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Maddow Embarrasses Herself With Trump Tax Scoop

Only a few days ago, several left-wing media outlets were celebrating the newfound ratings success of MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, who has supposedly increased her viewership in the Trump era by “ignoring the Twitter feed” and diving more deeply into the stories and scandals of the controversial administration.

But if Maddow was set to break away from the typical 24/7 news cycle programs and follow her own path to investigative superstardom, she may have stumbled over an obstacle of her own creation on Tuesday night.

In the late afternoon, Maddow went to social media to hype the evening’s episode, promising to deliver – at long last – THE TAX RETURNS!

Later, she clarified: It was a 2005 1040 document belonging to President Donald Trump.

By the time she was ten minutes into her program, though, it was already obvious to any half-awake viewer that Maddow’s scoop did not live up to the hype. The liberal host spent nearly a half hour building up to the grand revelation, a sure sign that there was not as much meat on the bone as she had promised.

By the time she finally got around to discussing the actual tax documents, the story hilariously backfired. Not only was there nothing of interest in the documents, what was there actually worked in the president’s favor. No scandal. No tax cheating. Certainly no uncomfortable ties to Russian oligarchs. Instead, Maddow reported on a clean, above-board filing that did more damage to the Democrats’ calls for Trump’s tax returns than anything the administration could have ever done.

Maddow revealed that Trump earned $153 million in 2005, a tidy sum on which he paid $36.5 million in taxes. He also claimed a business loss of more than $100 million that year. All told, he paid income taxes at an effective rate of 25% – not exactly the kind of bombshell revelation that the left has been hoping to find.

Maddow came by the documents by way of DCReport.org journalist David Cay Johnston, who said he received them in the mail from an unknown source. Johnston was so dismayed by the lack of dirt in the tax return documents that he speculated darkly about its origin.

“Donald has a long history of leaking material about himself when he thinks it’s in his interest,” he said.

Amazing. When was the last time you saw a journalist hype up a story, report the story, and then – realizing the story didn’t play out the way they wanted it to – immediately begin discrediting the story. All within a period of a few hours!

President Trump slammed the report on Twitter Wednesday. “Does anybody really believe that a reporter, who nobody ever heard of, ‘went to his mailbox’ and found my tax returns? @NBCNews FAKE NEWS!”

It’s in The Donald’s DNA to lash out at any “unfavorable” story of this sort, but he could’ve saved himself the trouble. The only person hurt by this story was Rachel Maddow.


  • jgfsmf

    Conservatives can’t win for losing. Now the liberals will say it was wrong or it’s not real.

    • Conservative

      Hey, do you pay 25% in income tax? You losers couldn’t survive without the Trumps paying for your sorry arses.

      • jgfsmf

        I’m a conservative. Why are you getting on my case? I work and pay my taxes.

        • Sgt. York

          Because your easy and won’t stand up to the damn liberals Like they do to you and the rest of the conservatives. Get a pair and fight back stop being the nice old gramps and spit on them like they do to you.

          • Suze

            OR….sometimes the stronger response is to forget them. Libs have earned being ignored. The worst insult is ALWAYS indifference and just do what you know is best. I have tuned them out too. Maddow has earned our indifference.
            But have at them, if that is what you feel moved to do.
            I just don’t respect them enough to give them my best.
            But just suggesting you might want to rethink attacking

            conservatives. Misplaced energy.

          • Sgt. York

            Ignored will only make them feel more superior as in there pea sized brains this means your about to surrender. This was Ovomits theory over the terrorists and you see it’s a long way of being a success. To maintain your status as true Americans is to stand up to them,were this not true Hitler would be the world leader now as would Russia or Japan. We have to stand tall or crawl, to there wants.

          • Suze

            I agree in fighting and do that in my life. I do think that there is also a way of fighting that requires ignoring, like not watching certain networks, not shopping anymore at certain companies, not listening to delusional faux journalists. There is a time when it’s time to tune them out. I doubt very much that these lying journalists who rely on

            being able to shape the mindset of the populace interpret this kind of ignoring as surrendering. I do agree that we need to be proactive in every way in cleaning out the enemy in our government and enforcing the laws that protect our country.

            I used to get into the lowdown fighting on their level on these blogs, but it really can infect a body. I choose other ways to fight the good fight. I write for certain conservative sites and am an activist for our constitutional rights in my community, But you have your own call. It takes all of us here.

          • Sgt. York

            Wimpy cowards Never Win in anything from hearts to fights. Only the true anti cowards win.

          • Mark Plenn

            “There is none so blind as one who will not see.” You all now that line; but few know what it means.

          • Suze

            The passage you referenced, “There is none so blind as those who will not see,” is

            from Jesus and we might not have known what He meant at one time, but we sure are seeing it play out now with the blind bias of the liberals.

          • jgfsmf

            Okay. You may be right there, but only because it can take forever (or never) to get information into their heads. And so sometimes I do go too easy on them.

          • Mark Plenn

            You can’t cure stupid! The education system is run by liberals who twist their young minds to the communist views; then when the little snowflakes are on their own they just listen to their masters.

    • William Konrad

      What kind of asinine comment is this? The comment makes no sense.

      • jgfsmf

        Read it again. They got the tax form, now they’ll complain that it’s not real or it’s a lie.

        • Mark Plenn

          It like Hillary’s law firm notes suddenly turned up! Magic like Al Franken’s Magic car trunk; with all it’s for Franken votes, ‘funny none of the votes in that trunk were for his rival.’

        • Suze

          I think your comment itself was clear, it was your being concerned what these liberals think that at this point shouldn’t determine whether we win or lose. They will NEVER agree conservatives have made a point. They wouldn’t even vote for a program that had all their best policies if that meant republicans would get the credit. They do not care about this country and only care about being in power.

    • Suze

      It doesn’t matter any more what liberals say concerning reality. We all know they are NOT a credible source for what it the truth. And they keep proving they are delusional. Those who follow them are fools. Its’ the blind leading the blind. We cant’ help them.

    • Suze

      You are giving the libs opinion too much power. They will never agree with anything that could help America. Forget them. They do not care about this country and have clearly shown their true colors.

      • Mark Plenn

        Never meet a liberal 1/2 way; they’ll want to bargain starting at that point.

        • Suze

          I guess that’s called making a deal with the devil.

  • mrpoohead

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/mar/16/trump-travel-ban-blocked-nationwide-hawaii-court-live

    Trump says, “This makes us look weak” – I say, “No, merely confirms you’re a retard!”.

    • Roger Short

      You and Madcow should go out on a date! You’re obviously made for each other!

      • Jim Deffendall

        SHE ONLY DOES WOMEN

        • OnTheRoad

          NO!!! You just put that imagine in my mind…”Oof Faa”!

        • SouthernPatriot

          The anarchist poo believes he is a woman today.

        • Mark Plenn

          and dogs don’t forget dogs.

      • mrpoohead

        Trump or Clinton – both repugnant, neither worthy, one a bigger joke than other.

    • Conservative

      No, this only shows why we should not be admitting people who hate the U.S. but enjoy the benefits others fought and pay for.

      • mrpoohead

        Why?

    • Suze

      Hey, maybe Maddow will have you on her show. They still pay something too. Better get to it while MSNBC is still on the air. The retard is Maddow and all those who still watch her. Which looks like you, mrpoohead.

      • mrpoohead

        Don’t do silly tv; especially sensationalist drivel – that’s obviously your remit!

        • Mark Plenn

          poo poo mr poo; You’re a POSER and an asshole need I say more?

          • mrpoohead

            I’m gorgeous and I only use facts or disprove something.

          • Suze

            FACTS like that you’re ‘cultured’, ‘mature’, ‘enlightened’? I love a good laugh.

          • mrpoohead

            Here you go; W Europe, Canada, NZ and Australia have better social disparity and social mobility – that’s freedom and opportunity to the retarded! Better healthcare and education systems, plus a homicide rate a fifth to a tenth of ours.
            Toilet of the modern world – USA! USA! USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Suze

          Are you telling me you became this way ALL ON YOUR OWN?

          • mrpoohead

            I’m quite worldly – read a number of papers around the world. None of my information comes from National Enquirer which may even be beyond your capabilities.

          • Suze

            Claiming to be ‘worldly’ is not complimenting yourself. It means to lack spirituality, to be of the world. I think you might have meant you see yourself as sophisticated or educated, but the substance of your post doesn’t bear that out either. So, keep talking. Tell us more.

          • mrpoohead

            Worldly: (of a person) experienced and sophisticated. Sophisticated, experienced, worldly-wise, knowledgeable, knowing, aware, enlightened, shrewd, astute, perceptive, media-savvy, mature, seasoned, cosmopolitan, urbane, cultivated, cultured.

            Beats being the dumbdoohickey that you obviously are. Not sure what spirituality has to do with any of that?

          • Suze

            Oh you just cut and pasted most of that one baby cakes. Is that how you see yourself? Media-Savvy? Mature? COSMOPOLITAN?
            How pathetic!
            Say more about how you see yourself oh ‘enlightened’ one. Do you consider yourself one of the ELITE?
            And it is obvious you don’t know what spritiuality has to do with it. You make my case.
            I anticipate your next telling comment.

          • mrpoohead

            Not of the “elite”, but considerably more intelligent than someone who only believes conspiracy theory drivel. Please enlighten about “spirituality” – will assume you have nothing until then. Waiting!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Suze

            And what conspiracy theories are you referring to? The ones Maddow bases her shows on?
            In answer to your question, spirituality in the context I was using it is in contrast to the ‘worldly’ identity that you painted of yourself, i.e. what you think you know, where you live, your perception of your lofty status in society or some acquired degrees. A spiritual person knows these superficial/temporal things cannot define them even though they too might happen to live in cosmopolitan areas, have earned post grad degrees and certain status in society.

          • mrpoohead

            Ahhh; “spiritual”; someone who’s been nowhere and done nowt. Got it! Too scared to do anything and live a life! Boring!!!!!!!!!!

            I ignore the drivel on sensationalist TV (that’s all channels), I also ignore the drivel on Alt-right sites – however they are very amusing! No facts, no substance, just conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Suze

            Are you being intentionally daft? Or does this come naturally? Either way, you don’t offer much. Just negative toxic stuff and you talk too much about how great you are which is the definition of BORING. Not impressed with this cosmopolitan, media savvy (who doesn’t watch tv) worldly bore.

          • mrpoohead

            When I”m merely laughing at the drivel.

            Here’s someone to chew on then. We have the worst social disparity and social mobility in th emodern world (W Europe, Canada, NZ and Australia). The worst healthcare (before or after ACA) and education systems, plus a homicide rate five to ten times their’s. We are the toilet of the modern world! I see little too be proud of. For the second time in a hundred years we have brought the world close to economic collapse – Great Depression and the Financial Crisis 2008, all our fault. Not overly proud! Sorry!

          • Suze

            I know this perspective well. I disagree. We are no doubt in a free fall in this country and globally as well, but I completely disagree as to what has brought us to this crisis. I wish us all the best.

          • mrpoohead

            Ahhh denial. The Great Depression was as a result of the Wall St crash, which happened because of un-sound lending practices. The Financial Crisis 2008, was a result of the Glass-Steagall Act being repealed. The very thing that had been put in place after the “Crash” so that it may never happen again! After the repeal (Republican, though am sure the Democrats would have done it as they are both owned by the finance industry) we went on a ten year spending binge that was on the back of moronic lending.

            You disagree; what with, the degree of moronic? That we aren’t close to our peers – that our homicide rate is more like Cuba and Iran’s? Or, that despite claiming to be the land of freedom and opportunity the whole of W Europe et al are considerably freer and more accessible?

            Proof it! I’ll give $10,000 to a charity of your choice – I’ll expect reputable references; Blind belief has no place here. I’ll be waiting…………………………

    • Mark Plenn

      mrpoohead; that’s an ample name for you; by the sign you use as your symbol I cance to think you are a Satanist. So to you I say GO TO HELL!

      • mrpoohead

        Obviously you don’t get out much – 1976 punk rock. Duh!

  • Love of Country

    Mancow’s dressed in black for her credibility’s funeral …. too stupid to know it died the day she signed up with MSNBC.

    • Mike Thomas

      She or He, Should be called Mad Cow!! Remember the Mad Cow disease years ago? I think the Liberals have it!!

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    • Suze

      She didn’t have anywhere else to go. It’s a dying breed. They just don’t know it yet, in the same way they didn’t know they lost the election; they believe their own hype. We call them ‘pathetic’ but the REALLY ARE.

  • Roger Short

    Madcow is a pathetic piece of human crap! She thinks that she is smart, and she gets that smirk on her face that causes me to change the station, before I throw a brick through at my TV! Only a totally biased, communist network, like MSLSD, would even hire the likes of her! I wonder what the stupid bixch thinks of the fact that Trump paid a higher % in taxes than Odumbo, and Bernie S. did?!

  • VirgoVince

    It’s what ugly lefturd idiots DO, embarrass themselves, DAILY, with SO MUCH experience!!

    • OnTheRoad

      She’s an idiot Vince. She thought she hit the goldmine, but hit the friggin’ toilet bowel. Whatta fool, hahahaha

      • Sgt. York

        You mean she got the shaft while Pres Trump got the gold.

        • OnTheRoad

          And lets keep it that way for “AMERICA”.

          • Mark Plenn

            The truth 1 Madcow 0 !

      • John Williams

        The lack of intelligence that she has shown, after all, the fool had the thing in front of her to look at in advance of her show and still chose to make a complete fool of herself. I would not be surprised if it was released by the Trump team, just to keep these left wing loons are at each others throats to so they can vie for the opportunity to see who can commit suicide first, sadly this is the best the left has to offer.

        • OnTheRoad

          The left wing media are so frantic about finding dirt on POTUS and getting back power…even if it hurts our country. (And IMO, it’s personal). They are and have always been insane! “KEEP VOTING THEM OUT”!

          • John Williams

            We are witness to just what many of us have known for years, we see in living Technicolor and surround sound, just exactly what many of these people are, delusional idiots that do not have a clue what they are doing to this once great nation. There was a time when the left, at least, showed some simulance of accepting our laws and moralities, that has been abandoned, all has been thrown out. I am not talking about some “fringe” part of the left, I am talking about those in positions of power, from congressmen and senators, loudly and publicly, this is coming from the highest rankings of the democrat party, the idea of the peaceful transfer of power has been abandoned. The list of useful idiots has grown exponentially, the so called “millennials,” any of who have been educated (I use the term loosely) in our universities, have been so indoctrinated by the leftist agenda, that they willingly promote their own demise and, in the end, are too stupid to see it. Rank and file democrats are either on board or they are too stupid to see that the democrat party has been hijacked by the socialist far left, the democrat party is no longer the party of their fathers.

