• Connie

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    • William Holt

      Yeah right Connie

  • mtman2

    There really are some gutless ignorant folks in HOA who can’t stand up for decent people totally within their very easiy read and clearly understood
    Constitutional Rights.
    CHRIST – MASS – is about Jesus= do make the connection;
    you Atheist’s need to mind your own business and get over it…
    You have every Right not have or not have any beliefs; however
    you have no Right to infringe on others to share them.
    Do pick on Muslim neighborhoods~!

  • tCotUS

    I would tell them to pack sand where the sun don’t shine… This is America folks…If someone is offended by it, They have the privilege to move……

  • Eddie

    I figured it was something like this .most home owers organizations are like that. Just take the sign down you should of known better in the first place. And obey the rules so we don’t have to see this kind of nonsense on here.

    • tCotUS

      Home owners assoc.are usually lead by someone similar to Pissloser, FeinSteer, or Pocahontas.
      “They think their leaders” …

    • Teresa Barrows

      OM Goodness… Are you serious…. what happened to our 1st Amendment rights… you know the one that says we have to right to believe in God, Christ, freedom of Religion…. etc. This is a Day set aside for those individuals that believe in God and the fact that he gave his ONLY SON to be “OUR SAVOIR” so why can’t we CELEBRATE the birth of our Savoir. I wholeheartedly believe that the problem with society and mankind in General is that we have neglected God, and Forgotten that HE is our Heavenly Father. HE CREATED HEAVEN & EARTH !!!, AMEN. I pray for those individuals that are be persecuted for what they believe in and for the individuals that don’t to come to know the Lord and Jesus so that they too may have eternal life with our Heavenly Father.

    • bttrap

      maybe you should move to the middle east they have all kind of rules like that for people that can’t think for themselves

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      This is a place to exercise our freedom of speech and there is nothing wrong with discussing this here or anywhere. Just sign off but don’t tell this person to ignore Jesus and to give into to this kind of harrassment from the HOA. Ignoring GOD (JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT) is a sin for which we will have to answer for on judgement day.

      • PissedoffVet

        Ignoring the spirit is the unforgivable sin. “Every Knee shall Bow”♥

    • PissedoffVet

      The Constitution gives you the right of free speech and to be able to worship what God you want the HOA does not supersede the Constitution sounds like a good law suit.

  • George E. LeFebvre

    ITS THE MAIN REASON THEY SHOULD ABOLISH ALL HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. They have become small dictatorships and evil one’s at that. I believe HOA’s were created with good intent but most have now become small dictatorships as many of the Home Owners don’t bother or care who they elect as the board memebers , not unlike the Obama’s election, then they don’t like what’s happening in the community , but folks, you get what you deserve. Lived once in a community that was just being built and once the number of homes reached a certain number the builder turned over the community to the owners. First meeting to elect the HOA leader one member walked into the meeting with proxies from most of the community residents making him the first KING. Then the bull Sh– began. Put my house on the market immediately as I saw the future that this guy was creating for himself and misery for the residents. I wasn’t wrong about his intentions..

    • po’ed in az

      The same thing can be said for Unions, once upon a time they were useful, now, as you stated above, nothing more than dictatorships with paid thugs to force compliance.

      • Nick

        Agree 100%

      • Kenneth Jones

        Bingo!

      • Traveller62

        With AZ being a “Right to Work for Less” state, I can understand your position on this matter. But I worked in a factory with union representation, a much smaller union than the Teamsters, with no paid thugs to force compliance. I had 37 years in said union, with bennies, and now am retired with same bennies AND A PENSION TO BOOT on top of a 401k. Can you beat that? Now remember, “a much smaller union than the Teamsters” for which I think you are talking about. Yes, once upon a time they were extremely useful, but unions today are very different than the Teamsters. I look at it this way. They are useful, but if your boss treats you with respect, and pays you a living wage to where one does not have to rely on food stamps to supplement the income, maybe this time a union is not needed. Mine was needed. If a reply is needed, people, please keep the language decent, intelligent, and relevant. I do that for others.

        • Matlonc

          well said- some unions are relevant but in my opinion the “bad ones” are the government unions. Why does anybody working for the government getting paid by their fellow citizens need a union? To take, take, take and give less, less, less. Furthermore their money is basically funneled back to the democrat party which in reality makes it money laundering operation. Unions need to be Apolitical but the people that are “elected” to run them are nothing but political pawns. The Dems have their hands in every crooked pot they can, otherwise they would not win fair elections.

          • oldwoman

            I was working in a major VA medical center a few years back. I did not join the union. Then I found out, through other people, I was being transferred to a 11am – 7pm slot because the guy in the slot got caught viewing porn on the job. I went to the union and asked for help. I joined, and the union managed to get me off the slot after 30 days, and back on day shift. My husband, a disabled vet, was working for the Post Office. He joined the union there to protect his job. The powers that be were hiring anyone off the street.

          • Matlonc

            I have not doubt in some businesses and instances unions are needed. They can be a help but usually they have an end game which entails democrat power. The only problem I have with the post office is they basically have a monopoly on letters and yet somehow lose 2-3 billion dollars a year? IF it were privatized I bet some company like UPS or Fedex would turn a profit in less than a year. God bless you and your husband for his service and your support of him while he served. It is people like you “guys” that make me proud to be an American. It is a shame what has been allowed to happen at some of the VA hospitals. I hope Trump and his people get that fixed. Our veterans AND family members like yourself deserve BETTER care than the filthy politicians that are in charge. Happy new year to you and your man !!!!

          • Steve Crawford

            Ryan and McConnell have been talking about privatizing the USPS, and UPS and FEDX are waiting for it to happen. One of the problems that is hurting the USPS is that they have to add money to the retirement fund for people that haven’t been born. And in the large postal offices there are almost a large number of supervisors as workers. The VA Medical facilities should be taken over by other local medical facilties. Qualifide veterans should be hired first for most VA jobs. The service is an outrage. I will never set foot in a VA hospital again.

          • Matlonc

            You are correct on all counts. I appreciate your service assuming you were in the military and it is a terrible shame how veterans are treated. You guys should have better care than anybody including the fools in congress who stick us with obamacare while they have taxpayer funded gold star coverage for themselves-what a crock. Also I LOVE your idea about hiring veterans FIRST especially in the mental health areas as you guys have seen some of the worst of humanity and can benefit one another simply be being able to speak of it. Trump is making the VA better and whether people like him personally or not he loves the military, police, and all service members and will not allow the garbage to continue without accountability, something sorely lacking in most government agencies. God bless and I hope it gets better for you my friend. See you around the net !!!

          • jaybird

            The bad thing about the government unions is that you cannot get rid of a corrupt, lazy employee!

          • Matlonc

            correction- the WORST thing is you cannot get rid…… they just get reassigned. Look at the Strock clown from the FBI. He is now in the human resources department !!! Are you kidding me?

          • jaybird

            He should have been fired so he cannot get another job ever. A lot are suspended and then come back to the same position (VA).

          • Steve Crawford

            There is no need for a union in the federal government? It is a sham and the tax payers are paying for it. However, both political parties have crooked politicians, but ignorant voters keep voting for them and expect changes.

          • Matlonc

            Check my comments again- I think we are both saying the same thing. I don’t think government workers need to have a union. They already benefit from having everything paid for by their fellow citizens so they should NEVER be allowed to strike-if indeed they can. I live in Indiana and one of the previous governors-Mitch Daniels- privatized medicare or medicaid and they actually no longer lose money. Sadly people will complain how the private sector is only in it to make a profit, but when that is the goal is usually comes with much, much better care and/or service since they now have to compete. Hope that clears it up.

        • ffajaz681

          I belonged in a union in ILL but they never did a thing for me. I moved to AZ and union wanted me to join but make better money not in the union, if you are good at your job and not a dumbass lazy person who needs someone to hold your hand you can go as far as you want. I had the pension, 401K, healthcare, etc and if I did not like what I was getting paid just look elsewhere and if you are good finding a better job is easy, but I know the snowflakes need someone to hold there hand. Look at all that want $15/hr for starter jobs, go to school and learn then get a good job not flipping burgers etc. Hell a had a nightclub in WI and waitress would make min. wage and $100 to $300 in tips a night hell even has some who could walk out with over $500 a night. So get to the top of your job and you dont have to PAY some ASS to llobby for your wages for not doing a good job

        • Lakshmi

          Most unions have been taken over by ORGANIZED CRIME.

        • Krazeehors

          Yes, and it was James R. Hoffa, Jr., who has largely destroyed the Teamsters. Almost EVERY trucking company used to be Union. Now, hardly ANY of them are.

