• Richard Hennessy

    There is no need for a debt ceiling crisis. A raising of the debt ceiling should be accompanied by MEANINGFUL spending reductions. If Democrats want to vote against such measures to try to get funding of pet projects and programs that are not supported by the majority, they will be responsible for the crisis and should be made to own it. Republicans should grow spines and retreat from their continued cowardice. Voters are tired of the Democrat extortion that is responsible for our huge debt and want the SWAMP DRAINED NOW!!

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  • Linda

    I personally think President Trump should shut down the government unless he gets everything he wants–repeal of Obamacare, funding for the Border Wall, reduced immigration quotas–everything. We’d soon learn life in the United States wouldn’t change much if the “non-essential” government offices never opened again. Gee, if these agencies weren’t spending the money maybe we wouldn’t need an increase in the debt ceiling.

    • ernldo

      He can’t shut down gooberment

      • Sgt. York

        Watch and see as if the representatives the low end of gov can the head of the gov damn sure can.

    • niknar

      So you think that building a wall & taking healthcare away from scores of millions of people is worth crashing our economy & ruining our international credit rating?

      • Linda

        For starters there is nothing healthy about Obamacare. It’s a data collection tool. The whole country has been brainwashed into believing you can’t get “medical” services without insurance. That isn’t correct. Every major city has a hospital supported by tax dollars that people without insurance can go to either for free. Are you not reading the horror stories of disabled/retired people having to return to work just to pay their health insurance?

        As for taking healthcare away from scores of millions–not so fast. Scores of millions had private policies before Obamacare went into effect. Now it’s virtually impossible to get a private policy because they don’t exist. There are a few people who now have coverage who couldn’t get it because of pre-existing conditions.

        Add to this the fact that the Obamacare product requires total coverage. That means men are paying for obstetrical coverage and women are paying for prostate cancer coverage. This over coverage has contributed greatly to the increase in premiums, and it’s stupid.

        If you read “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky, you will find out healthcare is one of the things that government needs to be control in order to usher in communism. Obamacare was put in place to fail in order to bring in Single Payer.

        The Border Wall may be more symbolic than effective, but it should keep out the casual river wader.

        As for the credit rating that was downgraded under Obama. It’s on the wane because the ponzey scheme that is the Federal Reserve is coming apart. Closing the government would probably be good for the economy. Government regulation does more to harm business than any other single thing.

        • niknar

          I am no fan of Obamacare. It is somewhat of an improvement over what was before, but not by a whole lot. I’m in favor of getting rid of the middleman (insurance company). Single payer universal healthcare has worked well in many other countries at half the cost we pay. I’ve heard rave reviews about France’s healthcare system. Germany, Switzerland, Sweden & Japan are supposed to have somewhat different systems but are likewise considered effective & efficient. They’re not necessarily all government run either. I think they’re each worth looking at & deciding what aspects of each system would work best for us. And then some tout “Medicare for All”. We need to change what we have now, but first have a good idea what we want to change it to before repealing it.

          Communism is less of an issue today than it has ever been since it first popped up it’s head. Don’t succumb to all the ridiculous fearmongering about it. Fascism is what you really need to worry about. Huge multinational corporations have virtually full control over our government, economy, media, society & both major political parties. Our political system is terribly corrupt & ineffective, & is used only for the enrichment of corporations & billionaires. Our electoral system has been severely undermined from both internal & external sources, & doesn’t reflect the will of the people anymore..

          • TexasCoyote1

            Luckily, I am old enough to know how medical care used to be before HMO’s and PPO’s. When was just out of college earning about $11,000 a year, my Blue Cross Blue Shield policy cost me $8.70 per month. Even adjusted for inflation that would be less than $50 per month now. I totally agree insurance companies are a huge part of the problem and none of the solution, but you are merely changing insurance companies to the government and the government doesn’t do anything efficiently or cost-effectively. The insidious part of insurance has become this mandated “standard of care.” It virtually eliminates creativity and innovation–if you present with these symptoms, you get these drugs or this surgery. There is no allowance for nutritional deficiencies or alternative treatment. This is Big Pharma’s wet dream, but it’s lousy care for the patient. In a way, this totally supports your argument of the multinational corporations being the biggest threat to us, and once again I agree, but more government involvement is really not a solution, it’s a greater problem.

            Communism is a greater problem than you realize. Our educational system and hovering parents have stifled our children’s self-reliance. Common Core is an indoctrination system in which independent thought is discouraged; self-expression is discouraged and just plain old knowledge of a broad range of topics is not offered. Teach to the test, so the teachers keep their jobs, but the test score requirements become more strenuous every year. Common Core’s design is to eventually have ever school fail regardless of the quality of the teachers and thus all local school boards disbanded in favor of total federal government control.

            We are both saying the same thing. At the heart of almost all the major problems in this country is a corrupt and power-hungry government that in the end does not have the best interest of the population at heart.

          • jimmy midnight

            Actually, the big bad bugaboo national government has operated, SS, Medicare, ,Medicaid, and VA with overall overhead far lower than what private, for-profits have done, ‘cuz not having to take 5, 8, 13 percent off the top 2 compensate investors, makes that pretty easy.

          • TexasCoyote1

            I respectfully disagree with your assertion that government has operated anything cheaper than any private enterprise. There are certain inefficiencies simply built in to all government sponsored functions. My parents were both government employees in positions to witness the waste created by government. Hundreds of sofas stacked in a warehouse purchased to enrich a relative of someone responsible for furnishing offices, comes to mind. My father was an auditor, so he saw waste every day–it was just part of the job. Government employees only advance when they can justify supervising a greater number of people, so they stay up nights thinking of way to need more government employees either by hiring the least efficient or by creating unnecessary redundancy.

            Of course, private enterprise does not have to accept everyone which is the argument that keeps government programs coming. And, there’s the fact they keep certain segments of society voting for the candidates who keep these give-away programs in business.

            I guess you can tell I am in favor of repealing all government programs and putting the people back in control of providing for their own prosperity.

          • jimmy midnight

            That Austerity is a recipe 4 economic shrinkage is clear 2 everyone by now. But you’ll B proud to watch as “the undeserving” suffer any amount of the deprivation U C as being what they “deserve.”

            Pretty sick..

          • TexasCoyote1

            Jimmy, government produces nothing. It takes from those who do produce, and it restricts those who would produce more if they had a chance. The swamp creatures fear more than anything a government shutdown because the fact i just stated above will become glaringly evident. As long as all the government agencies are open and functioning, they can keep telling you that you can’t live without them.

            You can look at the Houston disaster to see some of this. Government is all but shut down there, but volunteers who have no government affiliation are making dramatic rescues right along with the national guard. I saw one of a human chain of everyday citizens rescuing people trapped in a car in high water.

