• Frank B.

    What about the Religious Freedom attacks on Muslims?!?

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    • Jerome Rubenawitz

      Oh you again! They can all go back to DietriotAstan where they belong.

      • Frank B.

        I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about!

        • smilee

          Ditto

          • Frank B.

            Well— nobody forced you to read mine… or send me your silly little “reply”… Right cracker?!?

          • kim

            racist much? hatefulness is beyond clear!

          • Frank B.

            Do you Bitch?

          • Frank B.

            Now run along– and mind your own god damn business!

      • john last

        I’ve blocked that sick, racist bastard.
        Evidently from his hate spewing rhetoric, he’s trying to have someone threaten him so he can “alert authorities” and cause more trouble than his sick ilk already has/is.
        Eff you Frank B, I can’t hear you.

    • White, and Proud

      You don’t know what your talking about. There is no Religious freedom attack on Muslims. There is a out cry on Muslims but no attacks, I have not seen or heard of 1 mosque being blown up burnt down or destroyed in any way except by their own. Point Black Muslim in Houston burns down his own place of worship to make it look like White Americans burned a Muslim Mosque. It’s Racist people like you who start conflict so America can’t heal the differences of American People

      • Frank B.

        “white, proud”—and a GOD DAMN LIAR!!!!

        • White, and Proud

          Frank I speak the truth i don’t lie, and I am far from a bigot, your the 1 who doesn’t know the truth your the bigot, and liar, instead of being a vile creature, find God, and start being someone productive and stop Blaming others mainly White People for your miserable life. Last but least Grow up.

          • smilee

            Bigots and racist are always as deep in denial you are here. You are bigoted and racist.

          • joe

            And you’re a douche bag

          • Frank B.

            You are NOTHING BUT A GOD DAMN RACIST REDNECK BIGOT & ASSHOLE….. And since there are so many of you ignorant bastards on this site… I really don’t have time to waste on a new one.. So you are hereby —DISMISSED!! Asshole… take a fucking hike… go fuck your sister, or whatever the fuck you inbred mother-fuckers do, in your trailers….. DISMISSED!

          • joe

            You’re a douche bag Frank

        • kim

          you seem to just have a problem with the avatar name used for white, and proud…..it makes sense to be used in a time when there is so much white hatred and white apologists and young people feeling shameful just for being of the white race. this is a major problem so just because this person uses the white and proud name does not mean he or she is racist. can you not see how society and the propaganda media has led you to get all fired up with hatred for seeing those words together and your mind goes to an evil place. communism is not only destroying our nation but it is also destroying peoples mindsets such as yourself perhaps. it sure is a okay for any other race to say or to write that they are what ever color skin and proud. whats the difference?

          • Frank B.

            I got no problem Bitch! I said EXACTLY what I intended to say! And I don’t recall asking YOU to translate for the racist son of a bitch I was responding to. You can ramble all you like– but I was not talking to you, and therefore have no interest in anything younhave ti say. Now have a nice day!

          • kim

            LOL…..Its still a FREE COUNTRY and I can say pretty much what I want….I choose not to be filled with hatred for any one though.

          • Frank B.

            It may be a “free country” at least for crackers like you. But it’s still my personal choice not to talk to redneck assholes like you! Now run along Bitch. AND MIND YOUR GOD DAMN BUSINESS!

          • kim

            LOL….you have NO idea what race that I am and you get all fired up in your hatred which is only hurting yourself….your words do not hurt or offend me….you assume much I’ve noticed…even when you have NO idea of what your talking about.

          • Frank B.

            You’re that desperate to get the attention of a man who clearly does not want to talk to you! Damn that is sad!

          • kim

            Oh, your a man?

          • kim

            Oh….your a man?

          • kim

            Oh….your a man?

          • Frank B.

            No problem. I know how to deal with desperate whores like yiy. Good bye bitch, Have a nice life!

          • kim

            OH…BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU CURSING OUR LORD’S NAME IN VAIN!!!!!!! THATS UNCALLED FOR AND IF YOU SAY THAT YOU DO NOT CARE…WELL, THEN I CARE BECAUSE IT IS YOUR VERY SOUL THAT YOUR HURTING! NOW STOP WITH THE VILE CURSING WORDS TOWARDS GOD WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR HATE FILLED HEART. Seriously, try and get a grip. Perhaps you need some help….for real.

      • smilee

        Sure there is more so than Christians having their religion attacked in this country and many other countries too but that does nit mean Christians in parts of the world are not be attacked as well.. ISIS kills and tortures far more Muslims than Christians, There have been many attacks and bombings on mosques in this country too, very recently in Minnesota and every religion come to their aid to help them rebuild it. Jews, Christians and others. Real Christians do that. You do not seem to pay attention to anything much do you. Your bigotry is showing,

        • White, and Proud

          I work for the government and I know alot more than you will ever know as to what is going on in this country, and I hate to bust your bubble I did forget of the 1 loonies in Minn, forgive me. But the other mosque attacks have all had inside dealings and the article is about America not around the world

          • smilee

            So your still a bigot and a racist working for the government. does not make you immune from that, Bigots and racists almost always lie so you just are not creditable and working for the government does not cure that disease.

          • White, and Proud

            I can see your the person who knows everything but don’t know squat, 2nd you know nothing about me. So your childish name calling doesn’t bother me, I put up with people just like you everyday. But wait I’m innocent I did nothing wrong please don’t take me to jail you’re nothing more than a communist dirtbag. I enjoy putting people like you in jail

          • smilee

            LOL your so blind and so idiotic. Lost for intelligent words are you?

          • kim

            communists is the key word. people really do need to wake up to the reality that communism has infiltrated and are the democratic party now and even the republican rhinos as well. that is why islam is so accepted as their laws align perfectly with communism just like they were very chummy with hitler during ww2. same mindset consisting of evil fascist communistic world views.

          • Freedom Rules

            Actually It’s The Communist Left That Are The True Racist, Look It Up, The DemonRAT Party Has A Very Long History Of Bigotry..

          • smilee

            All the bigots and racists have for some time now affiliated only with the republicans so it is time you updated yourself to the truth.

          • kim

            Another non truth that you spew. Do some historical research and you WILL FIND that it was and still is ((though in deception)) the political democratic party that started and still is the racist party that has kept the African Americans and others in the mindset of lies and still do NOTHING for them EVER! However, there are no political parties as it was in the old days because what we have now are communists and fascist who call others the names in which they are GUILTY of. The deception is HEAVY and unfortunately believed by mostly the younger generation.

          • kim

            Name calling does not a truth make.

        • White, and Proud

          And also Obama had all agents of the government take classes on Islam and Muslim Culture and these attacks from 1 Muslim on another, again not to bust your bubble but the Muslim who kills another Muslim doesn’t see him as a Muslim, but a non believers

          • smilee

            Some in government deal with Muslims around the world all the time especially today so understanding them better allows them to do their job better that is a plus so what is your real problem with it and not all were required to. . Muslim terrorists like all terrorist think those they kill are less than they are and is nothing but a desire for power, control and money. The misuse of religion is often the method they use to gain control. We used it over blacks and Indians when this country was settled and many still feel these are less than them. You appear to do that too.

        • chuck

          There are twice the number of attacks on Jews in this country then on Muslims. And most of those attacks on Muslims have shown to be false. They love to claim that they are being targeted but they are not.

          • smilee

            No they have not and court cases with convictions have proven other wise and because there might be more attacks Jews does not justify any on Muslims as you seem to infer, Muslims are being target as Jews often have been, bigots deny reality.

  • MILES E DRAKE

    All reported “hate crimes” involving mohammedans have been found on investigation to be hoaxes, faked by the purported victim(s) in order to get money or attention, or to advance the islamization of America. There can be no doubt that pogroms against Christians are underway or about to start. In addition to outright killings, such as last week’s church attack and the well-known “man-made disasters” and “workplace violence incidents” covered up by the Obongo regime, we now have the assertion by Barney Sanders that Evangelical Protestants cannot hold public office and the claims by Feinberg and Dick Turban that Roman Catholics should be barred from the federal bench because “dogma lives loudly” in them. Just this week, hyperventilating that Judge Moore is even worse than a “conservative Christian”, an MSNBC talking head stated that the assertion, made by the Judge but also many times by the founding fathers, that our rights come from God and not the government is incompatible with the Constitution they wrote. This in addition to the now-usual paganization of our already incompetent and pornographic public educational system that gives us festival trees, winter holidays, condoms on cucumbers and satanists cathechizing preschoolers. Christianity is under attack in America in 2017 just as much as was Judaism in 1934 Germany.