          It was James R. Hoffa, Jr. who stood at the lectern in 2012 (and in 2008) and stated that “all Republicans should be killed,” along with “anyone who didn’t support Ovomit.”

      • Same for the DumAss Party… had some good ideas at one time… but once those were accomplished, went perverted to have something new to sell and force on us…

        • Delia Holloway

          Ame

        • shortround

          Let me tell you something buzz man ! When I returned from Viet Nam and ets’d. I couldn’t buy a job anywhere. The year was 1971. All the no good hippies and their draft dodging parents had everything tied up. I ended up putting a application in to a union sheetmetal shop. The law said that they had to hire a couple of Veterans. So, I scored high and got into the apprenticeship. I am not saying that all unions are good, because a lot of them have dead beats that think they cannot begotten rid of. Not so in the sheetmetal union that I was in. I don’t care if you have 30 yrs in, if you don’t work you get your pink slip just like that. Nothing is more fair than that. Also the union apprenticeship provided me with an education in every aspect of the sheetmetal industry. From layout, to fabrication to all the types of welding, safety procedures, air balancing, estimating. And our union provides throughout the year numerous classes in many areas of the sheetmetal industry so that you can better yourself. When we worked we earned a good wage. Some of our monies were put into a retirement, some into health insurances, so there are a lot of benefits of belonging to the unions. You and poor ed have got it all backwards though, it is the giant companies that want to work people for the least that they have to pay. And they feed you dumb as—- just enough of that none union crap to suck you in. And they got you two that’s for sure. And look, there is a big difference between a homeowners association and a local union !!! And like George did, If you don’t like the rules move or if you don’t like the unions, go find a non-union job. Just like the muslims in this country, if you don’t like our constitution, go back where you came from. This country is over filled with a bunch of over grown cry babies and belly achers. And I for one am sick, and I’m not leaving, so put that in your pipe and smoke it !!!!!

          • wayne g dearry

            HEY YOU GOT MY VOTE PAL–RIGHT ON

          • Grandpa

            UNIONS WERE GREAT WHEN FRIST STARTED THE WORKERS CONROLED THEM >>NOW THE LAWYERS AND GOVERMENT CONTROLS MOST >>WE HAVE NO MORE JOHN L. LEWISES OR UNION REPS WHO HAVE THE WELFARE OF THE WORKERS AT HEART AS THEY SOME OF THIER DEMANDS FO HIGHER WAGES IS MORE THEN THE OWENERS CAN AFFORD AND STAY IN BUSINESS SORRY BUD BUT THEY NEED TO OFFER MORE BEEBFITS THAT ARE NOT TAXABLE AND MAKE FOR A BETTER LIFE OF THE WORKERS

          • shortround

            Hey grandpa, are these owners that can’t afford to stay in business because of their workers demand for higher wages the same owners that are living in million dollar mansions, with a summer cottage on some island, with a private jet, and paying their executives hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses each year for finding ways to beat back those that are trying to get a little bigger pc. of the cake. I’ not saying that there is something wrong with being rich, but there comes a time when the rich just want more and more and they don’t care how they get it or who they hurt. While I was going through my apprenticeship program our international union had obtained some movies from a large group of companies that was hell bent on breaking all unions. Some of the tactics that they were suggesting scared me. Don’t just think that the unions have such a group of bad boys, those that hate unions that work for big companies do also. And “gizmolgist,” if you are such a professional with audio visual presentations, why don’t you just plug in to the electrical outlet yourself. And guys just remember, if it wasn’t for the unions that drove up the wages a little you would all be working for peanuts. And I don’t care how good you think you are. There will come a time when some yah hoo will tell your boss that he can do your job better than you for less wages and then your gone with no one having your back. Good luck when that time comes and believe me it will !! Maybe while you guys are worrying about the unions, the illegals will move in and take your job, which you planned on giving to your children or they may give it to a muslim that can’t speak English. You never know !! Anyway, Happy Trails !!!

          • Ruth

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          • harold

            OH YES; John Lewis took the miners out on strike during WW2, when our young men were dying for materials. Quite a hero?

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          • gizmologist

            In my 40+ year career in professional audio visual presentations, we handled all the AV equipment requirements for hundreds of conventions and dfrom every conceivable business and every medical discipline. Our involvement with unions was a MAJOR pita as every last one -electricians, exhibit aids labor, carpenters, pipe-fitters, porters and the list goes on and on, would seriously over load the actual necessary labor force and impose ridiculous time and break regulations. This is why so much of America now detests unions.

            Here is just one example from a convention from 1990. If we had a meeting where a single TV monitor and a VHS deck were used in the Las Vegas Convention center we had to have a porter type guy roll the cart containing the equipment to the room and then his job was done, Then here comes the AV union’s guy to set it all up BUT he cannot plug it in. He sits and waits until an electrician and or an apprentice shows up to do that.

            If we had two monitors fed from one deck, now we had to have TWO guys to set it up and if they need an extension cord, yet another porter had to retrieve it from the show’s main office and hand it to the electrician who is still sitting around- on the clock.
            On any non-union show a single professional AV tech would easily handle everything and in about ten minutes. Multiply this scenario but an average of 45-60 rooms.

            That is why we detest having to use union personnel. They have also shown up dressed inappropriately, been known to mouth off to clients, show up late or not at all, be inexperienced for the equipment being used and just about every other NO! factor you could have.

          • Linda

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          • Krazeehors

            My dad was in the Teamsters Union as a Long Haul Trucker. After driving SIX MILLION MILES over a 40 year career, he hit some black ice, his truck jackknifed, and he had a wreck. In investigating the wreck, my parents PROVED that his rig had been SABOTAGED — my dad told me “I just had a feeling that I should put my seat belt on that day when I left the yard,” something he normally did not do until he was on the road.

            What my parents found was that the post/holder/mechanism of the driver’s seat in his cab had been severely tampered with — to the point that it was hanging on by a thread after the wreck. Had it broken off, as the saboteur’s planned, the seat would had have gone through the windshield, my dad would have been run over by his own truck, and he would have been killed instantly.

            Because he had a wreck, his company fired him immediately. At the grievance hearing, the hearing officer told my folks that he had NEVER seen a case so carefully and accurately prepared, and my dad got his job back.

            All to no avail. The Teamster’s Union BLACKBALLED my dad so that he could NEVER get another union job. Then, he was left with NO choice but to spend the rest of his career driving for the witch who owns Werner Trucking. After that, he drove miners to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, until cancer took his life in 1996.

            So, SOME unions are great. The union I am speaking of SUCKS!! I watched them destroy my dad’s career, so I don’t have a real high opinion of them.

          • shortround

            I totally agree with you and I am truly sorry for your fathers experience. I’ve saw such things happen also. Sometimes we can’t control everything especially when we get on the wrong side of some people. Sometimes we have to stand by our ideals. I remember one such time when our union had an election of officers . God did not make me to cheat on anything, no matter how much it hurt me. One of my best friends was a business agent that was running and during the counting of the votes someone whispered to me that if I wanted to keep working I might want to overlook a few of the votes. And it wasn’t my friend that ask me. Well, my man lost. But I wasn’t depending on him to keep me busy. My work record stood for its self. I just wish things could be different. I’ve had friends that have worked hard, I mean real hard, all their lives and end up having pretty much nothing when it was all over. Sometimes things just don’t seem to be fair as they should be. But, I know some day they will be better, when my Savior comes back. And He is coming back and it won’t be long. The book of Revelation tells us that those things that are going on in this world right now is just the beginning of the end. There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun. We do have a choice ! I pray that you make the right one. God Bless !!!

          • Krazeehors

            Thank you. Blessings on you as well.

            And, were I that homeowner, I wouldn’t take down the sign, either.

          • barnjoer

            Good for you. But in today’s times there is NO PLACE for the unions except in the trash!!!
            In my opinion 75% of all unions workers are UNDER worked and OVER paid. The company I work for here in Texas is also in 10 other states. I have worked storms all over the country. It don’t matter what is going on or who is in trouble when it comes time for brake they take it. When it is their time is up they quit. That is BShit!! When people are without power and in need you don’t quit till the power is back on!! I have worked my 8 hours here in Texas the drive to Oklahoma and worked 26 hours straight after getting there.
            🔫🇺🇸🇨🇱🤠

          • DrBarbara

            Sir, please let me thank you for your service! You vets and our military are the real heroes. God bless~~ and Welcome Home!

          • Steve Crawford

            All unions are not as effective as the one you are a member of. The Teacher unions have caused the public schools in the US to become ineffective with the BS tenture that bad teachers cannot be fired. It was the union that force the steel companies to move to Japan and other countries. Productivty and quality is not always a goasl for some unions. I only worked an average of 5.5 hrs per day on and 8 hrs shifts, the other times were breaks and lunch and preparing to quit my shift.