          • Lizzie2

            What I wouldn’t give to be as knowledgeable as you John

          • Mister Atoz

            LOL. Perfect!

            He is very well-versed in right-wing talking points, isn’t he? He gets points deducted for not mentioning Soros, though.

          • Suze

            Thank you for reminding us. There is that horrible man, Soros. It will be interesting to see how Trump deals with him. And John is quite insightful in spite of your snarky cynicism which is a trait of so many poor libs.

          • Mister Atoz

            What, in your conspiratorial mind, does Trump need to deal with regarding Soros?

          • Suze

            I wouldn’t presume to know what people who understand money and it’s power know in dealing with one another. What I said was it will be interesting to watch.

          • Mister Atoz

            Well, be sure to let me know when Trump decides to investigate him.

            In other news, the Trump administration denied Judicial Watch’s request to further investigate Clinton’s emails.

            I am looking forward to whatever Trump’s Birth Certificate Team discovers in Hawaii, though. Has anyone heard from them? I’m looking forward to being amazed.

          • Suze

            As for Trump dealing with Soros, for all I know it won’t go the way of a regular investigation. I have no idea and don’t want to just spin my wheels here. Soros is just an obvious obstacle Trump will have to confront or work with. And in terms of the other issues you raised, I believe Trump will have to pick his battles, what’s worth fighting. I can see why he dropped the Hillary thing, although I know many who will believe justice denied hurts our whole legal system.
            I think (just my opinion here) that we are in for some far more serious problems with the fallout from previous policies with North Korea and Iran, which will change our entire emphasis here overnight. And if I were to make any conjectures I would say that this is why so much $$$ is being thrown at our military and such cuts to arts and EPA programs. I do think we are in for some hits. Hope to God I am wrong about that.

          • Mister Atoz

            I don’t agree with everything you said (for example, I think 9 investigations with no wrongdoing found is ample justice) but I sincerely appreciate that you made your case civilly and respectfully.

            As far as NK goes, it’s so volatile that I can’t think of any president who has had much success dealing with them. Even the Korean War basically ended in a stalemate. My sincere hope is that cool heads prevail on that issue. But, inflammatory rhetoric from both them and us seems to be what’s going on now. My hope is that it doesn’t escalate from there.

          • Suze

            Europe is also now having to deal with Soros, so perhaps it will happen on several fronts. He’s a chaos manipulator who then has programs in place to ‘help’ when things fall apart. But looks like his liver is failing so could be God will just handle the man. Yet, I have no illusions concerning that will take care of his money and those who will carry on his destructive agenda.
            I appreciate your being open to any exchange here, as well.
            The so called investigations aren’t to be trusted by these INVESTIGATORS who have too many dogs in this race. And, conversely, any investigations carried through by a new Trump appointed committee will be dismissed by the liberals….which brings me to one of the worst things in my opinion that has happened here: I am trying to remember the last time I trusted our government at the highest level. It’s time to shrink the whole bloated bureacratic bunch… get it down to minimal basics. As for North Korea, I agree with you. Each time a new administration comes in with brand new hopes of having an impact, they return with that glazed look on their faces like they just visited the psyche wing in Durham. I am bracing for some hits now that N Korea has formed this strange alliance with Iran who is now in the flush $$$. That isn’t conspiracy so much as smelling the rain before it pours.

          • Lizzie2

            You know what,? I am getting the idea that you might be a member of the editorial board here. Just a thought.

          • Suze

            Well, that was actually quite a compliment. Thank you.

            I do write articles for different sites but not this one.

          • Lizzie2

            You are most welcome.

          • Suze

            🙂

          • Lizzie2

            Not a good rebound….you’ve met your match.

          • Suze

            From what you have demostrated here in terms of offering substantial commentary, you aren’t in a position to judge whether anyone here has answered well or not. Again, I am not sure which thread you are referring to …but sadly…it doesn’t matter, you still haven’t earned credibility to judge.
            You seem to just be on here to get your provocative juices flowing. Wish you would read more, and by more I mean beyond your immediate bubble circle.

          • Trump will have to keep it quiet until the arrest. Soros will disappear if he hears about it.

          • Suze

            I don’t want to get into the speculating game here, so we will just have to see. I am just interested in that aspect of this shift of power.

          • river

            You can start by being as knowledgeable of your own party as he is about his own. You merely have to goto the Communist Party USA dot org to see the similarity of your party and theirs.

          • Suze

            You are completely correct. The good news is that now liberals have taken off their masks and we finally see them for what they are, and the are self destructing. Not just here, globally. The one rule order has been a failure. But this won’t just sweetly go away. A cornered rat is a dangerous beast.

          • Lizzie2

            You would need a team to dig up all that is hidden about the man.

          • Suze

            Well, they sure are giving it their best, and what they can’t find they will make up.
            Smoke is all you need, not fire.

          • Suze

            I know they are hoping to stir up more of a base, but they sure are losing a whole slew of moderates by their over reactions. I see this personally in my work, observed it happen during the election, but now, especially concerning the extreme left’s vitriolic, anti decency, anti law behavior in response to Trump’s being elected, they are distancing themselves from the party. If Trump can continue to increase jobs and if our borders can be secured, unless the democratic party takes a whole other more constructive tact, we are watching their demise for decades.

          • OnTheRoad

            Even Independents are more in favor of Trump/Conservatives. The Dems better stop crying about things and start working TOGETHER with POTUS. I still don’t trust them Suze. Just listen to Warren, Pelosi, and Schumer, (to name a few). They have no plans on working with Trump…”EVER”!

          • Suze

            There is nothing to trust. I judge a tree by its fruit and they haven’t been bearing any fruit for this country since they first came on the scene. Any good they have done has happened in SPITE of them. But they’ve blown their cover now and I truly believe on their way out, though not without a nothing to lose kind of fight.

          • OnTheRoad

            I would rather we all work together, but the Dems have shown they have no plan on doing so. Did you see how disrespectful and selfish the Dems were at the State of the Union address? And Trump even asked a few times for the Dems to PLEASE lets all work together for the American people? They all sat on their hands the whole night of the speech. So when they say they are working hard for the American people, they’re full of sh*t! If people don’t give Trump 8 years, (and I don’t think they will), they have to be the most selfish idiots in politics…and they think WE are stupid enough to believing them, and putting our trust in them. I didn’t believe them for the past 10 or so years Suze. “VOTE TRUMP AGAIN IN 2020”!

          • Suze

            I agree. I thought their hostile behavior at that great state of the union address, not even standing for the victims of illegal alien crime, did more harm to the democratic brand than the republicans could have orchestrated. They didn’t stand for vets or for police either. They showed their true colors. they hate this country.

          • Lizzie2

            OK you two are pleasuring each other enough,,,I am becoming embarressed.

          • Suze

            You accidently said something that was the truth, that you are becoming embarrassed. But you can learn from this, and it’s not like your picture and identity is on public display. I really do hope you look into more sources than just Maddow.

          • Lizzie2

            The word was no mistake….bad shrinking on your part. I referred to Suze’s and Onthe road’s stroking of one another.

          • Suze

            If that is how your mind works.

          • Lizzie2

            Funny….I am experiencing deja vue. Didn’t we just do all that for the past 8 years?

          • Lizzie2

            My personal opinion is that you should wait and see what happens.

          • OnTheRoad

            It’s been 7 days Lizzie. And it’s so obvious that nobody will work with Trump. Even a lot of reubs. So it’s not just the left. Now what?

          • Lizzie2

            Well, I am presently in a state of ‘deja vu’. I am recalling the Nixon era. A drip,drip, reporting of involvement of Trump campaign members with Russian figures, (Manifort,Flynn etc); impending fail to change Affordable Care Act; a remarkable violation of bipartisonship and security rules by the Intellegence Committee Chair by directly informing Trump re:data “swept-up” in routine monitoring” prior to the election. No relief of suspicion of Rissian collusion regarding the election outcome.
            No movement on “the wall”. I have no hatred of the man..I believe that he never expected to win this election and has been woefully unprepared to take on the role of “the most powerful man in the world”.
            This is not the position for ANYONE who is without experience in some form of governing, ( Running a business is not the same thing). This can make us all vulnerable if someone else pulls the strings. I’d watch out for Bannion et al. And thank heavens for Mike Pence….while I have little love for some of his positions; I have confidence in his experience and would trust him to run the govt.
            You are dead wrong about so called “left wing media”. Their reporting aims at Professional Journalism, and most of them are professionals in that field…..I hesitate to include……neither O’Riely nor Hannity have suimilar credentials….(both were radio talk show hosts)

          • OnTheRoad

            Ya know…I had a whole 3 paragraphs to wright here. But I’m tiered of arguing….I really don’t want to argue with you or anyone here. Trump is not an idiot like you seem to think he is. He has a big mouth, but he’s not stupid. What would you like…to impeach him? I’m an Independent, so I could have gone either way during the election. And Russia Lizzie? How could they have turned the election? Our voting is not on-line. How do you hack a machine? What ever! I’m done here. You libs are amazing! Don’t worry…you guys will have the country back before you know it.

        • Lizzie2

          You could never come close to Rachel’s intellegence.She has had more schooling than most here have.
          What makes you think that she was confused or wrong? She had expert advice before she appeared on air didn’t she? Or do you not know that the man sitting next to her is well-schooled in finance issues and has followed Trump for years. He is the person who received the forms in the mail; he and Trump know each other since he has reported on this president, he has written a book on Trump and both have suspected that the forms came from Trump. After all, the form didn’t give up any information that wasn’t already known.. But some Americans have finally seen at least one form from him….it’s a beginning.

          • John Williams

            Let me address a few things that seem obvious to most. “She had expert advice before she appeared on air didn’t she?” It would seem her “expert” is no smarter than her, both YOU and I know, the INTENT here was a big scoop to show just how little taxes, if any, that Trump paid. Remember the big story from the liberal lap dog media, “Trump paid no taxes for 20 years, SO, neither you, the biased sources touting that number, nor I have the facts, as a businessman he was recouping a loss of almost $1 Billion, a completely LEGAL situation. If said expert and maddow were not smart enough to see that they were just going to prove, with FACTS, that Donald Trump, on that particular year paid a higher tax rate than obama, sanders and the average person in that income range, compared to newer tax forms. You seem so sure that my intelligence level is so much lower than his, an infantile response on your part. I may not be schooled in “finance issues” as the so called expert sitting next to her, I do not know who he is and I certainly do not watch maddow. I do know that I have owned and operated a couple of successful small business, something that many so called experts on the subject have never done. I have tried to watch her a couple of times just see what exited you lefties, again if that is the best you can do, you people are going down faster than I originally thought. You place your faith in these people, but let me remind you of a proven fact, intelligence and all the education in the world do not guarantee any thing in the way of common sense. I have no concerns about how much money Trump has, I would rather he had plenty so he would not feel the need to get rich on my dollar before he leaves office, as the majority of these so called public servants do. Since we all know what their salaries are, it is strange so many become millionaires while “preforming” that public service, the clintons being a prime example.

          • Suze

            You have a great deal of patience with this one who obviously adores Maddow. But what I don’t understand is why Maddow aired the returns even though they debunked her own conspiracy theories concerning them.

          • Lizzie2

            Why not ask her, she is on facebook, and also has a blog. “Maddow Blog”

          • Suze

            Maddow isn’t capable of the truth, so why ask her anything? She tells her viewers what they want to hear and she half believes these things herself. That’s what happens in the cycle of delusion.

          • Lizzie2

            You should know. Good night.

          • Suze

            Yes, I do happen to know about the different cycles of delusion, individually and as in mass hysteria. And goodnight to you as well.

          • Lizzie2

            Awake again……please tell of your experiences with cyclic delusions and episodes of mass hysteria. Sounds interesting.

          • Suze

            Are you really interested in pyscho-socio behavior? It’s the premise of the behavioral science of politics. I find it more than interesting; for me it’s essential to be aware of how politicians and the media are exploiting people’s emotions and vulnerabilities. People bond around fear and like mindedness, and at some point, they express their fears in hate which escalates to violence. That’s the goal of those in power who are feeding this emotion, to create anarchy and then step in as the solution which is how dictatorships are established in free societies. Mass hysteria is a common trend throughout history. Nazi Germany is often used as the poster for that, but also the sheeplike manner of the Jewish people who practically enabled their mass murder. For a while I thought conservatives were going that sheeples way, but now obviously not. However, there has been so much damage done, the alt left has exposed their anti law, anti family, anti God agenda, I fear conservatives won’t trust any kind of healthy relationship with liberals ever again. I am seeing this in big red letters in Europe now. I am afraid it’s gone too far.

          • John Williams

            I think my comment about the lack of her intelligence about covers it. You are wrong, I have very little patience for these suffering fools, but every now and then I have one too many beers and I like to poke one.

          • Suze

            Well, you have more patience than I do, at least anymore. I can only imagine what I’d say after I’ve had a few. I’ve lost complete respect for these self absorbed fools who are destroying our beautiful country.

          • John Williams

            At one time, the left had a pretense (most of us new that it was just a pretense, nothing more) of claiming to a willingness to adhere to both moralities and law, they have dropped ALL pretense for such. I am not talking about “fringe” elements of the democrat party, I am talking about so called leadership, we are witnessing what most of us knew about the left for years, they are little more than deranged idiots, we see in living Technicolor and surround just what kind of derangement is there. The useful idiots have come out in full force and the rank and file democrats are clustered into two camps, either they agree or they are too dumb to understand that the democrat party has been hijacked by the socialist/progressive far left and it is NOT the party of their fathers.

          • Suze

            Well, their greatest weapon was their disguise, and they will still use their big gov programs to keep people dependent on them to point to as evidence conservatives aren’t compassionate if they want to reduce government, their agenda to over burden the country to bring it to its knees. BUT now we don’t have any choice but to cut programs, and I believe the combination of Trump at the helm and the reality of needing our resources for military (with the impending attacks) will go a long way to rectify the situation. And then I don’t know what happens to the democratic party, if they will even exist.

          • John Williams

            I don’t disagree, but do not count out the democrat party, remember the number of brain washed useful idiots coming out of places they call college, there are too many people who buy into the socialist BS spouted by the far left.

          • Suze

            I remember the late sixties, when I first started paying attention to all of this, and the early seventies when the reality seemed to be that conservatives were a done deal. What hadn’t been anticipated, however, is that the children of hippies and commune living weren’t as enamored with that lifestyle (typically rebelling) and combined with the failing economy which the democrats had orchestrated… made way for a whole yuppie generation who voted in Reagan. It seemed to happen overnight. They didn’t want what they’de been taught, rejected the bohemian organic thing for a cool apartment and their own wheels, and we watched a decade long unalduterated season of consumerism which even shames the most capitalistic among us now. Liberalism works best in an environment of a healthy economy coming off conservative policies. I am interested in the historical aspect of politics concerning trends and what is happening not just here but globally. Liberal policies worldwide are in a down trend. Not saying the democratic party can’t regroup eventually but I wager it won’t be under this current brand which seems to have lived out its relevancy for this country. It shows all the signs of destroying itself. But I expect that people who believe government is the answer will always seek that solution and will find a way to try that again. .