    • smilee

      Your absurd analysis is skewed and slanted and many 100% false as is your stated Christian beliefs. Ray Moore is not a patriotic American and only bigots support him which does not say much for the people of that state. This man had to be removed from the bench as he outwardly refused to follow the Constitution not once but twice. That is a very bad judge and person. He is what is sick in this country today. Your post is full of falsehoods.

      • MILES E DRAKE

        I suspect that $15 an hour from Soros or The Witch to post such stuff would not be a falsehood,

        • smilee

          ??? why the attempts to divert from the conversation, how stupid of you. I spoke the truth and clearly you cannot rebut the truth so you try this diversion. How stupid and Ignorant of you!

          • MILES E DRAKE

            A hit dog always howls.

          • smilee

            Are you really as stupid as your words suggest??

          • Freedom Rules

            This explains a lot about today’s Democratic Party.
            In an article published in late June, anti-communist analyst Trevor Loudon, author of the book The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the US Congress, shined the spotlight on the multiple communists and “radical anti-American socialists” serving on the platform committee. Among the figures cited in the report are a number who have been involved in the “Democratic Socialists of America,” which Loudon described as “a communist group based on the theories of Italian Communist party theoretician Antonio Gramsci — an advocate of revolution through infiltration.” Other platform members were from what he referred to as “more traditionally communist groups.”

            “Most of these individuals could not pass an FBI background security check to sell you stamps at the Post Office,” Loudon argued in his June 26 article. “They would not be allowed to clean the toilets on any military base in this country. Yet they are drafting policies that will shape the lives of more than 300 million Americans. It is time for loyal Democrats to realize that their party is no longer the party of Harry Truman, or JFK. It has been hijacked at the highest levels by enemies of the U.S. Constitution and American freedom.”

            And indeed, there can be little doubt that some of the extremists identified by Loudon are hostile to the U.S. Constitution and the liberties of the American people. In fact, they say so themselves throughout the Democrat Party platform they drafted — a document that includes brazen attacks even on constitutionally protected liberties such as free speech, and of course flagrantly denies even the right to life by promoting taxpayer-funded killing of unborn children across America and worldwide. The fact that the extremists were appointed with the support or at least tacit approval of leading Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and DNC boss Debbie Wasserman Schultz, also speaks volumes.

            Several of the socialists identified by Loudon are affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America, the nation’s largest and most prominent socialist organization. Aside from promoting dangerous tyranny and constitutional subversion in the United States, the DSA is also an affiliate of the totalitarian global alliance of communists and socialists known as the Socialist International. The SI, of course, is a world socialist government-promoting outfit that includes numerous murderous political parties from around the globe. So extreme is the global outfit that its 24th Congress in 2012 was hosted by a Marxist political party whose president was at the time busy advocating genocide of minorities on national television.

            Another dangerous outfit well-represented on the Democrat Party’s platform committee is the Communist Party USA, once a tentacle of the mass-murdering Soviet regime in the United States. However, the presence of CPUSA friends and activists on the Democrat Party’s key committee guiding the party’s positions is hardly a surprise. Last year, the CPUSA’s boss, John Bachtell, even boasted openly that his Marxist-Leninist organization “utilizes” the increasingly radical Democratic Party to advance its totalitarian objectives in the United States. “At this stage we are about building the broad people’s movement led by labor that utilizes the vehicle of the Democratic Party to advance its agenda,” Bachtell wrote to his supporters.

            The first anti-American socialist highlighted by Loudon is Dr. Cornel West, a supporter of socialist Bernie Sanders and a supposed “theologian” who does not even bother to conceal his radical socialist views and extreme agenda. In fact, after decades of membership, West also became Honorary Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. West also founded the socialist New Party in the 1990s and has produced a great deal of Marxist propaganda, including, among other resources, the book The Ethical Dimensions of Marxist Thought. He has been a pioneer in exploring how race-mongering and fanning race hatred can be exploited by socialists to advance their totalitarian agenda.

            Also cited by Loudon is Representative Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), another Sanders supporter who, among other controversies, has been a supporter of the radical Nation of Islam. Despite his open advocacy for homosexuality, Ellison is the first “Muslim” elected to the U.S. Congress. He is also “a longtime associate of the Minnesota Communist Party,” according to Loudon. “Keith Ellison has held several meetings in the home of recently deceased Minnesota Communist Party leader Erwin Marquit, was elected with the help of teams of communist phone bankers and has contributed an article to the Communist Party USA‘s People’s World website,” Loudon explained. Indeed, the CPUSA’s propaganda mouthpiece even promoted Ellison’s campaign for Congress, calling him a “fresh progressive” and “established progressive leader.”

            Another socialist helping to write the Democrat platform is Obama’s former “climate czar” Carol Browner. Plenty of the “qualifications” on her résumé ought to raise eyebrows for Americans concerned about freedom and sovereignty. Perhaps most alarming, though, is Browner’s leadership seat on the Socialist International’s “Commission for a Sustainable World Society,” which openly sought to impose “global governance” on humanity and “promote socialist ideas and work towards this objective at international level” under the guise of dealing with supposed man-man global warming. Browner also has a long history of working with extremist groups, including an outfit known as “Citizen Action” founded by former Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) radicals.

            Numerous other extremists with troubling track records of totalitarian, anti-constitutional extremism are also listed among the platform committee’s members. Representative Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), for example, is “a former member of the pro-Cuba, Marxist-Leninist Puerto Rican Socialist Party,” Loudon explained, adding that Gutierrez, an open-borders activist, was also involved with a Maoist group and the socialist New Party. Gutierrez is currently in hot water for showering hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds on his wife and daughters.

            Also listed is Paul Booth, a Big Labor organizer for government workers and a DSA leader whose group has helped train “thousands of community organizers in Saul Alinsky tactics.” Alinsky dedicated his book on how to seize power to Lucifer. Representative Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), described by Loudon as “a longtime associate of Democratic Socialists of America and the Communist Party USA,” is also on the platform committee. Lee, who has been to Communist Party-ruled Cuba more than 20 times, was also a secret member of the Communist Party breakaway group Committees of Correspondence.

            Of course, none of this is a new phenomenon. In a March 1999 exposé of socialists and communists in Congress by The New American, Robert W. Lee showed how the “House Progressive Caucus,” founded by avowed socialists and communists, was becoming increasingly influential while attempting to conceal its extremism behind lofty rhetoric. Indeed, many of those identified had a long and dangerous history of working with America’s sworn communist enemies to subvert the U.S. Constitution and promote tyranny worldwide. Today, the extremists are more powerful than ever, and, along with their globalist comrades, practically run the Democrat Party.

            Unsurprisingly, the Democrat Party’s draft platform reflects the dangerous extremism of the committee that wrote it. That is bad news for America. Indeed, if it were to be implemented, what remains of the Judeo-Christian foundations of America, the U.S. Constitution, and the liberties it protects would all be obliterated, along with America’s remaining prosperity. Americans who value the U.S. Constitution and the liberties it protects should educate others about the dangerous cast of characters that helped write the Democrat Party’s agenda.

            Transforming USA into a COMMUNIST country (FULL video)

            https://youtu.be/JnIT1y5Sto8

          • smilee

            OMG you really are as stupid as your words suggest?? A whole chitt load of them this time but still all lacking any words showing any inrtelligence.

          • Tunaby

            Is your vocabulary so limited that “stupid” is he only word you are familiar with? Most four year old children have a better command of the English language. Formal education may be a good pursuit for you.

          • White, and Proud

            That Democrat Troll don’t believe in the Truth!! he is so Brainwashed by the Democrats he still wants to believe it’s still the same old BS, Party. Yeah Obama himself declared the new name all throughout his reelection bid in 2010-2012, They aren’t very good with the Truth, if it be telling or Believing in the Truth. They all are so programmed in the act, of repeating the Lie enough times eventually people will start to believe the Lie. And Yes it does work on people who lie, but not on people who are truthful. Liars believe lies!! Honest people do research before believing or being mislead

        • Kenneth Jones

          Just exactly where the hell did you dig up this crap that you’ve been spewing? Where’s your ironclad proof? Name it! Tell us who wrote your script for you!

      • chief1937

        Maybe you should do a little research before posting your false accusations. I don’t know anything about Ray Moore but Roy Moore was in fact following the constitution when he was removed from office. It was a court order he refused to follow not the constitution. Your condemnation of him is without merit and as you said full of falsehoods.

