles? They SAY it’s to show that Michigan wants to acknowledge our service. I think it’s to make it easier to single us out in a traffic stop.

          • tinkerunique

            Kathy – Have you read the REST of the story about the “poor kid that got killed” ? He WAS involved in a strongarmed robbery just before he got shot AND had a violent criminal record. Supposedly he was running away – but got shot from the front. The cop tried to stop his charging, then killed him after that attempt failed. NO mention of the drugs in the “poor kids” system. WHY did the town get trashed because a thug got killed ? IF the “poor kid had been killed by another black thug little press about it. CHECK OUT THE FACTS

          • keepyourpower

            Number 1..You sure type ignorantly! Number 2, Police Officers are taught to shoot in the KILL zone..which is the chest area. They are NOT taught to shoot a leg, or arm. Obviously, the “kid” was hopped up on something! First he breaks the cop’s eye socket, and tries to get his gun….then he turns and starts to walk away…and COMES BACK with his hands up…but also, taunting the cop..and keeps on coming…..Tell me..if that 6’4″ 300 pound guy had just done that to you…would you not fear for your life? I would! The cop probably could not see well, with his eye hanging out…or very damaged…and he just shot to protect himself. I would. The shot in the head, was the last shot..the one that killed him…and that occurred as he was falling down, from the other shots. One less bully on the street.

            By the way, the officer did not know that this huge guy, was the same guy, who had just committed a strong armed robbery.

            Another thing..you need to go back to elementary school, and learn grammar, and spelling.

  • Terry Hamblin

    This is the first step to where the country is going. Back to the 1880s and self defense, but with a lot more common sense, I hope. It is very simple, an armed robber is going to think twice or three times before he runs into a store or Bank in an area where he knows that almost everyone is carrying.

    • wdcraftr

      TH, Lots of people want open and free arms, but our Govt. wants our Guns, and will Not stop till they get them. They want the people powerless, and that’s where it’s going, unfortunately..

      • Terry Hamblin

        I know wdcraftr, Hitler wanted all of the guns, Stalin wanted all of the guns, Franco wanted all of the guns, does that tell us anything? The hunters in this country could be the largest army in the world, Hope it does not come to a shoot out, but we should be working the Police forces to let them know what is going on, and that we want them on our side since the fight is not with them but with a few corrupt politicians.

        • jenna

          Most of the cops will side with the government. There will be some if it comes down to it that will help the citizens it just depends on how much they love their freedom and God and their country.

          • Drawer22

            @jenna – As a former LEO, I agree with your assessment of which side of the Constitution of the United States of America most LEOs will fall, and unfortunately, it’s on the side of fascistic tyranny, likely because LEOs are all too often faced with people who need to be controlled, criminals. We rarely have much interface with people who are not involved with crime, either on one side or the other, and most of our time is spent with criminals, not the law-abiding (who don’t need controlling!).

            Now for the good news! Many of our Armed Forces personnel, particularly those in the more elite units, are quite well-versed in the provisions afforded and rights affirmed in our Constitution of the United States of America. The great majority would MUCH sooner turn their arms ─ borne, wheeled, tracked and drawn ─ against oppressors of the American people. Add Veterans to that mix and you have a most formidable, trained armed force of citizens. What we, as that armed force of Constitutionally-oriented citizens need is support from the great mass of citizens who, for various reasons, may not be able, trained or comfortable in taking up arms against tyranny. We’ll need all manner of logistical support: food, fuel, lubricants, cleaning supplies, ammunition, places to hide, vehicles, potable water, batteries, radios, intelligence reports, various means of daily subverting the aims of a tyrannical, controlling power, and so much more. If you’re not trained now, Jenna, start getting trained. If you’re not comfortable with that, start organizing others of like mind toward the aim of supporting those who may be laying down their lives in payment for your liberties and those of generations to come.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • Terry Hamblin

            You may be right jenna, but after reading drawer22s post, I think he is right, having been in the submarine service for 11 years myself, and don’t forget the hunters, there are millions more than there are LEOs. One of the big problems is that many people are talking, ie. doing nothing, and many more people have no idea that anything is wrong other than they can’t get a job!

          • Drawer22

            @Terry Hamblin – Thank you for your service, my brother-at-arms, and WELCOME HOME from being where you didn’t know you were!

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Terry Hamblin

            Thanks bro, congrats for your service. Yer right, no windows on them things!

      • kathy

        If the gubmint wanted your guns they’d have them already you morons.

        • wdcraftr

          I hope you are Not that blind to the scriptures, and the Love of Jesus Christ? They tell you Not to be Deceived.. Or maybe you will be First in line for the Mark of the Beast?

          • kathy

            Pretty sure that I just heard Jesus Christ speaking to me. He told me that your day pass was up at the institution and you should get back there ASAP for you meds.

          • jenna

            THAT wasn’t JESUS that was SATAN!

          • Drawer22

            @jenna – You’re a firecracker, girl! Glad you’re on our side!

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          • al sowins

            What is your rank in the Feminazi Brigade?

        • michaelcain

          they want to look like it is gradule so that they are in the act longb before they are seen as the bad guys.

          • kathy

            Were you having these delusions when you should have been studying English and grammar?

          • Drawer22

            @kathy – ‘Twould be best were the pot to refrain from calling the kettle black.

            De Oppresso Liber

        • jenna

          Well moron why do you think OBAMA is doing all he is to take away our rights and ban the use of certain guns? IF he can get a few banned that is the first step to taking them all away. HE is writing his own laws sounds like to me you don’;t care about your freedom. You will when you are in an interment camp or in his agenda 21 housing where you won’t have ANY freedom. Then it will be too little too late and one day you will wake up and say ” I was so stupid to not listen to all those people who tried to tell me” WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

          • Drawer22

            @jenna – And yet still, I’d bet you’d be right their with me when we liberate her from her “benefactors,” wouldn’t you? That’s how highly people like us regard the freedoms even “kathy” should have.

            De Oppresso Liber

      • SILVER TRAVELER

        The age old saying still rules: “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people!” I wouldn’t fell the least bit uneasy eating in a restaurant like this! I would feel quite safe and enjoy the environment! There are many unstable, incompetent people out there who should NEVER be allowed to carry a handgun! We have to trust that the vetting procedure identifies them, and weeds them out! THEY have failed in some cases!

  • Mark Clemens

    “Those willing to give up their civil liberties in the name of freedom, or personal comforts deserve neither” -Benjamin Franklin.
    Freedom is a two way street. If you don’t like guns with your grits, don’t have breakfast at Shooters. It’s just that simple.

    • Combatvet52

      It is very simple do you think it will sink into some loose brains.

      • Mark Clemens

        Just like a Strip Club. If nudity offends you, don’t walk through the door. If guns offend you, try some other country. We are only one of 6 nations globally who allow citizens to own privet fire arms. It pisses off the UN none of the 6 are willing to disarm it’s populations.
        To bad so sad, the UN is mad……

        • Combatvet52

          Screw the UN

          • michaelcain

            the U N needs tothey are an expence that the U S can do without be dis banned. they are instigators of things just to show that they are needed .they are an expense that the U S can do withoutmost of the advisors are from troubled countries.

          • Ddenney1

            About 70% Moslem!!

          • al sowins

            I’m not up for that, its ugly and filthy and a whore.

          • Combatvet52

            Wow you nailed them.

          • don

            agreed…we could use the UN building and it’s grounds, in NYC for hospitals, libraries, homeless shelters, public schools…something useful.

            UN=Useless Negotiators

          • Ddenney1

            Unfortunately The Rockefeller family GAVE them the property because they are the first family of the
            OWO because of course they think they will be exempt from the screwing that’s coming!!!

          • omegaman

            Combatvet52– “Best” thought since 1945.

          • Kenny Coffman

            I agree. The U.N. is a worthless waste of space, time, money and oxygen. Screw ’em.

          • Combatvet52

            We can use that UN building NY for more important things than the UN BS

          • Bob West

            like the Obama library…. keep it out of chicago

          • al.k

            Why not just drowned in obamas piss??

          • greenjavlin

            Don’t do that you’ll get a incurable disease.

          • Combatvet52

            You have a good point

          • yaki534

            Get the US OUT of the UN and the UN OUT of the US.

          • Combatvet52

            Absolutely

          • Phyllis

            Unfortunately Combatvet52, it will be the UN screwing us as Obama turns over the rights of the american citizens to the UN..and it is coming..and not far off..if that currency change takes place in October..even I am afraid of that one..you will not be able to buy or sell with credit card or cash…smacks of the MARK..and for those of you who don’t read your bible, the number is not 666..it says it is 600,three score, and six..which would look like this,,600-60-06..more computer looking now isn’t it?…it will be the UN who confiscates your guns and will most likely be militia who come and take them away from you…My uncles who fought in WW2 and my grandfather in WW1 must be rolling over in their graves and speaking of graves, how about the removal of soldiers from their resting places because they no longer have living relatives..God have mercy on this nation and what is coming…but in the meantime Vet 52, thank you for serving our country and for speaking up now on comment pages.

          • Combatvet52

            You’re quite welcomed, all i can say they can try and i will not go down without fighting for my rights,
            those who walk over my door saddle unwanted and don’t belong on my property look out for the flash.

          • Rhodes

            The UN is the ABSOLUTE Worst organization EVER Created!!!

          • Combatvet52

            I agree 100% and so is the IRS

        • jetmagnet

          Owning firearms is fine, acting like an a$$hole about it is entirely different.

          • Mark Clemens

            ……So what country are you moving to? What happened to you? I was in Bolder, never heard from you.

          • Oldlady25

            which of you is the a**hole?

          • OCDiver

            Having and voicing an opinion is fine as well, using that voice and opinion to strip people of a God given Constitutional right is dead wrong!! If a person can’t stand or is afraid of guns then they need to pack their bags and leave America to Americans.

          • jetmagnet

            Well if you think the second amendment is pure your wrong. 1876), the Supreme Court of the United States
            ruled that, “The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution;
            neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its
            existence” and limited the applicability of the Second Amendment to the
            federal government.[9] In United States v. Miller
            (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the
            states could limit any weapon types not having a “reasonable
            relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated
            militia”. So it wasn’t in the original constitution as far as individuals until 2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision, expressly holding the amendment to protect an individual right to possess and carry firearms.
            If a person can’t stand either the 1st amendment or the fourteenth like you sir, you should definitey leave the country! lmao!

          • OCDiver

            I never said it was pure, never even implied it. But it does say that our right “shall not be infringed upon” so the Supreme Court got it wrong on that one!!

          • jetmagnet

            Your saying if people can’t stand guns or is afraid of guns they should pack their bags and leave this country, that’s a violation of those people’s constitutional rights sir. You are either for the constitution or against sir,which is it????