      • bill_v523

        Once upon a time their purpose was useful, but when you look at the history, they have all been corrupt from the start, if not at the top, certainly among the rank and file early on, and then ultimately at the top. Paying to work is ridiculous, but its not about paying to work, its about paying to keep a job you don’t have to work at…

        • Delia Holloway

          Amen!

        • RC

          In part I have to agree with you. I was a second generation in the Teamsters. My dad help organize local 692 in California and was a charter member, and a trustee. At that time and when I first joined in 1943 unions were an absolute must if a person wanted to make a living wage. Through the years things changed, and not always for the best. Speaking for myself, I retired in 1987. I’m still quite comfortable with a pension that pays more than most drivers in Arizona, where I now live, earn. When I retired my base pay was $31.55 per hour including benefits for moving heavy construction equipment. awhile back I talked to a non union driver who was doing the same work I did and he was getting $12.00 per hour. So even with their faults, which I’ll admit are many, labor unions really help make life better and have a place in our society.

          • jimshaw54

            It’s like everything else: Let The Buyer Beware. You can get a good Union, or a bad one. Maybe taking a job needs to depend on looking at how the Union operates. We lived where there was a large manufacturing company. The workers went on strike, at Union urging, and I doubt the workers ever made up enough in higher wages to compensate for the wages they lost during the duration of their strike.

        • shortround

          Make up your mind billy. You say they have ALL been corrupt from the start. But you also said once upon a time their purpose was useful. Make up your mind. I belonged to the union for years, and I didn’t agree with everything they done, but I never once had to pay to work, the companies always paid me a good wage, because I knew my job as a sheet metal journeyman and I worked hard. I think most of you nonunion guys are just a little jealous that the unions wouldn’t accept you or something like that. And for the guy that likes to suck, you need to exhale for a while, it will balance out your sucking. Have a nice day !!

          • bill_v523

            Purpose and reality are not the same – so no confusion here. My experience in union paid much lower than earnings for same job in open shop, with better benefits in open shop, not stuck waiting for someone to die to get a raise or move up to next level pay skill and raise like in union because the union quota was filled. Too many times lazy workers did things they should have been fired for but union dues helped them keep their jobs with no incentive for them to do better. Union nowadays ~ socialism – socialism is for lazy suckers. Never have been jealous of union and have worked with thousands of non-union workers who likewise were and are not jealous. Union dues = pay for job. Open shop 24.73/hr + great benefits in 2002 to 15.32/hr closed shop – crummy benefits and had to pay union dues – also no choice, it was union or find another job elsewhere, which I eventually did 🙂 – oh no choice in politics either, the closed shop you had to go along with the union choice, no freedom there, its a type of indentured servitude.

          • shortround

            You are exactly right about purpose and reality. They are not the same. Purpose is an intention, while reality is a real event. How can their intentions be, to be useful, yet they have all been corrupt from the start !! I’ll need to study that one a little longer. Anyway billy bob, Good luck with your non-union pitch. You know what, it is people like you that toss around big words like indentured servitude and socialism lazy workers and your big ideas that make me want to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I’d be a rich man !!! Have a nice day !! By the way, how do you get anything done on your non-union job if all you do is watch the lazy suckers. Also, how much retirement will you get a month when you retire ? Will you have to work until you are 75 or 80. Or are you paying into a 401 and the company is matching it. Good Luck buddy !

          • bill_v523

            I get it that you are confused shorty – or perhaps its the same old thing that a staunch union advocate will never admit to the faults and shortcomings of the union and ignore its history. About 150 years ago people with purpose put into documents and charters their grievances and demands, much of it good and necessary to address the poor working conditions and pay and often times outright atrocities of their employers – but deceit among rank and file members started very quickly sometimes before the unions were firmly organized – and those corrupt people managed to climb the union ladder to leadership positions. No doubt you are too lazy to pick up a dictionary hence quick to snarl at “big words”. As for “By the way, how do you get anything done on your non-union job if all you do is watch the lazy suckers.” That is nothing but an outright fallacy for only a fool is unaware of his environment and surroundings while on the job, however, if you are lazy, you don’t have to pay attention, but you do have to pay for your job (union dues).

          • shortround

            Hey billybob, you never did tell me how much you are going to make when you retire. Will you have to get on assistance like all these other poor fools that work all their life for a non union company. In fact most all the people I know right now that work for non union companies are on food cards, medical cards, having their heat bills and electric paid and many more of those things that their non union companies expect the government to pick up while the company buys a new yacht, a new summer home and so many other things from the money they saye from cheating their workers out of pay. Hey look billybob, you can count your blessings that you have a good paying job. I’m sure you are a very good worker, in fact you have said that you are. Just make sure you put about 1/2 of your paycheck in you and the companies 401. Because. Next week your bosses son may have your job and there ain’t nothing you can do about it. And any way if those that are making the most money, and are paying more federal taxes. Then you will be able to retire and support yourself with government help. Have a nice day bb

          • bill_v523

            Hey shortage, not sure where you get billybob from, if I had to guess it would be the union tells you what to say. Same old union spew about money that only the union can save you and secure your future. I know plenty of union hands on welfare too shortage, statistically its probably even among working class. Every free day I don’t have to pay to work is a nice day shortage.

          • shortround

            Howdy again billy bob, I have never paid any contractor to work…. I have paid into my union, for representation for me and my fellow workers, for training facilities, for my retirement, and benefits and for our business agents that help run down jobs and who help out the contractors. Our union and our contractors work together for the good of each other. Owners and workers, working together. Listen I retired on disability in 1990 and I was making $22.00 an hour. I haven’t even checked to see what they are making an hour now. And this is 18 years later. I don’t care as long as I get my nice big retirement check from my local union and one from my international union. Plus social security, and my wife’s social security. Plus my VA benefits, we are living pretty darn good. Thanks be to God and the union !! Have a nice day young man !!!!

      • Michael Dennewitz

        The UN sucks, the HOA sucks, and now, UNIONS SUCK! 😁😂🤣

        • RC

          Jeez, man you’re really into sucking things, aren’t you? But I’ll agree with you about the UN and HOA.

      • Delia Holloway

        Amen!

      • RC

        You sir, don’t know what you’re talking about. I was a Teamster for 41 years. I retired in 1987 and am still comfortably retired. How about you? Obviously you’re non union and don’t have a clue. I will admit that the unions, all of them, need to be cleaned up and get back to what they were originally meant to be. You obviously live in Arizona. A ‘right to work’ state. That right to work thing is a bunch of BS and if you don’t know it you really should do some looking around. Many in Arizona aren’t making a decent wage. Having talked to people who do the same work I did, moving heavy equipment, I know that for a fact.

        • Traveller62

          I think what they are talking about is the early Teamsters and the corruption that prevailed in the organization. I do not think the Teamsters are that corrupt now.

          • RC

            The really early Teamsters were the ones who did right. Then came people like Hoffa and others. I remember when my dad was working himself to death driving. On his days off he, and others would be out at night talking other drivers into organizing. Things went to hell sometime after I started in the profession and I’ll be the first to admit much of it should be looked into. The problem I think we have now, is that people running the locals are in the last job they’ll have. They get very good salaries and retirement, then retire. One problem the Teamsters had, and probably still have is that the drivers are on the road. The people who work the docks and don’t even have class A licenses are the ones who attend meetings, so they pretty much dictate what those who the locals are actually supposed to represent get. I don’t know the answer but wish I did. And of course I traded my lantern and blanket for my own bed 30 years ago. Only a really oldtimer would know what I mean by that.

      • Terry Maloney

        I agree with you. Unions were formed with safety and just wages in mind, now
        unreasonable of what is just has made them into tools of twisted minds. The UCLA is an example of something that has outlived its time of need.

      • Steve Crawford

        Many top union officials get jobs in headquarter when they get voted out of office or their term expires. Many unions are responsible for jobs lost.

    • Zelda777

      Agree 100%

      • Teresa Barrows

        I do too… is that the whole point of being a “HOMEOWNER” … so that you don’t have to live according to what someone else says?? I mean if you rent ya you have to do what the “property owner” says or move… based on that it would stand to reason that if “I AM THE OWNER” of the property, then I should have the right to decide “WHAT WILL OR WILL NOT” be place on my property…. if someone doesn’t like it… then so sorry but not look at it then…. the offended can always ignore it, after all I should it it wouldn’t be the first time that he/she did.

        • Alan Winters

          except: what you do can damage a whole neighborhood. It’s like drilling a hole in the bottom of a lifeboat under YOUR seat. However, in this case they are improving the neighborhood. The petty dictators who run their homeowners association, should be up for a recall vote.