        • smilee

          OMG how ignorant of you, court orders are an order from the court enforcing law and/or the constitution. This court order dealt with him defying the constitution as he had defied the constitution and he refused to enforce it in fact he refused to follow it. Do you think court opinions are pulled out of thin air for no reason they enforce law when laws are not being followed here it was not, Moore was not following constitutional law that is the reason he was thrown off the court.

          • Tunaby

            You are becoming incoherent!

        • Torii

          Smilee has nothing, it’s all “How ignorant of you, you got nothing” liberal logic 101, a fool he is.

      • Torii

        You need to go back to school, no wait, that’s where you received that brain dead liberal mentality, all you stupid liberals do is cry about Muslims, you have to take them in or you’re an Islamophobe,it’s OK for Muslims to prey by the hundreds in the streets, but, don’t allow a Christian to say Jesus, or God in school, oh no, that will insult others, Liberals are brain dead sheep.

        • smilee

          That is because liberals are not bigoted and racist and do not hate them as you and your type often does,. The constitution is what separates church and state and has been in law since 1791 and created mostly by the orginal founders. You do not like our founders then.

          • Statesman Patriot

            You’re not in any way a student of the constitution. Nowhere does it say separation of church and state. That was an interpretation of a liberally divided Supreme Court who put new words into the translations.

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

            Simply interpreted it means Congress shall not create its own church or prohibit anyone from exercising their legitimate religion.

            God has different meanings to many religions and we are protected to enjoy whatever god or religion we wish. But just as there are restrictions to free speech, i.e.- can’t tell fire in a crowd unless there really is a fire, there must be restriction on religions that may be dangerous to citizens.

            Shariah law is one that needs to be banned.

            Your rants are that of a useless fool. Because you can’t win the argument, you resort to name calling.

            Freedom Rules was accurate in his breakdown how socialism in America has happened. Here is another little tidbit—–

            Norman Mattoon Thomas, in 1944, stated that he no longer needed to run for President of the United States for the American Socialist Party because the Democratic Party had adopted their platform.

          • smilee

            That is your opinion but it is not an accurate opinion. Court got it right you just do not wnat to accept that truth. Congress has not established any state religion nor is anyone been deprived of their freedom of religion so what is your point. Shirria law is in effect not legal as much of its practices is not allowed by the constitution and much of it punished as a crime if done, so again what is your point. Who did I call a name? I have pointed out what they have done as when they lie I have called them liars and you are lying about me. There is no laws you call socialism that are not allowed by the constitution so then it follows if you believe that you have to also believe the Constitution is a socialist document and the founders a bunch of socialists. You cannot have it both ways. Rhetoric is not law and you seem to think it is. It is you who are not the student of the constitution as you clearly think it is something it is not,

          • Statesman Patriot

            You’ve called people ignorant and stupid.
            Hate to say it but you truly do not understand the constitution as it was intended. You understand it as the way you were indoctrinated and brainwashed in lies by liberal redefinition.
            But I guess you simply need to look in the mirror so you can truly see what you are describing.

          • smilee

            Only if they are ignorant or stupid and that is not my fault. It is you who demonstrates to those who actually know the constitution just how ignorant you are if this document (which you are) and to claim you do when you do not is just plain stupid.

          • Statesman Patriot

            You and FrankB are the two dumbest libtard trolls around. Nothing you say has any truth in fact. You make things up for your own convenience.

            Frank B has admitted to being an unemployed racist welfare recipient. He hates whites, lives big government, doesn’t know who his daddy is and only knows a few of his many half siblings.

            You must be one of his siblings!

          • smilee

            So you liars say! You do not make truth up dumbazz as it is fact and I do not know who Frank is but as you lied about me you probably lied about him to,

          • jimshaw54

            Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha —I am still laughing. It takes one tp know one.

          • kim

            liberals=communists

      • BTeboe

        Liar.

      • kim

        smilee; Maybe it would help you to step back and see that throughout this whole day, except for as of this moment anyways; MILES E DRAKE has EIGHT arrows up for his comment and you have ZERO. This actually is pretty much the same through this entire thread with your comments compared to those that you attack. Your own comments are getting mostly ZERO arrows up except you do get ONE arrows up by Frank B. here and there. Hope that this helps you to see some real truth coming from your own comments in comparison to the real truth coming from those who you are intolerant and hateful towards and I hope that you realize that it is not worth it. Being mean and uninformed is so very draining and eventually it hurts and leaves you empty. Seek Truth…Real Truth that is.

        • smilee

          Meaningless , most people are here live and breathe propaganda So of course they are not going to give me up arrows, to me that is a compliment. If true was celebrated on here I would have all the up arrows. You are cluelees to the real truth.

  • Estell Newton

    Liberals say they want freedom from religion. No they don’t. They are constantly into it. What they want is religion their way. And their way is Sodom and Gomorrah type religion. An anything goes attitude. That is what is ruining our country. We need to get back to basics. A belief in God that God accepts and forget the sinful idiocracies that liberals want. We need to stand up for our beliefs and if that means being politically incorrect, then so be it. They are not taking my religion away from me regardless. of what they believe.

    • smilee

      Your religious practices are protected by law as are all other religions or none at all s whom do not share your religious beliefs as your religious beliefs are not under law or the constitution deemed superior to any others and your analysis in your response is just not accurate in fact it is false. Our country has always been consumed by evil and good some things now are much better and some much worse but still good and evil so going back solves nothing dust different brand of good and evil. Our constitution is secular law and not religious law of any religion but it protects all religions. It is wrong to force your religion on anyone and even Christians were only called to witness not force Biblical doctrine on anyone as all have free will it is God’s greatest gift to us and our laws through secular respect that free will and that is not true in parts of the world.

      • jim_wright

        They may be “protected by law”, however those laws are being reinterpreted intentionally by the left to mean things that they were never intended to mean and discrimination against Christians is at a level never before seen in this country by the left.

        • smilee

          So the alt right propaganda says, but that is simply not true and proves you have no real understanding of the constitution and cannot think for yourself . The majority on the court are conservatives’ dummy. There is no discrimination against Christians either, all are free to practice their religion as long as they do not use their Christianity as a club to deny constitutional rights to others they do not approve of and there is a lot of that going on in this country today by those. You have the alt right propaganda down pat proving you cannot think for yourself and there are millions of Christians that say they are not being criminated against and do not buy into your BS.

          • BTeboe

            Liar

          • America1st

            You need to read the DNC platform where they removed any reference to God and review DNC Convention video where the Democrats actually booed God.
            Christians are being attend every day in the media. Take the season premier of the “comedy” Will & Grace” last night as an example.

          • smilee

            Law and our Contitution is secular and political parties should be to so what is your point. They have never booded God, spin spin. Christians are not bigpted so why are you?

          • America1st

            The Constitution says Congress is “prohibited from passing any law establishing a religion…” It does not say that religion is prohibited.

            In fact the writings of our founding fathers clearly indicate that our government is based upon Natural Law as stated in our Declaration of Independence:
            “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

            Here are some of the thoughts from our founding fathers concerning the necessity of a religious moral compass to serve as a guide to sustain our form of government:
            John Adams said “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
            Benjamin Franklin said “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
            George Washington said ” Virtue or morality is a necessarily spring of popular government.
            Thomas Jefferson said “The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of mankind.”
            Richard Henry Lee, signer of the Declaration of Independence said “It is true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people.”

            All you can do is criticize and resort to name calling tactics instead of presenting factual based evidence.

          • Paul Smith

            It is interesting to note that only two of the examples cited mention religion and the two that do would work equally well without the words ‘religious’ and ‘Jesus’ (the second stemming from the observation that the doctrines of Jesus came from long before the time of Jesus).

          • America1st

            Without religion you have tyranny. Our forefathers clearly understood that the first thing Tyrants do when they seize power is to destroy religion in all forms in order to remove hope from the people. Study the examples set by Lennon, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Khmer Rouge (over 100 million dead in the 20th century).

            Many came to the new world to escape from religious persecution. Our forefathers were careful to provide for religious freedom even when some did not agree with their personal beliefs. Their greater fear was Tyranny and established a new government form never seen before that recognizes their Creator that endowed our inalienable rights. 200+ years later, we still have the greatest country in world history.

          • Paul Smith

            That’s as stupid a comment as I have read all year. Without government, religion IS tyranny and is, more often than not, brutal and genocidal to people of other faiths.