          • OCDiver

            I could ask the same of you, I’m obviously for the constitution as I’m continually defending the first and second amendments with you. as for my statement that means that if they fear guns they can pack their bags and move to a country that has banned private ownership of guns that way they can feel safe, any other questions for me??

          • jetmagnet

            Answer the question, don’t weasel out of it like most baggers (they do it all the time)

          • OCDiver

            Seriously?? Wow!!! Try reading the second sentence of my statement ya ignorant wretch!!! Now try telling me to quit avoiding the question!!! The libs are the ones that refuse to answer a direct question!! Your argument as well as all of your other statements are totally off base and invalid!! Troll someone else oh ignorant one!!

          • jetmagnet

            Fruitcake with extra nuts! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Baggers can’t answer questions, because they have no answer, hence you answer with another question or something irrelivant. What’s does a lib have to do with it? People are people. except fruitcakes, they where an experiment derived from the Koch bros.
            It was like the old movie “The body snatchers” A human fell asleep and a Bagger pod was placed next to him and replaced him with Koch alien robot stamped “Approved by Faux News” LMAO, you all walk the same path, have the same masters and follow like robots each one a part of the “collective” it’s amazing to watch from the outside.
            Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio Republicans:
            These are one of the angriest groups of Republicans. They watch Fox News or listen to Conservative Talk Radio and they think it makes them an expert on politics. The only knowledge they have of politics is parroted talking points without any facts to back them up. When you defeat them in debate they will resort to calling you names like “Liberal,” “commie,” “socialist” or “baby-killer” etc. They think all liberals are socialists that want to take their money and give it to people who don’t deserve it.

            The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:
            They have no idea what they are talking about. Usually they’re just repeating things they have heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. They think that liberals want to take away their freedoms and they clearly don’t know what the word “liberal” means, or what liberals have done for our country and freedom. They think President Obama is comparable to Hitler for passing health-care reform.

          • OCDiver

            Once again all you do is prove my point of your ignorance! I changed nothing and answered your question fully, but you’re to obtuse to accept the facts. I’m not with the Tea party since all you want to do is call me a bagger, you’re the one that’s nuttier than a fruit cake and you’re nothing but a lying troll. You speak much but say nothing relevant! You are the one that has no answers to questions put before you. I have avoided no questions, it isn’t my fault you can’t read a full statement and find the answers even when they’re right in front of your ignorant nose!! You’re full of nothing but false accusations inuendo and bullshit laugh all you want but anyone following this conversation can plainly see that you are the asshole troll

          • jetmagnet

            You’re easy to manipulate. Your saying if people can’t stand guns or is afraid of guns they should
            pack their bags and leave this country, that’s a violation of those
            people’s constitutional rights sir. You are either for the constitution
            or against sir,which is it???? NO answer LOL

          • OCDiver

            The answer is there you dumb ass it’s the second sentence of the response just like I told you ya moron fruit cake piece of shit!!!

            “Obviously I support the constitution as I’m continually defending the first and second amendments with you”

            Go back and read it again for yourself you ignorant moron piece of shit troll

            The answer was there the whole time right in front of your blind obtuse eyes!!

          • jetmagnet

            The problem is you’re a loser, in a losing situation and the constitution to you is not a document, but a “crutch” you peeps are pathetic humans. Incapable of morals, class or dignity. You can’t answer the question because your a hyprocrite!Telling americans they should pack their bags and leave because they don’t agree with your bullshit , that’s anti-american and goes against the constitution lol

          • OCDiver

            Wrong again dumb shit as usual!
            Where I defend the constitutional rights of free speech and gun toting Americans and tell others if they can’t handle the truth and can’t feel safe …. Those are the one that should pack up and go someplace they can feel safe. Only losers resort to calling others losers. And only liberals spin the words and meanings in a vain attempt to make themselves appear to others as the intelligent ones. I’ve spun nothing, I’ve defended the First and Second Amemdments through out this entire conversation. You are the one using the Constitution as a crutch and hiding behind the First Amendment. All you want to do is flap your lips trying to sound profound and failing miserably. The constitution is only parchment in your eyes not mine. The Constitution is representative to the Country founded on Judeo Christian beliefs set forth by our ancestors in an attempt to give us a better place to live out our lives. It’s only paper to you because all you want to do is agree with people who try to take the rights of others away from them, you mock people who freely and openly exercise their rights to keep and bear arms. And for the record I don’t carry at all unless I’m trying to provide food for my family I have a conceal carry permit but I don’t carry it isn’t necessary but I will not mock or ridicule those who choose to carry, I will defend their rights because I believe in the Constitution you obviously don’t or you wouldn’t keep spinning the meanings of my words trying to use them against me

          • jetmagnet

            Blabla bla horseshit! Another fruitcake with a gun. We see it all the time..they have a fight with the wife ..shoot her then blow the kids away and then commit suicide, while touting the constitution and going to church every sunday.
            Mock people? Your off your rocker you clown.. you can’t Fckn READ.The conversation was about assholes who carry openly in restaurants and wallmart to show what a BAD ass they are.
            Get a pair of fckg glasses or learn to understand what people write.

          • OCDiver

            You’re the one that needs glasses and needs to learn how to read and pay attention to what you’re reading moron!! I was totally responding to open carry. You’re the one that left the issue starting an argument. As for your spinning the truth about people with guns and mental issues, those are the same people that I and others like me are saying, you’ve made our point!! Those people should never be allowed to purchase guns, they should also be put into institutions until proven to be of sound mind and no longer a threat to society, pinheads like you make it too easy for them to commit the horrible atrocities that they commit and then blame the tool used instead of the real problem …… mental diseases and disorders!! Go back to school and learn how to do your own research instead of relying on chickenlittle’s that fear and have no understanding of guns! You’re the clown! (as depicted by your picture) you’re by far the one that chooses to mock and ridicule people, but you’re to ignorant to see what your actions are and how others perceive you.

          • jetmagnet

            I think self centered peeps like yourself are bigots and belong in a Fascist dictatorship where you can tell people what you think they should do if they don’t agree with you. The constitution has nothing to do with christian beliefs, the founders made that very clear. Conservatives whipe the constitution with their ass and then slap people in the face with it. They are also not patriots, more like fanatical fascist nazi’s. In fact neo-nazi’s , skin heads and the KKK are all rightwing groups. Timothy McVeigh was a rightwinger. the american terrorist.
            You can talk constitution all you want, but your just another freakin nazi to me.
            We all have guns fella, I’m a weapons expert and teach advanced weapons classes, and special tactics for those willing to pay my price and I have a gun range.
            I don’t like people waving their shit in my face and telling me or anyone to leave , because they Have rights that no one else has. A maggot on the street has more rights than you.

          • OCDiver

            Seriously?!?!
            This argument is over 5 months old!! You really are a pathetic loser to have to dredge up old arguments in order to make yourself feel relevant!
            Guns have been in this country since the early 17th century, good luck getting them vanquished now moron. Only a fascist would want to strip people of their constitutional rights. Would you be as willing to give up your freedom of speech in the same manner with which you demand others give up their freedom to keep and bear arms?? Bet you wouldn’t in fact I’m quite certain you wouldn’t!! If you hate guns and the people who keep and carry them here in the US then why don’t you pack your moronic thinkso’s up and move to a country where guns are already banned? Timothy McVeigh, the KKK, nazis, skinheads and all the others you’ve named are also just as moronic as you are and don’t deserve any further mention as far as I’m concerned. And as far as people “waving their shit” in your face ….. what a pathetic hypocrite you are!! What the hell do you call what you’re doing to me in a 5 month old argument?? Get a life you pathetic lame-brained lib/soc troll!!

          • Mark Clemens

            You know you shouldn’t argue w/a fool in public. It’s hard for on lookers to distinguish between the two…….

          • Dale Hamilton

            You couldn’t win a debate if your ignorant life depended on it. Obama is the worse lying President we have ever had. Transparency????? Are you that ignorant? He is beginning to approach Hitler’s status. Wake up man or what ever you are. Secret meetings Muslims? He is one of the biggest Muslim Sympathizers in the world.

          • jetmagnet

            I’m an independent so i don’t listen to propaganda mean’t for subhumans with shit for brains, who believe in the fucking tooth fairy, because Fox and FRUITCAKES says so. I’m my own person, own my own brain and read and research the facts and determine who’s bullshiting the public- it’s rightwing media 100% lies. I spent years in the intelligence community and worked for three presidents. Obama is a great president-without question. He’s helped millions of americans, without a congress, that frankly spent 6 years working on regaining power by bashing democrats and obama. It’s politics and mostly bullshit. They got you ignorant morons just where they want you , by the balls. You’re probably are so fucking brainwashed you can’t have a normal day without watching or reading something negative to bolster your cynicism about obama or those liberals (enemy).
            You know nothing of what your own party is doing to SCREW you because they have you trained away from what they and the billionaires that own their asses are doing to america.
            They found a way to fuse human brains to rats and make them think liberals assholes are cheese.

          • Dale Hamilton

            I’m an Independent too. I can tell by your filthy language that you had no moral upbringing. I am probably your age or older. Just turned 70. Obama is a liar just like you. That is an indisputable fact. Don’t even reply to this. Your ignorant brains and filthy mouth are not even worth any one on this forum replying to. Have a good day sir.

          • omegaman

            OCDriver — I just want to know “exactly” how you’re defending these rights: be specific.

          • OCDiver

            not you too!! try reading all of my posts!! they really are self explanatory!!

          • Kenny Coffman

            Another Lib avoiding the question. Another paid troll to initiate an argument.

          • OCDiver

            yup!! but sometimes I just can’t help myself and fall into their trap. Pisses me off I get that weak! A little too passionate in my beliefs I guess.

          • omegaman

            HUH????????????

          • getmeouttaky

            You do understand that amendments are voted on, ratified if enough vote for, not ratified if not enough vote for, can be voted to be removed, can be modified, etc. I do not understand how you can call it a god given right. It’s a right bestowed by a “democracy” or more correctly a republic. The people vote one way or another, either through elected individuals, or in some occasions a direct vote. I, while I enjoy target practice, do not allow guns in my house, nor do I think they belong in public facing businesses. I served in the USNavy, my husband retired from the US Marine Corp and both his father and my father served in the US Navy, additionally, ancestors have served on both the Union and Confederate side. How dare you tell me to move to another country because my beliefs are not the same as yours.