            So, what austerity do you think is coming? The difference will be the perception. Those who are poor will be faced with taking charity instead of a government “entitlement.” That may be harder on them emotionally, but their needs would be met from the generosity of those around them without all the government administrative expense not to mention the government misappropriation we all pay for. You’re right, I don’t see any austerity or shrinkage of the economy at all.

          • niknar

            I generally agree with your first & last paragraphs. I think part of any disagreement with you in the 2nd paragraph, is use of terminology. I see communism as an ideology largely discredited & defeated long ago, & am incredulous at its recent resurrection by the right to describe policies & ideas they don’t like that have little to do with communism (or so I have thought). But see below…you might be able to help illuminate for me why.

            There are a lot of things wrong with our education system, & you mention some of it. I think our educational successes have come mainly from the states & local areas, & federal attempts to control it & make it uniform throughout the country (especially inducing teachers to teach to the test) have stymied progress & creativity (& our standing in the world). I will also grant you that comparing this particular program with communist policies does make some sense, as it is something similar to what the old communism regimes might do. Do you have other examples that tie government policies to communism? It might help me to see more clearly where these claims of communism are coming from, & whether there’s significant basis for those claims.

          • TexasCoyote1

            Your post is excellent and your questions are even better. My position is based, in part, on comments made by Charlotte Iserbyt, who was a high-ranking official in the Department of Education under Ronald Reagan. You might want to check out her book “The Dumbing Down of America. It is her contention Reagan colluded with the then Soviet Union to bring their brand of education to the United States. Her objections to introducing BF Skinner’s concepts into the US classroom cost her her job. I have followed other people who have fought Common Core as well, and they have determined that the progression of things will go something like this:

            1. As the proficiency requirements increase over time, virtually no school district will be able to have enough students pass. In other words the tests are designed to fail.
            2. When a certain percentage of students fail, the school is taken over by unelected federal officials who essentially replace school boards which removes all local control from the school district.
            3. At this point charter schools are put forth as a solution to the failure rate which ushers in “for profit” schools and the complete demise of our current local public schools. We’ve seen what “for profit” prisons have done for the judicial system. Jeb Bush is heavily involved in charter schools.
            4. Ancillary to this is the problem that if parents or students object to certain teachings as being against their beliefs, i.e. sex education, liberal vs conservative worldview, then the children will be sent for examination by mental health personnel for evaluation and reprogramming. This provision is buried somewhere in either Obamacare or the No Child Left Behind legislation–maybe both.
            5. I have a granddaughter who is an 8th grader this year. I have had numerous conversations with her mother about what the children are struggling with. The math methodology is so complex, no parent is able to help. It insists the ridiculous process required is more important than the correct answer and that process may include 8 steps where the answer could be obtained in 2 steps. Cursive writing was banned in her 3rd grade as being elitist, so she is barely able to read a note I write to her. Cursive writing is integral to our being able to express ourselves in anything more in-depth than text messages.
            5. My granddaughter, in the 5th grade, was forced to watch a video regarding sex. The viewing was coed and inappropriate. I won’t go into the details. This overwhelming of a child with sexual images and discussions of perverted sexual relationships is another device used by communism to grind down the individual and support the collective.
            6. Schools today are giant data collection centers. They are building databases on children based on every remark they make, how many times they daydream, if they are disruptive or combative. All this information is being collected, so reprogramming will be easier and the identification of those who might actually be innovative and individualist can be perfected. This system can’t have innovators because those slots are reserved for the children of the elite.

            I know this sounds unreasonable, but watching what my granddaughter is experiencing and the total inclusiveness being hammered into her, I think this is the long-term plan. You might look up Charlotte Iserbyt as well as 2 women in Louisiana whose names escape me at the moment. The formed a non-profit called “The People” to establish themselves as a movement, so they would at least be listened to by the Louisiana legislature. Lamar Alexander in Tennessee is a huge proponent of Common Core.

          • niknar

            Wow! This would sound fantastic & unbelievable if I didn’t recognize as true several things you listed, & have had my own frustrations dealing with this. For example, I used to be able to do in my head math calculations, which meant I could solve problems much faster than those who had to write down every step in order to get to the solution. Then this math teacher I had in high school, who actually was a PE teacher instructed to teach math, compelled us to write down every step in order to receive credit, which totally disrupted my way of thinking, & forever after hampered my proficiency in math. I also detest the reliance on computerized gadgets rather than pencil & paper to do every little thing.

            There is a group of people that seems to think they know what’s best for everybody — “elitist” is probably an apt word for them — & they want to make sure everybody conforms to their program. This is typical of the establishment, especially Democratic establishment, which is a group of people that feels they have to tell everyone what they should do, & tries to guilt trip anybody who argues with them. Many if not most of them actually mean well, but they have no clue as to how they look to others (elitists, scolds), & as such they only undermine themselves & the issues they support. I find them less dangerous than the right-wing corporatists that imperil the world with their insatiable greed, but they certainly get in the way of progress.

          • TexasCoyote1

            I was never a math “whiz,” but our math instruction at least had a progression to it. In the early grades, we had to “show our work,” which was 50’s speak for write everything down. As we got older, we were actually taught shortcuts, so we could arrive at the answer more quickly. The current system appears to be adding steps as the kids get older and the problems become more complex.

            I can only liken it to teaching someone to walk who already knows how by forcing them to enunciate each muscle movement necessary to move one’s legs as part of the function of walking.

            You are also being too generous by saying they “seem to think they know what’s best for everybody.” Common Core is a deliberate withholding of education that would nurture creativity and innovation and replacing it with a system that regiments, indoctrinates and stifles creativity and innovation. I was speaking with an acquaintance a few weeks ago who said her sister, who is a teacher, received a negative evaluation because “she was too enthusiastic” in the classroom. Huh?? The presumed reason they want to get rid of her is that she is still “teaching.”

      • David Mangum

        Yes

    • jimmy midnight

      It’s easy 2 wish 4 such stuff from the comfort of wherever we’re comfortably sitting and posting. I hope we’ll all have a little pity for the people who would B immediately effected by shutdowns.

      Politicians who’ve arrived at the DC level have an idea of how many of those there R, which contributes pretty mightily to their reluctance to “go critical.”

      • JCluvsTrump

        Yes, all the National Park freaks will be crushed.

        • jimmy midnight

          What would Jesus do? What would Jesus say? Who would Jesus crush?

          • JCluvsTrump

            I don’t know off hand. But we can pray about it.

  • ernldo

    Why sure it is. Trump is in the big chair, and the GOP “controls” Congress. What a great opportunity for the leftist media, Academia, Hollyweird, etc to pile on and blame them. They ignored the over a trillion a year average debt heaped on by bathhouse hussein and the Piglosi and Reid led house and senate (sic). We saw the same when W inherited a mess from groper Bill, and nothing has changed except a few names. There are many RINOs that won’t take sides and I guess its okay now, but they will be as responsible as BLM racist apes, the antifa goobers, and other seditious groups. Its going to end in shooting, me thinks….