            Men fight and die over money, assets, power, women, land, fear, anger, etc. That always has been and always will be. Religionists fight over superstition and an effort to control thoughts. God may or may not exist, I see no supporting evidence that he does, but religion is evil.

            Umm, 240 years is not a very long time. No creator endowed any inalienable rights, we humans did that all by ourselves and, unfortunately, those ‘inalienable’ rights are extant only so long as humans allow it.

          • America1st

            Name calling is your only argument because you have empty beliefs and no faith. Sad for you

          • Ruth Hammons

            So true…we need to pray for him as he is lost….May the Lord touch your heart in a true way and bring you back to the family of God, before it is too late…He loves you and wants you to be with Him again and for eternity! Jesus come into this man’s heart and life again and may he see the truth…Amen! and anyone else that needs your Grace as we all do.

          • Ruth Hammons

            Paul….it is MAN who has had the corrupt ideas, NOT God! Man has taken religion and used it in there own evil ways…it is that way today but those that do really believe honor and are true to their faith know the truth. It does not mean we are perfect or above- far from it…we are ALL sinners and come short but by faith and the Grace of God we believe and will see Him again,…as all will when He returns for us and to judge the rest of the world. There is nothing that has been used as viciously and evilly as faith in God, religion in the world. As there is God and good, so is their satan and evil!!! Satan delights in ruining what is good, right and honorable!!!!
            I tis because we were founded a faith based nation in freedom, that we were blessed by God and and that is why America became the greatest nation in the world and why we were founded in unalienable rights by the Creator……you are fighting a dead house friend…it is written and all of the facts are in the history books and all over the nation’s capitol on the buildings for heaven sake…you cannot change history or our heritage…Hey look up Joe Barton’s work and it is all right there!

          • Paul Smith

            You have a BELIEF system, Ruth. I’m not going to try to talk you out of your BELIEF system but you need to think about what a BELIEF system is. Because you BELIEVE that it is so does not make it so and there is not a shred of evidence that supports your BELIEF system and much evidence, including a boatload in the book itself that indicates that it is a complete fabrication. A very good book on the subject is SEEING THROUGH CHRISTIANITY, by Bill Zuersher. I know you won’t read it, it would upset your BELIEF system but maybe others will.

          • jimshaw54

            And you DON’T have a BELIEF system? Your happens to be inspired by human beings, who have made many “mistakes” trying to outgess God.

          • Paul Smith

            When god makes himself known, I’ll listen. Today we have various Santa Clauses and Easter Bunnies that people believe in without a shred of evidence. It has been that way since the first Homo Sapiens opened his eyes. Fear drives religion and people peddle that fear for profit and power. Had you been born in Saudi Arabia, you’d be a Muslim. Had you been born in Japan, you’d be a Shinto or Buddhist. You are what your parents and their society told you to be. Your belief system used to be my belief system but I asked a few difficult questions and got the wrong answers. It didn’t take much research to see through the thin veil to reality.

          • jimshaw54

            I am sorry that you have lived as long as you have without seeing “The Hand of God” in your life, or the beauty of His creation that is all around us.

            RELIGION can be evil, but God isn’t religion.

          • Paul Smith

            I’m sorry that you stopped with Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

          • smilee

            He talked about religion not God and often they are different, Paul spoke the truth.

          • smilee

            WOW so many wars in history were over religion and war is tyranny. They also did not say the Creator was the Christian God either and in fact they said they believed it was the creator (left undefined who that is) as the DOI that did not state that as fact but as belief and it is applicable to all religions or none. Separating law from religion was of the wisest thing they did but many today want to destroy their wisdom.

          • America1st

            Our forefathers clearly understood that the preservation of freedom and liberty is dependent upon a virtuous and moral people.

          • smilee

            Sure it is but that does not require religion albeit it is professed to a part of religion but in the US today we see that sadly missing in some religions, The founders separated the two for that very reason and that is why we are not a theocracy.

          • Ruth Hammons

            Fool of course they did….the people knew there was a Messiah to come and that is what begane Christianity…after Jesus, the Christ!
            Who came to came to save ALL mankind, for their sin, for all time. He was the last sacrifice and paid our way as long as we believe. He had the Bible written so that mankind would have a guide to live by and His disciples taught the Word so that it would be known through out the lands and the world an dis still being done so today. We he rose he gave the command for them to go and teach and preach and unto all Christians to share Him and His word as it is in the Bible…which gives the account of this very time. The Bible IS the inherent word of God and is most certainly the truth, the only truth no matter what anyone else says. God has given man many chances; 1st in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve and they chose to gain the knowledge of good and evil thus we have freedom of choice, but that was not what God had in mind for us–it was much better! Then when the world continued to be so evil God brought the world flood that can be proven today and killed everyone but Noah and his family who became the new descendants of man; then when everyone thought once again they knew better than God and started building the Tower of Babel….God scattered all of mankind to the corners of the world speaking different languages and looking different…to confound mankind so that we would have to work at trying to get along..(.I’d say we have done a miserable job of it too!) Then He brought in human form, His Son, Jesus so that man would believe by seeing and hearing someone like them and thus the truth was given and Jesus died on the cross for us all….the rest is history (proven history) and the Bible is the Word to live by.

          • Paul Smith

            Most of them were BELIEVERS and those that weren’t were trying to build a nation, not get persecuted by a bunch of crazy BELIEVERS. The rest of your diatribe about your BELIEF system is of no interest to me. Any rational person, read non-Jew/Christian, who reads that nonsense must come to the conclusion that yours is a particularly evil and pretty powerless god. Can’t control his angels, can’t control his people, can’t make his presence or his desires known to the World (has to do it through a backwards tribe in the middle of nowhere), can’t ensure that his words are preserved intact, can’t create a ‘son’ who is anything more than an amalgam of gods and goddesses who went before, can’t make up his own mind and allows mortals to change it and on and on it goes. Sorry, your BELIEF system doesn’t impress me.

          • smilee

            The Constitution says Congress is “prohibited from passing any law establishing a religion…” It does not say that religion is prohibited.

            CONGRESS HAS NOT! RELIGION IS NOT PROHIBITED EITHER SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? IT’S FREEDOM IS PROTECTED

            In fact the writings of our founding fathers clearly indicate that our government is based upon Natural Law as stated in our Declaration of Independence:
            “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

            “WE HOLD” MEANS WE BELIVE (AND SUPPORT) THOSE CONCEPTS BUT THEY DID NOT SAY THEY WERE DEFINED BY FACT BUT BY BELIEFS. WHAT THEY PUT IN THE CONTITUTION IS SUPREME LAW AND ENDEAVERS TO ESTABLISH LIFE LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS AS ONE OF ITS INTENTS

            Here are some of the thoughts from our founding fathers concerning the necessity of a religious moral compass to serve as a guide to sustain our form of government:

            THEIR ADVISE BUT NOT LAW! THEIR RHETORIC IS NOT LAW BUT THEIR OPINIONS AND SOME DISAGREED AT THE TIME . ALL I HAVE GIVEN YOU IS FACTS BUT YOU DENY THAT REALITY AND GIVE US FALSEHOODS AND THAT SHOULD BE CRITICIZED

          • kim

            Please re-read smilee……..”…..that are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights,……” The US Constitution was INDEED brought together under the Guidance of God, our CREATOR, and the Forefathers who PRAYED before creating the fabric of this New and Free Country. GOD had very much to do with the forming of this More Perfect Union!!!

          • smilee

            So you believe and the whole thing reads
            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
            You left out some in your response so it is out of context “WE HOLD” meaning we believe not claiming this is factual and you can believe our constitution is a religious document but they created a secular one not a religious one and some of it conflicts with biblical doctrines and its intent was to provide protections for all people not just those with your beliefs of whom you show little respect.

          • kim

            You need to show and or tell me where I “show little respect” for all people please? I mean; the more I read from your comments towards me; it seems all I get is you calling me a “liar” MANY times and now you say that I have no respect for others that are not of my belief’s? Where did I even elude to such vileness? Must you name call me? Is it to throw a person off of what you are not exactly knowledgeable of saying, yet you still say it anyways? i’m just trying to understand where I warrant being called a “liar” MANY times and where I show no respect for people that are of different belief’s than myself? Makes no sense as you do not even know me and because I look at all people in regard to their soul most importantly. Believers and non-believers in Christ ALL comes down to our very soul and where we ALL will be eternally and forever. The most important action in this world is to whether or not and who will and wants to be reconciled back to our LORD GOD. That is what is Most Important to me; Even and especially Rules over this political stuff that we all seem to argue over….you know. Now i’m in no way a perfect person; BUT i’m NOT a liar and i’m NOT a soul that judges or disrespects another soul because they believe different than myself….SO PLEASE stop telling those non truths about me as this would be much appreciated if you could stop those two non-truths. Thanks in advance.