          • OCDiver

            I thank you so much for your and your husbands service ma’am, I can’t stress to you how much I truly do appreciate your sacrifices and how glad I am that you two are among the survivors; I grieve for the families that have lost loved ones in all of our conflicts abroad, including your loss of friends and brothers & sisters in arms.
            Yes, I do know about the amendments and how they are voted for, or against and ratified or not based upon those votes. Except for the 1st through the 10th, they are permanent, irrevocable and unchangeable, they are The Bill of Rights, that includes our God given 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
            As for my statement about them being God given. The faith that I live and have believed and followed my entire life tells me, that ALL things are under God’s control. The best way I can sum it up is with a question that one of my History teachers in High School asked the class that started a 5 day debate amongst the students. “How can a ragtag army go up against and defeat a world power? The Colonial army was out manned, out gunned and out supplied by the British army. So how were we able to defeat them, and gain our independence from the King?”. By Fri. just before the bell rang at the end of class my teacher called me out. He said “(my full name), you haven’t contributed one syllable to this entire debate all week, why is that?” so I told him that I was “just enjoying listening to everyone squabble all week and still not come up with the correct answer.” he asked “Is there one correct answer to my question?” I said “Yes sir, there is, but you all and the ACLU kicked that answer out of schools back in the ’70s so I can’t say.” and walked out of the class room just as the bell rang. Much to my surprise the following Mon. nobody challenged me on my response and the subject was never brought up again. But here today I will tell you what that one correct answer is.
            If God had not wanted our forefathers to have a country where they could worship him the way they and he wanted them to worship him, free from tyranny, oppression and persecution. Then, ma’am, with all due respect to our military ….. there is no way in Hades he would have allowed us to defeat the worlds greatest military up to that point in time. But he did, so they did, and now we can (or we’re supposed to be able to anyway), even to this day worship God with out fear of persecution and in any way that we chose to. So that is how I can honestly say that our Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and Constitution of the United States of America, are all God given.
            May God continually bless and keep this great nation of ours as free as it was the day he originally gave it to us, and may he bless and keep you, your husband, all of our vets and comfort the loss of our loved ones.
            With all sincerity and humbleness in my heart,
            Thank you again for your service ma’am; and thank you for allowing me the opportunity to express to you how I believe our rights are a gift from God that we should never take for granted.

          • OCDiver

            And as for my “telling you to get out of the country” you misinterpreted my statement as it was directed at people who fear or dislike guns, I was telling those people to go to a country were private ownership of guns is already banned. You and your husband having served this great nation in the military obviously are not included in that statement. The Civil War was fought in part to end slavery, much like when God made Moses lead the Hebrews (Jews) out of their bondage from Egypt (another example of God given equality).

          • OCDiver

            I never would tell someone to leave for their beliefs, it was directed at people who “fear or dislike guns” you served in the military, you have my deepest and most humble respect ma’am. People who want to take my gun rights from me because of fear or disdain should leave for a country where they don’t have that fear or disdain to worry about

          • Barbara Necker

            I don’t see the need for anyone to flaunt their guns; “gun rights” don’t mean that gun owners should trample on the rights of folks who do not carry guns around. These things don’t belong in restaurants, banks, supermarkets, churches or department stores. Save them for the firing range, please.

          • Ddenney1

            Which allowed government to SALE licenses for a cut of the action!! If you read the amendment it doesn’t say that . it’s like USING the first to say separation of church and state it doesn’t say that but at a time when the court was more liberal even than today and pressure from the left met with little resistance allowed that to happen Art 5 could also repair that but it is hard so it will not get done!

          • getmeouttaky

            It’s not a god given Constitutional right. Man created this “right” and as in all amendments it can be changed or removed or left as is. The constitution is not a bible, which by the way has been changed regularly too.

          • Mark Clemens

            You are right attitude is everything with guns & The Peoples perception.

          • Drawer22

            WARNING! This is the way jetmagnet starts ─ almost as if he’s a law-abiding, reasonable, American citizen. In reality, he’s a LIBERAL TROLL.

            BEWARE!

        • fsa0033

          Our own non-president is trying to change that. Can’t wait to get a real American back in the seat. Hopefully a Christian one instead of a Muslim one that we have now.

          • Mark Clemens

            ……..but it’s for our own good!
            We can’t have regular people deciding if they want Cigarettes, Weed, Booze, Guns, Abortions, Strip Clubs, Sugar, etc

          • Mark Clemens

            I hope so to, but have you noticed how our presidents morals keep downgrading with every president. I mean the present one is always worse than the one before. I honestly thought we hit a all time low with Bush Jr. I’m afraid to see what the parties will put up in 2016.

          • al sowins

            A guy who thinks he is going to become God and his Tonto, a chameleon weasel socialist; Hillary Dillary Dork and her latest significan other moslem girl.

          • omegaman

            Mark — How do you like living life as a moron?

          • Mark Clemens

            I don’t know, haven’t tried it yet. I’m waiting to see how it works out for you first, since your all ready there…..

          • tinkerunique

            It would be nice IF there was SOMEBODY like a PAST president that ALSO was a war hero like JFK, who was NOT afraid of guns. I have saved a past post of a “Terrorist with an assault weapon”. It’s a pic of JFK in the Oval Office holding an M-16, that was (at that time) the NEW carbine for the US servicemen. ( In the day), I have seen a ‘clip’ of JFK shooting the M-16 and the, “That was good” smile after. The AR-15 is a legal hunting gun in many states, and some call it an assault weapon because it “LOOKS military”. TRUE assault weapons are like the machine guns ordered for the Dept. of Agriculture in .40 caliber – – part of 0’bummer’s Army ???

          • Mark Clemens

            I thought all presidents until Clinton had some kind of military service. These last 3 have been the Pits!

          • tinkerunique

            Military service is NOT a requirement, but some of our past presidents have served. The current POTUS has done his best to weaken our military, AND this country. NEVER before have we had a president that refuses to salute the flag, purges the military of senior ranking officers that have served in combat, demanded “the people” partake in a government-mandated health-care program, and allowed millions of illegals to get blanket “amnesty/benefits” when true Americans have less.

          • Jim_Macklin

            JFK was a Life Member of the NRA. He liked guns and the National Rifle Association. A cynic might try to say he paid his dues to the NRA just to get votes.
            Open carry is legal in Kansas and many places encourage carry. One such is WHEN PIGS FLY on Central at Ridge Road in Wichita.
            If you’re alone, open carry can make you a target for a thief who might just want your gun. Since you can’t draw and fire on someone just because they go close, open carry works best when there are several in your group, you can watch each others’ back..
            Kansas is about to pass a constitutional carry law, lie Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming, and like Vermont has always had, carry openly or concealed without a license or permit.

          • Phyllis

            after reading your comment I tried to visualize obama in a uniform fighting for our country…I have a vivid imagination and my mind can’t wrap itself around that one…if we were talking football team members, he would have to compete to be the waterboy.

          • tinkerunique

            I understand your thought. COMPLETELY. The only problem with that idea, he’s TOOO wimpy to carry the ice bucket. The only thin he seems able to swing is a golf club, and I hear that he’s not too good at that. But, you have to give him credit, a golf club IS light weight.

          • getmeouttaky

            Legally elected, christian president. Don’t you get tired of being so stupid?

          • fsa0033

            Not stupid, just not blinded. Sealing up documents, individuals die mysteriously, and most of all anyone believing this president is Christian is stupid. So what are you saying?

          • Susiev

            Amen!!

          • sandman56

            Push for Ben Carson! Want someone that will exercise true faith? He would be head and shoulders above the rest! We must push for Ben Carson! 2016….

        • supergun

          Piss on the un

        • don

          very well said…

          the average citizen does not seem to understand that if our gun rights are taken…all other rights will follow shortly thereafter…

        • Ddenney1

          I wonder why the Un and the Demon Rats want us to give up our weapons!! Might it be the communist way????

        • getmeouttaky

          Who are the other five nations? Are they first world or third world or worse?

        • Blogengeezer

          The UN (under Butrous-Butros Ghali) armed the Hutu’s, their preferred culture (Muslims) against the ‘anti-gun’ factions disarmed, Tutsi (Christians) in Rwanda. The well armed Hutu, wielding 31,000 machetes, slaughtered over a million Tutsis and also used their machetes (31,000 of them) to rape, torture, then mutilate sexually, the female Tutsis.

          All rabidly accomplished while the liberal leftist ‘Progressive’ anti-gun world of George Soros, quietly ignored the atrocities. Ready for the ‘anti-gun’ UN to take the sovereignty (with gleeful appreciation of Barack Hussein Obama) from the USA? How about them Machetes. So safe and definitely not scary guns…

      • jetmagnet

        Is it true people that carry guns around have tiny balls and it makes them feel Macho? I’m a gun owner, and range owner, but some of this stuff is freakin silly. There’s gun owners and lovers , then there’s gun fruitcakes that should move, because they’re messing it up for every sane gun owner.

        • Combatvet52

          I know what your saying exactly when i was an instructor there where many that acted like a$$holes they felt macho well i convinced most of them to get off that BS.

        • al sowins

          Can’t speak for anyone else, and I haven’t been interested in determining the size of the testicles of my buddies, but I toted guns in Korea and Vietnam and for 42 years in law enforcement and felt about as macho without them as with them. Maybe not as safe without. You carry guns around a lot, so you should know the answer to your question. My favorite is my SW Governor, which shoots .45acp, .45 long colt, and 410 shotgun shells. Weighs only 2 lbs can be carried concealed, 23/4″ bbl and deadly at 25 yds; effective at 50; 6rd capacity, any mix of the above calibers.. She is big and ugy and so has a powerful deterrent effect. Nice one will cost 700-1100 but she’s worth it.

          • jetmagnet

            I was an Intelligence Operative and you can’t always carry a gun, so you have to rely on your training and your brain to stay alive. There’s nothing like being able to defend yourself or escape dangerous situations. carrying a gun will not keep you from getting killed I can assure you of that lol. I was in nam and I never stopped training on various weapons and i consider myself a well rounded expert on weapons and my fave is the M21 sniper rifle . I have a huge collection. I don’t go around like an a$$hole showing off my guns like some of these clowns. No one needs to know what i’m carrying or what i’m capable of doing. These guys are freakin embarrassing. It’s like having a 14′ dick you can keep it in your pants and just bring it out when the girls get horny, or in their case wave and sling it around in public to show off.

          • al sowins

            Perhaps one of the advantages of carrying concealed is that no one knows you are doing so,. Good to meet you.

          • jetmagnet

            Good to meet you also. Exactly, If you carry openly then you’ve already given away the element of suprise and give a would be assailant or criminal a heads up. In any situation in combat etc, you want to eliminate Known threats first. That means people that are armed and show their weapons.

          • Oldlady25

            interesting analogy…

          • tinkerunique

            Soundz good – where did U get the extension ?

          • OCDiver

            Spoken like a true asshole!! I don’t believe a word of your “intelligence officer” story, as your posting shows no true intelligence at all.

          • jetmagnet

            Instead of conceding the obvious, baggers have no recourse but to attack! You peeps are hilarious!