          • Lizzie2

            We’ll wait for the destabilation of our society that is being planned. Then, the people who pull Trump’s strings, will be able to set up their idea of a “brave new world”.

          • Suze

            We don’t have to wait for the destablization of our society. What do you think has been happening the last eight years? Why do you think people finally had gotten enough and voted in President Trump. It might be too late, however. We might have to lose in a major way before we experience a corrective. And what ‘brave new world’ are you talking about? I thought Maddow saw President Trump as ushering us back fifty years. I did know of the one world global order which was a liberal idea that Bernie Sanders noted had failed (with the now trend toward nationalism) but I don’t know what you mean about a brave new world.

          • Lizzie2

            And now face a danger of being hijacked by facist leaning “patriots”., who define people’s worth based on ethnic, color and religious bases.

          • Your side is the one that, continuously, defines people “based on ethnic, color,
            and religious bases (sic)”.

          • Lizzie2

            Don’t blame you…..so many self-absorbed fools, so little time.

          • Suze

            To what comment are you responding here?

          • Lizzie2

            O shucks, I was beginning to like you. I’ll just keep on suffering along in my ignorance until you have a few beers again.

          • Lizzie2

            What is a “this one”…..you think that I am a robot?

          • Suze

            No, this one is referring to you.

          • Lizzie2

            Not denial from me. It was poorly planed.

          • There’s, probably, some ulterior motive meant to get our attention away from something else, or something. This was waaaaay too reckless and amateurish for there not to be ‘something to it’.

          • Suze

            Trying to justify Maddow in this major fail will only bring you grief. Everyone is laughing at her over this one except those poor schmucks who idolize her. And education as in degrees can be an obstacle to basic intelligence if you become so miopic, specialized, that you no longer see the big picture, which she hasn’t been able to do since she hit the scene. It’s why she miscalculated the election by such a wide margin. What she doesn’t know is a LOT.

          • Lizzie2

            And you are smarter than she is because trump won? And quit with the hyperbole; everyone is NOT laughing at her…..her fans are not cruel. Support, agreement, appreciate….are not linked with idolization. Your nasty “piling on” is typical of your kind here.

          • Suze

            Her fans are dismayed of course and for good reason. And nasty? She engenders no compassion from me because she has virtually dismissed more than half the country as irrelevant bumpkins. She was actually surprised when it turned out this many people had been disenfranchised by Obama’s policies, after all, hadn’t she been reporting that they were just residual damage, neccessary fallout in order to effect much needed change?
            And all of us who knew the polls were false and recognized her calculations were incorrect WERE and ARE smarter than Maddow. Degrees don’t make a person smart. So, yes, that does make us smarter because we evidently know what is happening, have quit listening to the mainstream media precisely because they are SO DUMB. Out of touch, and your little Maddow is leading the blind minions. I make no apologies for how I feel about the destructive progressives. Just so glad at last that the sleeping lion has been awakened and they are on their way down and out.

          • Lizzie2

            You keep trying to prove your intellectual skills to the rest of us. I am not denying them. But you are sounding a little jealou of her.

          • Suze

            If you think I have ‘intellectual skills’ let me assure you anyone can become informed, but it does take a strong desire to really know, requires doing one’s homework (don’t just trust information until you’ve waited and looked into it), and you can’t just spin off party sound bites (that’s for the lazy puppets of which there are many).
            I hope I can challenge you, Lizzy, to become better informed and quit relying on mommy Maddow, if just so you can actually have something intelligent to offer in a real debate. I mean, you do seem to enjoy debating which I think is to your credit; it’s long been the best way to
            sort through issues, but you aren’t doing your side’s position any good if the substance of your argument is emotionally based and just repeats worn out liberal speculations.
            But that’s up to you.

          • You are funny!

          • Lizzie2

            Virtually everyone, including Trump, thought that Hillary would win….even Vlad. Of course he was able to ditch that forecast with a few hackers and, the most wonderful Wikileaks , to help.

          • Suze

            Not ‘everyone’ thought she would win. You might want to rethink using so many of these sweeping generalizations. I didn’t think she would win, but that’s because I live in an area where there’s a more even distribution of party affiliations. And I saw how disenchanted more moderate democrats were with not just Hillary but the entire liberal party, and also witnessed the hardship President Obama’s tenure had inflicted on the blue collar/middle class. A big shift from the previous election, even midterm. I was not surprised at all that Trump won in spite of what the liberal media was trying so hard to make voters believe, to de incentivize getting out to vote. But by then conservatives knew the polls were fake and the jig was up about the lying media. You and your friends may have been convinced Hillary was going to win due to where you get your news, and I did notice the mainstream media was in shock after he won, but they are suffering from believing their own propaganda. There’s actually a term for that kind of mass self delusion.
            Now there has been a change in the talking points. It has ceased being about how Trump cannot win, to how he did win (by outside influence). And as for your other Maddow talking points as to why President Trump won, speculation is a fools game. Not worth getting into.

          • river

            Hate to burst your shallow intellect and intelligence, MsLizzardBimbo, but intelligence is NOT measured by education or how much she has obtained. IQ is measured by one’s ability to understand and adapt to changing stimuli. One of the delusions of the sexually and emotionally deprived left is that they’re all confused about who they are. Perhaps you would like to accompany me to my Anthropology class where my instructor, someone smarter than you, would like to measure your skull.

          • 2Deep4_U

            IQ TEST CAME OUT OF NAZI GERMANY, IT’S PURE RACIST MISOGYNIST PROPAGANDA AND BULLSHIT……CHECK

          • river

            I don’t care where it came from or by whom. See definition above. It’s practically worthless… except to grade lower intellectual capacities for liberal progressives.

          • 2Deep4_U

            IT’S WORTHLESS PERIOD, EXCEPT TO ROTTEN RACIST MISOGYNIST ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WHO ARE JUST LIKE THE SONSOFBITCHES WHO CREATED IT.
            THE ONLY PURPOSE WAS TO MAKE A BUNCH OF SUB-HUMAN LOW LIFE IGNORANT ASS EVIL ALBINOID DEVILS LOOK GOOD ON PAPER, WHEN IN ACTUALITY THEY WERE JUST A BUNCH OF SUB-HUMAN DUMMIES LIKE YOU…..CHECK

          • river

            Oh, my… a delusional toilet bug. Do you hear those voices from the inside or outside of your skull? Maybe you should crawl back up into that warm rectal safe space where you can relax your throbbing arteries and enjoy a nice warm bowl of PC before it’s splattered all over your favorite toilet bowel.

          • 2Deep4_U

            NOW THAT’S REALLY INTELLIGENT, I THINK IT’S TIME YOU TURN IN YOUR BRAIN AND ASK FOR A GODDAMN REFUND…….CHECK

          • river

            Hey Gasbag, I’ll put my IQ against yours’ any day. And just in case you have the sack to give it a whirl, try not to grit your tooth and lower the case. You’re not all that swift at screaming on line.

          • 2Deep4_U

            IQ DONT MEAN JACKSHIT, IT CAME OUT OF NAZI GERMANY , IT’S A GODDAMN RACIST MISOGYNIST CON GAME PLAYED BY IGNORANT MOTHERFUCKERS WHO ARE DUMB AS HELL SO THEY TRY TO LOOK INTELLIGENT ON DAMN PAPER.
            WHEN MY PEOPLE BUILT THE PYRAMIDS THEY DIDN’T HAVE OR NEED A FUCKING IQ TEST, WHILE YOUR GODDAMN DUMBASS ANCESTORS WERE CRAWLING AROUND ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES UP IN THE CAVES AND HILLS OF EUROPE AND THAT’S WHERE THEY REMAINED UNTIL THE AFRICANS BUILT THE FIRST UNIVERSITY IN SPAIN AND TRIED TO CIVILIZED YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS, UNFORTUNATELY THEY FAILED BECAUSE YOU’RE STILL UNCIVILIZED PATHETIC ASSHOLES…CHECK

          • river

            Your ancestors built the pyramids? LOL… were they slaves? cause that’s who built them you mindless 1/2 wit. And by the way , Toby, since you have those slavery roots, what say you enjoin me in the next anthropology class. I know an instructor that wants to measure your skull and slanted forehead. Now dontchu run, boy, lest you get your foot loosened from your chicken leg.

          • 2Deep4_U

            YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT , YOU’RE EVEN DUMMER THAN EVEN I HAD IMAGINED.
            AIN’T NO GODDAMN SLAVES BUILT THE MOST PERFECT STRUCTURE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD CLOSE YOUR DAMN MOUTH YOU’RE JUST LIKE TRUMP EVERY TIMES HE OPEN HIS MOUTH SOMETHING STUPID , DUMB, AND IGNORANT FLY OUT OF IT……CLOSE IT YOU LOW LIFE SOB…..CHECK

          • river

            Uh oh, sorry, Kunte Kinte’, but those perfect structures, many of which have crumbled and are buried, much like your shallow, low intellect mind, just don’t exist above ground, today.. Perfect you say? History proves that all pyramids including Mayan and Incan were built by slaves. Which makes you to think otherwise, a slave to low intellect much? Wouldn’t you prefer to be drawing pictures with your crayons and Obama coloring book?

          • 2Deep4_U

            YOU’RE ONE LYING IGNORANT ASS WHITE SOB, GO AWAY YOU ARE JUST LIKE A FLY YOU EAT SHIT AND BOTHER PEOPLE……CHECK

          • river

            Rut Roe, do I detect a mad Puddy Tat? Did I make duh Puddy Tat madddddddddd? I did, I did, I did make duh Puddy Tat madd…… ……..

            Frankly, Neanderthal man, I have proof of your ancestors just click below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEh2WqrGeZw

          • 2Deep4_U

            PALEFACE ALWAYS SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE

          • river

            You wouldn’t make a pimple on an injun’s ass.

          • 2Deep4_U

            PALEFACE SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE….CHECK

          • river

            hey, not 2Deep4_gump… are you sitting down, playing with your genitals in the mirror for the zoo crowd, or just practicing to type the same lame insults of the retarded left?

          • 2Deep4_U

            WHY DO ALL YOUR IGNORANT POST CENTER AROUND GENITALIA, IS IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VERY SMALL PENIS?, OR IS IT BECAUSE YOU’RE A SEXUALLY PERVERTED PEDOPHILE PIMP LIKE TRUMP ? I’M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT YOU BEING AROUND CHILDREN YOU’RE A SICK MOTHERFUCKER.
            HOW MANY WOMAN HAVE YOU GRABBED BY THE PUSSY? OR BETTER YET HOW MANY WOMAN HAVE YOU RAPED?
            TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL………….CHECKMATE

          • river

            Dear 2BimboticPenisPimp4_U, I must admit that it’s not rocket science that snowflake nutcases don’t know what hole to poke in, or what hole to take it in. Therein lies the confusion for the Rainbow limp wristed Trump haters, like yourself. So don’t worry, I can imagine that no sane male will grab your pussy. He’d have to grab both of your ears, the handle grips w/fox tails & 2DeepThroat4_U

          • 2Deep4_U

            YOUR EVERY POST IS MORE IGNORANT AND STUPID THAN THE LAST ONE.
            NOW WHY DON’T THAT SUPRISE ME?

          • river

            Surprise, Surprise, no wait, it’s no Surprise that 2DeepWeenerMouth4_U is having a major snowflake meltdown. Now, exposed as a Peter Puffer he’s been reduced to saying the same mindless drivel, over and over. Listen, Puffer, when you can put your dinner back into that condom that got caught in your throat maybe you can become more coherent.

          • river

            And by the way, Toby, it is spelled “Spain” .. not “Spian”, blithering 1/2 wit. Put your low intelligence crayons away, sit down and shad up!!!

    • Most of them are too unenlightened to, even, KNOW that they SHOULD be embarrassed! This group of morons, OBVIOUSLY, still think that we are ALL their dumb@ss ‘voters’.
      Sorry Dummycrats, we do have working brains-YOU LOSE!!!!!!

      • Suze

        I think she WAS embarrassed. Notice how quickly she changed the subject. But boy did they look for something, ANYTHING in those returns to try to spin into a ‘find’!! They couldn’t. the more they kept the tax return the center of news the more it made Trump look great and all their paranoid speculations as unfounded. The next day she met with a group for where to go next. She really took a hit …and ironically she had an all time viewership rating night…so she set herself up for this major fail.

        • Mark Plenn

          Crazy Charlie Schumer tried to twist it; by saying 2005 was the year President Trump Married, as if that would change the 24% taxes President Trump paid. Has anyone looked into Schumer’s tax returns for the last 5 years; well it that time Schumer open up your tax records or shut the f#@%k up, you f-in poser!

          • Suze

            GOOD ONE. Let’s see all their tax returns. Whaddaya wanna bet these socialists are all paying less than 13% like Bernie.

          • Lizzie2

            You just love labels. When you persist in using them your comments become tiresome and easily ignored.

          • Suze

            If so easy to ignore, why DIDN’T you? Let’s prove your theory.

          • Lizzie2

            No the reason why doubters persist is that,since Trump probably did leak his own tax form , he chose his 2005 returns for other reasons. The donald does nothing without careful thought.

          • Suze

            All speculation, but have a ball!!

          • 2Deep4_U

            EXCEPT OPEN HIS BIG MOUTH…

        • Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.

          • Suze

            Instant KARMA

        • Lizzie2

          And you could not be happier?

          • Suze

            Maddow’s the left’s answer to Glen Beck, all speculation. She is doing a great deal of harm not just to journalism but to the democratic party. It saddens me that this has happened to what was once a pretty decent pro middle and working class party…although their beginnings weren’t admirable.
            So, yes I am glad she showed her viewers once again that she lives in her own bubble.

      • Lizzie2

        Someone should take away your CAPs key.

        • Suze

          liberals like to take things away from people, control every little thing. Ever notice that?

      • Lizzie2

        You vote for Trump and call yourselves enlightened?

        • Suze

          YUP

      • Suze

        It’s the elitist condescending ‘so smart’ pose that just ain’t working for them anymore, in fact it was one of the main motivations that got the conservative vote out. Just so tired of these pseudo intellectuals who literally believe(d) they have a monopoly on human rights. Obnoxious as they come. And Maddow is the living billboard for these liberal snobs. They still can’t believe that other people exist in this country than their snow flake friends, having fallen for their own false polls. Isn’t that pathetic?