          • smilee

            GO BACK AND RE-READ ALL THIS TIME WITH AN OPEN MIND!

          • kim

            Well; so much has been said between the two of us and even between you and others and I have re-read and did so with the “open mind” that you suggested that I do. The words still are the same and I have definitely found that I have no confusion whatsoever in our conversations; So, i’m not quite sure what you are wanting me to see that you feel I’ve missed along the way. You have your thoughts and belief’s on these subject topics as I do and as even others do. Just because we all do not agree totally on all subjects does not mean that one is not as important as another. Of course people would hope to get others to understand their view and maybe even get them to come to take your own view points…..But usually this does not happen and we are left with our own views and should respect the views of others whether or not they are the same as our own or not. Maybe if folks could respect others points of view at least could bring down the hatred and violence and cruel words a notch; would help bring a civilized conversation to the point of a healthy debate on subjects that involve us all as American Citizens in which have to live amongst one another. I cant help but to think about the children and the younger people who are listening and watching how some of us so called adults are dealing with our differences and we sure are not showing them a healthy interaction amongst one another to figure important issues out in the keeping of our Nation to continue in the right way for future generations that are being bombarded with so many lies and arguing with answers hardly ever figured out in any civilized manner. What kind of future do our children, grand children and great grand children even have if we leave them with all this confusion and hatred?

          • Ruth Hammons

            Yes it surely was…in fact the church that was spared on 9/11 was the very church that they went to during the time of the writings to pray about their decisions!!! Because before they moved to other areas of New England, Manhattan was where they met!! Most certainly men of Faith in God!

          • America1st

            Our Court system has many rulings that prohibit the display of crosses, Navity scenes, bible verses, the Ten Commandments and public prayer. Over the past 8 years there has been a progressively growing attack worldwide on Christianity.

            One’s religion is based upon what one believes to be true. Our forefathers had both the faith and wisdom to establish this country based upon these beliefs. Apparently you do not. That’s fine with me but sadly you miss the joy of understanding the truth.

          • Paul Smith

            Been there, done that, got the T. Your belief makes you happy (as it did me) but the truth will set you free.

            As to the court and Christianity, the effort is to keep the baying hounds at bay. Allowing Christian prayer at school opens prayer to any and all who demand it including Witches and Satanists and Pagans and so it goes. You have a right to believe any idiotic thing you like but you do not have the right to foist your silly belief system on me or my children. Keep it in your temples and in your homes where it belongs.

          • Ruth Hammons

            God forgive you for your atheism. What did He ever do to you for you to turn your back on Him? Seek and you will find!

          • Paul Smith

            Once upon a time, I also believed in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. ‘He’ did nothing, I asked questions and got twisted logic and nonsense. It didn’t take long to figure out the rest.

          • smilee

            How do you then explain the conflicts between the conflicts between the Bible and Constitution as there are differences and both exist for two different purposes. There have been cultural attacks on Christianity because of the increased evil but in this country it is not done by the government or the Constitution. the founders knew that thus they did not create a Christian theocracy or any theocracy they created freedom for all to choose that for themselves and that is the beauty of their vision. That is the Truth and you deny it. That is so prevalent in our culture today it is destroying us and sadly religion itself is driving it but then that too is biblical prophecy.

          • jimshaw54

            A: The Bible and the Constitution are not to be compared.
            B. Tell me what Christians are damping your ability to live your belief (or non-belief).
            C: Tell me how religion (other than secular “religion”) is destroying us.
            Until you can answer those question LOGICALLY with a list of how your religious freedom is being destroyed keep your mouth shut about Christianity. You obviously do not know what you are talking about.

          • smilee

            Not all Christians as many do believe that anyone should be dictated to by law in behaviors that harms no one other than maybe themselves. Some proclaimed Christians have been real active in lobbing for laws that to not respect the constitutional rights of others based on their religious beliefs and want to in effect force their religions on those who do not believe as they think they should believe. They advocate for discrimination against these people and wish to control them on their terms which is against the constitution. The want the courts to ruled based on their religious beliefs not on our law. Many Christians do believe that is not Christian behaviors and do not support their bigoted beliefs and actions. This destroys our domestic Tranquility and our constitution. Secularism is not destroying our country bigoted Christians and others who discriminate do. My Christian beliefs do not support their bigoted attitudes. My religious freedom is not being destroyed nor is any but these bigots want protections beyond their religious freedoms and lie about that falsely claiming that is happening to them when in reality it is not.

          • D Gardner

            They did boo God I remember when it happened how shocked I was

          • smilee
          • R.D. Williams

            Democrats at the 2012 DNC Convention most certainly did boo God.
            And the US was established, and the Constitution written, with Judeo-Christian values and moral standards, without establishing a National Religion.

          • smilee
          • Denton Haskins

            You should have watched the demoncrapic convention,(which you evidently didn’t), but go ahead with your liberal twisted crap!!! Grow up, time is short!!!!

          • Yes, they did. It was on video.

          • Dustevietnamvet

            Do you believe in evolution Smilee?

          • Ruth Hammons

            There most certainly is discrimination against Christians…what cave do you live in? Sorry, but it is everywhere!….Look at Obama and his muslim loving evil! They are a totalitarian governmental system that wants to kill all Jews and Americans, much less if Christians or not. Wake up Smilee! Christian rights ARE the constitutional rights…yes, conservative rights and proudly so as that is what this nation was founded on and stands for! Everyone has them the same and those that cannot see that are the ones trying to change the many to accept the vial of the few. Sadly, they have no idea how foul they really are; the lefters, the liberals, and the gays, the trans, the ones that do not even know what they are…deserve pity and a doctor to get them sorted, but they have NO right to push their sicknesses on everyone..THAT IS what is wrong! they ought to go back into the ‘closets’ they were in, stop the push for what they will never have and just live and let live as they once did! To push such crap on everyone and our children is appalling and horrific! It is of satan, not of anything God brought into the world! The Liberal thought process is a sick one and one that is damaging the freedoms of all of us to do with a lot more than faith and religion but SO much more! And frankly I don’t care who agrees or doesn’t, all I know is everything is being changed or trying to for the worse, which is all wrong and evil, except for the people who see and are trying to get things right again, before it is too late.

          • smilee

            Every Christian has their freedom of religion fully in tact. No Christian is being prevented from worshiping and exercising it. So you lie. I am a Christian and I am not being discriminated against but a lot of people who call themselves Christians do a lot of discriminating themselves. Especially against Muslims these days in this country. You’re confused all religions have constitutional rights it is not exclusive to the Christian Religion. You lie to as Obama never practiced Islam he has always practiced Christianity and showed concern for all people as Jesus instructed us to. You have a very twisted sick imagination that expresses a lot of hate towards many of God’s children. It seems you want to create heaven on earth and your way is to rid us of all sinners you hate and ignore your own pile of sins. You would be well advised to examine yourself rather than express hate for all those people you despise. Remember all people are children of God and Jesus said if you hate your brother God sees that as murder. He also said take the plank out of your own eye before you focus on the speck in your neighbor’s. You have a lot of hatred build up in you. Please rid yourself of it.

          • Ruth Hammons

            If you are a Christian then it is you who need to examine the truths…..Obama was and still is satans child….read and learn!
            I tis up to the Lord how He will deal with Obama not me…it is not hate when one tells the truth. Muslims are a totalitarian governmental system of living and demand that anyone that is not like them or stands for Islam should be killed….read the Koran!!…They are satans people and VERY false prophets jsut as we were told to look for in life…those that say one thing and mean another!….I don’t hate anyone I just believe the truth and truth of God the Father; Jesus, the Son and the Holy Spirit that lives within. We are not held accountable to hold with what is wrong, evil and against what is right and good! That is not hate, it is believing the truth!
            I would be the first to admit to all the sins I have but I know that I am forgiven by a most merciful God and that Jesus died for me, for all of us and lives in my heart as does the Father and the Holy Spirit….I am not perfect or above; just forgiven of all of it. We are all rotten rage sin the eyes of God for our sin but He loves us so much that He forgives us if we ask and change to become more like Him as we are able. For some tha tis very hard but tha tis okay as long as we work at it and do what is asked of us.