    • Earle Goodwin

      The Debt Ceiling is an open door for more spending….Reduce the spending no matter what the Ceiling is. It’s like any Budget, it is just that, doesn’t mean there is money there..it’s a guideline. … Aim at reduced costs and spending. Seems that every one is focused on the “whole” and not the donut.

    • niknar

      You have it backwards as far as W. Bill Clinton left him the only federal surplus I’ve seen in my lifetime, & W immediately squandered it by cutting taxes on the rich & giving us record deficits in no time, eventually nearly doubling the debt & leaving his successor with soaring deficits, soaring unemployment, a plunging stock market & a Great Recession that required even more spending to prevent it from becoming a depression.

      You need to get your facts right or you’re doomed to repeat history in a potentially disastrous way.

      • ernldo

        There was NO surplus. You fall for the tripe it seems. The so-called surplus was a PROJECTION. The Lott/Gingrich Congress did some cost cutting, which groper Bill had NOTHING to do with in the mid 90’s and IF the same level of growth would have continued, and NO recession , a “surplus” would have been achieved in the mid 00’s. The recession in Clinton’s last couple years and 9-11 ended any talk of any surplus, except with the chronically mis-informed….

        • niknar

          There were no recessions during Clinton’s 2 terms. There were 2 recessions, including a near depression, during W’s 2 terms. An argument could be made that we were set up for the 1st recession due to weakening economic signs at the end of Clinton’s terms after a major world recession that affected Asia especially, but included Mexico & some of Europe, but it could’ve been prevented by Bush with the correct policies. However, he instead exacerbated economic conditions with needless, short-sighted policies such as his tax cuts for the rich, making sure that a recession did occur. The surplus Clinton left him turned into record deficits within 2 years.

          • ernldo

            Recession in Clinton’s second year and a bigger recession the last two. STOP guessing, STOP citing the liberal media’s dishonest narrative and look for yourself….or have a second grader research it for you. Also, quit citing Bush, the only things that could have been worse were the pathetic AlGore or the Lurch like, Gigolo John Kerry….
            There was NEVER a surplus, not even close. It may be a good idea to take your full length, nude photo of groper Bill off your bathroom wall….Bush’s tax cuts affected EVERY earner in America….The rich pay NO taxes, and never have. Taxes are INCOME based. Your liberal diarrhea has become wearisome, and simply ignorant….

          • niknar

            While I am no fan of Clinton & never voted for either him or his wife, it is well-known that economically Clinton was the most successful president in over 40 years, with high growth rate & no recessions.

            You need to stop getting all your information from the right-wing propaganda machine whose mission is to brainwash gullible people like you with deception, distortion & outright lies about everything from the economy to climate, so that you will continue to support an agenda that helps nobody other than the multinational corporations & billionaires that already control virtually everything, including both parties, government, media, society & almost every aspect of wealth.

      • brtw

        The Congress holds the purse strings and the Demos. had the majority in both houses during W’s term in office, so it’s the libs. (again) who spent the $$$$. And the Dodd-B.Franks laws that caused the housing bubble. W. went before Congress 13 times in the 12 months before the housing bubble broke warning them of it and asking them to appoint a committee to oversee the spending of the dems. that caused the crash. Look it up!!

        • niknar

          There was a Republican controlled Congress for four and a half years of George W. Bush’s administration, both House and Senate, a Democratic controlled Congress for two years and during the remaining one and a half years there was a divided Congress, with Republicans controlling one chamber and Democrats the other. The House had a Republican majority for the first six of Bush’s eight years (2001–2007), and a Democratic one for the remaining two. In the Senate, Democrats had a majority for three and a half of the eight years, while Republicans had a majority for the other four and a half years, from 2003–2007. There were only two years during Bush’s eight years in office when Congress was controlled by the opposing party. Throughout some of the most disastrous Bush years (i.e. the push for the Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, the spending of the surplus left by Clinton and much of the 101% increase in the debt created primarily by the war and tax cuts for the wealthy, the 2.6 million jobs that were lost before the financial crisis), the Republicans had a lock on all three branches, the presidency, Congress and a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. [Quora]

  • The debt ceiling is not in uses. All debt is paid off budget by the feral reserve service by issuing currency to satisfy the debt .
    Government shut down is cause by Congress not the budget deficit

  • MichaelZZ

    Article 1 – The Legislative Branch, Section 8 – Powers of Congress

    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
    Excerpt:
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…
    14th Amendment:

    Section 4 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that the validity of the public debt, authorized by law, SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED.

    DISCUSSION:

    Based upon Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, anyone who purposes actions or votes in opposition of that Section appears to be in violation of his or her Oath of Office.

    The solution to minimizing U.S. debt would be a combination of legislating appropriate expenditures, equitably raising additional revenue, and passing legislation that would promote healthy and equitable economics.

    .CONCLUSION:
    There is no reason to raise a “debt limit”, since it appears that a “debt limitation” does not exist as that concept appears to be unconstitutional, and any discussions thereof by “talking heads” and politicians would appear to be efforts to obfuscate truth for the purpose of confusing and “tenderizing” the citizens.

    mz
    July 28, 2011
    mikiesmoky@aol.com

    • Laddyboy

      You have forgotten that there IS supposed to have a BALANCED BUDGET. The government is SUPPOSED to not spend the money which they do not have. Same as individual and their budget allotment.

      • MichaelZZ

        I have forgotten???

        Are you a mind-reader?? Or, perhaps, omniscient?

        mz

        • Laddyboy

          Intuitive.
          Just a friendly reminder that the government should be no different spending OUR money than We the People.

        • Herb1949

          If you didn’t forget, then you are advocating continued spending of money we don’t have.

          • MichaelZZ

            Your logic and perception appear to be less than stellar.

            THE MAIN POINT: Section 4 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that the validity of the public debt, authorized by law, SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED.

            mz
            mikiesmoky@aol.com

          • Herb1949

            Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you stupid?
            We are NOT talking about defaulting on debt, we are talking about cutting money for programs.
            If we don’t start cutting SOMETHING, we damn well will end up having to default when we go completely broke.

          • MichaelZZ

            Herb, the “topic” is discussion about raising the debt ceiling, not the provenance, thereof.
            Again, for minds who are unable to maintain perspective:

            THE MAIN POINT: Section 4 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that the validity of the public debt, authorized by law, SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED.

            A wee bit redundant, but, for you Herb, the past is the past.

            Congress addressing revenues and expenditures, going forward, is, obviously, critical, but not for payment of our past debts, at least, according to our Constitution.