  • Ddenney1

    Madcow ios a very deadly illness and needs immediate treatment! The same network took years to get a NEARLY ILLITERATE Sharpton off the air! That took Ferguson BURNING DOWN this should NOT be that hard! See Geraldo’s Capone fiasco for reference!!

    • Mark Plenn

      Sharpton was at least laughable. Hesheit is not funny!

  • OnTheRoad

    This idiots are NOT going to give up for the next 8 years. (Which does harm to OUR country!)

    • Sgt. York

      But what goes around comes around if they survive that long as the whole stinkin party is about to die of hate.

      • Suze

        Yes, they are self imploding. No longer posing as the party of caring and reason. Have become the party of ‘my way or the highway’ anti law, irrationality and anti America. They don’t even value science anymore, relegating gender to a mindset rather than biology. I mean, that undoes their whole women’s movement, rights of women if there really isn’t a female gender. But they are just knee jerking and have truly lost a whole section of moderate democrats. We are watching the fast fall of the democratic party. This is the way they end, not with a bang but a whining tantrum whimper.

        • OnTheRoad

          Suze, Sgt. and ALL Conservatives…..the main thing we MUST do is “VOTE”! The libs are gonna come out in full force this time, so we better be ready for that. Plus, you know how corrupt they are….they’ll be voting multiple times, vote with dead peoples names, having illegals voting…you whole thing that makes them what they are…”Corrupt lying cheating bastards”! No staying home during EVERY election there is, or we’re done!

          • Suze

            I agree, no complancency any more. I do believe the “sleeping lion” has been awakened. We all need to do our part. The good news is the libs have exposed their true anti America agenda and lost a lot of the moderate democrats and nearly all the blue collar and middle class.

      • Mark Plenn

        The left is like a cancer, it just waits; hiding until the right moment, then strikes again.

    • Suze

      We all knew we were in for a fight, but things will be changed for the better, the direction shifted. And the liberals are so pathetically desparate, they are not making their case. In the end, a better economy, getting better jobs and national security is what wins new converts. And just look at what is happening globally. The pendulum is swinging back. This is just the democrats having nothing to lose by blowing their cover.

    • Mark Plenn

      Do you think any liberal give a rat’s shit about what is good for the Nation?

      • Suze

        No, the liberals hate this nation. Their whole agenda from the forties has been to infiltrate and take down the greatest threat to communism that has ever existed. But their globalist one rule order has bombed, everywhere nations are becoming border oriented and finally waking up to this evil. The left’s achilles heel is they are soul-less. Without faith, they have no hope and no ability to discern what is happening, how they can possibly lose, which is why they lost the election and are losing the bigger fight.

      • OnTheRoad

        No I don’t. All they care about is getting back power. That’s why WE have to fight back, plus make sure ALL of us VOTE! No kidding around. The left is out to bring POTUS and all of us down….and for good!

  • SouthernPatriot

    Rachel does not even have credibility with her wife now. Maddow proved all the demented Democrats wrong: “Trump is not releasing his income taxes, because he paid no income tax since 1999!” Her 20 minute lead-up proves her dementia.

    • Conservative

      No, it shows her vicious, bitter self. What would that pathetic ‘thing’ have if she did not have a place to spew her bitterness and self-hatred? She needs to bow down and worship the evil MSNBC for giving her a job where she can unload all that bitterness and hatred. Oh well, she gives the bitter, dissatisfied and haters a place to go for those as miserable as she is. “Misery loves company”.

      • sweetolbob

        I thing she is so bitter and hateful because she really wants but knows she can’t get…………. “one of Those!”
        Tough Retched ! Maybe you should go see Mr.Bobbit’s surgeon, huh ?

        • Mark Plenn

          That surgeon does good reattachments; but brain surgery is not his best suit.

        • Lizzie2

          Typical fascist thinking. Ignorent, does not know the difference between gay and transgender? But…don’t have to say it….you will not change. Can’t fix stupid. (I learned to say that here)
          And to save you time…do not bother to accuse me of being gay etc. You would be wrong. I am just a real Christian.

          • Suze

            Sure don’t sound like one, calling people stupid and all hung up on labels. I just skimmed a few of your responses here and you’re just a real mess.

          • Arthur Ittus

            And surely you walk on water!
            Who and what are you to judge another, “christian”.
            Must be you don’t look in the mirror~

          • river

            uh scuze me, but every day, every hour, minute, second we human beings ..”judge”…. it’s part of that critical thinking process that the liberal toilet bug has not genetically engineered into it’s thought process.

          • Lizzie2

            No more Joisting river.

          • Arthur Ittus

            Speak for yourself.
            Stop drinking for the toilet, liberal~

          • Suze

            Yes, the liberal trend is to IMPOSE this non judgemental approach on any they judge as incompatible with their ideology. They still haven’t faced that their preaching being non judgemental and all inclusive/tolerant isn’t working anymore. Could have something to do with the blatant hypocrisy of the entire movement. You think?

          • Lizzie2

            No, it’s just our non-fascist bent.

          • Suze

            Imposing your views on how others should behave, talk and even think is the definition of fascist. Do you really see yourself as not wanting to control others?

          • Lizzie2

            “By their words we shall know them”

          • Lizzie2

            Who are you to judge Rachael Maddow?

          • Lizzie2

            Sorry Arthur, I didn’t realize that that comment from you was meant for another.

          • Suze

            We all have to use our judgement in order to discern what’s right from wrong. I hope I am looking in the mirror when I offer an opinion here. You are making a judgement about my being judgemental, but that’s natural since it’s impossible not to form assessments as long as we don’t live in a void. Can anyone say they aren’t making judgements?

            We judge what’s working vs what isn’t, what contradicts stated policies, and rely ultimately on our instinctual ‘judgement’ to survive.

            I don’t apologize for using my sense of judgement.

          • Arthur Ittus

            Didn’t and don’t expect any~

          • Suze

            That isn’t true that you didn’t expect some sort of apologetic for judging. It was implied in your criticism of my being critical. But maybe we can agree at this point that we can’t avoid judging.This topic has had it’s air time, eh?

          • Lizzie2

            Oh! for heaven’s sake. Knock it off Suze

          • Shelly Shannon

            You said in one comment you can judge who ever you like. So who are you to judge anybody either?

          • Lizzie2

            Don’t shut him up….

          • Shelly Shannon

            Why not?

          • Lizzie2

            Because he seems to be agreeing with me…don’t stop him, I can use the company.

          • Lizzie2

            Thank you for your assessment of my behavior. When I refer to “Christian” I mean to highlight the hypocricy of those pious, bible quoting religious believers who fail to have learned the true message of the New Testament.

          • Suze

            We are all capable of hypocrisy (especially in areas of our lives we haven’t examined), and in each party there are policies which on their face can be interpretted as lacking compassion, certainly can be explained as going against Christian values, but it doesn’t mean that’s the case. The most reliable indicator is revealed in the fruit; Christ taught we know a tree by its fruit, no matter what it claims to be, look at the results. My objection to the liberal policies is they claim to stand for one thing but deliver another. And it seems that a majority of Americans have made a similar observation. One of the biggest dangers progressives now face is that their radical anti law enforcement, anti American values, anti “working government”, anti tolerance, anti family, etcl, so many of the old democratic platforms, and they are losing their moderates as in a mass exit. I am watching this happen. They really need to rethink their brand instead of doubling down, but not holding my breath.

          • Lizzie2

            I have not seen many examples of Christian values here. I see name calling, racism, nasty attacks when commenting and intolerance. I can’t see why you feel that it is worth your time; considering your present duties. I also find that your comment regarding certain changes in some European nations is interesting. Are you implying that this heralds a spreading movement away from democratic principals towards a more authoritarian & centralized form of government? A consolidation of power perhaps? Deconstruction perhaps?
            One more thing….you mention anti tolerance in a thread that contains rants against homosexuality in the nastiest and judgemental language. How is that?

          • Suze

            Lizzy, I will try to respond to your several comments here. The Christian values comment I cannot answer adequately since we would need to unpack our different definitions of what those values are, where we derive our sources…you know in any real debate the first priority is to define your common terms. “Christian values” for each of us is subjective, and I would suggest you have trampled on some of your own professed values. Just read your comments.
            The other thing about taking the time to write considering what I do, I have that kind of constitution and I write fast; to be fair, it’s one of the things I do is to write, so it’s at the tip of my thought processes. I am used to it. And like anything we do a lot we gather the ready vernacular, etc.
            I don’t believe I said anything racist or homophobic but rather observed that the genderless emphasis that is the current liberal ideology does not reconcile with their women’s movement, and also that if gender is a state of mind (versus biology) then so can race be a matter of opinion.
            Finally, the global scene is telling as to what we are doing here in this country. Politics is just history in the making, and if you note trends historically it is obvious the pendullum from the global one rule order that was (only a few years ago) considered viable has now, even according to Bernie Sanders, begun swinging back, and with a fury. He just said that it has failed (his comment after Brexit). What we are seeing as a result is this trend toward nationalism again, and it is not happening calmly or compassionately but as a means of cultural and national self defense. No insults of “protectionism, isolationism” from the left matters to people when they feel this threatened as Europe is right now and where America nearly is. And we haven’t even seen how people will react if crazy North Korea with their strange new bedfellow Iran decide to let loose. I pray to God this won’t happen but would be foolish to deny it couldn’t in this volatile global environment.
            In answer to your question about democrats, their ideology right now is not resonating as it was, say ten years ago and now is risking having to rebrand. In fact, by doubling down in face of this current trend, the party itself does seem to be allowing the extreme left to consume it. I know it is very hard for progressives to admit this, but if you look at Hollywood’s last Oscars show viewership ratings it will tell you what you want to know. Same thing with the mainstream lberal media. Both have been arms of the liberal ideology and both are becoming obsolete. It doesn’t mean they don’t have a following, but no longer central to shaping mindsets and dictating the country’s direction, much to their incredulity. People have other options and are taking them and simply not waiting to be given permission to do that.

          • Lizzie2

            A majority of Americans did not vote for Trump. It is important for you to acknowledge this…..he won based upon Electoral College states; but more PEOPLE voted for Hillary. You can wrap yourselves into pretzels by trying to deny this but facts are facts. A greater number of living, breathing, walking around people chose Hillary over Trump.

          • Suze

            The reason we have the electoral college which is based on a Republic versus a majority wins democracy run nation is unique to our country so that the cities cannot dominate the rest of us. I have no problem admitting that the majority of voters didn’t want Trump. That doesn’t matter. What is most telling is that based on what liberals were supposed to be able to win using the electoral college, Hillary lost anyway. That’s how against her a big part of the country was. Liberals lost their base of blue collar and middle class voters. They (you) have become the elite city dwellers, out of touch with the fact that this country isn’t all about you.

          • Lizzie2

            Oh for God’s sake Suze…not another lecture please.

          • Suze

            You might learn something so as to avoid asking questions which expose your ignorance concerning our unique country. My response that you have called a lecture is actually just a clarification of why our country is not about majority rules in response to your comment to delegitimize President Trump because he did not get the ‘popular’ vote versus the electoral college. If you take that as a ‘lecture’, it could be the reason you seem to know so little.
            Most constitutionally informed Americans know the difference between America being a Republic versus being exclusively ruled by majority rules. But I DO thank you for the opportunity to restate that for any interested readers here on this site.

          • Lizzie2

            Oh stop Suze (or whom ever you are) You understand the point that I have been making. You all just cannot wait to give another lesson about the Electoral College. How many times do I have to acknowledge the fact that Trump (god help us all) IS the President….fair and square as far as the Electoral College is concerned. You are disingenuously avoiding discusion of my position.
            My point has always been that your group seems to think that we all should shut up; that our misgivings regarding the people who surround Trump and the involvement of a foreign government in our election should be ignored. Trump will not discuss his ties with known alt-right individuals, nor why he refuses to comment, on the verified fact ,that Russian agents hacked the DNC computers with the intent to influence our election. The country whose leader has been involved in expandling his “empire” by invading neighboring lands and espousing the principles of fascism is a man whom Trump has nothing but kind words to describe him..

          • Suze

            Lizzie, it isn’t true that I understand the point you are trying to make by bringing up the fact that President Trump didn’t win the popular vote, and if it isn’t (as you claim) with the purpose of delegitimizing him, I would like to know what your point is.
            My basic response to any president winning an election w/out winning the popular vote is generally a consequence of a disparity between urban versus rural citizens, and it has happened many times in our history. So, I am truly interested in the point you are making by repeating this same ‘popular’ theme.
            In response to your other comments, Pres. Trump doesn’t comment on a number of issues including his past relationships with alt-right OR alt-left groups prior to his entering politics. Remember he was also accused by many GOP presidential candidates of having been too chummy with alt-left groups.
            I haven’t said anything concerning President Trump’s dealings with Russia other than Maddow’s big scoop tax returns having failed to expose the affiliation she had speculated, but as for his “nice” Putin comments, they weren’t THAT NICE and we will just have to see how warm and fuzzy Trump’s comments are once he has had to deal with the Russian hawk in the trenches. To come to the conclusion, as the liberal media has failed to establish, that he has this bromance with Putin based on what we actually know, is just a democrat political device. As of today in fact, no collusion has been uncovered. But that isn’t shutting down this same old Russian connection mantra, is it?
            And I don’t think those who disagree with our president should shut up, Lizzy.
            I do however challenge this craze of speculating that is now passing for journalism, and those who make arguments based on hypotheticals and fear mongering are part of the problem which is polarizing us right now. It’s the SMOKE that these conspiracy pushers are swearing leads to fire ..right up until it doesn’t, but by then the harm has been done. Why do we need evidence when we can just undermine a president by blowing smoke? And this is why I have zero respect for Maddow who has based her career on musings of what COULD be the case rather than doing hard journalism. But even her followers still have a right to free speech; they just can’t expect to be taken seriously in a grown up debate.

          • Lizzie2

            You two insist on referring back to WIN. You must know that I really mean that TRUMP will not have the support of at least 2 plus million additional persons because that is the total vote for HER against him.
            And now we will all suffer the effects of his Presidency,

          • Suze

            I didn’t know what you meant, because it isn’t what you said. But now I do, and my response is “oh well.”
            That’s the way it goes. The best way is not always the most “popular” way. Our country has always been unique that way, going against the free fall. I am steeled for doing whatever it takes, and I anticipate now that the sleeping lion has been awakened, those who have had enough of this crap are also ready to be out of favor with the insanity of the liberals.
            That has actually been the biggest change in conservatives since they have gotten such a good look at how destructive progressives are and how hugely disasterous the corrupt Hillary would have been as president, is that conservatives just don’t care anymore what the anti America bunch want. We have played nice-nice long enough.