          • OCDiver

            If you think that’s an attack …… you’re more pathetic than a liberal

          • jetmagnet

            So you have a mental problem? I can understand that.

          • OCDiver

            absolutely not ….. with you’re responses I’d say that you’re the one that’s mental

          • jetmagnet

            Hey douchebag, the topic’s about guns, not politics. I’m an independent and think all politics suck, Politicians Blow , ok? liberals, conservatives… it just depends which dick you’re sucking on. You fruitcakes on the right have your own bitch session with Potus not me. I hate teabags, they suck! their politics suck! This is about guns and people who like them…you don’t have to be a rightwing fruitcake to like them anyone one with freakin brain could understand that but a Teabag!

          • OCDiver

            So now who’s attacking and name calling?? this issue isn’t JUST about guns!! It’s also about the political attack from the left about gun control and the effects it would have on law abiding citizens (you included). And thank you so very much for making my point about being mental. Your tirade just sealed my point. I’m not a right wing fruit cake as you so dearly love to call them. I’m a God fearing American that refuses to surrender ANY of my Constitutional rights to the socialists and liberals that are hell bent on destroying this great nation of ours. If you think that all politics suck then you need to keep your opinions to yourself and quit chiming in on issues that you obviously know nothing and care little about. I do care about guns, I was born and raised with them in the home and taught at a very young age how to respect and use them accordingly. Only people who fear them want to destroy our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

          • jetmagnet

            Political attack??? says who??? You live on the fence of paranoia, Too much theocratic indoctrination by the fruitcake media who lies constantly. It’s all about money, not about rights. I have no fear Of Obama or anyone taking anything away from me, because i don’t listen to bullshit media unless it’s NPR.
            The gun lobby promotes this horsemanuer to make money. The politicians do it for money. If you want to be the tail that wags the dog be my guest. “He who falls for anything stands for Nothing”

          • OCDiver

            I’m no where near paranoia, all you can do is keep babbling like a brook that makes noise but not much use for anything else and as for NPR …. that’s all they spew is ignorant inane bull shit

          • jetmagnet

            Yeah real news might make you intelligent, LMAO!

          • OCDiver

            If you’re measuring intelligence by yourself this country is in serious trouble. NPR is so full liberal spin it’s disgusting!! Even fired Juan Williams for voicing an opinion that went against their doctrine

          • Drawer22

            @OCDiver – Without speaking to the topic at hand, I’d remind you that an “Intelligence Operative” and an “intelligence officer” may well be two different kinds of animals.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • OCDiver

            Yeah I believe you’re correct on that one. But the fact is, I still disbelieve he had anything to do with the intelligence corp.
            I think he’s nothing more than a lying troll, he backs up nothing he says with fact and all he wants to do sling names and inuendo whenever confronted with the true facts of an issue. All the same, thank you for pointing out my mistake and helping me see my error

          • Drawer22

            @OCDiver – If jetmagnet answers my questions (above), we’ll have a better idea of in what capacity, if at all, he may have served. In the meantime, I’m inclined toward believing you’re right.

            You’re welcome, and if you see any errors or potential misunderstandings in what I write, please feel free to let me know. Life is a learning curve!

            De Oppresso Liber

          • OCDiver

            Will do my friend, and just to make sure anyone else reading this doesn’t misunderstand me …. I personally never said he wasn’t one just that I disbelieve his claim.
            Unless I’m misreading your questions to him you strike me as someone who really has been there and I thank you for your service. If you weren’t ……. thank you for paying attention and asking informed questions!!

          • Drawer22

            @OCDiver – Yes ─ been there, done that, twice, voluntarily, having served both in enlisted and commissioned ranks (known as a “mustang,” the unit crest and sign off here indicating those with whom I served), so my gratitude for your thanks is deeply felt, and you’re quite welcome, my friend.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • OCDiver

            I sure wish I could’ve been there with you all!
            My most sincere thanks go out to you and all who’ve so gallantly served our great nation defending our Constitution and way of life. As well as my sympathy to the families and survivors of the ones who never made it home.

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with your perspective(s) on how I should carry, I’d like to welcome you home properly: What numeric/alpha-numeric occupational specialty in which branch of the Armed Forces did you serve? What unit(s), when, and where in The ‘Nam? At what address(es) did you receive mail? What rank(s) were you then?

            De Oppresso Liber

        • OCDiver

          What part of the 2nd Amendment are you totally missing??? What makes you think that people that carry have tiny balls??? What makes you think that anyone that loves, owns, and carries guns should ever be a patron in your store now??? You calling people “gunfruitcakes” goes to show that you are one of the people that need to move and leave America to Americans!!

          • jetmagnet

            You’re either a serious gun owner, a political fruitcake. a collector or just enjoy the sport. My beef is with people who go beyond what is considered tactful. like walking into wallmart with an AK47. Ho wdo I know that guy isn’t going to go on a shooting rampage? Figure it out fella.

          • OCDiver

            Considered tactful???? Seriously??? They still have that right to open carry like that ….. you need to “figure it out fella”!!! I’m a serious American!! If you don’t want to see open carry stay at home!! Or be prepared to defend yourself by either open carry or concealed carry your choice. My “beef” is with the liberal idiot law makers that go after my constitutional rights instead of locking mental nut cases up in an institution where they belong; making it impossible for them to get there hands on a gun and doing harm to our children in the schools etc.. And as for not knowing if an AK-47 toting person entering a Wal-Mart (as opposed to a wallmart) is going on a rampage or not …… nobody will know that until the first shot is fired, so again … either stay at home, be prepared to defend yourself and others by either open or concealed carry, or take cover until it’s all over. Plain pure and simple!!

          • jetmagnet

            Another bigmouth Fruitcake, apparently you have tiny balls and need to show off your gun to prove you have any! Blablabla

          • OCDiver

            ROTFLMBO!!! you have all of this to say about no respect, lack of knowledge, tiny balls, blah blah blah and yet that is all you’re doing ….. disrespecting others rights to keep and bear arms, voice our opinions etc.. your picture is that of a clown and you call others clowns, fruitcakes etc.. everything you post demonstrates a lack of knowledge, you have no facts to support your case. You give your self away as a liberal democrat on a trolling expedition!! when confronted with the truth and facts all you can do is throw out insults and innuendo, just like the liberal democrats.

          • jetmagnet

            What? I never said anything about people’s rights to bear arms, the trouble with fruitcakes is they go off into other galaxies. I thought your were nuts now you’re proving it. Bla bla bla garbage!
            You want a political fight. Arguing with rightwingies is like arguing with a doorknob.
            I don’t care about your political opinions…you left the planet on gun rights and you are now just blabbering. LOL

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – Au contraire! You DID say quite a bit about the People’s rights to bear arms, betraying your unConstitutional stance when noting that arms should not be borne openly. As long as liberty exists, the right to bear arms in one’s manner of choice is the hallmark of freedom. Having carried openly as well as concealed, on duty and off, I reserve the right to carry in the best manner befitting the circumstances as I evaluate them.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • jetmagnet

            Where does it say in the constitution about bearing arms openly? Why can’t we go bare ass in public while your at it? Well you can’t in most states so live with it or stay in your rathole

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet:disqus – You’re right, and by this most recent post of yours, we would agree, for the Constitution of the United States of America posts no limitations on how firearms owners bear arms, be that openly or concealed. As to your desire to “… go bare ass in public …,” you’ll likely draw more laughs than outrage, and an arrest to boot, for nowhere in the Constitution of the United States of America is any such right affirmed.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Kenny Coffman

            Exactly.

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – As you mention military service, might I inquire of yours? (Please feel free to include naval service, if that relates to you.)

            De Oppresso Liber

          • jetmagnet

            No, My service is classified, on a need to know basis. I don’t discuss it period.

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet:disqus – Of COURSE the service you never gave is “classified!” Haha! That’s pretty much what all poseurs say when questioned. By the way, your file is “sealed” by the same token.

            You have just been exposed as a FRAUD, having previously been exposed as a TROLL. Your tactics are those most often used by lying liberals. (I realize that’s redundant.)

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • jetmagnet

            You must have tiny balls and like to show off your gun and your little insignia. No class and no balls. It’s typical from fruitcakes with no balls, they like to draw you out and try to get you to expose something about your service, I never do this. I know what comes next…too smart for you lowlifes.
            People who serve with dignity don’t go around bragging about it..only scumbags! lol

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet:disqus – Like the majority of liberals, you avoid facts and logic, relying instead on vulgarity. The claim you make that your “service” (which you never had) is “classified” and “sealed” exposes you as the TROLLING FRAUD you are. (By the way, FOUO doesn’t qualify as a form of classification, so you lose on that score, as well.) If your delusions serve you well, keep them, but do not expect intelligent and experienced people to believe the falsehoods you spout so (Here it comes!) liberally!

            If the truthful résumés of others qualifies as “bragging,” then there are many braggarts well before me. If you have ever filled out a job application (which is doubtful) or submitted a résumé for a position you wanted (other than grabbing your ankles), then you were “bragging” much like me, though I have put very little in writing here. Scumbags? I’ve arrested many; it is my loss that you were not on my beat.

            As for your “gun,” expose yourself to your heart’s content until arrested. As for my firearms, in accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America and its Amendments, I shall carry/bear them in any responsible manner I see as fitting the situation. (With any luck, you and other anti-Constitutionalists will be carrying bullseyes downrange. As I have the option of shooting ball ammo, you can judge firsthand whether I have balls ─ one at a time!)

            Inasmuch as you have nothing of substance to contribute to this conversation ─ and even if you did, it obviously would be littered with vulgarities! ─ I leave you to think you’ve pulled the wool over someone else’s eyes, and you don’t even know it is only you that you’re fooling!

            De Oppresso Liber

          • jetmagnet

            So far you haven’t contributed anything but irrelivant ranting. Your afraid of me, most people with no brains are. Your whole posture is both defensive and ludicrous. Look at your damn post and tell me WTF you’ve said that’s either Correct or infomative. It’s more like you’re either possessed or obsessed with the constitution , a document written more than 200 yrs ago. It’s people like you that destroy the second amendment , twist it so it suits theocracy and tiny ego and you’re afraid you’ll lose your manhood if someone takes your gun. Most people who brag about guns are Fat and out of shape, you take their gun away and they’re defenseless. Grow a set fella, and quit attacking someone that has more tough guys in his gun club than whimps and wannabe’s. I like animals in my club that don’t believe in fruitcake fairies that are going to come in the night and snatch their guns. They don’t walk around town showing off their guns to act like their a badazz or some nonsense. We take pride and we know what we’re capable of , no need to prove anything.

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – There, there, little girl. Don’t get your panties in a wad. Calm down. Breathe…! (Ok, in your case, more specific direction is needed: Breathe in; breathe out. Repeat.)