          • Teresa Barrows

            how can tell some one they don’t have the right to display his/her beliefs be an improvement…. what harm as Jesus every done to any of us… He gave his life for our sins…. I don’t think anyone should have the right to decide what I or anyone else should believe…. I personally believe in the Lord and our Savior Jesus… if I didn’t I wouldn’t be alive today!!!!

        • Kenneth Jones

          It is nobody’s business how we choose to decorate our home during the Christmas holiday.

    • Doxie

      Avoid HOA’s like the plague…in fact HOA’s ARE a plague. I know of one that even has regulations on the certain type of Christmas tree that can be placed in the home owner’s front window….the reason is uniformity to maintain a certain air?? Anyone else know of HOA’s with fatuous rules/regulations?? It seems many are run by cliques with a ”fearless leader”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d81c998221c420f672c84c80bb7c2fb0f567f463bdaa72836a756f0f8ccdb7c2.jpg

      • Kenneth Jones

        I do, and that’s why we decided to sell and get out after 18 years in the place.

      • Shecky

        Hmmm.. I live in a rural gated community with an hoa and I like it. We have great amenities like a club house nice restaurant with a saloon, golf course w/great restaurant, tennis and Pickleball courts, baseball/softball fields, two lakes for fishing and boating and miles of equestrian trails with a large equestrian center. We have our own Police Dept and because we are so large an area we have our own CSD (community services district) which we pay taxes into that keep up our private roads, sewer system for the homes on the lakes and all the amenities buildings.

        It also keeps our rural atmosphere RURAL…as you are allowed only 3 rail posted fencing (not block walls and white fencing). The horse arenas and surrounding areas must be kept up. You can’t have what amounts to be a junkyard, paint with high reflective values like some bright yellow (earth tones mostly), keep RVs covered and things that keep an area tidy.

        I know that some can be intrusive….but I look at common sense. I’d rather live within our rules that some of the areas outside of us. One home is kept up and the one next to it looks like a flop house. Horse property and ranches outside have a tendency to have an “air” about them and it isn’t good.

        I’ll take the minor nuisance of living under an HOA over having a neighbor that has crap piled up with rats crossing over to my property.

        • Johnny Rudick

          You have a benevolent HOA. Kinda like having a Benevolent King. But what if one arises that does not remember Joseph kindly?

          • Shecky

            Just saying. I lived in the first one for 27 years….we had a few problems, but nothing a few letters didn’t fix. If they were all so bad there wouldn’t be any HOAs. I like knowing the ranch next to mine can’t become a used car lot…or one of those stucco boxes can’t be built…properly maintained and kept up….
            We live within 10 miles and 17 miles of areas that were built on a similar basis that didn’t have an HOA. One of them has a golf course where at least 100 homes were built around it. The golf course was privately owned and the owner got to his ten year write off of taxes. Now the course is in disrepair and surrounding homes were sold off because they lost their value. The place which was once very nice is now a dump, property values on the outer edges dropped and bad elements moved in and crime came with it. The other one isn’t quite as bad, but wouldn’t want to live there.

        • tes d’aless

          that’s wonderful that you like your community. you know that isn’t always the case, some have so many ridiculous rules. a community near me had a man take down the flag???? he didn’t and it’s now in court and he says BRING IT ON – can you imagine the American flag is in question!

          • Shecky

            We are a very pro veteran, pro America and for 90% very conservative. Every area has its nut jobs, we just don’t have as high of a percentage as the cities south of us. And by chance if one of them speaks their mind they usually have it shot back at them by 10x’s their number.
            As far as American Flags being flown….every home has an American Flag flying….some more prominent than others. My self…I have a 30’ pole with a 5’x8’ Old Glory and 4’x6’ Marine 1st Bat Flag. My home sits on a brow of a hill…from my front porch I can view my flags and 6 others leading to a valley within a 1/2 mile. Five of those 6 are Vets like myself the sixth is a retired police officer. Under those flags are 16 horses, 8 mules, 10 goats, I don’t know how many chickens (lol) and 16 dogs. We aren’t your usual HOA, we have close to 1200 homes/ranches….just a bunch of old goats that think being a cowboy is fun. My back property holds 68 head of cattle…how many HOAs allow that? But we love where we are at.

          • Nidya R. Hernandez

            Sounds like a paradise. You have certainly been blessed by God. May you enjoy it for a very long time. Happy New Year.

          • ffajaz681

            That is what I am talking about

        • ffajaz681

          Sounds just Like Venezuela

          • Shecky

            Really? And I thought Venezuela was heading down the tubes as a socialist state. We are well off and don’t have the problems that other areas have. I’m a member of a group of about 60 that plays golf 4 days a week in a skins game. We sit around after a round, drink beer, square up on or skins AND laugh at all the areas we all came from. We live in a paradise and love the fact we don’t have to worry about trash ….whether it be physical or visual. It won’t last long here😎

    • Wayne Sayers

      Yes, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    • Kenneth Jones

      I couldn’t agree more! My wife and I owned a town house in San Jose, California until we sold it 15 years ago. The homeowners association were dictatorial in telling us that we couldn’t have guests who visited us for more that a week, even though they were family members. We also were told to remove a Christmas wreath from our front door. We refused to do that.

    • Matlonc

      Well done George. These people think they have some sort of power since we pay $50 or $100 a month or year fees. Sorry but the power is with the home owner and no HOA can change that…..

    • Vivi

      I also agree with you.

    • Lakshmi

      Secret servants of Satan (wolves in sheep’s clothing) have infiltrated, corrupted and stolen from almost every organization on planet earth. Jesus said to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing, and ye shall know them by their fruits. They are constantly seeking power, wealth and control of others. They are expert liars and deceivers.

    • Norman F Brown

      Good write up. I never cared for that kind of living. Your right it is dictatorship, like Obama’s rule. put me in the country, like I am now. Great !!

    • jaybird

      They may be “Dicktatorships” because not enough residents attend the meetings to vote on the rules.

    • george

      when purchasing a home in a condo or in an HOA one is given the by-laws and the covenants along with the Deed Restrictions prior to purchasing. SO, don’t buy a home there. This is exactly WHY each of us need to be active in the association and attend the meetings and make our vote count. Sounds like I’m talking about political parties doesn’t it. Well, that is also an arena where each voter needs to be actively participating. Does everyone even know who their US Congressman or state Congressman is?? What district do you live in?? Most of us do not. THE SQUEAKY WHEELS GET THE GREASE. GET SQUEAKING!!!

    • Krazeehors

      I could NOT agree with you MORE!!

  • John M

    “offensive” signs? But I’ve never seen a car pulled over with a trashy bumper sticker.
    I’d rather be saddled with the stigma of not being afraid to let people know that I am a person of faith. Rather than broadcast to the person in the vehicle behind me just what a pinhead I really am.
    HOA? Fancy way of saying that I’m willing to give up my constitutional rights and voluntarily subject myself to the whims and breezes of a small body of tyrants.

    “I don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.” Groucho Marx

  • Mike Massafra

    They apparently live in a place that has a homeowners association that is run by a group of gutless a__ holes. The homeowner association needs to read the U.S. Constitution.

  • Donald Lindsey

    Once again I say as an American, those who are OFFENDED by our ways, our customs, our flag, our rights in anyway should get their butts out of our nation, for hear we will say Merry Christmas, God Bless and Jesus is GOD. All including politicians, Illegals and radical muslims who believe that this Nation offends them. It is not the Nation that is offense but these people who believe that America should be changed to suit them. Therefore I say this “they are not Americans and need to leave here one way or the other”.

    USMC and sick and tired of this crap “it offends me living here” BULL SH*T.

    • Zelda777

      Definitely not Americans and that is our problem here too
      many illegals and foreigners trying to change our country!
      I say get the he– OUT!

      • slidenglide

        There are too many atheist. Somewhere along the way these people have lost or they never had a love or a fear of an all Mighty God. As Nikki Haley told the UN, “we will remember” and God will remember. I’d never want to live where there is a HOA. They think they’re a god.

        • Joan Ferrantesimplyme

          Nikki Haley, If you are looking for a woman President!! Nikki fits the bill!!

    • Daniel Pearson

      Donald, thank you for comment and feel the same way. This nation is going down hill or should jumping off a cliff. And thank you for service. Sometimes I wish I had stayed in the military as I was drafted in ’69 and would made a life out of it. Sure would not want be in the past 10 years. Thinking of relocating off shore. The state I live in we are unable to install a well or have wood burning stoves. The state gov. wants to control of everything and everyone. Best wishes.