          • 2Deep4_U

            THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN, YOU CAN DRESS IT UP ANY WAY YOU LIKE BUT IT STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN, JUST LIKE SHIT ALWAYS STINK….CHECK

          • Suze

            Again, less sound bites from liberal media and how about some proof to back up your claims. On the contrary the more we are investigating the more democrat’s claim of Russian influencing the election has been founded as groundless. If you actually think Hillary was such a great candidate that she should have won, well there’s just no accounting for tastes. She was probably the worst candidate democrats have ever nominated. And the pendulum was swinging back in the country from the Obama policies, the way elections do every other eight years. We saw the same thing happen with the Brexit vote. Liberals truly believed they had it all tied up, and then whammo, the disenfranchised had had enough and showed up to vote, while the entitled liberals (so bought into their own propaganda that Hillary was an assured win), just thought their individual votes weren’t needed. That’s why republicans won. And now liberals are saying that if they can’t be in power then they won’t play at all, just one tantrum after another. I mean, that’s what you’re doing her with your mean spirited tirade.

          • 2Deep4_U

            WHEN YOU HAVE GANGSTERS INVESTIGATING GANGSTERS IT’S ALWAYS GOING TO BE FOUND TO BE GROUNDLESS……

          • Suze

            See, this is a truism, a generalization that makes sense, but need examples of who are the gangsters doing the investigating and who are those being investigated and how you know they are these alleged gangsters or it’s just gossip.

          • 2Deep4_U

            I KNOW THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN BY GANGSTERS AND THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WAS WRITTEN BY GANGSTERS, AND I KNOW THIS GOVERNMENT IS RUN BY GANGSTERS.
            WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW? IF YOU THINK IT’S GOSSIP YOU’RE A DUMBASS SOB…CHECK

          • Suze

            Well, what you have disclosed here about your own anti America ideology diqualifies you from any further debate concerning our government, rule of law, etc.. As far as I am concerned you have nothing further to contribute. You are not interested in the welfare of this nation, so you should not benefit by it either and good news is nobody is forcing you to stay.
            I would be interested in what you consider a country that doesn’t fit the gangster description you have painted of this nation.

            And that is where you should go big caps. Bye bye. Check.

          • 2Deep4_U

            YOU NEVER REALLY HAD ANYTHING TO SAY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN’T STOP SAYING IT.
            YOU WANT TO DISCUSS BULLSHIT BACK AN FORTH ALL DAY TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK INTELLIGENT WHEN IN FACT YOU’RE DUMB AS A FUCKING CHICKEN.

            TRUMP IS A GANGSTER THAT IS AS PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON YOUR FACE, BUT YOU ASK A STUPID QUESTION LIKE ( WHAT DO YOU MEAN TRUMP IS A GANGSTER? ) IT’S LIKE TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A 2 YEAR OLD CHILD WHO KEEP ASKING WHY, WHY, WHY.
            WITH YOUR GODDAMN IGNORANT MENTALLY YOU NEED TO LIMIT ALL FUTURE CONVERSATION TO CHILDREN UNDER 3 YEARS OLD……CHECK

          • Suze

            I don’t have to say anything anymore to you psychotic one. You damn yourself all by yourself. Have at it. You have blown your anti America cover in CAPITAL LETTERS. You hate this country and what it stands for. All we needed to know.

          • 2Deep4_U

            IT STANDS FOR WHITE SUPREMACY AND THAT’S ALL IT EVER STOOD FOR, AND YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I HATE WHITE SUPREMACY WITH A PASSION…….CHECK

          • Suze

            they’re coming to take you away, ha ha.
            they’re coming to take you away, ha ha.
            to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time,
            and you’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white suits
            because they’re coming to take you away, ha ha.
            lots of people you can talk to there you will enjoy and they give you a special kind of jacket to wear and very cushiony wallpaper.

          • 2Deep4_U

            THEY MIGHT COME TAKE YOUR GODDAMN DUMBASS AWAY.
            I’M GOD I DARE A MOTHERFUCKER TO TRY AND TAKE ME AWAY.

            VENGEANCE IS MINE…CHECK

          • Suze

            You just answered the first question asylums ask potential “inmates” concerning their identity. You believing you’re God

            will help you get signed in pretty fast. Keep it up funny farm fella!!! They’re coming to take you away.

            My goodness how upset you’ve made yourself.

          • 2Deep4_U

            I DON’T HAVE TO BE UPSET TO STATE FACTS , THAT IS YOUR GODDAMN TWISTED MIND SET.
            MOST OF THE PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS AT THE ASYLUMS NEED TO BE INMATES THEMSELVES, SO I DON’T NEED TO BE VALIDATED BY A FUCKING SOCIOPATH WHO IS JUST AN ASSHOLE WITH A DEGREE…..YOU’RE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO BE VALIDATED BY SOME DAMN DUMB ASS WIZARD BEHIND A CURTAIN…..
            YOU IN YOUR IGNORANCE CAN’T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RAGE AND WISDOM, HOW UNEDUCATED CAN YOU BE?…..CHECK

          • Suze

            I’m starting to feel badly that you’re this upset. Have a cup of tea and breathe slowly.

          • 2Deep4_U

            I DON’T WANT OR NEED YOUR PHONY GODDAMN SYMPATHY SAVE IT FOR YOURSELF , YOU NEED IT.
            ACTUALLY I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR GENETIC RECESSIVE GENES YOU’RE DYING OFF FASTER THAN YOU ARE REPRODUCING, IT WON’T BE LONG BEFORE YOU’RE OUT OF HERE FOR GOOD…LOL
            YOU’RE LIKE A BANANA PEEL IN THE DESERT YOUR ASS IS BIODEGRADABLE, REST IN PEACE MF…..CHECK

          • Suze

            This delusional chess game you’re playing where you imagine you are winning is one of the saddest things I have seen in a while.
            And as far as hell goes, you are already in it. Just look at yourself. I mean it man, you’re in a bad way.

          • 2Deep4_U

            YOU WISH MF, YOU WISH.
            IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I MEET A WHITE GIRL DUMB ENOUGH TO THINK SHE IS WISER THAN GOD BUT YOU WIN THE JACKPOT HONEY…..CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING THE DUMBEST WHITE GIRL I HAVE MEET IN A LONG TIME……I’LL GIVE YOU E FOR EFFORT I MIGHT EVEN MARRY YOUR RACIST DUMBASS ONE DAY, BUT DON’T COUNT ON IT BITCH….CHECK

          • Suze

            Which race do you assume I am? You tell on your own festering racism by this statement. Wrong again. And my answer to your marriage proposal is NO.
            That I am “smarter than you” is a no brainer, evidenced by how easily you can be provoked to expose your true self.
            Delusion, the variety you suffer from is a serious illness, from which few recover.
            All enmity aside, you really do need to get some help. You are at war with humanity; it’s the hell you have created for yourself.

          • 2Deep4_U

            I REALLY DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT RACE YOU ARE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE WHITE TO BE A WHITE SUPREMACIST, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY IGNORANT SELFHATING MOTHERFUCKER TO BE A NONWHITE WHITE SUPREMACIST.
            I WOULD NEVER MARRY A GODDAMN RACIST MISOGYNIST HYPOCRITICAL NEANDERTHAL BECAUSE I WOULD STRANGLE YOUR ASS ON OUR HONEYMOON.

            I’M NOT AT WAR WITH HUMANITY I AM AT WAR WITH INHUMANE WHITE RACIST MISOGYNIST EVIL ALBINOID DEVILS STRAIGHT OUTTA HELL…..CHECK
            DOG IS YOUR BEST FRIEND.
            GOD IS MY BEST FRIEND WE’RE COMPLETE OPPOSITES………CHECKMATE.

          • Suze

            You are not acting like God is your best friend. Way too toxic and racist and completely insane. Wow, you’re WAY out of control and don’t have any idea how whacko you are. You’re going to bust a vein in your overheated brain. I am really starting to feel sorry for you man. And this pathetic ‘checkmate’ routine is truly pitiful.

          • 2Deep4_U

            CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH THAT THE BLACK MAN AND WOMAN IS GOD AND GOD IS OUR BEST FRIEND, BECAUSE WE’RE THE ONLY FRIENDS WE HAVE.
            LUCKY FOR US WE DON’T NEED TO BE VALIDATED BY FILTH LIKE YOU.
            THE TRUTH REMAINS THE SAME REGARDLESS TO WHO IS WILLING TO VOICE IT.

          • Suze

            you poor thing

          • 2Deep4_U

            LOL, GOT THAT LITTLE PEA BRAIN SMOKING DON’T I BABY?

            YOU’RE LIGHTWEIGHT JUST ADMIT IT TAKE A STEP BACK AND LET A HEAVYWEIGHT STEPUP, IF YOU HAVE ONE, BUT I GUARANTEE I’LL SMOKE HIS ASS TO…CHECKMATE

          • Suze

            Yeah, how bout those Mets?

          • 2Deep4_U

            METS = BULLSHIT I DON’T GET INTO BULLSHIT THAT’S YOUR EXPERTISE…

          • Don’t waste your time with 2DEEPSH1T. You’d have better luck reasoning with a wall!!

          • Suze

            Yes, I agree. I regret even trying. Certifiable. Thank you.

          • canda

            Oh go phuck yourself!

          • 2Deep4_U

            THAT WOULD BE INCEST, BESIDES I’M TOO BUSY FUCKING YOUR MOMMA SHE JUST CAN’T GET ENOUGH OF THIS ALABAMA BLACK SNAKE.
            YOU KNOW ONCE THEY GO BLACK THEY NEVER GO BACK…….CHECK

          • Shelly Shannon

            Except the popular vote means nothing in our election process. You guys need to wrap your heads around the fact that all Hillarys blue states turned their backs on her and walked the other way. She had no message but to continue on with a third term of Obama. All those blue state voters were tired of Obamas failed policies and decided Trump was better, and he is. I don’t know why all you liberals think it was anything more than that.

          • Lizzie2

            Once again….I am NOT disputing the results of the election. Each time this is mentioned I receive defensive responses and lectures about the Electoral College. It is as though some of you Trump fans are unable to accept the facts….like Donald you want to believe that most everyone loves him. My point is that Two and one half million people chose not to vote for him, we have not gone away…we are still here evaluating almost every thing that he says and does. Making this population irrelevent just ensures a failed presidency for “the Donald”. History books will eventually tell the story.

            amer

          • Shelly Shannon

            Why is it defensive to state a fact? 63 million people didn’t vote for Clinton either. That isn’t the point. The point is that false narratives not only by the media but also by anti-Trump supporters are made up lies about this man. Like this stupid investigation about collusion with the Russians. This investigation has been going on since last July and there is absolutely no evidence of colusion, but you guys can’t accept the evidence that is right in front of you. You people cannot accept the fact that Trump was duly elected by the people. Clinton lost because she wasn’t what the blue states wanted. He has proven the left wrong time after time. The deceipt coming from the left is sickening. Their lies and disrespect for him are outlandish crap, and you people just follow along like the Pied Piper. This is all about one thing. The left is looking for any reason what so ever to delegitimise this President and no matter how you look at it this is wrong. Not to mention that more time is being spent on trying to dig up nothing on Trump all the while nothing is being done about confidential info being leaked. The left doesn’t care about that though because right now it doesn’t fit their narrative. This is a true threat to our national security. You can spin it any way you want but you can’t prove what isn’t there. And by the way, I already know about Trumps past. The question is do you know enough about the horrible and corrupt past of the Clintons, because I do. The difference here is that there was actual evidence against her even without Weakileaks, who didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know, and there is no evidence of any corruption about this President.

          • Lizzie2

            Your comment “left looking to delegitimise Trump” is laughable when you consider the eight year Trump campaign to delegitimise President Obama. His attempts to prove that my president was “born in Kenya” When he could no longer defend the validity of his witch hunt, he mumbled, like a child caught in a lie. . Still, he could not bring himself to act like a grown up and apologize.

          • Lizzie2

            I guess you missed yesterday’s press conference. If you had watched Rachael last night you would have learned how it was technically accomplished. Pretty darn elegant.

          • Sore losers.

          • They weren’t all citizens, though.

          • Lizzie2

            You are kidding Right?

          • Suze

            Not kidding at all. Stating the obvious.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Sounds to me like she has only spoken the truth. See Lizzie, you made my point exactly about liberals. You have been preaching throughout your posts about how devisive all the comments are. You have a different and logical view point right in front of you, and you cannot respond because you are unaccepting of Suze’s opinion because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Well Lizzie, you say you are a real Christian, but you have now accused others here of being fascist, and you say you are not gay that you are a true Christian. I am also a Christian. I believe that God never makes mistakes because he is perfect. He he made us to be the exact gender we were born to be. The New Testament says a man only lies with a woman and it is an abomination for man to lie with another man and the same for a woman. Since Christian belief does not deal in principles but in only the word of God, I do not understand why you are calling people out for not supporting gay lifestyles or transgenders if you believe in true Christianity as you say you do.

          • Suze

            Shelly, did you mean this comment for me? I think you meant it for Lizzy.

          • Shelly Shannon

            My apologies. I did mean it for Lizzie.

          • Suze

            That’s OK. I don’t think it will register with her however. She’s a Maddow worshipper who constantly demeans Christians as an antiquated people.

          • Shelly Shannon

            It is interresting how she thinks. You know, it is always easier to believe in nothing than it is to believe in something. I have always believed…you dance with the devil, the devil doesn’t change, the devil changes you. I just can’t figure out if they really believe what they tout. Look at Maddow. She was elated about thinking she was going to be able to destroy our President. That is what scares me.

          • Suze

            I have a friend (well HAD this friend) whom I hadn’t seen for decades and had changed from being a God seeker to living in her ‘relative’ truth which is subject to change depending on what justifies whatever she wants to be true. And she watches Maddow. This ex friend used to quote science and psychiatry, Descartes and Buddha and Christ and was clearly interested in sorting the crap from the real, but now she has lost her way. It’s all emotionally driven for her now. Once in a while she would admit she needed to get back to working on herself spiritually, but I have given up on her after this length of time. I don’t know what happened to her. But she has an answer for everything as to why obvious evidence is not enough to wake her up. I had to let her go. It was fruitless and, to be honest, sad for me to see.

          • Shelly Shannon

            We see this sort of thing every day with the liberal mindset. It’s almost like a contageous narcissim where none of them can think independently of the other. I have talked to a few, and it’s almost as tho they start to accept truth, and then all of a sudden their mind snaps back into denial and kaos. They are never tracked emotionally. Almost scared to see the truth and evidence for what it is. The other day I read a an article written by a liberal. He stated he could not understand why Trump supporters were so mean and hateful to the liberals and why Trump supporters were physically harmful to them. It was all out projection even when evidence has been shown of liberals physically assaulting Trump supporters. Evidence that has shown liberals destroying personal property. Evidence that has shown our President has been innocent of false narratives made up from the left. This is why I believe If you don’t have God you will have no stability in your mind, your life, or your actions, and that path will lead you into self denial and from there you end up following the mindless leader.