            I shall do you the courtesy of responding, not only to your incorrect, ungrammatical and misspelled posting, but to the errors inherent in the text ─ though not to your errors of opinion.

            Having totally accomplished what I stated in the in the above paragraph that I would, I leave you to drown in your own false sense of self-aggrandizement.

            De Oppresso Liber

            PS ─ I’m STILL laughing at being “afraid” of you! That was REALLY funny! What a great way to mix humor with liberal misconception. (That was too kind. Substitute “misconception” for “lies” and it’s then a more truthful statement.)

            Now, ask your mommy for some warm milk, and she might even sing you to sleep with an an off-color lullaby. Don’t let her bugs bite!

          • jetmagnet

            You’re sounding more deranged meat puppet who’s ready to commit suichyside. Just got an email from Military.com suichycides are up 70% on vets over 50. Some people just can’t take the mental part of war. Hell, today i just blewup a teabag tacked to post @ 1500 yds with my sniper rifle. Lipton would be proud lol, I know i was. It sounds like one of my demons is has snatched your brain and is stomping on it as we speak. hahahahaha

          • Drawer22

            @jetmagnet – I do not think it wise to feed the prevaricating, bloviating demon in your mind. On the other hand, I hope you get the psychiatric assistance you so obviously require and that, in time, you will be able to rejoin a moderately civilized society, even one behind locked doors.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • jetmagnet

            Part of my training involved both interrogation techniques and psychological warfare, and I was very good at it. Your attempt to bolster you libido by demonizing me without realizing your own inadequacies is obviously apparent in your childish post. This is typical with mindsets such as yours who’s views are held by your own insecurities and prejudices. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies in general-Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice. The fact the “pragmatic thought process” on weighing the merits of more than one position on politics is further proof that baggers cannot accept anything that’s not in their wheelhouse. They appropriately defend all positions right or wrong that parrots their party ideology without question. We in the psychological universe call this “cognitive dissonance” So your response is typical, there’s no rationalization in your responses other than to demonize the opposing poster. this is somehow in small minded people- to devaluate and neutralize opponents position. Sorry fella LMAO!

          • Kenny Coffman

            Why is this guy so concerned about male genitalia? He should call himself “ballmagnet.”

          • Drawer22

            @Kenny Coffman – I haven’t figured out whether he’s homophobic or homophilic. Being a liberal, I’d tend to presume the latter ─ which also supports your proposed screen name for the loon! (My apologies to the bird so designated and to Canadians who might be offended.)

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

        • Bob McMahan

          Jet,

          You raise an interesting point. The NRA doesn’t appear to support open carry, perhaps because it scares the twits. I do open carry sometimes, if I only to educate our local police. Now as to testicular size, who knows, but I do have five kids.

          • jetmagnet

            Well, I don’t have a problem with the police, someone in the county got busted when his gun was exposed during a traffic stop… he was unaware it was partially exposed. He got out of the car and was reaching back in the window when the cop noticed the gun sticking out. i believe it was thrown out…but just the crap he had to go through. They are working on a “accidental” exposure bill,but then you leave it up for interpretation of the law enforcement officer. Too many “vague” and grey areas.

          • Dale Hamilton

            Any time police pull you over you tell them first thing that you are concealed carry. They will know anyway when they run your license. This has happened to me at least 3 times. They always thanked me for telling them. I hope every “LAW A BIDING” person on my street has a gun. I raised all 5 of my grandchildren to know gun safety and took them to the gun range many times. They respect people and guns. I hope I never have to shoot anyone. I have carried concealed for 15 years. It is “only” for self defense.

      • al sowins

        Maybe a few.
        Cowards are plentiful, it seems. “If I don’t have a gun I can’t fight. I’m afraid to fight, so I won’t have a gun.” And then add, as their throats are cut on international TV, “Oh, how I wish I had gone down shooting!”

      • don

        LOL! not likely…

    • 1MarianneD

      Thanks, Mark. You just know if any shooting starts anywhere the anti-gun people will be hiding behind you, and expecting you to protect them.

  • Richard H

    If I saw a sign that firearms were welcomed (and keep them holstered) on a business door, I would be drawn to utilizing their products/services.

    • Steve Thomas

      They should add “unless needed”.

      • Richard H

        Of course, I was just trying to be brief while mentioning a common safety procedure. Thanks for pointing that out. 🙂

  • KATHLEEN CRANE

    I LOVE THE IDEA, I’LL BET THAT EATERY NEVER GETS ROBBED, I USED TO CARRY OPEN IN AZ I LOVED BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, I THINK IF EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT’S OK TO HAVE ONE OR MANY FIREARMS ON PREMISES THAT THERE WOULD BE FAR LESS CRIME, THE GANGSTERS LOVE TO HIT PLACES THAT OPENLY STATE NO FIRE ARMS ALLOWED, THATS AN OPEN INVITATION, TEACHERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CARRY, ALSO I THINK THE PERSONAL CHIP THAT ALLOWS ONLY THE REGISTERED OWNER TO FIRE IS AWESOME, COPS WILL NOT BE KILLED BY THEIR OWN GUN, THINK OF IT ALSO CORRECTION OFFICERS WON’T BE JUMPED TO GET A GUN THAT IS OF NO USE, SO MANY THINGS TO DO THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR CHANCES, THAT IS UNTIL THEY SLAP US WITH MARTIAL LAW THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING UP TO.

    • Robert Frye

      No Chips in my guns!

    • Drawer22

      @KATHLEEN CRANE – First of all, I’m not entirely deaf, so you need not shout. It would lend a note of adult credibility were you to follow the same protocol others do and KEEP YOUR “VOICE” AT A NORMAL VOLUME!

      Secondly, both open and concealed carry have their place. The choice for either is made only with freedom to do so.

      Thirdly, having “chipped” firearms is such a great idea, particularly for LEOs! Then, when the battery dies or the “intelligent chip” malfunctions, LEOs can be killed by criminals so much easier! Having served as a LEO, I am now forever grateful that you didn’t do the recommendations to my department on what I had to carry! So many more of us would have died so that you could say we were safer. Yikes!

      Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

      • KATHLEEN CRANE

        DRAWER
        I WRITE IN CAPS SO I CAN SEE, I ENJOY CAPS IN RETURN SO I CAN READ, LARGER FONT PRINTED IN LOWER CASE ISN’T THE SAME ,THE LETTERS CHANGE SHAPE, IF YOUR OFFENDED THEN SO AM I , MAYBE YOU SHOULD INQUIRE BEFORE YOU GO OFF ON SOMEONE,
        AS FOR THE CHIP IN A WEAPON, YES IT COULD FAIL THE SAME AS WHEN A WEAPON MISS FIRES, EVERYTHING HAS POTENTIAL OF MALFUNCTION,
        I AGREE RE: THE OPEN AND CONCEAL, THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR PLACE.
        AS FOR THE WEAPON YOU CARRY FOR WHATEVER REASON IT SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE TO HAVE THE CHIP, IT’S PRETTY SIMPLE IMO,
        HAVE A NICE DAY

        • Drawer22

          @KATHLEEN CRANE – There’s a reason other people are courteous to each other. Courtesy is a social lubricant of a civilized society. That you wish to place yourself outside of that which is courteous and civilized is, of course, your choice. If it’s a matter of being unable to read lowercase, then not only do I wonder how you know that to which you are responding, but I have a novel idea: GET GLASSES! Too, if you regard the manner in which I wrote to you as going off on you, then you haven’t seen or experienced anyone really going off on anyone else. And yes, dearie, I have!

          A chip failing in/on a firearm is hardly the same as a misfire (Note the correct spelling.). Most firearm malfunctions are correctable in seconds; changing out a chip or a battery upon which such a chip relies might well take returning the firearm to the manufacturer. Meanwhile, the firefight continues, and the person most needing the firearm is effectively disarmed or, at the least, unarmed. With that in mind, I gather we are agreed that no one should be forced to use a firearm which is not their choice. Unfortunately, the state of New Jersey has other ideas.

          If you need financial help in obtaining eyeglasses, please contact me. I have several recommendations and would happily assist you myself, though I am far from able to afford it.

          De Oppresso Liber

          • KATHLEEN CRANE

            drawer, first i want to thank you for the generous offer however i have worn glassed since i was a year old i currently have 3 pair that i use for different things none of them are the greatest but i deal with it,
            if i misspelled something my bad, i try to go back and check to see if the spelling is correct, i do have spell check and i know it underlines the word but i don’t always see the underline.
            i am a senior ,senior, and i really don’t think this should be an issue, i have explained that i am not being discourteous yet that just doesn’t seem to have any effect on the way you feel about caps.

            i have always been taught to forgive one’s short comings so at that i forgive you, have a great day

          • Drawer22

            @KATHLEEN CRANE – You’re quite welcome for the offer, though I regret your being unable to obtain any advantage from it.

            As with most, reading all uppercase is more difficult than the norm. Now understanding your physical disability, I will make the effort absent the usual judgment that all caps is shouting.

            As I am unsure of what you feel obligated to forgive, feel free, knowing that I am unable to receive the sentiment with any understanding. As a senior myself, that status is not one I see as slowing me down or as entitlement to special treatment, but that perspective is mine, and not one I’d expect others to share. I am, however, quite willing to give to others that which I am able, including forgiveness for their physical impairments which call for additional effort on my part and assistance otherwise when and where I am capable. May your day be blessed with that knowledge.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • KATHLEEN CRANE

            Drawer,

            Thank you once again for the offer, I do not look for sympathy due to age, I am in perfect , health, I take no drugs whatsoever, my only ailment is my site and I am very grateful for what I do have.
            I am blessed every single day and I try to share my blessings with others as you have so generously offered to me.
            It’s all good may you always be blessed as well.

            Warm regards,

            Kathleen

          • Drawer22

            @KATHLEEN CRANE – YOU’RE WELCOME, AND THANK YOU (on a couple of levels!).

            WITH RESPECT ─ DE OPPRESSO LIBER

          • KATHLEEN CRANE

            Thanks for the caps, your welcome for whatever,
            You got me on the (De Oppresso Liber)

            Regards,
            Kathleen AKA Cookie

          • Drawer22

            @KATHLEEN CRANE – “DE OPPRESSO LIBER” (Loosely, “We Liberate the Oppressed.”) IS THE UNIT MOTTO OF THE UNIT WITH WHICH I SERVED OVERSEAS.

            KEEP ON TRUCKIN’, COOKIE!

            COGITO, ERGO ARMATUS SUM.