            Do you get it…………., yet?

            mz

          • Herb1949

            Again, you DON’T understand that the complaint is that the “clean bill” will fund programs that should be cut. It will spend money that should not be spent and therefore increase the debt even more than it should.
            You don’t seem to get it that we MUST start to cut spending and the sooner the better.
            THAT is what the gripe of the fiscal conservatives is all about. Not failing to pay debt, but wanting to slow the growth of the debt, as soon as possible.
            DO YOU GET IT NOW???

          • MichaelZZ

            Herb, are you insane????
            #1 Can you read?
            #2 Can you comprehend that which you read??

            Your “thinking” requires fixing.

            Past – Pay bills

            Future – Contemplate, i.e., think about future expenditures, learning from the past

            Herb, how do you function, day to day???

            ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS THE DEBT IS IN VIOLATION OF HIS OR HER OATH OF OFFICE.

            Good luck.

            mz

          • Herb1949

            You really are a low information voter when you can’t understand the difference between debt and authorizing future borrowing. Raising the debt ceiling is authorizing future spending (borrowing). We need to do everything we can to limit future expenditures, a “clean debt ceiling bill” will NOT just cover the debt we have now, it will authorize non-required spending to increase the debt even more.

    • HarryTC

      Look to Venezuela to see what over spending on Socialism will do, it should be obvious to you unless you have blinders on.

  • 2399molly

    Reductions as important as anything else.

  • John D

    If you raise the ceiling, cut spending at the same time.

  • 9400budlang8406

    Yep! Do anything but cut your spending habits. Go ahead and increase the debt ceiling. Just know it isn’t sustainable and will eventually collapse on its own. No individual or company could get away with this and survive. This spending spree will bring us to financial failure at some point.

  • DPMP

    Why do we have all of these government departments that do the same thing ? Shut down all of the non-essential and duplicate departments and see how much money we can save. Maybe just maybe we will not have to raise but lower the dept ceiling.

  • chief1937

    WE must have a balanced budget amendment as our debt is reaching critical levels. Everyone else has to stay within their budget so should the government. It is a proven fact you can not borrow yourself out of debt.

  • Charles Girard

    Obama spent 11 trillion dollars in 8 years if there is a debt ceiling problem it will be the Democrats obstruction of any kind of progress, again.

  • ProudPilgrim

    The “shutting government down” is untrue. The debt ceiling lift is for spending increases. This lie is told and believed again and again as we spiral out of control.

  • Sgt. York

    It’s well known and we all can see the RINO Repubs that all gather around the Devilcrats will Not pass a Debit ceiling as the liberals IF,they ever win would have to live with it or repeal it and people would see the National Debit sky Rocket upward. This way with the likes of RINO RYAN,SONGBIRD,TRAITOR MC CONNELL and the old Sow all will vote against it. We Have No Representation in Congress just those who think they are in charge of America the grand glorious leaders. Have any Voters had any townhall meeting with these Traitors asking if the voters there to be representing were in favor of a Debit limit or not? Didn’t think so as we voters are the little people who are the ones on the curb,paying taxes and giving them the powers to scam the hell out of themselves proving them correct that they are the bottom of the barrel while they are the grand glorious leaders for us all to do as THEY SAY.

  • SUMMARY

    The American dollar has no intrinsic value. It is a classic example of fiat money with no limit to the quantity that can be produced.Its primary value lies in the willingness of people to accept it and, to that end, legal tender laws require them to do so. It is true that our money is created out of nothing, but it is more accurate to say that it is based upon debt. In one sense, therefore, our money is created out of less than nothing. The entire money supply would vanish into bank
    vaults and computer chips if all debts were repaid. Under the present System, therefore, our leaders cannot allow a serious reduction in either the national or consumer debt. Charging interest on pretended loans is usury, and that has become institutionalized under the Federal Reserve System. The Mandrake Mechanism by which the Fed converts debt into money may seem complicated at first,but it is simple if one remembers that the process is not intended
    to be logical but to confuse and deceive. The end product of the Mechanism is artificial expansion of the money supply, which
    is the root cause of the hidden tax called inflation. This expansion then leads to contraction and, together, they produce the destructive boom-bust cycle that has plagued mankind throughout history wherever
    fiat money has existed.

    ADDENDUM: DEBT-CANCELLATION PROGRAMS

    Because banks lend money that does not exist prior to the transaction, many debtors have concluded they are not obligated to
    repay.This is a compelling concept in view of the fact that bank and credit-car loan contracts typically lead customers to think they are borrowing someone else’s money, which is why they are willing to pay interest. When challenged in court, these contracts often are judged to be fraudulent, and there now are companies offering “debt-cancellation”
    services to challenge these contracts with the end in mind that debts will be canceled. A discussion of the pros
    and cons of these programs is beyond the scope of this work

    All the federal reserve system has to do to balance the budget is to issue federal reserve notes to pay the debt. There is no need to shujt dowen the country. and Congress in in charge of that decision

  • BALANCED-BUDGET AMENDMENT

    A so-called balanced-budget amendment
    to the Constitution is not the answer either. In fact, it is an illusion and a fraud. Some of the
    biggest spenders in Congress are supporters. They know that it is popular with
    the voters but would not cramp their spending style in the least. If they were not
    permitted to spend more than they receive in taxes, they would have a perfect
    excuse for raising taxes. It would be a way of punishing the voters for placing limits
    on them. The voters, on the other hand, would collapseunder the burden of higher
    taxes and demand that their Congressmen circumvent the very amendment they previously supported.
    And that would be easy. Most versions of the balanced-budget amend­ment have an escape hatch built for just that purpose.
    Congress shall balance its budget “except incases of emergency.” Who decides what constitutes
    an emergency? Congress, of course. In other words, Congress shall balance its budget except when it
    doesn’t want to. So whatelse is new?

    A serious amendment would have to
    tackle, not balancing the budget, but limiting the spending. If that were done, the budget would take care of itself. But even
    that would be a waste of time considering the present composition of Congress. Instead of gener­ating political pressure for a
    Constitutional amendment, we would be better off directing that same effort toward throwing
    the big spenders out ofoffice. As long as the spenders are allowed to stay in there, they will find a way to
    get around any law—including the Constitution itself.

    Another flaw in most versions of the
    balanced-budget amend­ment is that it
    would not affect the off-budget expenditures called entitlements. They now represent 52%
    of all federal outlays and are growing by 12% each year. A strategy that ignores that back­breaking load is not worth even
    considering. Even if Congress could be forced to stop deficit spending, the balanced-budget amendment would not solve the
    problem of inflation or paying off the national debt. The Federal Reserve can now inflate
    our money supply by using
    literally any debt in the world. It does not have to come from Congress. Unless we zero in
    on the Fed itself, we will just be playing political games with no chance of winning.