          • smilee

            Liar, Obama is a Christian and there is nothing to show otherwise except racists and bigots believe he is not and those always lie. Then leave it to GOD and butt out and cease these lies. Islam is a religion and most Muslims do not have sharia law. People do not say all these nasty things about people unless they are ignorant or liars.

          • dpg01

            obama is as far from a Christian as any piece of garbage such as himself has ever been.

          • smilee

            Why do you think this lie? Seems you have been consuming garbage for a long time.

          • Paul Smith

            Nope, all we had to do was watch and listen to the man for eight years. He made it abundantly clear that his Christianity was a veneer over a true Muslim core. go listen to his speeches and pronouncements – Youtube is full of them.

          • Jan123456

            OK Paul….here are a few speeches and pronouncements. Show me the ones YOU think make it a veneer.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN05jVNBs64&t=48s

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMk-SoNuMWg

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBXFEqWDLY

          • dpg01

            These are all choreographed fakes, created on our tax dollars. Go look up “obama without teleprompter”. He is a blithering idiot. No surprises there. An evil, corrupt, racist Manchurian candidate for the ignorant masses whos only job was to cause as much harm to America as possible. Mission accomplished thanks to his useful idiot supporters. May you all rot in hell!

          • Jan123456

            Go look up “obama without teleprompter”.

            Are pauses to reflect on his words signs of a blithering idiot? At least his extemporaneous words are consistent in meaning his teleprompter words. Trump’s are not.

            There is “Rally Trump” and “Teleprompter Trump”. When he speaks for himself, without prepared remarks, Trump is about as far from presidential as a person could get.

          • smilee

            You need to get your ears checked as that is not true., But if you are a racist and a bigot you would falsely conclude that. ARE YOU?

          • Paul Smith

            Actually, it is but there is no point in arguing with you about it. In your opinion I am what you charge but that’s just your opinion.

            Obama is a stinking usurper and a closet Muslim. He is an embarrassment.

          • smilee

            It is a free country so you are free to believe any lie you like but it is still a lie, your belief cannot change the real truth. You come across as racist and my opinon is raxcists are real low lifes

          • Paul Smith

            lol. I am just devastated by your comments, devastated I tell you! {snicker}

          • Bad news frownee, he would have been disliked no matter what his race was. The main difference is that he would have been impeached if he wasn’t ‘black’. Your boy sold weapons to our enemy. I know, I know, I know, MSM told you differently, so, you can’t POSSIBLY be wrong. I wish you & those like you were smarter. If for nothing else, to watch all of you when you realize how blind, confused, used, and foolish you have been.

          • smilee

            Actually your wrong this is what his popularity really is and was. Obama won two elections and both with over 50% of the vote totals a fete only four other presidents have been able to do and they were Jackson, FDR, Eisenhower and Reagan. His popularity is in the top five, his polls at no time dropped as low as trumps have been almost the entire time he has been president and currently his ratings are near 60% something trump will never see, Your lie about all this as what you say is not true. You have been brainwashed by all that ALT right propaganda. Closed minds suffer from that disease. Trump lost the popular vote, one of five presidents to do so and he lost it by the largest margin of the five so even before he became president he was the least popular of all and remains so . Ranked number 45 in popularity. Eat your heart out loser.

          • Polls? Yeah, you’re a smart one. LOL.

          • dpg01

            Fake polls from liberal, useful idiot fake news outlets. They mean nothing and are published for you supporters of these corrupt democrats. Sad how you suck them up like mama’s milk.

          • According to you, it sounds as if any white disliking ANYTHING about a POC it HAS TO BE racism. Does this mean that any dislike of a white by a POC is racism, too? No? Why not?

          • smilee

            SPIN SPIN , that is not what I said dummy

          • You may not have said these exact words, but, it’s what you insinuated. You think that anyone who was against your boy can, ONLY, be because of ‘racism’.

          • smilee

            More spin, no I do not think that but that was true for many just not everyone. But you seem to iinsinuate that was your reason.

          • I have no idea to what your last sentence means.
            I’m finished for the night. You idiots make my brain swell and ache.

          • Jan123456

            1. He married in a Christian church
            2. His daughters were baptized in a Christian church.
            3. He publicly sang a Christian hymn in a Christian church
            4. He cited the bible in many of his speeches.

            Compare this to 45.

            1. Five kids by three different wives, at least two of whom he cheated on.
            2. Gave a speech at the National Prayer breakfast at which the word “Jesus” was not even uttered by him.
            3. Makes violation of Matthew 5:22 an art form.
            4. Lies so often it is almost impossible to track them.

            If Obama was white and had an (R) behind his name, his behavior would not have had to change one iota…you would have wanted him on Mt. Rushmore.

          • dpg01

            obozo is a self absorbed coward, a compulsive/pathological liar, an antiwhite racist, devisive, anti-American, un-American and a Marxist pig. I may have missed a few of his evil traits, but you get the idea.

          • Jan123456

            And if he was white and had an (R) behind his name, you would hale him as a hero.

            Just look at the self absorbed mega liar we have now

          • dpg01

            President Trump is trying to help all Americans. Your small minded Marxist worked to hurt all Americans. You who supported him are to blame for his success. May you all rot in hell.

          • Jan123456

            Trump is trying to help ALL Americans…you gotta be kidding.

            1. Listen to his speech (Miracle for the middle class) on tax reform. Then read ANY analysis of it. The middle class may get 1% lower taxes. However, folks like Trump will benefit in the millions with the elimination of the AMT and estate taxes – that right now only are waived for folks with estates under $5.5 million. (I sure wish I had the problem of dealing with an estate over that amount.)

            2. Trump was willing to sign ANY health care bill. He didn’t have to read it, he didn’t have to understand it…all he wanted to do is get something to sign. Never mind that all three Senate bills took medicaid away from the most vulnerable (despite Trump’s campaign promises that his plan would cover everyone and wouldn’t touch Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security.)

            3. Trump ran saying he knew the best people and that he would drain the swamp. These “best people” have often turned out to be the alligators we feared.

            4. Trump has lied so many times to us it is barely possible to keep track of all of them. For every lie you give me of Obama’s I can guarantee a minimum of three for Trump.

            Did you know no-drama-Obama is the only POTUS in decades that didn’t have to hire a personal attorney for a personal scandal?

          • What are all of these lies that Trump, supposedly, told? If someone has an opinion that differs from yours, it does not mean that it’s a lie. If someone is incorrect about something it’s not a lie, it’s an error.
            You keep following and believing the MSM and you’ll go nowhere.

          • Jan123456

            f someone has an opinion that differs from yours, it does not mean that it’s a lie. If someone is incorrect about something it’s not a lie, it’san error.

            I totally agree. Sort of like “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” Section 1251 of the PPACA specifically grandfathered all existing plans…no changes necessary.

            Let me ask you a question…is making a definitive statement about a situation that you have no evidence of truth considered a lie by you? Is making up stuff and putting out as fact a lie?

            Then I will start listing.

          • If you are referring to all of the comments that bamy-boy made before he had any facts (Trayvon Martin + other race involved incidents), I don’t consider these to be lies. It’s closer to race baiting.

          • Jan123456

            No, that’s not what I am talking about. I am talking about Trump. If he makes a statement definitively and publicly (especially one that soothes his ego) with zero evidence, do you call that a lie?

          • An opinion is not a lie. It can be disagreeable, but, this does not make it a lie.

          • Jan123456

            I understand that a difference of opinion is not a lie.

            But that’s not what I asked.

            If Trump said Obama was not born in the US and also said he was born in Hawaii..period….is one of them a lie?

          • dpg01

            I stand by my post. The damage the incompetent, corrupt obama was allowed to bring on America and the world will take many years if not many decades to repair. You are simply puking out fake news from corrupt sources against Trump and for the democrats “untouchable” magic negro. You do not know any better.

          • Jan123456

            You are simply puking out fake news from corrupt sources against Trump

            Wait a second…are you saying that Trump DIDN’T say that his healthcare plan would not touch Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security. Or are you saying that Paul Ryan was lying when he said that they had to cut Medicaid and Trump wanted the bill to pass.

            Are you saying that Trump’s National Security Advisor, his chief of Staff, his Sec of HHS, his close advisor Steve Bannon, his press secretary, two of his communications directors …these “best people” are still with him – or did not get fired or asked to resign? That’s all fake?