          • KATHLEEN CRANE

            OK I get now and (THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE)
            how did you know I used to drive truck? well it was only a toe truck, lol
            Cookie

          • Drawer22

            @KATHLEEN CRANE – AND AS A HINT TO WHAT THAT PART OF MY UNIT DID FOR WHICH I VOLUNTEERED, “Drawer 22” WAS MY OVERSEAS ADDRESS. SEE? IT ALL FITS!

            DE OPPRESSO LIBER

          • KATHLEEN CRANE

            Good Morning Drawer22,

            I don’t quite get what your unit did,
            I’m off to work, Have a great day

            Cookie

  • http://batman-news.com POTUSSUX

    Ok den… Who wants to walk in and rob this place? Actually, it would make for a very safe classroom.

  • akoby

    If a person is not “OK” with it, then don’t patronize the restaurant. Simple as that. BUt nothing to the left is simple, it is always an excuse to regulate more of someone else’s life.

  • Mileg67

    If I ever see asshats coming into a store or a restaurant, I will walk immediately and contact 911. These policies are stupid in this day in age. Its not my responsibility to “know” who’s safe with a gun and who isn’t. That would be the police to figure out, hence the 911 call.

    • J_in_TX

      You can call 911 if you want, but it is a waste of the dispatcher’s and officer’s time by doing so in an open carry state where citizens are exercising their right to open carry. I can tell you how to tell if someone is safe or not. The person open carrying will be safe. The criminal will not be open carrying because they are carrying illegally.

      • Mileg67

        It would be a great way to walk in, with others to elude “suspicion”.

        • J_in_TX

          You really have no clue of the difference between law abiding citizens exercising their God given right to carry a weapon legally and criminals carrying a weapon illegally. A criminal is not going to enter a facility where a bunch of citizens are carrying legally. They would rather enter the facilities you frequent where no one is carrying. The odds are much more in their favor of walking out instead of being carried out.

        • Drawer22

          @Mileg67 – In my experience as a LEO, criminals do not typically manifest themselves as the brightest bulbs on the chandelier. Shows you’re thinking though!

          De Oppresso Liber

    • Drawer22

      @Mileg67 – You really are clueless, aren’t you? Wow! It must really be a terrible thing to live in such fear of inanimate objects. There are treatments for hoplophobia available, when your fears become more than you wish to bear.

      Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

  • yaki534

    Hope there is more businesses to do the same. Ask the business owners in the city where they are having the riots.

  • Gary Dorsey

    With today’s out of control, lawless president, who makes his own laws, deliberately promotes racial divisions, promotes and encourages a never ending onslaught of lawlessness to our country, it now falls squarely upon the shoulders of law abiding citizens to resist, and if necessary disobey, in order to bring back law and order to our society. What liberals do not understand is that being pro gun is not about the love or fascination with guns, as they like to use in their lies and attempts to vilify the NRA. It is about the freedoms born from the revolution from a tyrannical king. Our second amendment is a necessity to keep those freedoms that were born in revolt and as a guarantee of the peoples ability to resist the ever growing menace that we call the government. Our present government is being run by career politicians, elitists, liberal democrats, socialists and communists. They In their quest for socialism/communism lie, deceive and use any crisis to invoke their agendas. It is incumbent upon we the people to be diligent and remind them that the constitution is the only supreme law. If our country is to survive as a free society liberals must be removed by all means necessary. Liberalism is defined as a mental disease. Those afflicted with Liberalism would not know why true Americans embrace the freedoms guaranteed by our constitution if they bit them on the Arse. We as citizens should demand that we be able to maintain a balance of power and be allowed to posses the same firepower as those who seek to rule over us.

  • CharlieM34

    I would eat at Shooters happily and often……even if the meal was less than great (Not the case, I am sure). Hooooray for Lauren.

  • adrianvance

    Read “More Guns, Less Crime” by John Lott and you will know the facts drawn from ten years of FBI crime statistics.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” When you speak they will listen.

  • WeepingProphet

    I would drive a long way to eat in this place just to support the freedom of the USA demonstrated there.

  • Nanasix

    Bravo, I’m so proud of her and what she’s doing to make our voices heard. Keep up the good work. I stand with you

  • James Maxwell

    I feel sad that we must actually go to such measures as to carry weapons on our
    person to insure our safety. But if it is my families safety over some dead scumb
    bag then so be it. I will not surrender my safety to the police that are minutes
    away when bullets are flying or some nut job decides to open fire in a crowded
    place where peaceful people are gathered, I have insure that my wife, daughter,
    grand kids and great grand kids are taught fire arm safety and how to properly
    acquire the target before squeezing the trigger and hitting the target. One shot
    stops ass holes from further damage.

    • Drawer22

      @James Maxwell – PLEASE remember that one shot may not stop a violent criminal, nor two shots, for that matter. It may not be until that 33d shot that the violent aggressor is sufficiently disabled as not to be an immediate threat. Even shots to supposedly fatal areas may not be adequate to stop an aggressor immediately, and likely won’t. It often takes time for the mind and body to understand that they can’t keep going with fatal shots already having been placed ─ and that includes shots to the head, heart, and major arteries.

      De Oppresso Liber

      • James Maxwell

        Need to carry the proper firearm, anything under .40 caliber
        is to small. I personally have either a .357, .40 or .45 sidearm
        Although there are times when I have found a .22 magnum

        works exceedingly well under the right circumstances. I do

        not fire indiscriminately and only targets that I know I can

        hit. In my home the 12 guage pump works very well to repel

        any fool that attempts to enter my home uninvited.
        As you probably well know it is dependent upon the persons

        training and ability that makes the difference. Double tap

        works very well on the majority of aggressors, but it depends
        upon the situation at hand, I have seen some take numerous
        rounds and keep on coming till I had to change magazines.

        • Rowdy

          Sounds like some tall tails to me. There is a reason it is said center body mass. If you shoot someone in the liver, yeah it will take a while for them to take it seriously. If you sever the spinal cord with that center mass shot, anything near to or below impact quits working Immediately. The apricot is end of story NOW. You will know instantly if further effort is needed.

          • Drawer22

            @Rowdy – A high-CoM impact is likely to have more effect than actual CoM, as High-CoM is where all the “good stuff” is. Even knowing this, however, I tend to go for the center of the largest part of the target, which happens to be CoM. Be aware, however that even severing the spinal cord will not stop the momentum of the target, and if that target is aggressing quickly toward you with an outstretched, bladed weapon, the mass of the target could well generate sufficient momentum to kill you with the blade. These encounters happen in split seconds, and no single “solution” is THE only solution for all people and situations.

            Your denigration of James Maxwell’s purported experience is uncalled for, in my opinion. Unless I’m missing something, you have no information contradicting his assertions.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • al sowins

            Listen to Drawer 22. He really knows what he is talking about. Shoot twice for the pee pee and you will probably hit something. Use a heavy caliber hollowpoint and one hit, almost anyplace will probably do it. As a bonus, if you hit him in the balls he will not be able to reproduce more Adam Henrys.

        • Drawer22

          @James Maxwell – Then we are agreed regarding selection of caliber. (My general preference is .45, though I have used a .22 LR silenced, when appropriate for the mission and carried a 12ga in other operations.) We are also very much agreed with reference to training and ability being additional factors to consider when selecting a firearm appropriate to circumstances.

          Thank you for your service, TSgt., and WELCOME HOME, my brother-at-arms!

          Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

  • RhettButler1

    I think that lady has a good market to sell some T shirts with her business logo on them.

  • DaveM

    Hey gun haters! Want a safe place…come on in (identify yourself and we will spill your tea)

  • Arthur Mason

    I bet these places don’t get robbed very soon!

    • Rowdy

      Yep here where I live in Colorado, most locations including banks encourage carrying concealed or open.

  • William Michael Stone

    I am hoping that these patrons have enough sense to take the one in the chamber out! You know……so no accidents happen. ( yes I have several guns, and, I practice safe and responsible ownership. Come on ISIS! Come to America! Start some shit! You will find out what our flaccid, limp, government has been holding back……an armed population with enough rage to make you, and your kind, EXTINCT. Keep it up! I don’t think the government can hold us much longer……

    • Rowdy

      Ridiculous, if your carrying, the point is that you are ready to take action to defend yourself and others at the instant of need. Excuse me mr. badguy, hold on while I chamber a round. Not in my scenario, badguy – alright everyone hands up this is a holdup – me – bang bang , bang – better call the police and an ambulance.

      • William Michael Stone

        Excuse me, Rowdy, I have a semi automatic, to chamber a round takes less than a blink of an eye, and, if I’m doing that as I’m pointing, and moving, you would have to be Annie Oakley, to make a lethal kill. Don’t need accidents to tarnish responsible gun totin’, need lives saved, because of responsible gun totin!

        • Rowdy

          Yeah Sure, but every blink of an eye costs lives. I would just as soon that it isn’t mine, or yours. Yes one of my main carries is a 1911A it is always carried fully charged, one in chamber and hammer back, with safety on. I have packed such for a little over 50 years and have had no issues because I do practice gun safety in all respects. Do as you please but don’t try to tell me how to practice gun safety. And I will be willing to bet a substantial sum that the time difference between my draw and fire is close to a full second faster than yours to chamber a round. But whatever dude.

          • William Michael Stone

            That’s cool Rowdy, but, if you will re-read what I wrote, you will notice that, I didn’t tell you what to do….I made a suggestion, and, if some one comes in a club bent on robbing it, I think the sound of several rounds being chambered is a pretty good deterrent. After all, we don’t need to “shoot, and ask questions later”…..dude. There is too much paperwork, and, no need for trigger happy bloodshed. After all, this is not a war zone. If it was, I would have two guns with one in the chamber of both, and a few extras to boot!

          • Drawer22

            @William Michael Stone – Carrying a semi-auto with one up the snout, as recommended for most such modern firearms, doesn’t make anyone “trigger (sic) happy” in the slightest. What it does do is save time when time counts, and gives the responsible firearms owner that little bit more time to evaluate the situation and determine the variables which, for the responsible firearms carrier, may determine whether or not to take shot presented.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • Rowdy

            Some people are just stubborn and self centered, Haven’t even seen a dog fight yet they feel they can train your pit bull. Hopefully he will learn some common sense and true life facts before his (this isn’t a warzone) mentality gets him into serious trouble. You see sir in a way you are correct in that this is not a war zone and one must act accordingly, but the instant the situation changes, you are dead wrong, YOU ARE now in a war zone, and you better be ready for it as every fraction of a second can mean life or death. Since you are not the one to dictate the situation, now you are locked in a life or death struggle with those fractions of a second while you try to catch up. One second is a long time when you find yourself in a situation where everything happens in micro seconds.

          • Drawer22

            @Rowdy – As the comments you make are not related to anything I posted, but are apparently related and in answer to William Michael Stone, you may wish to edit your remarks and re-post appropriately, as you and I are already in total agreement. Once you do so, I shall be pleased to delete this response.