  • Bulletin Item: Trump Is Swinging Aggressively Against Mass Media & The Race
    Baiters; A Huge Portion of All Pacific Southwest Races &
    Factions Are Solidly Behind Him

    After a relentless week of thunderous mass media condemnation about the
    “white supremacist”, “racist” President, whom the Warcast
    Media castigated for how he responded to the riotous violence at
    Charlottesville, Trump flew to Tucson on Monday to
    deliver a major speech about his policy to deal with Afghanistan and ISIS
    terrorism in general. All of the anti-war portion of his “base”
    were all ears to find out if Trump was finally going to deliver on his promise
    to terminate the endless and largely pointless American occupation of Afghanistan.
    They were highly nervous about whether he would buy the militarism
    policies of his Generals or whether he would say no to endless war.

    The unpredictable Trump predictably threw some unexpected curve balls on the
    topic, leaving the issue unresolved in many ways but with unclear major changes
    in the actual policies. The speech was well received by the Neocons and
    this may have finally solidified an alliance with the major power players in
    “The Swamp”. This may in turn isolate the Bolsheviks and the
    Warcast Media and greatly diminish their ability to manipulate a political coup
    which would “take out” Trump in some bureaucratically contrived
    fashion.

    The reactions of the anti-war anti-imperialism portion of his “base”
    in the Iway were all over the landscape, generally containing various degrees
    of doubt, pessimism, apprehension, and the fear that Trump may be drowning in
    “The Swamp”.

    After delivering his Foreign Policy speech in Tucson
    Monday night, Trump flew to Phoenix
    and delivered a high voltage mass rally Tuesday evening.
    The rally drew tens of thousands of people, some traveling from as far away as California
    and Texas. A line a mile
    and a half long wound around the Phoenix
    Convention Center and downtown Phoenix.
    People were still trying to get in when his rally speech began. Every
    time Trump comes to Arizona he
    makes political history and sets records for the turnout of a political
    event. ABC recorded and broadcast locally the entire event so there was
    no need to attend. People attended to stand with Trump in the face of an
    hostile establishment “Swamp”.

    He began by matter of factly wiping the floor with the “Fake News
    Industry”, his name for what I call the Warcast Media. His audience
    loved it. He directly counter punched the infamous national press corps
    multiple times, explaining in detail how the Fake News crowd clipped out what
    was really said and how they conveyed only a small portion of his remarks
    during the preceding weeks about the incident at Charlottesville.
    He demonstrated quite well how they created false impressions of his remarks by
    their selective omissions.

    Then he struck up some thunderbolts and hurled them directly at the Fake News
    Warcast Media. He declared that the Fake News Industry was creating the growing
    violent activity of the radical extremist groups such as Antifa and the KKK by
    giving them spotlight attention in the Media. Trump’s audience was in
    thunderous agreement. He hurled another bolt, declaring that the Mass Media
    is creating the racial divisions and conflicts in America.
    Again his audience was in thunderous agreement. In essence, Trump laid a hardy
    groundwork for calling CNN and ABC and similar media as race-war pimps, as
    indeed they have become this past several months in their frantic efforts to
    gin up the political destruction of Trump’s Presidency..

    The audience knows. They loved Trump’s blunt, feisty remarks. They
    especially enjoyed how Trump mocked the Media presence in the Convention
    Center. He stopped a couple of times and pointed to the camera banks
    which were recording his speech. “Oh look, the red lights are all
    going on, they are stopping the cameras. They don’t want anybody else to
    hear how I am talking about them”.

    Trump went on for an additional hour to discuss his agenda and the progress he
    is making on it. The “Wall” is going up on the border, job
    creation is a huge focus point and will remain so, and on and on through many
    other issues.

    All in all it was a masterful speech in the style and substance of FDR.
    “Make America Great Again” is essentially a modern version of
    FDR”s “New Deal” to rebuild America,
    sans the social engineering and governmental regulatory intrusion. The
    crowd was and is ENTHUSIASTICALLY all “ears” and it is reasonably
    clear that Trump enjoys a very large base of support which is as fervent as
    ever and clearly more determined than ever to overcome the old establishment’s
    manipulations.

    I suspect that political candidates who pick up and repeat this general line ENTHUSIASTICALLY
    during the next 18 months will devastate their political opponents. It
    wont really matter what party they are in, nor how vile the caustic remarks of
    the war-whoring race-pimps, Trump stands in the center of the Zeitgeist.

    I also suspect that the Bolsheviks will begin to fade rapidly. Pimping
    race-war wears out its appeal in the face of the actual experience of real
    facts. The simple truth is that too many blacks and Hispanics are around
    who see through establishment manipulations and have no hesitation in razing
    it. Neither the national press corps nor Soros’ paid agitators can muster
    enough “in-crowd appeal” for a trend to build a “Red Guard”
    Revolution. Their activities along these lines are increasing their
    isolation and adding depth to the informal Trump coalition.

    In the aftermath of the Charlottesville
    riot, the Antifa group (which is reportedly modeled after Mao-Tse-Tung’s
    infamous Red Guard Brigades) has announced that it will ignite a civil
    war on November 4, 2017 in
    major cities of the U.S.
    In a pig’s eye, my Uncle would say. I am not sure what that metaphor
    actually means but it seems to fit this group which simply cannot connect with
    genuine human sensibility. Their announcements could be seen as
    threatening but it may reveal their weakness. A politically
    oriented group intent on organ zing people into mass action would normally
    build on its perceived successes immediately. If Charlottesville
    was a success for them, they would be ginning up for another round of opportunistic
    mayhem during September and early October to start off the next academic
    year with accumulated “mo”. .

    Instead they picked the day before Guy Fawkes day (November 5).
    From this choice, one supposes they are attempting to appropriate the anti-establishment
    nature of Guy Fawkes and the memes in the “V” for Vengeance
    movie. But I suspect that they have very little “mo”
    coming out of Charlottesville and will use the days between August and
    the weekend of November 4/5 spending lots and lots of the money provided
    by George Soros, who is an obvious Rothschild-bagman hiding in plain
    sight. No doubt they will recruit far and wide on college campuses and
    through Craigslist, and then train, train, and then brainwash some more.

    I seriously doubt any of this Antifa is going anywhere. I think we will
    see little more than a freakshow. If the freaks do go beyond rhetorical
    communist mumbo-jumbo and get violent, major cities have more than enough
    resources to round them up and cart them off to holding pens. Most likely
    these individuals will be highly unstable and an elementary good-cop bad-cop
    routine with simple benefits and promises of amnesty for testimony on the
    payments and the hierarchy of command will provide the information which will
    enable locking up the instigators and managers on sedition charges. If
    skillfully and knowingly done, it could lead to the arrest of Soros for
    sedition.