      • Johnny Rudick

        I hope you do not mind me asking.
        Which state are you referring to?

        • Matlonc

          I say CA or Oregon. They think wood burning stoves contribute to global warming. Maybe they didn’t get the memo but all the major studies were frauds and the climate has not changed in over 10 years from a temperature standpoint.

          • slidenglide

            I don’t believe that the terrible fires in CA will have any effect on the Climate. Thousands of acres burning, but the climate stays the same. How in the name of everything that’s holy can Man make a difference?? It isn’t happening. It’s all a Liberal hoax to ruin America. .

          • Nidya R. Hernandez

            And people like Al Gore making money with his BS books on climate change.

          • Johnny Rudick

            Thanks. I was wondering which other state is trying to make it impossible to drill a water well.

      • Matlonc

        Gotta be California or Oregon ????

    • Traveller62

      Hey Marine!! Semper Fi from the AF!! I read an article last year about this HOA that tried banning a WWII vet from flying the American flag in his front yard on Veteran’s Day. He collected all the relevant information needed to confront the HOA about the proper way to fly a flag, took it to the “boss”, showed him where IN THEIR OWN RULES it is acceptable to fly one 24/7, and threatened the government on them (he being a vet) if they did not back down. They backed down. Thank you for your service, son!! I am an Oathkeeper and would do it all again.

      • Nidya R. Hernandez

        I read that same article. Good for him. I agree with you and thanks to all the service men. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. God bless.

      • Donald Lindsey

        Thank you

    • Sandra Holstein

      I totally agree! If you come to this country, you adapt we don’t. If you won’t adapt, you can leave.

      • Nidya R. Hernandez

        I agree. I like the Australian President who said that anyone coming to his country better learn English and respect their laws and traditions as they respect their religions and traditions and if they don’t like it get out. Nobody asked them to go there. We should have that here in America. Australia refuses to print applications, etc. in other languages so immigrants have to learn English. And why hasn’t the English language been declared the official language of America??? For years I have been getting petitions to sign to make it so and nothing happens. I always sign them and mail them back but I stopped because it is probably BS scheme to make money. Happy New Year, may all your wishes come true.

      • Donald Lindsey

        Wee give them transport back at 30,000 then let them jump without parachutes

    • PDPIPER

      Amen, U.S. Air Force Aldo with the US. Marine Corps and US. army!

    • Matlonc

      Perfectly stated and thanks for your service. In the good old days people came to this country to be like us and become americans. Now they come here to take advantage of our system and live in their own private communities with the laws from the countries they left. Like trump or not he has saved this country from being overrun and turning into europe. Immigration without assimilation is basically an invasion. Build the damn wall and only let people in who love this country and want to participate, chip in, work, learn the language, get educated, be employed, and be part of a community. If not then stay the hell out !

      • Donald Lindsey

        Thank you

    • Alan Winters

      and Happy Chanukah!

    • COMPU-TRON

      Not much of a 1st amendment fan, I see.

      • Donald Lindsey

        Those who claim offended by the US are not Americans and has no rights under the Constitution moron

        • COMPU-TRON

          Absolutely not true, Nazi

          • Donald Lindsey

            The Nazi idiot is you, you are so ignorant and totally stupid to know anything

          • COMPU-TRON

            Nice attempt at English, Nazi. Why don’t you try and explain the 1st Amendment?

          • Donald Lindsey

            1st Amendment are for true Americans not illegals, radical muslims and traitors to the US

          • COMPU-TRON

            I said no buzzwords, Nazi. Try again

  • homer1057

    I’D tell them to take a hike: That is why I vow to never get involved w/a home owners ass…..tion! Besides, signing on to the association does NOT mean I leave my GOD Given Christian values at the front gate!

  • melmack 1

    Ah the power hungry aholes in charge grabbing more !!!

  • Jenny

    Up until 1886 celebrating Christmas was against the law because it is pagan.

    https://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

    II. How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?

    A. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

    B. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).

    • Wes

      Traditions change over time and I think that’s exactly what happened with Christmas. Holidays become a homogenization of both religious and secular beliefs. These combinations become the standard by which communities and nations celebrate.
      To me, I’m okay going along with the flow, so to speak. Christmas, has the tree, decorations, Santa, presents, the birth of Jesus, and so on, all wrapped together. Personally, it’s what’s hidden behind these holidays that’s important and if you look for real answers, they can be found. Yes, Christmas came out of the past. The blending of pagen and Christian beliefs. You can look at that, dismiss these holidays as fake, or you can look beyond and search for some real meaning to it all. Was Jesus born on December 25th, probably not. Who is he and why he came are far more important than debating whether Christmas is legitimate or not. Almighty God came to earth in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, to die for our sins, but he rose from the dead, to give you and me Eternal Life, if we would only accept Him by faith.

      • Jenny

        We have to accept Jesus Christ by faith because He is not with us now.
        Jeremiah speaks of the cutting down of a tree and decorating it with silver and gold.

        ” Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”

        https://www.cgg.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BQA/k/188/Does-Jeremiah-Describe-Christmas-Tree-Jeremiah-102-5.htm

        Does Jeremiah Describe a Christmas Tree in Jeremiah 10:2-5?

        Although these scriptures picture the carved idols of Jeremiah’s time, they are also an accurate description of the Christmas tree we are familiar with today. The practice Jeremiah wrote about was a custom (verse 3) and was associated with “the signs of heaven” (verse 2)—just as Christmas today is a custom and is associated with the winter solstice. People today do not normally associate Christmas with the winter solstice, but that does not change its pagan origin.

        Even though these scriptures no doubt had an application to the customs practiced some 2500 years ago, we must keep in mind that the book of Jeremiah is primarily prophecy. Just as with other prophecies, this was written for our time, to our people, and referring to the common customs of the modern world! For instance, Jeremiah also accurately describes such things as hot-cross buns for Easter (Jeremiah 7:18), and Ezekiel sees a vision of worship very much like sunrise services (Ezekiel 8:16)!

        We should especially note that cutting down and setting up a tree is termed “the way of the Gentiles [heathen, KJV].” We are commanded not to learn or follow that way (verse 2). This whole passage clearly tells us that using a tree in this manner is idolatry. The basic commandment against idolatry, of course, is found in Exodus 20:4-6. If we try to honor God through any sort of idol or icon, we are guilty of breaking this commandment.

        • Nidya R. Hernandez

          I am no expert but didn’t the New Testament change all this? I am a Catholic and I wear a crucifix around my neck with the body of Jesus on it. And how can that be idolatry if it is about Jesus and also having an image (picture or statue) of Him? All these items do is remind us of Him and make us feel closer to Him and show the world that we do not hide our belief in Him. Are you a Jehovah Witness.

          • Traveller62

            There are more of us out there than you think who are starting to put 2+2 together when it comes to the background of Christmas. All one has to do is a little digging into the history OF Christmas, go ALL the way back to its pagan beginnings, and how the RC church blended the pagans into the church to get more members. As a result of a little negotiating with said pagans, the church said they could keep their festivals at that time of year, thus “deciding” that Jesus our Lord was born on December 25th, when they didn’t know that in the first place. No one knows when Jesus was born. One has to do the digging on their own to find this out, as the RC hierarchy does not like to talk about it. Your own priest won’t talk about it, or if he does, it’s extremely vague. Look for yourself. Go ALL the way back. I wish you luck.

        • Wes

          Wow, Jenny you sure dig into the Old Testament laws. I don’t know of anyone who worships the Christmas tree. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, but I believe that we need to see where we are today in relation to God’s plan revealed down through the ages of time, or God’s dispensations.
          As the Apostle Paul refers to our time as the Dispensation of Grace.
          My focus is on the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, his person as the unique God-man, and his work of redemption, shedding his blood paying our penalty for sin, which is eternity in Hell, giving us the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit, hence, power to overcome the old sin nature now, and ultimately from the presence of sin, which means being with God throughout eternity in Heaven.

      • Jenny

        It’s still idol worship. Time and tradition are changing men and women into transexuals, thanks to the Jews. Do you think this is a good thing? In time, they will have people believing that pedophilia is a good thing, too.

        http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

        The Communist Takeover Of
        America – 45 Declared Goals

        Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

        24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

        25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

        26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

        27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

        28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

        Who do you think made Christmas legal in the USA? It wasn’t for the sake of Jesus Christ!

    • bttrap

      what happened after 1886?

    • Lee Martinsen

      You’re completely ignorant, or maybe STUPID, if you believe this garbage.