          • Suze

            Yes, I have seen the exact reaction from the liberals as you have described. They come right up to the edge of having to admit what they see with their own eyes, but then knee jerk back to the barn, and the next time you talk to them it’s as though they never were exposed to anything other than the sound bites they have been indoctrinated to believe. And I completely believe as you do that it’s a spiritual matter, as Christ alluded to when He said, “They have no truth in them” and “there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.” I mean, in my Bibles I have a mental picture of these blind liberals posted by these words of Jesus.
            I have written some pieces on this very topic over the last while and see it as the liberals idolatry of self as God, so truth is then relative to each person’s desire of what they want to be true. It’s the definition of delusion, when anyone can invent their own truth. These days the relative truth for these lost liberals has been what they have been indoctrinated to believe, which requires they suspend their capacity to reason. So, it’s a mass delusion we are witnessing.
            The Lord warned us of these days, and I am amazed that we’re living in the midst of it.
            But take heart, the Lord promised He would send us His Holy Spirit to teach us everything, which I believe is why we aren’t falling for this madness. And I also am convinced we will be equipped to fight this good fight with courage, discernment and amazing power. Be of good faith, OK?

          • Shelly Shannon

            I believe God is always working through us. I would like to believe my faith is strong. It is interresting how faith works. When Obama won the Presidency, you never seen this level of hate and discust from the right. We never disrespected him like this. Our Lord knows precisely what he is doing and we can take solace in that.

          • Lizzie2

            Stop talking about me unless you address me directly. Now, as to your cute accusation that I have been demeaning Christians….you have missed my point….I have been calling those of you who claim to value Christian principles to be hypicrites when venting your spleens about human beings who may hold values that differ from yours. This so-called “News source” is a phoney that exists to inflame certain readers….including provoking arguments when opportunities present .themselves.

          • Suze

            One of the rules here on these sites does not include barring discussing bloggers with one another. Sorry if that offends you, but it doesn’t take much.
            And Rachel Maddow is a destructive voice who rates everything she gets. She doesn’t just disagree with conservatives; she reviles and mocks them and all Trump supporters. And this news source that you claim provokes criticism, doesn’t mean it is therefore phony. Some things demand criticizing and flushing down the toilet. And let me ask you, in your opinion, have your own comments contributed to the critical nature of this site?
            As to your understanding of Christian values, I am trying to glean whether it might be the sentimental nominal perspective to merely turn the other cheek, but Jesus had some direct words for phonies like the religious hypocrites posing as know it alls….calling them whitened sepulchers, (translated lifeless graves). He advised His disciples to shake the dust off their sandals of towns that wouldn’t receive them and to cut down the fig trees that don’t bear the fruit they were created for. And he also calls anyone who doesn’t defend their own worse than an infidel and that ultimately all government would fail us and to come out of world, not to assimilate into it.
            I am not sure what Gospel you are following but Jesus of the Scriptures is not only this ground breaking unifier; He is also a truth teller, and He warned any messengers of the Gospel that we would be as offensive as He was.
            I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but I know that living that life literally requires picking up the Cross with Him and comes at a high cost. It is not for wimps or for those bound by politically correct good manners.

          • Lizzie2

            Well say it again Shelly….I am curious.

          • Suze

            Ignorant is spelled with an ‘a’. Usually I don’t comment on other’s creative spelling choices, but when you are calling someone else ignorant, that’s when it’s important to use the correct spelling of that word.

          • Lizzie2

            Ouch! You’ve got me…..Thanks for the spelling lesson.

          • Arthur Ittus

            Oh dear, a fckn critic~

          • Suze

            Isn’t that what we are all doing, in some way or other on these sites, being critics?
            Isn’t that what you are doing right here concerning my comment?

          • Arthur Ittus

            Nope~

          • Suze

            Not making your case. Can you explain how you somehow are not being judgemental? Is the answer to that also “Nope”?

          • Arthur Ittus

            I don’y have to make my case to anyone, and will judge as I may-

          • Suze

            so at least you admit you do judge, which WAS my point. OF course you don’t HAVE to make your case. But I suspect it’s more like you cannot make it.
            Nevertheless, you still have a right to an opinion, even if you can’t back it up.

          • 2Deep4_U

            WE HAVE A GANGSTER RUNNING THE WHITE, A GANGSTER RUNNING THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AND A GANGSTER RUNNING THE SENATE AND YOU HAVE THE GAUL TO ASK ME TO BE SPECIFIC.
            YOU’RE EITHER BEING FACETIOUS OR YOURE THE DUMMIEST JACKASS I KNOW.
            IF YOU’RE REALLY THAT DAMN DUMB TRYING TO ELABORATE WOULD BE A TOTAL WASTE OF MY PREIOUS TIME. I HAVE NO TIME FOR PEOPLE THAT DAMN DUMB…….SORRY

          • Arthur Ittus

            Caps must be stuck ckbrth!
            Show me the way~

          • 2Deep4_U

            THAT SHOWS YOUR DAMN DEEP STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE. THE WORLD IS GOING TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET AND YOUR BIGGEST WORRY IS SOME GODDAMN CAPS.
            WAY TO GO ASSHOLE.

          • Arthur Ittus

            GO FUCK YOURSELF! COCKBREATH~

          • 2Deep4_U

            I’LL FUCK MYSELF WHEN YOU STOP FUCKING YOUR MOMMA AND YOUR DAMN DAUGHTER MOTHERFUCKER……CHECK

          • Shelly Shannon

            That is exactly what he is doing.

          • Suze

            Part of the liberal mind game paralysis is to try and recondition natural responses, which in this case entails trying to shut down normal judging instincts, to the point of reconditioning people to revile their own instincts to survive. Thank God there are still enough people with instincts intact and the good common sense the Lord has instilled in us to JUDGE that this liberal crap is bullshit and we are not compelled to play by their counter intuitive rules.

          • 2Deep4_U

            Conservatives have a lot more CRAP than liberals, so what the hell are you talking about?
            DO you even know?……I didn’t think so.

          • Suze

            Perhaps you could be more specific in what kind of crap conservatives are involved in right now so we could actually discuss this. It doesn’t look like you need me for this internal debate however, as you just provided the answer you would have me give. Are you just here to spew?

          • 2Deep4_U

            IT AIN’T NOTHING BUT A MOTHERFUCKING GANGSTER PARTY……CHECK

          • Suze

            All caps and cursing doesn’t add more substance to your answer. Provide examples of what you mean or you’re just a screaming emotional baby. Prove your handle that you are 2Deep4 US instead of all this toxic immaturity.
            Not making your case whatsoever. Only exposing how upset and out of control you are.

          • 2Deep4_U

            WRITING A PAGE FULL OF USELESS DRIVEL IN SMALL LETTERS DON’T PROVE A DAMN THING , IT DOESN’T TAKE ALL DAY TO TELL THE TRUTH BUT YOU CAN LIE ALL DAY LONG , BUT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS OR ADD TO THE SUBSTANCE.

            YOUR PAGES OF BULLSHIT JUST MEANS YOU’RE MORE FULL OF SHIT THAN MOST…CHECK

          • Suze

            Again, and still…no specifics, not making your case IN GREAT BIG LETTERS so everyone can see how you are NOT making your case.
            Can only gather you have nothing to offer.
            Alas, I suspected that already, but wanted to give you a chance to prove otherwise.

          • 2Deep4_U

            I GUESS YOU SET HIM STRAIGHT….

          • Suze

            I don’t have any illusions about being able to set someone who is mired in their bias straight. But maybe he did realize he couldn’t make much of a case for others being judgemental when he was, by the nature of his comments, doing the same thing. But who knows!?

          • river

            Hey, lizard brain…. Transgender is an umbrella term for many sexual disorders and sexual paraphilia. Might I suggest that you spend less time in the men’s bathroom buying your gum outa those big silver machines. It’s difficult to understand why you think that gum tastes like rubber.

          • Lizzie2

            I feel pity for you; you obviously have hang-ups regarding sexuality. You really need to update you knowledge of the subject, Medical research is moving ahead…keep up. And do not let your internal fears determine what you think about other human beings. It is your own “lizard brain” that needs to evolve to the size of a human brain.

          • river

            Pity is one of those self debilitating emotions that the left cannot comprehend, it feeds their delusions as it obviously does for your underdeveloped emotions. Perhaps your gender confusion leads your critical thinking like a horse to the leftist barn.

          • Lizzie2

            You just cannot comprehend the fact that there is room to defend others on principal alone. I’ve been waiting for you to make a comment about my identification…..it took you awhile to release your venom.
            The debilitation is something you must deal with alone. If you have a friend /relative who is “in the closet” that person would NEVER reveal him/her self to you ,with your attitude. Debilitating attitude? Not Me!

          • river

            LOL… a useful idiot with a useful rant.. In one breath you’re ranting about “studies”.. the next you’re ranting about “principal”… .Who’s principal? The principal you hear inside, or outside your delusional skull? Never mind answering that, either way it could be psychotic.

          • Lizzie2

            Stop diagnosing

          • river

            quit projecting…. I got a little piece of insight for ya: The probability of being diagnosed is directly proportional to the stupidity of one’s behavior….~~~~ River

          • river

            Oh, and by the way lizzardbrain… I know dozens who have come outa the closet, unfortunately… they’re all dead, from AIDS. Any good news for the rest of the Normal world that you have to offer about the emotional investment into Transgenders?

          • Arthur Ittus

            “fortunately” they’re all dead~

          • river

            They died a horrible death. However, lizard breath here, only cares about the principal of coming out of the closet.

          • Lizzie2

            Wrong

          • Lizzie2

            Are you sure that you represent Normal?

          • river

            I can prove I’m normal…. but don’t think I’m gonna waste that time on you. You wouldn’t recognize it.

          • Lizzie2

            You mean that you will not show me your marvelous penis? Shucks!.

          • river

            That thing scares me… why would I wanna scare you?

          • Lizzie2

            Now that’s funny! Thanks for the laugh.

          • river

            Now that Trump has been vindicated having NO collusion, and 0 collusion from his team, you’re not gonna go out and hurt yourself are ya?

          • river

            No wait, don’t hurt yourself over Trump…. hurt yourself over this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQBicszG14

          • river

            No wait, don’t hurt yourself over Trump…. hurt yourself over this: https://www.youtube.com/wat

          • Shelly Shannon

            Lizzie, I think you should take your own advise and bone up. Do you realize how high the number of transgenders there are that go back to being their original sex because their thought process failed them. Not to mention the high number of suicides that it causes. I have read a slew of professional articles on transgenderism, and the facts are clear that more and more transgenders realize they have made a mistake. Fortunately a large number of them realize this before any surgery is performed. On the other hand being gay is not the problem. A Christian holds to the principle that it is the sexual act that is against a Christian’s belief.

          • Lizzie2

            References Shelly, references. Otherwise I am forced to believe that you are making stuff up.
            1) Your are confused about definitions…..being gay is not being transgendered.
            2) Gays cannot change…..when they commit suicide it is because of punishment, alienation, general rejection by family/friends. This is why programs for teens are now helping them and their families to understand their situations.
            3) Transgender is a situation that originates when the fetus in the early stages of development. It might be difficult for some to grasp, but it is absolutely NOT being gay. Trans children have always perceived themselves as being a different sex then is defined NOT by sex orgins, but by who they KNOW is truth.
            Most of these do not “kill themselves”. Trans kid’s parents learn early on that their child does not identify as what they seem.to be. And thank God there is plenty of help for these children today. Their ORIGINAL sex is not an appropriate or correct definition of any.one.
            4) I do not accept your statement re: “having read a slew of Professional articles” If they were “professional” they would have told true facts.

          • Lizzie2

            River….you are not a real person….if you are you are a crude, rude and ignorant one.

          • river

            I’m only crude, rude, and highly intelligent towards demented liberal dopes who cant seem to elevate themselves above toilet bug status without being self loathing sewage germs fresh outa the petri dish. And you qualify.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Well Lizzie, you state you are a true Christian, but you have accused people here of being fascist, stupid, and ignorant. The New Testament says…It is an abomination for man to lie with another man as with a woman. They shall be put to death and their blood shall be upon them. A woman to lie with another woman as with a man is an abomination also. Christians also believe God is perfect and he never makes mistakes. Do you as a true Christian believe that? I believe that we were born to be the exact gender God wanted us to be. He intended us to live our lives that way. So I am confused about how you can defend gays and transgenders on principle when Christian principles are defending the word of God not the word or deeds of man.

          • Lizzie2

            Because there are little to no signs that persons such as you do anything more than self-serving & pious judgement of others here. Then you quote writings of mostly, ignorant and illiterate residents of ancient times. Of course those writings refer to God as he, and had absolutely no scientific knowledge. Their jobs were to establish and maintain order in their tribes, for survival. These are old testament writings…..if you are truly interested in Christian principals you would be quoting Christ……not ancients ; you know…the ones who murdered JC for his teachings.? Shelly…unlock your mind and see that you cannot use words to justify your bias. Otherwise you would be seeing gay, transgender human beings respectfully. If your beliefs turn out to be true…then the rest of us will be burning in hell.

            So why is it so important that your views be the only truth? Why am I bothered by comments here? Because I have seen friends of mine who were tortured by their hidden identities. I never understood, because I did not know…..thus I expressed my opinions freely never realizing how much they hurt.
            I have seen the straight sister of a dying young man faithfully provide care and comfort to her brother whom she loved. I left the hospital that day thinking ” that could have been one of my beloved brothers!” That was my moment of Zen; I recognized that this was not about me! Not about my personal dislike of the thought of a physical act between two other beings. I had been dehumanizing people in total ignorence. So I ceased self-rightous judgement and set out to learn what is known about gender identity.. Of course some here are now absolutely convinced about me personally.
            I hope that some of those who use religion to justify their bias; their male jokes about Lesbians who “really want a penis” and the rest.

      • Mark Plenn

        You must be speaking of Madcow!

      • Lizzie2

        And you have no problem here? Vicious? bitterness? hatred? You don’t notice any of that here?

      • Lizzie2

        Are you sure that you are not referring to the “Patriots” here?

    • curmudgeon VN Veteran

      In case you are having a rough day, here’s a stress management technique recommended in all the latest psychological journals. The funny thing is that it really does work and will make you smile.

      1. Picture yourself lying on your belly on a warm rock that hangs out over a

      crystal clear stream.

      2. Picture yourself with both your hands dangling in the cool running water.

      3. Birds are sweetly singing in the cool mountain air.

      4. No one knows your secret place.

      5. You are in total seclusion from that hectic place called the world.

      6. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascade of serenity.