            No, more likely is you close your eyes and ears to any news you don’t like, call it fake and make yourself feel better.

            Trump is a self absorbed liar. He makes EVERYTHING about him and has no empathy for others.

          • dpg01

            Trump has already accomplished more to help America in 8 months while under constant attack from treasonous democrats than the clown snake who just slithered away. If President Trump just spends his 8 years reversing the damage done by obama and the rest of the evil democrats, he will be a great leader. I do not care how many people enter and leave the administration. Trump is swimming up a sewer stream of corrupt politicians of both stripes. He is also facing an ignorant mass of violent useful idiots who have a victim and welfare entitlement mentality. I wish him God’s speed.

          • Jan123456

            Trump has already accomplished more to help America in 8 months

            What exactly has he accomplished? Things like these

            1. Give heretofore code word classified information to political foe, thus betraying a close ally?
            2. Throw his National Security Advisor under the bus with a tweet hours after McMaster went in front of the media to defend Trump saying Trump didn’t give the Russians that information?
            3. Revealing on an international stage the name of that ally thus putting its citizen in danger?
            4. Broke multiple campaign promises…what was supposed to happen on “Day One”? Obamcare repealed, China declared a currency manipulator, cancel DACA, (“Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone,” he said.), get his plan to defeat ISIS in 90 days.
            5. Stood in front of the CIA wall of honor talking about HIMSELF?
            6. Made up so much nonsense and lied so much that it’s almost impossible to track it all.

            No, for some reason you have NO STANDARD for this narcissist.

          • Ruth Hammons

            Surely you gest…..the narcissist was Obumble…he could nto shut up or get out of the lime light and did absolutely nothing for us or America but push racism, Islam and muslims over Christians even stated if pushed he would side with the muslims over us!! Trump right away tried to get them out of here but NO the idiots that say they have rights here yet they are the ones that flew into the Towers, and have TOLD us they hate us and want to kill us all, that they expect us to change for them, when they are a totalitarian governmental system of evil! Good heavens wake up! They plan to take over our country for Sharia law and make us like the idiots in the black burkas and who cannot say boo or have acid thrown in their faces or beaten …is that what you want here? Didn’t think so!
            Trump has set to taking down all the evil of Obama and the ignorance of the Dems, who want socialism and One World Order for all of America…they could care less about us or the country..they only care about how much money they can steal from us to line their lives for the rest of their sorry existence!!!!! Obama amassed a vast fortune while in office and spent all he could to break us as well…in fact spent more than ANY person that sat where a President has….he and that family of his are pathetic and it is not because they are black…Obumble is only half anyway!!
            IT IS time to get back to patriotism, honoring the Flag and our service men and women, Our nation and OUR OWN first for a change as Mr. Trump is doing. He sees the nonsense that has happened keeping our borders like a sieve and letting any old Tom, Dick, Harry, Muhammad or Jose into OUR nation! There Are laws to the government to follow and the people or there is chaos, there is a Constitution to follow tha tis the best in the world and if we do nto get back to our faith in God that made us great in the first place we are toast…..Stand with Trump, stand for America and stand for the honor of our nation and stand for God before all else.

          • Jan123456

            stated if pushed he would side with the muslims over us!!

            No, he did not. I bet you never read the book and only believe what sites like Breitbart TOLD you he said. Here is the exact quote from “Audacity of Hope”.

            “In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the
            history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” (Emphasis added)

            They plan to take over our country for Sharia law

            Once again, did you get this from Breitbard? WND? Infowars? What you don’t understand is Sharia Law no more affects non-Muslims than Canon Law affects non-Catholic or Kosher Law affects non-Jews. Fear is an exceptionally effective motivator, even when it’s irrational.

            ..they only care about how much money they can steal from us to line their lives for the rest of their sorry existence!!!

            You can read the GOP/Trump tax “reform” bill and believe this is true? Repealing the estate tax and AMT sure will not help me or anyone in MY tax bracket. The plan raises the bottom tax rate and lowers it for those at the top. Just read the actual 9 page plan.

            Obama amassed a vast fortune while in office

            While in office? Really? His tax forms are on line, available to all of us. Show me where he amassed a “vast fortune while in office”. Now, afterwards? He is in high demand as a speaker and makes a very good living at it. Unlike his successor, he does not make his money by fleecing people of the money he promised them. Unlike his successor he does make the taxpayer put money in his pocket for the privilege of letting him stay at his own hotel. Unlike his successor he does not make money running a scam of a University.

            IT IS time to get back to patriotism, honoring the Flag and our service men and women,

            On this we agree. Our service men and women fought (and continue to fight) for the precepts of the US Constitution. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equal rights under the law…the flag is a symbol of those freedoms. The flag is a symbol of those beliefs. When a POTUS disrespects those freedoms and claims respect for the flag, he is self serving.

            Trump has made a mockery of the flag and the Constitution. He has caused us to lose our moral authority in the world.

            He sees the nonsense that has happened keeping our borders like a
            sieve and letting any old Tom, Dick, Harry, Muhammad or Jose into OUR
            nation!

            You believe the rhetoric and not the fact. Most of the people who are here illegally did not sneak in over the border, but overstayed legal visas.

            there is a Constitution to follow tha tis the best in the world and if
            we do nto get back to our faith in God that made us great in the first
            place we are toast

            Yes, we need to get back to our Constitution. I repeat the freedoms enumerated in the first amendment and include freedom of the press. Not in a man who claims “fake news” on anything he disagrees with – especially news that calls him out for his lies.

            Trump has showed that God is just a word to trot out when it suits his needs. At the National Prayer Breakfast this year, he did not utter the word “Jesus” even ONCE. He did deem it an appropriate forum to criticize his reality show successor. He has taken violation of Matthew 5:22 to an art form. Read Matthew 25:31-46 and tell me how your hero even comes close to the word of God.

            You just have to get out of your bubble. You are being indoctrinated by rhetoric.

          • dpg01

            I watched as obama lied, cheated, and corrupted nearly every aspect of American government for 8 miserable years. As long as the Trump administration continues to work to reverse the horrible, evil obama attack on America, I will support him. I do not care how or what President Trump does to accomplish God’s work.

          • Jan123456

            I watched as obama lied, cheated, and corrupted nearly every aspect of American government for 8 miserable years.

            Really? Tell you what. I will match your Obama examples over eight years with Trump’s over the past two. Here’s the deal though, it has to be things each has done or said that are more than things we simply disagree with. (When it comes to lies, I will give you at least three of Trump’s for every Obama lie you can give me.)

            I do not care how or what President Trump does to accomplish God’s work.

            I just wish he would start. He makes everything about himself, not about what Jesus has told us.

          • Did you fall for bamy-boys’ single tear that ran down his face. I guess, if Trump faked a tear + babbled out some ’empathy’ words you’d think he was as empathetic as your fake boy was. Hell, bamy-boy didn’t have sympathy, let alone have empathy!

          • Jan123456

            We are not talking about Obama, we are talking about Trump and his incessent need to make everything about himself.

            Why do you keep changing the subject? You evidently can’t refute a thing I say and need to move goalposts.

            Like DPG, you have no standard for Trump. He can lie and break his word, make up nonsense and its all good for you.

            Sad.

          • Ruth Hammons

            He has done more good in the few weeks he has been in ! did in 8 years of harming us!….Trump loves America and is standing for what he said…it is the fools who are against him in the government–all of the the Dems and the rhino Repubs that are keeping a lot from getting done, that he said he would do.
            Also he is finding now that he is int he governments the surprises that were hidden and that he wold not be able to jsut tell people to get things done as he is used to, that there are all the blocks and nonsense that goes on as they spend out money into oblivion for useless causes for the most part. Too busy buying off people to vote for them that keep the politicians busy and all that rubbish rather than what they were hired to do!
            President Trump is NOT one of the Old Boys…he is unique and stands for what is right for America!
            They are fit to be tied because he is outing their cronyism, corruption and foolery! He may not have a very good way of putting things sometimes as we are so used to being lied to so some are not understanding that he is used to directing Businesses and people were to do as he says. However, his heart is in the right place and he is getting all he can done! Good for him! He is just what we need; someone to shake up all of those old boys and gals who are fossil fools who need to be roused out and retired, getting some patriots in there that also love America who stand for the Constitution and what America was founded to be!…NOT the mess it has been made to be and will destroy us, if not righted!!