      • Traveller62

        Lee, look up the history of Christmas. Go ALL the way back to the Feast of Saturnalia, and how the early RC church blended in the pagans to the church, bc they figured if they did that, there would be more members. That is true RC historical fact, but one HAS to go all the way back in history. No one knows when Christ our Lord was born, but the early church blended the pagans who wanted to join the church AND keep their pagan festivals with their constituents, and they “decided” that Jesus’s birthday would be on December 25th, thus keeping the festivals around that date. Buddy, just look it up. The RC church does not like to talk about it, but it is true history when it comes to Christmas. Yes, Jesus is the reason for the season, and the actual spirit OF Christmas indicates the spirit of giving, like He did for us on the cross. Jenny is right about the Feast of Saturnalia. Pagan 100%. Google it. I wish you well.

  • Ruckweiler

    Just on principle I’d fight these petty tyrants.

  • Jozef Oravecz

    Pretty simple don’t buy a home, in an area that has a Home Owners Association. My home is in an Industrial area, and some fool tried to make our neighborhood into a home owners association. I said, Right and I am sure you think you would be the Right person to be the President of the HOA. I said why would want to be part of a Home Owners Association? 1.) I put whatever plants/flowers I wish in my yard. I don’t care if it pisses off my neighbors and surely don’t even like people telling me what to do with my home or yard. 2.) I do NOT like you, I think you are a JERK and think you are just trying to find a way to control me. 3.) And then, who decides what fees are charged and what those fees are used for? I see this as an attempt for you to get a paycheck off the backs of you’re neighbors. This is what I told the fool. Just before I told him: “Go ahead try and do this! I’ll pull you’re sorry ass into court and sue you. Now, get the ‘F’ off of my property.”

    • MBounce

      The difficulty here is that there are almost NO areas that don’t have an HOA or its equivalent, depending on what state is involved. Certainly in large metropolitan areas, ALL or almost all of the property is covered by some HOA.

      My experience is that you DO NOT “sign on” for the HOA, if you purchase the property, somehow, you are automatically IN the HOA. You certianly don’t get a chance to “opt out” of the HOAs. How someone can sell you a piece of property and then tell you what to do with it afterwards is just beyond me.

      • Johnny Rudick

        Exactly! I bought a home on an island and found out I was now the proud member of a HOA. One of the few good ones though. Yet as soon as I could I sold and got out. Not sticking around for things to change.

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      Hooray for you.

  • Calvin King

    Never, never move into a neighborhood that has a HOA. It is normally run by a bunch of busy bodies who have nothing better to do than harass those who refuse to conform to what they believe is neighborhood enhancements. I was sued by one, as I did not know what a HOA was having been in the military for thirty-five years, because my roof on my retirement home did not conform to their standard. I fought them, had documentation on my side, threatened a counter suit for big money and the DOA backed down. I had no more trouble with them. I hope these people do the same. Be happy to contribute to their legal costs if necessary.

  • robert sanders

    That home owners acc. would be history, if they said that to me.

    • bttrap

      they should put up a pitcher of the devil and on it H.O.A

  • dan

    I hope he is a lawyer or one will respond and represent him Pro Bono

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      Maybe make this go viral and focus attention to these HOAs. Good subject for the media to focus on but they are too busy making up fake news about Trump to get him impeached. But God is with him because he didn’t turn his back on Isreal.

  • downs1

    These folks in the HOA don’t need to worry about the Wivells; they need to worry about their own denial of Jesus before men. Jesus said, “Whoever denies Me before men, I will deny him before My Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 10:33). These folks who do not believe there is a God, nor that Jesus is the incarnate Son of God, Whose miraculous birth we celebrate at Christmas, nor that He Himself is the Second Person in the Godhead, will be stunned when they stand before Him in judgment at the Great White Throne! (Revelation 20:11-15). It will be too late then! Eternity is a long time to contemplate your “foolishness!” “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God!'” (Psalm 14:1).

    • Traveller62

      AMEN!

  • Mike W

    You want to talk Nazi’s – HOA’s NOW theres your NAZIS

  • Andrew Kent Jaussi

    This is the main reason that I will never live in an area “governed” by an HOA. “when someone gets a little authority, as they suppose, they immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion over the souls of men.” These are no different. Nameless bureaucrats that want to stomp everything into the ground that they do not like. Hope you all are listening out there. Have a good day.

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      But they don’t obey their own rules. They do whatever on their homes. I have seen that happen to friends and family who live in these HOA Nazis run communities.

  • appsptspcl

    The Wivell’s need to give the HOA the very lawsuit that the HOA claimed they want to avoid.

  • TrueAmerican

    I’m NOT religious at all and believe 99.9% of the religious views are B.S. But DO NOT tell me what I can or cannot do on MY PROPERTY. this is AMERICA, the HOA can go to HELL peacefully or I will send them there my self, it’s their choice.

  • John

    It is offensive that the HOA is against freedom of religion and symbols. I would prepare for lawsuit. Call the ACLJ to get them involved in the violation of the 1st Amendment. Leave that symbol of our Lord up!! Your choice of Christian images is none of their business!!!

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      I agree. ACLJ can help.

  • Traveller62

    That is exactly WHY I do not live in a HOA neighborhood. Dictatorships I call them. You can’t work on your car in the driveway. You can only have certain colors you can paint your house. A certain amount of animals in the back yard, etc……….I’d rather have a home where my friends are in “low places” than a high-falutin’ HOA neighborhood. I am not a redneck, but am “down-home” country. Just stay away from HOA’s.

  • rocky63

    Home owners associations are a scourge and are bullies in action. For 20 years I lived in a community with an HOA. Their list of “conventions” was lengthy, but they were very often not adhered to. Over time, I began to realize the the most frequent violators of the rules were HOA BOARD MEMBERS and OFFICERS. They enforced the rules on others, but seemed to think that THEY were above their own rules.

    When I was asked to join the board after living there about 18 years, I foolishly agreed to do so. I thought I might help to reduce the number of petty charges the HOA made against homeowners who were doing no harm. After some time I found myself assigned as the board member to resolve a dispute between two homeowners. The “violation” was so petty it was silly to even talk to them about it. One of the owners had a run-off drain about 4 inches wide and 2 inches deep, to drain rain water from his low backyard. The neighbor claimed that 2″ of the 4″ wide drain was on his property for the last 2 feet of the length of the drain. This caused NO PROBLEM, NO DAMAGE and no reason to demand the drain be moved. I decided the complainer was unreasonable and had no real issue and removed myself from the board. The HOA decided to ignore the issue and when I moved away about 2 years later, the drain remained unchanged and was still doing NO damage to anyone. The HOA did nothing to help anyone.

  • Charles Wolfe jr

    Don’t bend to that HOA. They will be flooded with support for Christ !!! I would sell that home & move to a place that stands for Christ !!!

  • More CLICKBAIT from this website… Homeowner’s Associations have SIGN RULES !!! Don’t buy into one if you don’t want to follow the rules intended to maintain home values/prices…

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      Well, why don’t they follow their own rules? There are some good HOA of course. But these others are not fair and I don’t believe they are really so worried about home values/ prices. Why do you always complain about CLICKBAIT on this website. Yet, you are always here. HAPPY NEW YEAR.

  • lha

    I moved into a community with by-laws,but no HOA. I bought a horse after talking to my next door neighbors. The lots were an acre or more,and had a distance between homes. I kept the horse,a very gentle and friendly Arabian Stallion very clean and daily cleaned up the manure. A neighbor across the street complained,though their next door neighbor had a very nice Quarter horse. Since there was no HOA,my neighbor along with one down the street[there were only 7-8 homes on the street which was a dead-end] incorporated and formed a HOA corporation. After reviewing the by-laws,my neighbor and I were the only ones who complied,as it stated that all houses must be onsite built structures and all others were “manufactured” homes,or trailers. This caused a storm of controversy and all objections were dropped,as the by-laws also allowed one horse as long as a fence and shelter were provided. HOAs do not have to be a dictatorship.

    • Traveller62

      True, but the people who start up the things turn into dictators, with the power going to their heads. It is indeed a power trip.

  • HIMProductions

    “JESUS” IS THE *REASON* FOR THE *SEASON* !!!

    IF YOU ‘HATE GOD’ > GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY > LIKE THE *DEMONIC ISLAMIC* MIDDLE EAST !!!

    ONLY GOD CAN “DELIVER’ ALL THOSE *ENSLAVED* TO THE **DARK-SIDE** !!!

    “WE THE PEOPLE” ARE *TAKING BACK* THE UNITED STATES FROM THE *ABYSSSS* OF THE (OBAMANATIONS) *PREVIOUS 8 YEARS*!!

    • Traveller62

      AMEN!

    • C. Derr

      I totally agree HIMProductions. We the people are taking back our country because the silent majority has finally spoken. The polititions hate it and the left hate us but we are right.