            By the way, I’ve served in both military and civilian war zones. I know them well and occasionally frequent the civilian variety now, albeit quite well armed.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • Rowdy

            You are pretty much correct, except that the first comment was directed to you concerning his comments then drifted to respond to his thoughts and to interject common sense thoughts to him.

          • Drawer22

            @Rowdy – Yes, I am quite stubborn about being open-minded and adaptable. Combat has a way of influencing flexibility.

            As you state the remainder is not directed toward me, I shan’t respond to the remainder, other than to note that we are agreed. As you state the first comment was directed toward me (and thanks for the compliment!), I shan’t delete anything.

            De Oppresso Liber

          • Drawer22

            @Rowdy – As experienced gunfighters know, you’re absolutely right.

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

          • PatHenry

            Amen one 1911 Commander cocked and locked :o)

    • Drawer22

      @William Michael Stone – Depending on the firearm, removing the round from the chamber could be not only foolish, but more dangerous. The more one handles a firearm without necessity, the more likely a negligent discharge is to occur.

      De Oppresso Liber

  • kathy

    Luv all of these comments. You know that every single one of the single toothed manly men posting here have small penises that they can’t even see for the beer guts that they carry around.

    Lmao

    • Rowdy

      Have I got a surprise for you sweetheart.

      • PatHenry

        Sounds like penis envy but I don’t have to open carry just concealed carry for me.

        • Drawer22

          @PatHenry – A more enlightened way of thinking might be to orient toward carrying in the manner most effective for the circumstances in which one is likely to be involved, unless carrying concealed is more representative of what else you might feel the need to hide.

          De Oppresso Liber

          • PatHenry

            My demeanor is such that I don’t look like an easy target and I would rather not scare the liberal limp wrists by exposing my carry gun. It’s there if I need it and no one needs to know!

          • Drawer22

            @PatHenry – As free men, we each have the liberty of choosing a carry preference, and I can certainly understand the reasoning of which you speak. It is my preference to remain adaptable to various situations which I might encounter, so that I can be in the best possible configuration to resolve the threat. (That may have much to do with my education and experience in unconventional warfare.)

            ‘Til such as you and I are needed, let’s keep our powder dry!

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

      • kathy

        Sorry but just not interested in pig penis. I hear most of you guys use the same ruler that you use for the fish that got away.

        • Drawer22

          @kathy – As I don’t fish, I wouldn’t know, but I do have access to a camel in which you might be interested, now that you’ve voiced a passing speculation in bestiality.

          De Oppresso Liber

      • Drawer22

        @Rowdy – You’d get that close to her? I question your judgment in women!

        De Oppresso Liber

    • Drawer22

      @kathy – Any chance you would consider staying on topic? If not, perhaps you might consider spending more time with the girly-boys who are more likely to be endowed in the manner you are in the southerly regions.

      De Oppresso Liber

    • Clark Kent/Kal-El

      Another idiot.(see above). Do you have any clue as to how many people defend themselves every day in this country. You never will if you watch major networks. Do you have a clue as to how many accidents happen because of firearms versus the amount of car accidents verus amount of cars. You have no clues, but plenty of leftist talking points. Go learn something then get back to us.

  • michaelcain

    The gun grabbers are the type that will say after things go wrong that they were wrong but then it will be too late for them. They have been brow beat for so long by those who could not handle a gun . But ask them this , What do the cops use to stop crimnals.and how long after an assailant has mugged them do the cops show up to take a report ?many crimes are thwarted because the intended victim has a gun. and many criminals choose to take full advantage of their victims and then decide to kill them. well it will not happen to my family as long as I am alive.

    • kathy

      No it probably won’t happen to your family but if it does it will very likely be with your own weapons.

      • Drawer22

        @kathy – Your written perspective is statistically incorrect.

        De Oppresso Liber

      • PatHenry

        Statistics don’t back you up just the left wing BS does.

  • http://batman-news.com jondarmes

    I don’t open carry because I don’t want to give the scum warning, if she’ll open a restaurant here in Jackson, Mo. I will be there every morning.

  • Alaskat

    Guns get the blame for crime, but almost every school shooter and freaks like the mom who drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub were on pharmaceutical anti-depressive drugs. It is well known that these popular poisons such as Prozac can cause people to become violent. When given to youth, (to increase drug profits which are already obscene), they cause suicide. Wake up and follow the money. Guns protect us, especially from our own govt., armed citizens prevent crime and gun bans skyrocket crime rates.Be wary of govt. advocating “gun control” (confiscation), they have an agenda, and it not “Save the Children.”

  • http://www.TheJoyOfBeingaControlFreak.com/ Joyful LaRue

    Undoubtedly the SAFEST restaurant in America . . . even the dummy pot heads/dopers & hoodies know better than the drag their sorry-arses in for a cup ‘o java—of course, there’s no accounting for dopey-potheads out there.

  • jetmagnet

    Sounds good. Bring your gun and maybe accidently kill some one! lmao!

    • Clark Kent/Kal-El

      You’re right. I would rather go somewhere that is Gun-Free. After all that is where the Mass-Murderers go because there is nobody to stop them. What an IDIOT.

    • Daingit

      Bring your car and accidentally run over the crowed in the line of fire and blame the car! Lamo! Well trained people who are not criminals know the difference between safety and a dangerous situation, and what they need to do in those situations. The government needs to train safety not deny it.

      • jetmagnet

        It sounds like we agree, but you’re an exception not the rule.

  • Mark Clemens

    I like a few bullets with my biscuits,
    How ’bout y’all?

  • Ronald Hagler

    I find this to be most refreshing. For those of you who are alarmed at this enlightening news of Americans actually being allowed to practice the freedoms we have, I say this. What offends you the most about this issue? Do you not know and believe that if a “Gang Banger” is in the store, he will have a weapon and will be far more dangerous than the “Law-Abiding” citizen who is exercising his/her right to self-protection? Why do some of you not realize that the best defense is a BETTER offense? If a criminal knows that an establishment disallows firearms on their primices, they are more likely to cause trouble; not fearing that they will be “Counter-Attacked”. Transversely, if that same criminal knows that an establishment welcomes “permitted” firearms, carried by Law-Abiding citizens, they are less likely to start anything; as they do not know who will fight back and who will not. It really is simple, except to a simple mind!

  • Rix

    I wonder how long it will be before some idiot try to hold the place up.

    • dian hudson

      Highly unlikely!! what robber goes to a place so highly armed??!! And u better bet that those customers R FAMILY with that establishment.Whadda ya THINK –THIS IS NY WHERE EVERYONE IS JUST A NUMBER??!! No my friend this is one of the best places to live in America. WE THINK DIFFERENT AND INDEPENDENTLY . WE ALL-KNOW EACH OTHER AND WORK AS A VERY CLOSE COMMUNITY OF LIKE MINDS. WE KNOW OUR BUSINESS.

  • robert3016

    I have made an effort to not support those businesses that are apposed to the 2ND Amendment or any part of the Constitution. At first it was very hard to find out who stood for what. But i have come to seek out the family run stores and have discontinued in going to Starbucks and the like. I have desided to move into the Intermountain West where i can engage in my desire to find those who are conservative small town America, that still is engaged in hunting and are God fearing.
    The Cities are enhabited by the code of dependency, which is nothing more then a mental disease.

  • 1MarianneD

    All women should be carrying guns and know how to shoot them accurately.

  • Donna Minion Olsen Lober

    These people are idiots. I would want NO PART of any establishment that encourages guns on its premises!!

  • Gary Grimm

    the newest National Monument: Shooter’s Grill, Rifle, Colorado.

  • ABBAsFernando

    The Founding Fathers of America knew human nature much better than VILE LIBERAL SCUM. We the People are SOVEREIGN RULERS or we are NOT. VILE LIBERAL SCUM thing we are all PRISONERS not capable of defending ourselves.

  • mamamayhem

    I visit this site to get a good laugh. Yeeehaw. Kids get a free toy gun that looks just like Dad’s with your kid’s meal. Hahaha backwards loonies. Then the kid grows up and pulls a mass school shooting. Then the NRA blames mental health for the number of SHOOTING deaths. So you’re going to tell me if knives, were substituted in ALL of the too many to mention school shootings, it would of resulted in as many deaths? They’ll be just as many innocent dead children and parents who’ve loss these children? Common sense is surely NOT common but simple minded people are.

    • bob

      If you do some research mama, you would find that all of the recent mass shootings were performed by either Liberal minded people of children of Liberals.

      • mamamayhem

        Following me here, Bob. I’m not talking statistics. I am speaking about actual dead bodies. People who had to bury their loved ones because some sicko killed shot them down. Coffins, funerals, broken families are not made up by liberals. Bullets don’t give a damn if you’re a liberal or gun loving conservative; will go through your ass regardless. Are you going to tell me now that those children deserved to die because you have some fascist thought that they were liberals and deserved to do so? Now, let’s just consider if one of the 104 innocent kids sitting in class since just 2010 was one of your grandkids, nephews, kids etc. DEAD. Not to mentioned how many are just injured by guns. The problems I have with you people is that you don’t think about this until it hits home. I’m done.

  • wminaz

    I saw a photo of sheeple lined up in Conn to register their automatic weapons not too long ago. If you own automatic weapons in whole or in part for protection (as has already been the need in the USA previously – LA riots) why would you register them with the government ? Why would the government have a need for you to register your automatic weapons unless it is for purposes of confiscation (as has already happened in the USA previously – Katrina) ?
    Once, and only once, I heard of a gun store being held up. There were hunters, the gun store employees and a cop in the store. The druggie who tried it was described as a “mess” when it was over. I have no problem carrying or being where others carry.

  • tinkerunique

    Dingaling said that is contributing to the gun violence ??? It is one of the safest places in town = NO FEAR of getting robbed.
    Dingaling also is probably totally ignorant on what a gun is about, let alone how one works. More people are killed by drunk drivers than thugs with guns, let’s ban cars. The car DID NOT make the driver get drunk, just like the gun did NOT make the thug rob the store.

    • Daingit

      People ( Liberals ) always want to blame everything on inanimate objects and not on the person behind the crime. The car, gun, knife, hammer, ax, lug wrench, crossbow, or any of thousands of inanimate items can not cause harm to anyone on their own. What I’m saying is; train those who need Training; Safety and proper use of these things, and those who harm others when using these thing should receive the maximum penalty and not a slap on the wrist as they pass through the revolving door. If a drunk driver that kills or mangels someone should not be allowed to drive a car and be held liable for the cost to all those concerned. All these man made tools when in the wrong hands can do a lot of harm, but in the well trained Law abiding citizen does more good than harm; it’s as simple as that.