    Back to Trump and his seemingly “New World Order Trump Manifesto on Afghanistan
    and Islamo-Fascist Terrorism”. Trump’s anti-war base is
    reacting and recoiling in different ways.

    The most sanguine view is offered up by Alex Jones. He believes
    that Trump may have gone “sideways” to some degree.
    But he also believes that Trump is playing the Neocons with violin music while
    preparing to re-arrange affairs in Afghanistan
    to enable a military withdrawal during the next year.

    My own take agrees partially with that likelihood but is considerably alarmed
    that Trump is setting up a policy command strurcture for conducting
    overseas military missions to operate at will under cover of secrecy anytime,
    anywhere, for any purpose which can be said to be connected to fighting
    terrorism. This is of course an expansion of Caesar’s imperial powers
    outside the power of the Senate and the consciousness of the public. It
    is exactly where the warhawks and neocons want to be to be able to ply
    imperial powers with no opposition.

    Paul Craig Roberts takes a very pessimistic view…..based on the
    conclusion that Trump has been absorbed by the Neocons and that they are now
    transfiguring the U.S. into military barracks and gadget makers for a world
    empire in which Americans will never again have the political rights of the
    past 200 some odd years. Roberts is an highly informed, astute
    historian and his perspective is important. I hope he is taking
    this too far.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/21/trump-american-history-assassinated/

    Steven Pieczenik is furious at Trump. He claims that continued
    involvement in Afghanistan
    is a profound mistake with no constuctive outcome. Pieczenik, a major
    retired CIA top level professional and
    political operative , has been mentoring AJ (Alex Jones) for 20 years and now
    is at odds with both Trump and AJ on this topic.. He has three words for
    Trump’s new strategy: Kennedy and Vietnam.
    All this goes nowhere, he claims, but in the meantime it will waste lives and
    hundreds of billions of dollars.. He has equal disdain for Trump’s
    generals, whom Pieczenik regards as obsolete armchair warriors lost in a
    fantasy world where they are oblivious to reality.

    I suspect the truth partially spirals around all of these takes, leaving us
    hoping that Trump will pull a rabbit out of the hat.

    Best Wishes, Michael Mandeville

    from the mesas of Arizona; mwman@q.com

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    eter Palms

    11:47 AM (10 minutes ago)

    to ANKE

    to me

    Phoenix Five Earth Changes Bulletin

    August 24, 2017, by
    Michael Wells Mandeville

    Peter: Please repost this to all the places you post articles.

    Bulletin Item: Trump Is Swinging Aggressively Against Mass Media & The
    Race Baiters; A Huge Portion of All Pacific Southwest Races
    & Factions Are Solidly Behind Him

    After a relentless week of thunderous mass media condemnation about the
    “white supremacist”, “racist” President, whom the Warcast
    Media castigated for how he responded to the riotous violence at
    Charlottesville, Trump flew to Tucson on Monday to deliver a major
    speech about his policy to deal with Afghanistan and ISIS terrorism in
    general. All of the anti-war portion of his “base” were all
    ears to find out if Trump was finally going to deliver on his promise to
    terminate the endless and largely pointless American occupation of Afghanistan.
    They were highly nervous about whether he would buy the
    militarism policies of his Generals or whether he would say no to endless
    war.

    The unpredictable Trump predictably threw some unexpected curve balls on the
    topic, leaving the issue unresolved in many ways but with unclear major
    changes in the actual policies. The speech was well received by the
    Neocons and this may have finally solidified an alliance with the major power
    players in “The Swamp”. This may in turn isolate the
    Bolsheviks and the Warcast Media and greatly diminish their ability to
    manipulate a political coup which would “take out” Trump in some
    bureaucratically contrived fashion.

    The reactions of the anti-war anti-imperialism portion of his
    “base” in the Iway were all over the landscape, generally
    containing various degrees of doubt, pessimism, apprehension, and the fear
    that Trump may be drowning in “The Swamp”.

    After delivering his Foreign Policy speech in Tucson
    Monday night, Trump flew to Phoenix
    and delivered a high voltage mass rally Tuesday evening. The rally drew
    tens of thousands of people, some traveling from as far away as California
    and Texas. A line a mile
    and a half long wound around the Phoenix
    Convention Center and downtown Phoenix.
    People were still trying to get in when his rally speech began. Every
    time Trump comes to Arizona he
    makes political history and sets records for the turnout of a political
    event. ABC recorded and broadcast locally the entire event so there was
    no need to attend. People attended to stand with Trump in the face of
    an hostile establishment “Swamp”.

    He began by matter of factly wiping the floor with the “Fake News
    Industry”, his name for what I call the Warcast Media. His
    audience loved it. He directly counter punched the infamous national
    press corps multiple times, explaining in detail how the Fake News crowd
    clipped out what was really said and how they conveyed only a small portion
    of his remarks during the preceding weeks about the incident at Charlottesville.
    He demonstrated quite well how they created false impressions of his remarks
    by their selective omissions.

    Then he struck up some thunderbolts and hurled them directly at the Fake News
    Warcast Media. He declared that the Fake News Industry was creating the
    growing violent activity of the radical extremist groups such as Antifa and
    the KKK by giving them spotlight attention in the Media. Trump’s
    audience was in thunderous agreement. He hurled another bolt, declaring
    that the Mass Media is creating the racial divisions and conflicts in America.
    Again his audience was in thunderous agreement. In essence, Trump laid a
    hardy groundwork for calling CNN and ABC and similar media as race-war pimps,
    as indeed they have become this past several months in their frantic efforts
    to gin up the political destruction of Trump’s Presidency..

    The audience knows. They loved Trump’s blunt, feisty remarks. They
    especially enjoyed how Trump mocked the Media presence in the Convention
    Center. He stopped a couple of times and pointed to the camera banks which
    were recording his speech. “Oh look, the red lights are all going
    on, they are stopping the cameras. They don’t want anybody else to hear
    how I am talking about them”.

    Trump went on for an additional hour to discuss his agenda and the progress
    he is making on it. The “Wall” is going up on the border, job
    creation is a huge focus point and will remain so, and on and on through many
    other issues.

    All in all it was a masterful speech in the style and substance of FDR.
    “Make America Great Again” is essentially a modern version of
    FDR”s “New Deal” to rebuild America,
    sans the social engineering and governmental regulatory intrusion. The
    crowd was and is ENTHUSIASTICALLY all “ears” and it is
    reasonably clear that Trump enjoys a very large base of support which is as
    fervent as ever and clearly more determined than ever to overcome the old
    establishment’s manipulations.