    • Joan Ferrantesimplyme

      Great post!! You bet its WE THE PEOPLE!!!!

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      Amen MAGA.

  • ol jim

    These things are a real joke. When we lived in AZ, I built a million dolla. Home in an exclusive area. As it was being built, the HOA came over to me and asked to see what paint colors the owner wanted to paint his house, I showed them tree colors he liked. They told me in no uncertain terms what he was allowed to do with his house. I told him what they said and he told me to tell them to go to hell its his house and his money. Next time they came there were three of them. They tried to give me a hard time about it and I told them” look he is a multi millionare and you guys are nothing more then a little group of guys that think you can push people around and he is rich enough to buy and sell you and all you group anytime of the day. Now you tell me who is going to win this, a group of nobodies or a very rich man?” They said, well, He is the home owner so he can paint it one of those three colors you showed us before. Guess money talks.

  • Walter Flatt

    I WOULD NEVER BUY A HOME IN A PLACE WHERE I DID NOT HAVE FULL AUTHORITY ON THINGS SUCH AS THIS. I WONDER IF THAT IS WHY THEY HAD SO MANY FIRES IN CALIF. YOU DO KNOW THAT IN ALL CASES WHERE GOD GOT INVOLVED, THINGS WERE DESTROYED BY EITHER, FIRE, EARTHQUAKES OR WATER AND BOY HAVE WE HAD A MESS THIS YEAR.

    • Traveller62

      Read Matthew 24. Right up the alley of the end times. Jesus told the apostles what would happen right before He came back, and from all the hurricanes, fires, and earthquakes in diverse places, it sure looks that way.

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      OHhhh. I so agree with you. I believe California is being punished for their many sins, gangs, drugs, alcoholism, sex addiction and umpteen marriages and divorces. So many people have moved out because of all this and their liberal judges and liberal approach to crime.

  • jim

    hold on freedom of speech is a powerful tool

    • Traveller62

      For which the liberals are trying to strip.

  • MBounce

    HOAs can be defeated. You will have to spend some money(maybe serious money), but it can be done. Getting others in the HOA that do not agree with the NAZIs in charge, is a very good start. Attend every meeting and propose rules that work for everyone, not just for some old biddy that thinks she owns the place.

    • Traveller62

      AND let your voice be heard at every meeting.

  • Mrs. O

    Jesus said people would be persecuted in His name and it’s finally come to that. Hold strong everyone and don’t let anyone keep you from praising Jesus and honoring Him on His birthday.

    • Michael Dennewitz

      Praise God…and PASS THE AMMUNITION…😁😂

      • Traveller62

        Yes SIR!!

    • Traveller62

      Or what we THINK is his birthday. Ya gotta go back in history for that one, way back, as no one knows exactly when He was born.

      • Johnny Rudick

        And there is a reason for that too. :-/

      • Nidya R. Hernandez

        Some say He was born in April. It is still Christmas, so MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy New Year.

        • Traveller62

          I have actually heard it was in October.

  • Phyllis Rasmussen

    I enjoyed reading all of your comments WOW glad I don’t live with a home owners association. However I do live in Humboldt Co, Ca. and I have a well on a piece of property that I had to seal and pay the powers that be a yearly cost to prove it is still sealed.

  • Roger Peabody

    If anyone caved to this sort of anti Christian blather it is their own fault. We are allowed to
    exhibit our sentiments as freedom of expression. Tell the neighborhood association to ‘go suck an egg’.

  • a fool

    The HOA receives Dues from all occupants without any Discrimination, it must NOT Discriminate against those whose Faith was the Founding Reason for the establishment of the FEAST Of Christmas Holiday’s ~ Vacation: TIME OFF FROM Work with pay! HOW Stupid are those people? They must all think with the seats of their pans! God help those Garbage Humans! They are unfit to be called HUMAN!

  • imbog

    my home owners annual dues went from $4oo a year to $ 1300 a year and went up EVERY year.. They always find a way to increase it EVERY YEAR,,,They make the rules and you enforce them…constant barking dog

  • CUZIN ERN

    What bout a case if it was named for JOE BLOW wrapped in swadlings?

    • joe

      …….or named for Barack Obozo?

  • Philip Allen

    I would say sue the Homeowners Association for violation of your 1st amendment rights given to us in the US Constitution. Unless there is a valid reason for Jesus not to be in your Christmas Decorations then I don’t see how they can make you take it down. A valid reason would be if it posed harm to someone, life or property. Obstruction of view such as on a corner of a busy intersection or was to cause a riot situation etc. Unless it specificly states in the homeowners rules that you cannot have Jesus in your Christmas Decorations or any other religious entity in the Christmas Decorations and it applies equally to everyone in the neighborhood then I am sure you would have a case of violating your US Constitutional Rights. Contact an Attorney for an expert opinion..

  • mistyl@windstream.net

    No one can tell You you cannot put up a sign that says Jesus. I would have replaced it with a Flashing Sign saying Jesus is the reason for the Season.I don’t know why People buy homes where they have to pay a HOA fee.You don’t like My Jesus sign don’t look at it.

  • Matlonc

    Screw em !! The left wing God haters had 8 years to TRY and destroy this country…….it is ours and GODS time now. May they go to hell and bless these people who do NOT have to remove the sign. HOA’s have NO power and the next time they bill these people for the monthly or yearly fee they should take their sweet time and send it back with a bible.

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      Perfect idea.

  • Vivi

    It is only offensive if you’re a heathen,atheist.America celebrates the birth of Jesus.If it offends you there’s the door.

  • Elena Bowman

    I’d find out who objected to the sign and make their lives miserable..so it’s not the Christian thing to do…If someone objects to Jesus they are not Christians either and I wouldn’t mind making them wish they had kept their disrespectful mouths shut. Then, of course they aren’t Christians and they are not Jewish either. I let you guess who and what they are without mentioning what ideology they believe in.

    • Traveller62

      Starts with m and ends with m.

      • Nidya R. Hernandez

        Yep.

      • Elena Bowman

        You got that right! Hope you had a Merry and Blessed Christmas…wishing you and yours a Happy and Wonderful New Year!

  • Mathematical certainty

    I just tell my HOA to FUCK-OFF! and challenge them to take me to court when I decorate with symbols of Jesus!

  • yankee clipper

    What a mean, stupid, childlike anti religion and asinine association!

  • tes d’aless

    that’s too damn bad that it “offended” someone – that’s why i hate those types of places. I lived in one and their rules were ridiculous. What if a menorah offeneded me should I ask others to take them down. bull crap – leave Jesus out there and let them take you to court. – it’s discrimmination.

    • Nidya R. Hernandez

      I agree.

  • Alan Winters

    I hope they have the cash and backing to take it to the US Supreme Court. AND I’m Jewish.

  • Robert Friedman

    If the individual home owners would come together – fight and unite – numbers move for what is genuine and right! You do not have to complain and or argue – you stand for G-d’s Given Rights and Who You Are – demand to be heard! Take the Action Needed. A New Year is Upon Us 2018 – We Must Rid Ourselves of What is Out-Lived: Political Parties and Cliches: Liberals – Conservatives – Independents – Congress and Senate – They Are All the Same – We Must Rid Our Nation of Evil Destruction and A New World Order – Come Together – Fight and Unite – Bring Congress Home – do you all know and understand what this means – Too Much Talk and No Action – Take Action Right Now – We are Still We The People – Than Let’s Act as One!! Rhoda Gelman

  • Robert Wayne

    I find these atheist groups OFFENSIVE.

    • Mike

      The article said nothing about some atheist group being behind this, maybe it was just some old lady not liking it opr not, my problem is that how dare anyone say what a person puts on their lawn is offensive especially at Christmas time when it is about the birth of Jesus. I live in an HOA and its great but not too many of us decorated for Christmas.

      • Robert Wayne

        I sincerely doubt it was some little old lady. Every time somebody starts yapping about a cross in a national cemetary or some high school kid mentioning God during a high school graduation, it’s always some atheist grouch complaining, and then they get some lawyer from the ACLU or some other left wing radical group to threaten the “offending” Christians with bankruptcy in front of a left wing activist judge.

  • Mike

    I just don’t get it. Where is the freedom of expression? If the person who may had been offended, then don’t look. This home owner had just as much right to put up that decoration as the person who may had been offended. This IS AMERICA and we celebrate Christmas which part of that celebration is remembering the birth of Christ. This Country is upside down

    • Traveller62

      It is called being “politically correct”. Being politically correct means you cannot control your emotions, thus everyone else has to do it FOR you.