      • tinkerunique

        CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD & AGREED WITH…. Cars ( by idiot-thinking) have killed many times MORE people than guns, but nobody thinks about banning cars. This country and ALL local courts need to enforce the existing gun laws on people USING guns for illegal purpose, whether the gun was used or not. There used to be a MANDATORY 5-year sentence for having a gun during the crime = over and above the crime itself. Some few crooks are convicted of the SEPARATE crime of having the gun DURING the crime.

  • adrianvance

    A sign saying that will stop any of these would-be mass murders as they do not expect to die in a “gun free zone.”

    Google “Two Minute Conservative.” When you speak they will listen.

  • OCDiver

    KUDOS to Lauren Boebert and the good folks of Rifle CO!!! We need all of the cities and towns all across America to start doing the same!! We need to teach the lib’s that their right to free speech is protected by our right to keep and bear arms!! Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have them and that makes us a country of targets!!

  • catman

    So who gives a damn what Shannon Watts thinks??? Like the topless bars, if you don’t like them, don’t go in the door. Same with the “Shooters Grill”. Don’t like guns, don’t go in there. I’ll make it a point to stop in the Shooters Grill next time I am on I-70.

  • CarterSatherford

    This is refreshing, wish I lived nearby just so I could go there and open carry. Kudos for this business owner!

  • don

    i see nothing wrong with that policy…i’d rather be in a room full of firearms owners than a room full of “Let the police handle it” when some nut decides to try to shoot up the place…

    study after study…interview after interview have proven where guns are known to be present, it’s less likely to attract evil-doers. a FACT totally ignored by most legislators.

  • Ddenney1

    The right to bare arms IS license to carry!! Permits are just government getting their cut and telling the people they want to that they can not have their rights! I am for background checks but be realistic not only background records of jail and health but how about someone that hasn’t had any problems for 10 or 20 years????

  • adrianvance

    Finally, good sense is prevailing somewhere!

    Google”Two Minute Conservative” When you speak they will applaud.

  • Wayne Thorson

    I got news for these gun totters. Their chances of being killed in a car accident or getting killed by a wild animal are greater than being accosted by another person. This make believe world they live in is ridiculous. Why they think someone is going to harm them is something I can’t imagine. Unless they have did something to someone else. I’m glad I can walk in an establishment and feel secure and don’t feel I need some protection. Maybe they are in their second childhood and like play like they are the fastest gun in the West.

    • slypuffers

      “Rather have it and not need it, than desperately need it, and not have it”. Obviously you have lived a sheltered life, in a nice environment, never being accosted. ……sweetheart.

      • Wayne Thorson

        slypuffers, Dear honey bunch do you want tell me about the number of times you have been accosted?

        • slypuffers

          3X:Seattle, Los Angeles, and New Orleans. …..sweetheart. I was in possession of a .345 in Seattle, and a 9 mm the other two occasions. Saved my bacon. And you know it all?

          • Wayne Thorson

            You have got to stop thinking when a person as much as looks cross-eyed at you that he is accosting you. You have seen these people on the news where when a person threw pop corn in his face he took out a gun and shot him haven’t you? You are an example of the nest manslaughter case with your attitude.

          • slypuffers

            Stop talking out of your ass. You have no idea what I’ve experienced, or done in the past 69 years. Sometimes I’ve seen, and been involved in too much death, abuse, and pain……sweetheart. History always repeats itself, and your Ideology has not worked through recorded history. End of story, and you.

          • Joseph Toth

            Slypuffers I wouldn’t waste my time answering Wayne, it’s obvious he is just a Obama Kool-Aid drinker. With no backbone of his own, he lives in a fantasy world along with all the other gutless wonders. I for one am glad that people like you are around.

          • slypuffers

            Thank you, and God bless……….sweetheart.

          • Joseph Toth

            He would be the first one to run behind you for protection if he were in danger of getting hurt. God Bless you too.

        • slypuffers

          Wayne…..read my profile, and you’ll understand the sweetheart. Honey bunch sounds, why it sounds, gay………..sweetheart.

  • adrianvance

    Read “More Guns, Less Crime” by Dr. John R. Lott who analyzed ten years of FBI data to develop his hypothesis. Facts do not lie.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” We prove what we say.

  • Allen Benge

    Hats off to Shooter’s Grill in Rifle, CO. I have informed businesses that ban guns that if i am injured because of being denied my right to defend myself, the business can expect to be sued for major money. If I am killed for the same reason, my wife is ready to file suit for my loss. You see, I remember the mass killing at a Luby’s, in Killeen, TX. If there had been an armed citizen in Luby’s that day,fewer people would have been slaughtered. They don’t want my gun, they don’t want my business.

  • livefree1200cc

    I bet they never get robbed

  • William Fisher

    The John Birch Society had a motto: “Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!” They knew back in the ’60s that the UN was bad news and up to no good. Then the Libs set out to destroy any opposition to the UN because they all thought that “One World Government” was the answer. It seems as though nothing has changed.

  • JONDO

    Where in the hell is your common sense. ? You people must be out of your minds, You have taken one of our rights and made it into an embarrassment, To think that people could be that dam stupid. Overkill is what they call it.

    • CrustyOldGeezer

      And your ignorance of the policy is showing.

      I have been there and there is nothing odd, uncomfortable, or out of line.

      Besides, what other dining establishment guarantees your safety from loons with guns that might come in and start shooting?

      4 waitresses, and a dozen or so Law Abiding Citizens covering you back while you eat doesn’t bother me or any of the other patrons.

      Exactly what was it that wadded your panties up for you?

      oh yeah, the food is excellent and well worth the trip.

      • JONDO

        When ever the time comes that your afraid to come out of your house without carrying a gun Your wadded panties must be up around your neck,.You been watching to many old westerns..

        • Daingit

          Who said anything about coming out of your house; the criminal usually steals a gun using a hundred different methods and could care less who he uses it on; because he has little respect for life other than his own. He is a coward when confronted by others who get the drop on him; but this can not happen if only the criminals have guns and the law abiding citizen has no way of protecting himself. When ISIS or any other terrorist group comes up from the border; there won’t be troops, police, or national guard standing there to send them back. The proof of this is the millions here and thousands crossing the border every month with little to stop them; thanks to This Obama Administration. Common Sense is why the 2nd Amendment was written into the constitution Early ( It was the 2nd most important law put in the constitution; Being what we are doing here is the 1st ( Freedom of Speech ) ). Obama is attacking this also.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            He hides in the shadows and tries not to be noticed and he’s getting lonely and trying to get people back into his cellar because that is the only life he knows.

      • JONDO

        Only criminals need some one to cover thr back. We never needed anyone to cover our back, You even sound like you done something wrong, But you are right about the danger this government is putting us in with thr brainless ideas on how to run a government. Its hard to explain thr stupidity and i wont even try. Do you realize how much this government is charging people to carry a gun.and the rules and the red tape plus going to a class to be taught how to use a gun, I cant afford it can you. ? And if you dont do all that you will be arrested for carrying a gun off your property.They got you coming and going. You cant win because the government is on the lawbreakers side.

        • CrustyOldGeezer

          Well, it appears that you have the whine, sniffle and cower in fear down, any chance of you ever having a large dose of not-stupid for dessert this morning for breakfast?

          You deal with feelings over intelligence and that allows you to hide in the shadows and hope you never get noticed.

          yer such a good little puppy dawg, now roll over so they can scratch your tummy….

  • hijinx60

    I feel that any place that posts a “No Guns Allowed” sign is infringing on my Second Amendment rights.

  • Lary Breeding

    Anyone relying on the police to protect them are doomed to fail. The police are not capable and will not protect you from a mugger, rapist or murderer. Frankly, I would feel safer in that restaurant than in others that don’t allow the carrying of firearms.

  • adrianvance

    Why will we never see a mass murder in that place?

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” and you will know.

  • Don Dale

    It’s in Colorado, dammit I was hoping Ohio

  • greenjavlin

    People who don’t like it shouldn’t go there. They can vote with their feet. People who like it are already voting with theirs.

  • yaki534

    I wish I lived closer so I could patronize this restaurant. Gun free zones are an open invitation for criminals. If there is a chance that a customer was armed criminals normally wouldn’t go there to ply their trade. It is only common sense.

  • pmbalele

    The owner is stupid. He will be the first to be shot by his own employees. One day the owner will refuse to give overtime money to drunk employee and that will be the end of him or her.

  • Jimmee41

    Let’s crank up the Dozers and push the UN into the sea…kind of like a “Tea Party”!!!

  • Morton212

    Guns in a restaurant where there is alcohol – and families ? Deranged.

  • Reddler

    I noticed there was not one word in the article about any type of violence happening at Shooter’s Grill.

  • Libertarian1911

    Shannon Watts of Moms Demand Action: “This is a really dangerous situation and it’s contributing to our culture of gun violence in America,” Watts said. “We are not okay with this.”
    Where is her proof? Have there been any incidents involving guns at that restaurant? The possession of a gun is not violence. The presence of a gun in fact decreases violence. Unless, apparently, you are a gun hater who does not seem to be able to control their emotions and actions and must resort to violence to solve any issue.

  • SteveW.

    If open carry or even conceal and carry had been in the classroom of Virginia Tech, if more teachers in public schools were allowed conceal carry, would not a lot of the tragedies not have happened or to the ultimate extent? More power to those who have the nads to allow guns in their establishments and it seems that Ms. Boebert has “a Pair”.

  • Phyllis

    I don’t own a gun but I surely need to go and have breakfast at that restaurant or even move to that town.

  • Linda Pfister

    GOD. BLESS YOU. MISS. LAUREN BOEBERT. GOD BLESS YOU. AND PPL THAT THINK LIKE. THE IDIOT. W A TTS. CAN KISS MY 2ND AMENDMENT LOVING. ASS. SO YOU AMERICA HATERS. GO. STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. AND BE BLIND TO WHAT IS REALLY THE TRUTH. BEING A GUN OWNER IS MY RIGHT. YOU DONT LIKE IT. TUFF. SHIT. ONLY. LIBERAL IDIOTS. BLAME. LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. SO. SCREW YOU. WATTS. AND YOUR PATHETIC. GUNS ARE OFFENSIVE. YOU AND IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE OFFENSIVE

  • Rowdie

    Jetmagnet: You sure sound like a liberal. Loud and furious, signifying nothing.

  • Ma Singleton

    If I lived in the area I would make a point of patronizing the establishment ,just as I do Kroger.I boycott Target and Buffalo Wild Wings because I am not free to carry.(I have my CPL)Open or other wise .If you are a business owner and support the Constitution I will support your business.That goes for politicians too if you want my support and do not want me to actively campaign against you.As for the United Nations and even many treaty’s that violate our constitution and or sovereignty need to be abolished.As citizens we need to vote in people who have the back bone necessary to uphold the our forefathers visions.

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