    I suspect that political candidates who pick up and repeat this general line
    ENTHUSIASTICALLY during the next 18 months will devastate their political
    opponents. It wont really matter what party they are in, nor how vile
    the caustic remarks of the war-whoring race-pimps, Trump stands in the center
    of the Zeitgeist.

    I also suspect that the Bolsheviks will begin to fade rapidly. Pimping
    race-war wears out its appeal in the face of the actual experience of real
    facts. The simple truth is that too many blacks and Hispanics are
    around who see through establishment manipulations and have no hesitation in
    razing it. Neither the national press corps nor Soros’ paid agitators
    can muster enough “in-crowd appeal” for a trend to build a
    “Red Guard” Revolution. Their activities along these lines
    are increasing their isolation and adding depth to the informal Trump coalition.

    In the aftermath of the Charlottesville
    riot, the Antifa group (which is reportedly modeled after Mao-Tse-Tung’s
    infamous Red Guard Brigades) has announced that it will ignite a civil
    war on November 4, 2017
    in major cities of the U.S.
    In a pig’s eye, my Uncle would say. I am not sure what that metaphor
    actually means but it seems to fit this group which simply cannot connect
    with genuine human sensibility. Their announcements could be seen as
    threatening but it may reveal their weakness. A politically
    oriented group intent on organ zing people into mass action would normally
    build on its perceived successes immediately. If Charlottesville
    was a success for them, they would be ginning up for another round of
    opportunistic mayhem during September and early October to start off
    the next academic year with accumulated
    “mo”. .

    Instead they picked the day before Guy Fawkes day (November 5). From this
    choice, one supposes they are attempting to appropriate the
    anti-establishment nature of Guy Fawkes and the memes in the “V”
    for Vengeance movie. But I suspect that they have very little
    “mo” coming out of Charlottesville and will use the days between
    August and the weekend of November 4/5 spending lots and lots of
    the money provided by George Soros, who is an obvious Rothschild-bagman
    hiding in plain sight. No doubt they will recruit far and wide on
    college campuses and through Craigslist, and then train, train, and then
    brainwash some more.

    I seriously doubt any of this Antifa is going anywhere. I think we will
    see little more than a freakshow. If the freaks do go beyond rhetorical
    communist mumbo-jumbo and get violent, major cities have more than enough
    resources to round them up and cart them off to holding pens. Most
    likely these individuals will be highly unstable and an elementary good-cop
    bad-cop routine with simple benefits and promises of amnesty for testimony on
    the payments and the hierarchy of command will provide the information which
    will enable locking up the instigators and managers on sedition
    charges. If skillfully and knowingly done, it could lead to the arrest
    of Soros for sedition.

    Back to Trump and his seemingly “New World Order Trump Manifesto on Afghanistan
    and Islamo-Fascist Terrorism”. Trump’s anti-war base is
    reacting and recoiling in different ways.

    The most sanguine view is offered up by Alex Jones. He believes
    that Trump may have gone “sideways” to some
    degree. But he also believes that Trump is playing the Neocons with
    violin music while preparing to re-arrange affairs in Afghanistan
    to enable a military withdrawal during the next year.

    My own take agrees partially with that likelihood but is considerably alarmed
    that Trump is setting up a policy command strurcture for conducting
    overseas military missions to operate at will under cover of secrecy anytime,
    anywhere, for any purpose which can be said to be connected to fighting
    terrorism. This is of course an expansion of Caesar’s imperial powers
    outside the power of the Senate and the consciousness of the public. It
    is exactly where the warhawks and neocons want to be to be able to ply
    imperial powers with no opposition.

    Paul Craig Roberts takes a very pessimistic view…..based on the
    conclusion that Trump has been absorbed by the Neocons and that they are now
    transfiguring the U.S. into military barracks and gadget makers for a world
    empire in which Americans will never again have the political rights of the
    past 200 some odd years. Roberts is an highly informed, astute
    historian and his perspective is important. I hope he is taking
    this too far.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/21/trump-american-history-assassinated/

    Steven Pieczenik is furious at Trump. He claims that continued
    involvement in Afghanistan
    is a profound mistake with no constuctive outcome. Pieczenik, a major
    retired CIA top level professional and
    political operative , has been mentoring AJ (Alex Jones) for 20 years and now
    is at odds with both Trump and AJ on this topic.. He has three words
    for Trump’s new strategy: Kennedy and Vietnam.
    All this goes nowhere, he claims, but in the meantime it will waste lives and
    hundreds of billions of dollars.. He has equal disdain for Trump’s
    generals, whom Pieczenik regards as obsolete armchair warriors lost in a
    fantasy world where they are oblivious to reality.

    I suspect the truth partially spirals around all of these takes, leaving us
    hoping that Trump will pull a rabbit out of the hat.

  • SUMMARY

    The
    American dollar has no intrinsic value. It is a classic example

    of
    fiat money with no limit to the quantity that can be produced.

    Its
    primary value lies in the willingness of people to accept it and, to

    that
    end, legal tender laws require them to do so. It is true that our

    money
    is created out of nothing, but it is more accurate to say that it

    is
    based upon debt. In one sense, therefore, our money is created out

    of
    less than
    nothing. The entire money supply would vanish into

    bank
    vaults and computer chips if all debts were repaid. Under the

    present
    System, therefore, our leaders cannot allow a serious reduction

    in
    either the national or consumer debt. Charging interest on

    pretended
    loans is usury, and that has become institutionalized

    under
    the Federal Reserve System. The Mandrake Mechanism by

    which
    the Fed converts debt into money may seem complicated at

    first,
    but it is simple if one remembers that the process is not

    intended
    to be logical but to confuse and deceive. The end product

    of
    the Mechanism is artificial expansion of the money supply, which

    is
    the root cause of the hidden tax called inflation. This expansion

    then
    leads to contraction and, together, they produce the destructive

    boom-bust
    cycle that has plagued mankind throughout history

    wherever
    fiat money has existed.

    ADDENDUM: DEBT-CANCELLATION PROGRAMS

    Because
    banks lend money that does not exist prior to the transaction,

    many
    debtors have concluded they are not obligated to

    repay.
    This is a compelling concept in view of the fact that bank and

    credit-card
    loan contracts typically lead customers to think they are

    borrowing
    someone else’s money, which is why they are willing to

    pay
    interest. When challenged in court, these contracts often are

    judged
    to be fraudulent, and there now are companies offering

    “debt-cancellation”
    services to challenge these contracts with the

    end
    in mind that debts will be canceled. A discussion of the pros

    and cons of these programs is beyond the
    scope of this work

  • The is no shutdown necessary. The debt is paID ANNUALLY BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM BY ISSUING FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES IN PAYMENT OF THE DEBT. tHE SHUT DOWN IS OPTIONAL IF CONGRESS CAN DO IT WITHOUT THE pRESIDENT’S PERMISSION

  • Ron Alford

    We can not allow our debt to continue to climb, a point of no return is coming.