      • Mike

        Let me get your feelings on this. Last week, around the 21st or 22nd I’m sitting here and I hear this loud music so I went outside and this truck, with Christmas lights on it and about 10 people walking behind the truck and it was playing, I guess, Christmas songs in Mexican, with loud speakers. I myself did not like it, this IS America and if you are wanting to drive down a street playing Christmas songs, it should be in English. If a person wants to put a sign or what ever that’s says “Jesus” no one has the right to force taking down that sign or display, or whatever

        • Traveller62

          Sounds like what you heard and saw was the way they celebrate Christmas in Mexico, with loud music and people walking behind a truck blaring music. Now I would have complained, if the music was too loud, considering what time it was when you heard it. Did they put in the right paperwork to do that kind of thing? Probably not. I would have called the police to tell them to tone down the blaring, stating the noise was too loud.

  • Robert Pescatore

    The sign is free speech and the people that are offended can always move if they don’t like Christian values.

  • Shelba Herring

    If this Jesus banner offends some atheist too bad, wonder who the atheist will call on when his time here on earth is done

  • oldwoman

    This is why I will NEVER buy in an area with a home owners association. Too much busybody bravo sierra and stupid shiza like this.

  • 3indigo13

    Soon they will want to abolish all birthdays.
    that is how crazy these libs are.

  • Lorraine E

    Congratulations to the Wivell’s! It is long past due to say no to what is called “politically correct” and is actually intended to be used as a tool remove Christianity and whatever else the liberals and elite decide to label as offensive. Americans need to completely ignore the PC controllers and just be concerned about that which is Morally Correct.

  • 1775concord

    HOA officers (note “petty grievances” in the article) are quite often people who have never had a position of power in the rest of their lives, and in their power hungry ineptitude make reasonable owners miserable.

  • stadalberts

    A lot of these homeowners associations are run by little tin gods who never amounted to much of anything in their lives, and now want to show how “powerful” they think they can be when all they are in reality are pitiful.

  • oscar weit

    “offensive” signs? But I’ve never seen a car pulled over with a trashy bumper sticker.I’d rather be saddled with the stigma of not being afraid to let people know that I am a person of faith. Rather than broadcast to the person in the vehicle behind me just what a pinhead I really am. HOA? Fancy way of saying that I’m willing to give up my constitutional rights and voluntarily subject myself to the whims and breezes of a small body of tyrants

  • erik willems

    But they don’t obey their own rules. They do whatever on their homes. I have seen that happen to friends and family who live in these HOA Nazis run communities.

  • Consultant

    The HOA., perhaps should rethink their objection. If in fact they have a moratorium on signs, the Wivell’s coud perhaps, utilize lights to spell out JESUS or the Welcoming of the Baby Jesus, with a Huge Nativity Scene, complete with a Manger along with the Baby JESUS . … .

    Then let the HOA show their True Intentions, for who they really are. … .

    Literally; To Hell with the HOA . … .

  • Mary Clouse

    My daughter was once going to buy a house in a very affluent
    neighborhood,that was run by the H.O.S,she went to one meeting
    I ask her how it went,she looked at me and said[HOS] “aka”
    the itty>bitty > bitch committee,needless to say she decided not
    to buy a home there.

  • Lynne Douglas

    Another originally sensible idea (having Homeowners’ associations) that has run amok in today’s ridiculous political climate.
    The idea that the name of Jesus, especially during the Christmas season, would be labeled “offensive” might be laughable
    if it weren’t so alarmingly indicative of the direction our country has taken, usually in the cause of so-called “diversity!”

  • John D

    HOA’s are all petty little whiners that want to tell people what they can and can’t do. To hell with all of them.

  • Grandpa

    TAKES WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ALLOW IMMIGRATS INTO OUR COUNTRY >> AND THE CLOWNS TO BE P.C. JUST BEND OVER AND KISS THIER BEHIND LIKE THEM TO STUPID TO ALLOW THE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUPPORTED THIS COUNTRY TO EXERSIZE THIER RIGTS TO FREELY HONOR THIER FAITH >> IT BE A FIGHT WITH THE A888 wipes who started theis shit >>move the hell out you don’t rule my live you lousy ass athist A***WIPE A SEASON OF JOY AND HAPPINESS DICTATED BY SOME ATHIST A***WIPE

  • lmorgan138

    I would never ever belong to an HOA. And this is one of the reason’s why.

  • Bandit61

    Should put another sign below it that says, “is the Reason for the Season” and leave them up until Jan 6–Epiphany.

  • Michael Heagney

    Makes you wonder if a ‘For Sale” sign is allowed if signs are not allowed?

  • Jeff

    Hoa’s for one reason or another have been given way to much authority, and when home owners attempt to rebel, they initially face fines, which can be steep and costly, and it seems in the end, the Hoa always win, reason being they have extremely deep pockets where as most homeowners do not, also something to note, most Hoa’s include a clause, where as all arguments or lawsuits, must go before an arbitration, which in itself, often seems one sided, leaning torwards the Hoa, again it must be stated that these HOA’s are out of control and have been given way to much authority, at times you would think your dealing with God, in the sense that what they say is nine times out of ten final, and the Home owner ends up being stuck having to comply with the Hoa’s ruling regardless of merit or even if you are in the right, the Hoa always seems to have the last word…….Smfh

  • THE KINGS KID

    They hate that name because it is power over the enemy their father the devil!

  • Walter Bazner

    This is a crock hold tight and fight these creeps.Homeowner associations are way past being done away with. They don’t represent homeowners but they do represent their own politics.. Political correctness should be done away with.

  • Ray Say

    If you are offended by Jesus, then get out of America

  • harold

    So let the fools be offended, the H.O. assoc. should just go cry their stupidity in their closet along with the offended. In other words, GET OVER YOURSELF AND GROW UP!

  • donl

    Do what I would have done, Pound salt til it hurts.

  • Get Real

    HOA….The only thing they should enforce is not putting an old Buick up on blocks in the yard…

  • American Capitalist

    Liberalism is a “mental disorder”; it paves the road to Calvary, and we just begun to climb!

  • Terry Maloney

    When are we going to start saying that people who find fault with our saying certain of putting something on out property offends us. We are free to do or say anything so long as it is not slander or in other ways is against the law. If you buy into an association you should be sure that you agree with their rules. If you don’t agree tell them you will not buy because you object of their rules.

  • Terry Maloney

    Do you realize that LA and Chicage have funds for the defense of illegal immigrant that have been donated in excess of 8-9 million. We have citizens here who do not get enough food. Is it reasonable for that to be going on in our country?
    Something else we need to be aware of is the outcry of the Democrats against the KKK when if you are aware of history the Democrats created the Klan in the first place.
    Remember that the next time they spout off about them.

  • Asperger_Gal

    Since they backed off trying to say it was the sign itself, my guess is they didn’t want the flack they’ll get for hating Jesus. I am glad they are keeping it up. Jesus is THE reason for the season! (Thank you Jesus for coming in the form of human flesh to shed your blood for all humanity! Blessed be Your Name.)

  • Jons_On

    There’s always some a$$hole in the bunch. Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ so to have his name up would be appropriate. I’d like to know where in the constitution is freedom from being offended. Freedom of speech is in there but sorry to all you PC idiots there is no such thing for being offended cause there’s always some idiot who says they are offended. TFB!

  • Gregory Brewster

    I’m offended by a program named Lucifer but, that’s what tolerance is supposed to mean. You don’t rise up and cause an uproar over every thing for which you disagree. Someone putting Jesus on their yard celebrating his birth has to be offended Please go back into your sand box and be quiet.

  • Stijm

    I totally agree HIMProductions. We the people are taking back our country because the silent majority has finally spoken. The polititions hate it and the left hate us but we are right.

  • gabriel wilson

    Lee, look up the history of Christmas. Go ALL the way back to the Feast of Saturnalia, and how the early RC church blended in the pagans to the church, bc they figured if they did that, there would be more members. That is true RC historical fact, but one HAS to go all the way back in history. No one knows when Christ our Lord was born, but the early church blended the pagans who wanted to join the church AND keep their pagan festivals with their constituents, and they “decided” that Jesus’s birthday would be on December 25th, thus keeping the festivals around that date

  • garkiil

    Do you realize that LA and Chicage have funds for the defense of illegal immigrant that have been donated in excess of 8-9 million. We have citizens here who do not get enough food. Is it reasonable for that to be going on in our country?Something else we need to be aware of is the outcry of the Democrats against the KKK when if you are aware of history the Democrats created the Klan in the first place

  • gguyu

    correction- the WORST thing is you cannot get rid…… they just get reassigned. Look at the Strock clown from the FBI. He is now in the human resources department !!! Are you kidding me?

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