      7. The water is so clear that you can make out the face of the liberal Democrat you are holding underwater.

      See it worked. You’re smiling. You feel better already.

      • bikerchick22

        this is awesome!!

      • David Hayden

        Best comment of the day!!! Love it. Thank you.

      • SouthernPatriot

        When younger, I definitely did Numbers 1 – 6. I am still waiting for the opportunity to fulfill Number 7.

        Thanks. It definitely works!

      • Mark Plenn

        I like that; you have my vote for Mayor of Philadelphia, even though I live in Jersey; but if the Demorats can get away with voting in other states I guess I’ll try.

      • river

        I feel much better now. I feel like breaking some glass, starting a fire, gritting my teeth and shouting racial slurs… The snowflake serenity really did it for me.

        • 2Deep4_U

          IGNORANT ASS MF

    • William Konrad

      I’m really getting confused: “Rachel does not even have credibility with her wife now.” I thought Rachel was a woman, please correct me, is she a woman, man or a lesbian. Enquiring minds want to know.

      • Suze

        genderless

        • Mark Plenn

          Gender is a state of mind not a state of being!

          • Suze

            “Gender is a state of mind not a state of being!”

            Well, there goes the liberal idol/authority of SCIENCE and, if you think about it, the WOMEN’S MOVEMENT.

          • SouthernPatriot

            My beloved red head bride of now over a half century, laughed at that one, as did I!

          • Suze

            SouthernPatriot,
            It’s funny but ALSO the truth. How can the liberals reconcile their women’s movement with gender being a state of mind? How can they insist on genderless bathrooms based on which sex you identify with and then demand special rights for women? Next thing they will insist is that race is also a state of mind, and that blows the black lives matter movement. Hey, we can all claim we’re black then and put an end to the debate.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Thank you Suze! I have been trying to explain that same thought process for a long time now.

          • Suze

            I don’t know how anyone can EXPLAIN the liberal ideology which doesn’t agree with itself. Liberals can’t and they’re the ones who created it.
            It’s insanity. Ever try to reason with a clinically deluded person? I have (well not seriously tried to reason with them because they were institutionalized; I used to work at the psyche ward at the VA at Duke) and the alt left liberals right now are just as out of touch. They cannot reconcile their own policies with their own policies. It’s why they always shut down debates with race cards, etc., like a robot who is fed information and goes into overdrive, “cannot compute, cannot compute.” Here they’re pushing full throttle for gender being a mindset and the genderless family unit while depending on their women’s rights movement for ‘mothers’ and girls being able to compete in male sports, etc. So, if we agree there is no gender then there are no gender based rights. Also this means that science/biology is no longer the measure of what is fact (long democratic claimed territory). And dems have been mocking faith communities for fifty years based on lack of scientific fact, that one’s beliefs are not enough to determine what is real, and here these liberals are now demanding respect for doing the same thing. So, they lose every agument. But here’s the thing: they don’t care. It’s just emotional. They want what they want, all rationality aside. Not at all aware that they are losing converts by the thousands every single day. The nature of delusion is the deluded are not able to see themselves objectively. are not capable of computing reality. But everyone outside of them stays clear. I can understand why for nearly 1500 years the insane were considered possessed. Could still be valid.

          • Lizzie2

            Could not help yourself.

          • river

            Gender, is flatly a state of genetic existence. Don’t believe me? Go trade in your genes for another model.

      • sweetolbob

        William:
        If you really want to know, you’ll have to go look. Count me out of that please ! ******FOOGIE !

      • Suze

        The genderless sect are offended if either one is considered wife or husband in a relationship. They are sexless. Entities without biological distinction except for their mindset of the moment which is subject to change.

        • Lizzie2

          Gee, your writings appear to be knowledgeable. But they are not….they show a great deal of ignorance, in fact. Your reference to “sect” indicates that you might be thinking in religious terms.

          • Suze

            “Sect” in this case is the appropriate term. And all comprehensively educated individuals must have knowledge of religion. In fact, the first education degrees were in philosophy-religion, one could not exist without the other. Even uber liberal universities require religious survey classes, the basis of different cultures’ mythologies, classic literature and you name it.

          • river

            All religions have influenced sexual behavior as long as man walked this earth. But the clear distinction between normal sexuality and sexual paraphilia is the absence of religion, no matter how hypocritical it is communicated, otherwise.
            .
            “The absence of God is evil.”…~~~ Albert Einstein

          • Lizzie2

            Don’t be so sure. One cannot use religion, ancients did not have the information that exists today; Therefore any behavior that deviated from the understood had to be evil. Not to mention that the survival of the tribe was dependent upon breeding more tribe members.
            A female’s sexual orientation also appears to be partly influenced by her level of exposure to the male sex hormone androgen when she is in the womb. Greater hormone exposure correlates with more gender nonconformity early in her life (as a child, she may be called a “tomboy”), as well as a same-sex orientation later on. A study by Dutch psychologists published in the March issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine reported that 10 to 12 percent of male and female children who feel discomfort with their gender go on to identify as gay or lesbian as adults. Meanwhile, just 1 or 2 percent of children who are comfortable with their gender identity turn out to be gay or lesbian.

          • Shelly Shannon

            These are opinions from those studies. They are not proof studies. A child has no comprehention of what being comfortable in their body is emotionally until the logical side of their brain is developed which isn’t until around the age of 12. Most children don’t realize they are gay until their high school years. It is more likely that young children are convinced by parents they are different.

          • Lizzie2

            What is a proof study? And tell it to parents who are coping with 5 year old boys who want to wear dresses. You do not know what you are talking about…..What are you reading?
            Try looking elswhere.

          • 2Deep4_U

            I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, IF YOU’RE WILLING TO AGREE THAT THE MAJORITY OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS BECAUSE AS CHILDREN THEY WERE MOLESTED BY ADULTS WHO HAD NO CONTROL OF THEIR SEXUALITY…..

          • Lizzie2

            You are just plain wrong…..where did you learn this?

          • 2Deep4_U

            DON’T YOU COUNT ON THAT HONEY I’M NOT ALWAYS RIGHT , BUT I AM SELDOM WRONG.

            I LEARN THIS FROM A LICENSED SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST WHO HAS COUNCELLED LOTS OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY’RE HOMOSEXUAL AND ACCORDING TO HIM AFTER STUDYING THEIR BACKGROUND HE FOUND THE ABOUT 90% OF THEM REPORT BEING MOLESTED BY AN OLDER ADULT WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER.
            JUST LIKE WE HAVE HETEROSEXUAL PEDOPHILES WE ALSO HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILES, DON’T BELIEVE ME JUST GO ASK A CATHOLIC PRIEST, OR THE POPE FOR THAT MATTER…
            I’M NOT WRONG YOU JUST CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH REMAINS THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WHO IS WILLING TO VOICE IT.

            THE TRUTH DOESN’T NEED TO BE VALIDATED BY YOUR IGNORANCE……CHECK

          • 2Deep4_U

            I’M WILLING TO BET MY LIFE THAT I AM RIGHT.
            ARE YOU?

      • Lizzie2

        Cute,fake naivety, and incredibly stupid statements. Nasty hatefulness about others. And possibly sexually flawed?.

    • Suze

      It DOES make you wonder why she released this tax return knowing it would discredit her. What is wrong with her?

      • Mark Plenn

        Brain damaged liberal thinking!

        • Suze

          I am not kidding. Something is really LOOSE.

      • SouthernPatriot

        “Reprobate mind” KJAV or “demented mind” modern English. With a demented mind she does not think correctly and somehow thought she would come out looking good since she had the scoop.

        • Suze

          “had the scoop” on the fact that Trump actually was NOT what she was claiming? Just very telling about her desperate mindset.

          • Lizzie2

            Actually….she remains correct.

          • Suze

            If Maddow actually pulled off what she had claimed to have “scooped” it sure isn’t coming off that way. It seems only her most devoted advocates are in her corner on this one. Even MSNBC is ready to get on to the next thing, which was going to be the alleged ties of Trump with Russia, BUT now they are preparing their viewers that there won’t be the findings they had speculated. However, that won’t hobble the conspiracy lovers, the dyed in the wool fans. It’s a rare political follower who is able to separate their emotional faithfulness from the facts. Journalists are supposed to be objective; that once had been their trademark, to be apolitical. But subjectivity even in this field has now become acceptable. So that leaves all of us who are dependent on the media but still are interested in what is really going on versus what we want to be true..to sift through these ‘journalists’ agendas in order to discern the facts. I am in awe as to why some still actually listen to Maddow for their NEWS when she doesn’t even claim to be a literal news source but rather a voice of commentary (opinion).

          • Lizzie2

            1. Yes…there should have been more planning before airing thie segment.
            2. Your face should be red for referring to “Alleged” ties of Trump with Putin. Readers here might believe there are none….but those who pay attention to emerging reports (&vetted facts) are putting pieces together. This flow of information is not going to stop as more Americans focus on European politics. Perhaps not those here, who are addicted to Fake News, and whose minds are set in concrete.
            3′ I will make an assumption here, as you are fond of doing; I guess that you had unwavering trust and belief in all of the “facts” that were fed to the public regarding Hillary……for a good 2-3 years leading up to the last campaign.
            4. When you speak of “journalists” I hope that you are not including the Msrs O’Riley and Hannity whose fans religiously quote.
            5. Rachel’s viewers appreciate her professional approach. It is apparent to us that she, and her very competant staff members , work as a team to produce information that is rigedly inspected for being factual. When she does state wrong or questionable info, she makes corrections in subsequent reporting.
            6) You might not like her animated style during her hour,,,but, by her method of building a knowledge base before discussing a main topic indicates her goal of ensuring clarity and understanding.
            7) Unlike some of us, who are perfect in every way, she made a big mistake! She and MSNBC goofed by rushing to “scoop” the news. regarding Trump’s elusive Tax Returns. The real story should have been who sent the form? (Trump himself) Why 2005?…(.the year following one of his several bankruptcies). Her coustomery ebullience just “done her in” this time. Unfortunately for readers here it was a terrific opportunity to pile on.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Shr remains correct about what? No, her mindset was thinking she would be able to bring him down and she failed.

          • Lizzie2

            He will be brought down eventually. He will do it to himself ,unless Ivanka is successful in her new role in the WH. He cannot be left alone…he does not know how to be a president.

          • Shelly Shannon

            He has done nothing wrong. He is doing exactly what we elected him to do, and he does it better than Obama ever did. You people are the most hateful human beings on this earth. It is totally obvious that liberals don’t care if they lie, they don’t care if they hurt people, they have no compassion for anybody that doesn’t agree with them. You couldn’t care less about the innocent victims that illegal immigrant criminals kill. You still want to protect them. You couldn’t care less about islamic terrorists that jump in through the refugee program and commit terrorist acts. You say, oh well, at least it was only 30. All you liberals care about is wanting death and kaos in this country. It is a shame that the liberal citizens we have in the United States are so anti-American and will do anything and everything to slander and disrespect our President.

    • Mark Plenn

      Vanity, vanity all is vanity; especially with Liberal communists.

      • SouthernPatriot

        Sooooo, true!

      • Suze

        When truth becomes relative (just a matter of opinion), then there is no true north and therefore no compass to navigate by. We are watching what happens when a whole party has bought into their own hype. They are literally delusional now and are in free fall, victims of their own lies. They have lost the ability to discern the difference between reality and what they want to be true. If you can see this, thank your Lord above that you still have the truth in you.

        • Lizzie2

          I assume that you’ve defined those who voted against Hillary

          • Suze

            I am not sure to what comment you are referring here?
            On its face, from my perspective among a diverse people along all party lines, Hillary was able to alienate across the board, each for specific reasons, individual to them. Some simply could not vote for her but did not vote for Trump, and some who had been democrats for generations, actually cast a vote for this man.
            Not clear what you’re saying, Lizzy.

          • Shelly Shannon

            We are people who want to see security, jobs, lower taxes, controlled boarders and a sence of stability put back into our government. Clinton corrupted the state department and Obama’s policies failed. We did not want another 8 years of Obama government and neither did their blue states. We did not hate on others, tear up property, and restrict free speech. We did not protest in the streets and physically harm Obama supporters. We did not show Obama the total disrespect that liberals show our current president. We are the people who elected a president that cares about the hard working people the democrats left behind ages ago. That is who we are.

    • Lizzie2

      Still true? So why do you think he chose 2005? Could it be because he filed for bankruptcy relief in 2004 and was released from $500 million of debt?

      • river

        Is there something wrong with Bankruptcy that we all don’t understand. To BK is a normal part of large corporations that require protection by the beloved federal government. In Trump’s case, as many assets as he owns his only BK options are repayment plans, often used to make a business successful. Trump owns over 500 businesses, he went BK on 4 of them to salvage them. Sounds like a damned good batting average to me.

        • Lizzie2

          Not arguing with your technical description….but wouldn’t you like to see his tax returns for the ensuing years?

          • river

            In all sincerity…. NO…. they have no bearing on his ability to make the decisions we wanted him office to make.

      • Shelly Shannon

        Wow! I think you people are so consumed with hatred that it is becoming an illness for you. You people make it sound like he filed chapter 7 bankrupsies when he actually filed chapter 13. If you don’t know the facts about the different bankrupsies you should do your homework before you put your 2 cents in.

        • Lizzie2

          Lock her up!!!!!

    • Mike Thomas

      With who’s wife, Rachel? I have been trying to decide if she is a man or a woman. I just call he or she Mad Cow.
      He- She acts like she has the disease.

    • Shelly Shannon

      I’m pretty sure if he hadn’t paid taxes since 1999, he would be wearing an orange jump suit by now. And anyway, if he paid his taxes in 2005, why would you think he hasn’t paid them since 1999?

      • Lizzie2

        Read up. It is somewhat complicated…but books have been written that would clear things up for you. I am not referring to Bankruptcy laws here, but the nature of Mr. Trump and his business tactics.

        • Shelly Shannon

          Right! You have problems with Trumps business tactics, but you would see a corrupt, lying, money-laundering POS like Hillary Clinton in the white house? Obviously you aren’t old enough to know the irony in that one.

          • Lizzie2

            You do not like it when I produce some valid facts/arguments but you are more than willing to believe what you have been told about Hillary. So much of which were lies, manipulation of facts and made up fake news. Were you to know of the antics of your hero, and the lies he is capable of telling you might not be so gullible.

      • Lizzie2

        Not sure….what do you think?

  • Rick Butler

    Thank God for Trump, change is coming.

  • Combatvet52

    Her head is still up her BUTT total JA

  • Len

    Maddow is one of those people who makes one believe that Maddow herself is sooooo smart and you are tooooo dumb and stupid!!!
    There’s nothing like “I am smarter than you” intimidation at its best. She’s very good at it.