    • ernldo

      Unless we get a grip on the obscene spending, and begin employing all that can work its probably already past that point.

  • Linda Shelton

    How can you balance some thing that has not existed in 9 years, O never submitted any budgets. It will take congress a while to understand what a budget is.

  • AmericanMade2017

    Once again: drop back 15 and punt; play for (future) (political) field position.

    It’s NOT a debt ceiling problem … it’s a DC SPENDING PROBLEM — of BOTH major political parties.

    When does this game end? At $20T … at $25T … $30T?

  • David Tofsted

    Failure to raise the debt ceiling is not tantamount to a government shutdown. Far from it. It would merely require the government to slow down the rate of spending so that the money brought in matched the monies payed out. Only in the Obama era was the thought that riders might be attached to a debt ceiling increase bill would result in a government collapse. This was Obama’s favorite trick to keep the gravy train rolling. The only thing that needs to be dealt with is prioritizing the payments out of government so that servicing of the debt takes highest priority. Once that is done, everything else can be handled on a priority basis. Defense first, wasteful spending programs last. For that matter, it may be that these things can be handled by simply delaying the mailing of checks by days or weeks or putting spending caps in place on various programs.
    Also, look at whose oxes are going to get gored here. It’s the Democrat big spending programs that are sinking this country. By adding spending cut riders to the plan in the House the Senate Democrats have a choice: Either accept the cuts and get most of the spending they want, Or vote to not increase the debt with the attached riders and see ALL of their precious programs get their spending cut.

  • Stephen Howe

    But you see…with the liberal media WAY left of the farthest left, the GOP will get the blame for EVERYTHING! If Trump were to give every negro 5 million from his own pocket, Waters would screech that it’s not enough! The GOP is committing suicide to leave us with a one-party, communist government…with “rights” only for criminals.

  • hotrodrobert

    …..Our problems with the Budget and the Debt management are false flags that must remain clouded and fluid so the American people can be manipulated. So far so good. We have largely remained productive sheep. Earning and contributing to the trough that the Corrupt “Political Mutts ” of both parties engorge themselves with. The left taken over and controlled now by the Communists and Muslim factions advance their ideologies and become wealthy as they subvert the ” Constitutional Republic ” that once protected our freedom and rights recognized as God Given.
    ……Recently Hillary Clinton; world wide criminal and manipulator as Secretary of State “Lost” 6 Billion dollars. No one is even looking for it. Probably for health and self preservation concerns. On the same note the video of Alan Grayson was telling as he was frustrated in a Congressional inquiry of the ” Fed” as to where a missing 9 Trillion had vanished from their “non-existent Books”. Answers like ” I don’t know; It’s not my Department or Responsibility; I think someone in another Dept. is looking into that; I will check on the particulars and get back to you. ” Are accepted as normal . No one goes to jail, no one pays back the funds and no seem obviously to be in charge of anything except the outrageous cover-ups. Add to those figures the 100’s of billions in waste and fraud in every level of Government and it becomes too many zeros on the calculator to wrap your head around. Easily a path for the Congress to appropriate even higher debt ceilings to rob and pillage. One facet of America is the Soldiers who provide the chaos and protection for this criminal scheme and the votes necessary for a thinly veiled legal authority to even attain these offices of power. The other Facet of America provides the Industry and Labor to support the shell game and bleed the economy like a 16th Century doctor.
    ……But what has gone unnoticed and unreported [ Gasp !! Really !!] is that the Trump Presidency Has reduced the daily published National Debt by 131 Hundred Billion Dollars since January.That in combination with Trillions in Investments, and Millions of Jobs. [Source:https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=01&startYear=2017&endMonth=08&endDay=28&endYear=2017%5D So our reality is that if the RINO’s and the Criminal left didn’t obstruct Pres. Trump,there would be no reason to raise the Debt Ceiling PERIOD.! Working for the American people within the Constitutional system that is already in place is the answer. Now the issue becomes;when will the Sheep of the productive citizen population rise up to demand that the Government be truly representative and drive the soldiers of the occupying left back to the lair of the beast and away from Honorable Society.? The system is broken and run by criminals and despots. Trump may be our last hope to reverse our demise. He can’t do it without Support. We must stand now to have any chance to save this Republic.

  • flashy0ne

    I’m afraid that you people just don’t get it. The democrats will GO TO ANY LENGTH to hurt President Trump. I believe the BIG hangup will be the boarder wall. There can be no (unbiased) reason not to at least START this project. With all the ‘fluff’ that currently exists in the budget (Mulvany already took it out once) the funds are ‘in hand’. The sad part is the FACT that the swamper’s will deny these funds. In addition, without a balanced budget we are CHEATING every citizen in the U.S.A. as the value of their savings goes down. Hang tough Mr President, all of the house and one third of the senate are coming up next year. Your supporters still back you and you know the MSM never will. Find out just who are loyal NOW.

  • RussellRightWing

    I don’t care who gets blamed. As far as I can see, BOTH parties are absolutely guilty. NO DEBT CEILING CHANGE! None!

    Start limiting spending. It can probably only be done if Pres. Trump vetos whatever debt ceiling increase these clowns come up with! So, shut it down if need be. Just do it.

  • RussellRightWing

    Let me ask, so when is the proper time for a debt ceiling limit? Do you hear yourself? Just saying….

  • Herb1949

    You are full of crap. It is way past time to cut spending. It should have been done when bush had a majority in both houses. Instead they continued to cae to the dims and spending is still way out of control.

  • The Real Crisis Is Not The Government Shutdown »
    https://www.infowars.com/the-real-crisis-is-not-the-government-shutdown/

  • There can be no debt crisis as long as the federal reserve system keeps paying the annual deficit with Quantitative Easing using the issuance of payment of the debt

  • Congress knows that if it rescinds the 1913 Federal reserve Act, it can pay the debt only by increasing taxes and that assures all the the members of Congress two houses, that no one will be reelected both so they have to pretend the debt ceiling is a problem but it has not existed for years .

  • Lincoln Unmasked
    Lincoln Met With Hitler’s Approval

    http://www.unz.com/imercer/lincoln-or-lee-what-would-hitler-say/

    Lincoln’s Great Immoral Crusade

    https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/rehabbing-sherman/

  • 9400budlang8406

    It only makes sense if they will include spending controls so we won’t have to do this again and again. Given our history I doubt that can pull it off. They are too addicted to our money.

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  • Frank B.

    Yeah well tell it to chump. He is the asshole making the debt ceiling a problem! Seems like nobody wants to pay for chumps dumb ass wall!! LOL LOL LOL. Hey — since he’s supposed to be so fucking rich… he can pay for his own god damn wall! LOL LOL LOL!!!

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