    • Suze

      Yes, that IS Maddow’s schtick to come off as smarter than everyone else. Which is why she was so humiliated election night and when she made a fool of herself with Trump’s tax returns. She is deep down a very insecure person and this is her worst nightmare.

    • Mark Plenn

      So was her hero Adolf.

  • Conservative

    Maddow embarrasses herself on a daily basis by exposing that face and ridiculous expresses on a daily basis. She/he is a bitter disgrace to herself and anyone who is foolish enough to subject themselves to her vicious tiraids.

  • curmudgeon VN Veteran

    Who watches this guy?

  • KLW9008

    This woman is DISGUSTING! She is the QUEEN of FAKE NEWS! The site of her ugyly mug makes me angry! Too bad there isn’t a way to prosecute people masquerading as journalists but continually lying to the American People! In the past we always figured the American People were smart enough to recognize FAKE NEWS and ignore it, but looks like a few takers (below)! Sad!!!!

    • Suze

      The way God has worked it out is that liars who pose as truth tellers (fake journalists) become their own worst enemies. They condemn themselves. Real journalists build their credibility and following by objectively reporting the truth. But it is also true that false messengers very quickly become known for telling certain people what they want to hear rather than what is actually happening. Didn’t we see this play out election night? Their misreporting on how well Hillary was going to do did not incentivize their base to get out and vote. Their lying and false polls only had credibility with their base. Conservatives were already wise to their false polling strategies.
      The only ones now paying attention to Maddow are those who prefer her speculating, prefer living in the delusional world of the progressive fantasy, even if it’s a train that is doomed to crash and burn. They are literally destroying their own brand.

  • randy jackson

    Never realized that Madcow’s horrific faux pas would ignite the stock market.
    Must be the first positive accomplishment in her life.
    Thanks dumba$$.

    • Suze

      Yeah, isn’t that one of the pardoxes of the liberal’s fight against Trump, drawing more attention to his ‘evil’ accomplishments which give credibility to his adeptness at making money. They cannot win this one.

  • Arthur Ittus

    Don’t watch or listen to sicko alphabet people~

  • ECwashr

    Maddow is prolific LIAR!!

  • jimmy9522

    Instead of egg on her face she had the whole chicken.

    • William Konrad

      Correction, chicken shit.

      • Suze

        I was reminded of a good joke when I saw Maddow with all that egg on her face. Here it is:
        What’s that yellow stuff in chicken shit?
        That’s chicken shit too.

    • Suze

      She actually LOOKED like a chicken after she blew it. What I cannot fathom is why, having seen this tax return, she still aired it. I mean it. Something is loose in the bell tower.

      • Mark Plenn

        No that is hollow space, nothing can be loose in a void. Madcow just lived up to her name.

        • Suze

          She hit such a low, I do believe all of our lowest expectations of her were fulfilled. So how can anyone disagree with you?

    • Mark Plenn

      only the chicken shit; that was truly justice served; now if she gets fired it’ll be true justice twice!

  • Jacks are Wild

    Maddow must own the network because as stupid as she is a real owner would have fired her on election night for her stupid actions & subsequent whining.

    • jimmy midnight

      As noted even here, her ratings now top the time slot she’s in. Maybe this “scoop” didn’t amount 2 much, but it’s more likely 2 increase that ratings lead.

      How does that make MSNBC’s top brass stupid?

      • Suze

        Are you HOPING this will be the way it turns out for Maddow’s ratings. Didn’t you learn anything from what happened the last time Maddow hyped Hillary’s win on election night, and all those viewers tuned in just to watch that major fail.
        But keep drinking the Maddow drool if that does it for you..poor thing.

    • Suze

      All lib networks are in freefall. The only reason they are still afloat at all is there is no place else for their dem viewers to go who are still licking their wounds. But they can only talk about their delusional conspiracy theories which realities like real tax returns and real election outcomes debunk. What’s a new thing for libs is that they are losing so much credibility they have become the laughing stock. They really cannot handle being mocked. Maddow most of all. Her true insecure self was on full display when she put out that tax return EVEN THOUGH she knew it would discredit all her dark speculations about Trump. Not to forget what it did for Hillary’s claims concerning why Trump didn’t release his returns.

  • I smile and see God’s wisdom siding in this all out war on President Trump. If you do not see this as a civil war, please Google & read “64 Ways Obama is Sabotaging Trump” and “Color Revolution”.
    This is a deadly war against President Trump as his administration tries to rip our country out of the Neocon’s evil grips and as WikiLeaks is simultaneously and independently exposing the Deep State Neocons.
    Neocons pay 10,000 Euros to each invader into Europe (over 70% young males) with promises of young blondes starving to have their children for Allah … Those same Neocon agents are fighting the border walls and any ban to ghetto resettlement into USA.

    • Suze

      Thank you for posting this. We are watching all the tactics of evil being used. Information is power. Their gig is up, masks off. Notice this is happening world wide as well.

  • Rick D.

    I’m still waiting for Ms. Mad-dyke to report that Trump’s 25.4% tax payment was significantly more than Obozo’s 2014 pmt (18.7%) and Bernie, the Sandman, Sanders’ 2015 (13.4%). But, somehow that will be regarded as “not news worthy”.

    • Mark Plenn

      What! You expect truth from a communist?

  • disqus_0YrcoCIq2i

    Madcow never gets it right.

  • bikerchick22

    Maybe D.Johnston should be arrested for passing on the tax info being he thought it would be soooo funny to hurt Pres Trump. Johnston’s a dirtbag!!

  • Fed Up With Politicians

    Deport her!

  • Apostol Pappas

    When is the Fake new media going to stop with their “gotcha Mr. Trump” polemic, and allow the president to run the country. Have they not yet realized they are dealing with a man that has his country’s interest as his number one priority. They are not going to win this battle. They should rather resort to honest journalism and everybody will benefit.

    • Suze

      You are far too sane to think the insane would change their ways. They have crossed the rubicom

  • Sgt. York

    Mad cow is a typical ego driven liberal socialist who knows all sees all and speaks all bs most of the time. She made a total ass of her self and the whole damn bunch at MSNBC showing the Nation just how foolish and big a liars they are. I have never watched her and never will as I’m sick of the Trump bashing and slobbering love for Hitlery and Ovomit who both want to rip America apart to change us from a Nation of freedoms into a third world country of communism one leader for there life span citizens into sheep and the only religion will be Islam. It to will be limited in so much Ovomit will become the Muslim leader with the country will be broken into two separate units. Muslim and communist. Clintons will run the non Muslim country. Time for God to step in and put the skids to this.

  • ONLYJB1

    Madcow disease is running rampant in the “Fake News” circles. Bless her fool heart!

  • cathylovesyou

    Maddow, Watch her she is totally insanely animated. She always has the gotcha face on. She is the face of liberals. Notice Pokahnatas acts exactly like this nut. While Maxie Waters (the bank robber) screams on

  • Paul Anderson

    Only the fool expects the Washington Press Corps. to speak the truth. Truth for the press is relative..

  • Phoebe Isley

    And once again President Trump was right all along! Gosh do you liberals get tired of always being wrong with pie in your face? I honestly am loving every second and I never once thought anything Trump said was a lie. I was and am still waiting for more of you liberals to eat crow and see OUR PRESIDENT be victorious in all aspects with making our country great again!

  • Suze

    What’s hard to believe is that Maddow MUST have seen this tax return before deciding to disclose it. Couldn’t she anticipate that what it would reveal would actually discredit all her (and Hillary’s) speculations about Trump’s not paying taxes and Russian connections. Maddow depends on the power of conspiracy theories, so why did she intentionally shoot herself in the foot? Just not as smart as so many people thought. She hasn’t had so much egg on her face since election night when she had hyped Hillary’s win and then had to tell her Trump hating followers to “get with their heart groups” safe place for comfort.
    Maddow was on a roll too. Goes to show you, leave it to the fantasy peddling liberals to crash and burn.

  • The Capatin

    Research, girl, research! (Fact-checking is an excellent premise… look into it)!

  • tCotUS

    Seems America has no shortage of Liberal idiots..Rachel Maddow is just one of many..

  • GuardianFlame

    Soooooooo embarrassing Maddow — like all the other clueless backwards liberals who “think” everyone worships their actions. Couldn’t be further from the truth!! You’d think the libs would finally “get it” that THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS elected PRESIDENT TRUMP to “CHANGE AMERICA BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE THE LIBERAL FRAUD TOOK OVER AND RUINED OUR NATION IN 2008”.

    These Liberal types are so out of their realm with fear that their corrupt pitiful lives are going to be thrown on the trash heap, they are willing to make such arrogant fools of themselves trying to create lies to discredit our President. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOOLS! Americans are truly done with these idiots, like Maddow, who are so full of themselves it clouds their better judgement.

    Can we remove the “Citizenship” of each and every one of the people who are so busy trying to destroy our President that they are not aware of releasing highly sensitive and confidential materials to the world, endangering our American security? No we can’t, but wouldn’t that be a great deterrent? Instead, let’s deport them all to the Middle East for a 5 year sabbatical. Hopefully, they will remember “why” America is GREAT instead of trying to make her bleed because she refuses to follow their worthless ideas/leaders. What a bunch of ditzs!

    • Lizzie2

      You are delusional….what were your “kind” doing for the past 8 years…practicing citizenship?

      • GuardianFlame

        Omg! A looney liberal racist! Quick! Get a net and capture the creature! She’s a goony in disguise…beware they bite and have fleas, so use the net – then quick to the Zoo of Libtards! Great job Patriots!

  • TPM

    So, in 2005, Trump paid $36.5 million in taxes.
    That’s more than the Obamas and the Clintons will pay in a lifetime. Let that sink in …
    AND remember, Slick Willie took deductions for used underwear, amongst other things. Cheap SOB.
    Can you imagine the media’s outrage, if Trump took a deduction for used underwear?

    • Mark Plenn

      The media would self combust and poof be gone; that wouldn’t be so bad, would it?

  • sweetolbob

    Oh Lordy,but I love it when that ugly squat steps in it and then tracks it all over.
    Hey Madcow ! You got any more biiiiiiiiiig scoops ?

    • Mark Plenn

      Yes her wife is on the pill!

  • John Williams

    It should tell you something about the kind of people who actually look up to and worship this kind of a moron, and it is not pretty.

    • Suze

      I used to have a friend from years ago whom I knew when she was sane and quite pragmatic, someone who would tell the truth even if it wasn’t what she wanted it to be. But now she’s a Maddow follower, and there is no

      reasoning with her at all. She’s all Maddow sound bites. On the up side I have some other democrat friends that Maddow has alienated from the doomed progressive party, so that’s good. She can be useful in some ways.

  • Spunky

    If they keep doing things like that, it will eventually turn all the libs away.

    • Suze

      It won’t turn the hard core libs away. They literally would rather live in their realm of what they wish were true than what IS true. Reality is an inconvenience. Remember their reaction the day after the election when they had to face “this is the world we live in”…and “the whole world has changed.” Well, it hadn’t suddenly changed overnight; they just had been believing their own propaganda. There’s a term for it which means mass delusion. From a spiritual perspective they have just lost their true north, depending on their own understanding which is relative and subject to their whims.

  • Mark Plenn

    Madcow is as ugly as she is stupid.

  • David Gearhart

    Obama and his alt left are an embarrassment. Their cries of humanity are a lie. Socialism is for the government control of the people. The people are just pawns to be used.

  • liberaldisgust

    Liberals are morons , Maddow is a morons moron …….

  • Andy Johnson

    and the Donald paid a higher tax rate than Bernie?? DRAIN THE SWAMP

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  • Arthur Ittus

    Alphabet people are mentally deficient. Lesbianism is immoral and never
    to be accepted in society. Sick and disease infected sicko’s~

  • randy jackson

    Mad-clown strikes again.
    Another strike 3 for the strike out artist.
    This dumba$$ dirt clod should stick to something she’s capable of accomplishing successfully, like picking boogers.
    Ugly maggot—–sit down.

  • Rick D.

    I’m still waiting for Mad-Dyke to report that Trump paid a considerably higher % on his 2005 taxes than Obozo did in 2014 (<18%) and Sandman, the hypocrite, Sanders in 2015 (13%). I guess I shouldn't hold my breath, should I? LMAO!! RRD

  • river

    I’m pretty sure it was Donald Trump who snuck out of the White House, at night, dressed in snow flake attire, facial mask, ripped hate filled anti Trump T shirt, thongs and a pocket full of food stamps while depositing his taxes in the mail box. Yea, Trump set this one up. Where does the liberal delusion come from?

  • Robert LaBiento

    I liked your post, curmudgeon VN Veteran, up until #7. I am dead set against polluting our water!

  • The Capatin

    For Rachel Maddow may I suggest an adult version of my “Babysitter In a Box”. (The FDA Wouldn’t allow it on the market, but the idea is PERFECT).

    If you open the box you’ll find:

    (a) a bottle of Ether,

    (b) a rag, and,

    (c) instructions for use.

    Good night, sweet princess! :p

    It works for me!

  • Shelly Shannon

    If this doesn’t prove Rachael Maddow is over rated nothing will. It sure doesn’t take much to get her excited about nothing.

  • Laddyboy

    Who got the 1040 and from whom? If President Trump did not release the tax form information, then a law was broken. The perpetrators of this CRIME must be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

  • Baltimore Hon

    Maddow is such a putz! She SPEWS hatred. She’s already on the lowest rated fake news network there is…with her new downward spiral where else can she go?? How about away?

  • Bill Van Etten

    Rachel “Madcow” is hell bent on doing everything she can to stop this president and his administration from getting their job done. What she is doing with here accusations boarders, in my opinion, at the least lying to the public by reporting “fake news” and at the most treason. Her employer as well as this excuse for a political journalist should be sent to jail for her acts of slander and lies against and about the President of the United States. Look up he salary, i did, MSNBC paid this “journaist” 7 million dollars in 2016 to spew her slander and garbage. When will these people realize that a vast majority of the people of the United States want fair and impartical reporting that allows us to form our own opinions about what they presented. Not a minute of distorted reporting followed by half an hour trying to convince us what they said is correct? After all it is time for her to realize we do not live in the United States of Hillary.

  • randy jackson

    Old News—-hit the “Refresh” button

  • The Capatin

    Don’t worry, they’ll cover her @$$ while she gets her lesbian panties in a wad over something else. It’s their way.

  • Jim Johnson

    The only bad part of this is that it probably isn’t enough to make Rachel go away.

  • real talk 1

    When will it all end when will people wake up dis miss the democratic liberal party and dismiss Hillary and Bernie and things will start to work for everybody !!!?

  • 2Deep4_U

    I’M GOD, YOU’RE AN EVIL ALBINOID DEVIL.