          • polly

            It was crocodile tears

          • True, a far as the tear being fake.
            I don’t think the tear was, actually, his. I think he got a hold of whatever actors use to help them ‘cry’. I don’t know what it’s called, but, it does exist.
            He could have gotten it from the actor who was hired to teach bamy-boy how to act like a president. The idiot had to be shown how to act! This could, also, be where he learned his annoying (OH, SO!) arm miming motions. You know, to help ‘snow’ the dummies (useful idiots).

          • Ruth Hammons

            Excuse me—–he most certainly does care……he has repeatedly stopped in the middle of something to talk with Vets, praise soldiers and give attention to children–like the one that he gave the job of wowing at the Whitehouse which was such an honor to the boy…stopped for an accident victim while going by in his motorcade and called to see how how he was at the hospital, Mr Trump has done many wonderful things for his employees over time….and that is just what I know of. He is a caring and good man, with faults just like every human, but as long as he gets the job done, gets rid of the evil Obumble left behind, kicks out the corruption, makes America safer, stronger and preserves our base of freedoms as stated in the Constitution, he can say things any way he wants to! He is the BEST to happen to the US in a long time…he is nt going to take the crap all the other s have and is nto going to degrade and kowtow to our enemies like O did….we have become mice and that is despicable for the greatest land in the world who has taken care of everyone but ourselves!

          • Jan123456

            he has repeatedly stopped in the middle of something

            That happened just a few days ago…that the cop escorting his motorcade broke his ankle. The little boy mowing the lawn was a photo op for him…and a bad one at that. The kid didn’t even notice that POTUS was there.

            Show me a “repeatedly”.

            kicks out the corruption,

            Really? Look how much of the corruption he brought in! How many of “the best people” have left his administration due to corruption and incompetence?

            preserves our base of freedoms as stated in the Constitution,

            Yeah, I would like him to allow freedom of speech instead of berating those who practice it when they don’t agree with him. I would like him to support freedom of the press instead of tweeting incessantly when they call him out for his hypocrisy and lies. I would like it if he stopped making money from foreign governments as POTUS in violation of the Constitution.

            and is nto going to degrade and kowtow to our enemies like O did.

            Oh yes he is and he has. His own intelligence community and the CIA gives him information and he tweets what he hears on Fox and Friends instead as actual fact. He gave code word top secret information to the Russians, had McMaster go in front of the press to defend him saying he didn’t, then Trump tweets that he did. Now he is not even supporting his own Secretary of State!

          • jimshaw54

            And didn’t Obama say that everyone would be covered and all would be well with our health care system after he signed the almost 7′ tall stack of gobbledy gook that was Obamacare. It was such a good plan that most Americans who were forced to use it are paying FAR more for their health care (actually all of us are) than we were told we would pay.

          • Jan123456

            And didn’t Obama say that everyone would be covered

            I think you’re confusing what Obama said with what Trump said.

            “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump told The Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
            “[They] can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better,” he said.

            Now, if you can find a similar quote from Obama, I will say “uncle”. I do know that the “it will cover everyone” was a misconception at the time the law was passed, but I am unaware that Obama himself said so.

            It was such a good plan that most Americans who were forced to use it are paying FAR more for their health care (actually all of us are) than we were told we would pay.

            The majority of Americans get their healthcare through their employer. The PPACA was not intended to be a magic bullet, but it provided protections for those with pre-existing conditions, for basic services paid at 100%. And yes, when you have a policy that does virtually nothing it will be cheaper than one that actually provides benefits.

          • smilee

            Truth does not work on here, being it is a fake news site. but thanks for trying and telling the real truth.

          • Jan123456

            I know…but I try hard to present fact and ask for evidence of the untruths so common on the right dispassionately.

            I get a certain satisfaction when people have nothing but ad hominem attacks left. That’s a real win for me.

          • smilee

            You did. They are programed all right and many delusional too. I get the same satisfaction seing their frustrations.

          • jimshaw54

            Do you know that he didn’t have to hire a personal attorney for a scandal because the media covered for him.

          • Jan123456

            No, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know the media could defend him in court.

            That’s news to me.

          • jimshaw54

            Not every person becomes so enamoured with our political leaders that they cannot see their faults and their foibles. This country would be in a whole lot better condition if more people actually took a more cynical way of looking at our president. That DOES NOT mean that we should not respect the office, just that we need to keep a close eye on the man (or, in the future, woman) who sits in the Oval Office. After all is said and done they are all politicians, and politicians are well known for not living up to what they said they would be, or what they should be — true leaders with the thought of what is best for all of the people on their minds more than what is best for their political party.

            Maybe YOU think his face should be on Mr. Rushmore, but really his only real claim to fame was that he was our first “black” president. In reality he was our first black and white, or white and black, president. He did nothing on his own that should place him on our “hero” list and definitely not on Mt. Rushmore.

          • Jan123456

            Not every person becomes so enamoured with our political leaders that they cannot see their faults and their foibles.

            I agree. Obama was wrong to put down the “red line” for Syria without a plan to follow through. Obama should have cited section 1251 of the PPACA that grandfathered existing plans instead of the simplistic “If you like your plan…”. Obama didn’t know how to deal with an opposition party dedicated from his first day in office to his failure.

            Maybe YOU think his face should be on Mr. Rushmore,

            I never said that, or anything even close to that.

            He did nothing on his own that should place him on our “hero” list

            No, he did nothing on his own. That’s the way our government works. I just wish the guy who said, “I alone can fix it.” understood that.

          • smilee

            BRAVO!!

          • smilee

            The idea we get is that you are lying!

          • dpg01

            You and your lousy liberal/marxist lot can all eat feces and die! Your opinions are of no value. Your insults have no impact other than to reinforce our awareness of your useful idiot mentality and utter ignorance of reality. Have a nice, short waste of life.

          • smilee

            You have no character and you are just another pathetic lying trump supporter and he has no character either so that is understandable.

          • WRONG!!
            What you lefty loons can’t grasp is that our dislike of bamy-boy was because of his actions, not because of his race!
            If he’d been white, he would have been impeached very quickly. Hell, he’d have never been ‘elected’ if he didn’t LOOK LIKE he was black. Those dumb ‘voters’ didn’t, even, realize that he had no idea of what they’d experienced. He was NOT one of them. He, merely, knew how stupid and gullible they were/are. They did NOT share the same experience-EVER!!!
            He didn’t like them any more than he liked whites-he hated and hates (past + present) ALL Americans. Look how much he helped the blacks!!!

          • Jan123456

            Those dumb ‘voters’ didn’t, even, realize that he had no idea of what
            they’d experienced. He was NOT one of them. He, merely, knew how stupid
            and gullible they were/are. They did NOT share the same
            experience-EVER!!!

            Trump to a T.

          • How?

          • Jan123456

            Self explanatory. but if you need help:

            A billionaire that got his start with millions of dollars from his Dad, who never had to apply for a job, who never went through TSA at an airport, who merely said that everything he does would be the best ever, who said “Nobody knew how complicated healthcare was.”, who promised to “drain the swamp” yet stocked it with worse alligators, who claimed to be a Christian, yet turned violation of Mt 5:22 into an art form,….shall I go on? This is not the experience of the average American.

            A man who is on track to spend more money on vacations (that taxpayers pay HIS company for the privilege of hosting him) in one year than his predecessor did in eight doesn’t get what the average American experiences.

            That person has no idea of what people experience, and lured the gullible with his hyperbole who believed he would set everything back to the 1950s when America was great. This was when blacks had to sit in the back of the bus and couldn’t drink out of “white only” fountains. This was when a man could legally demand sex from his wife against her will. That kind of “great”.

          • dpg01

            Most silly liberals will cry with you over this nonsensical drivel. Where do you find these silly liberal crying points? CNN and MSNBC and SNL perhaps?

          • Jan123456

            So, you can use hyperbole but you cannot refute my points.

            Trump, “. “It has not been easy for me, it has not been easy for me. And you
            know I started off in Brooklyn, my father gave me a small loan of a
            million dollars.” (And you talk about silly crying points? Poor Donny…it was hard…he only got $1 million)

            Do you know what Matthew 5:22 says? I didn’t think so..but you’ll probably look it up now.

            Are you saying that blacks didn’t have to sit in the back of the bus or had to drink from certain water fountains. You never studied history then.

          • dpg01

            I grew up in the south in the late 50’s and 60’s. I lived the real history. Yes, blacks had less opportunity. They were kept separate because history had proven that they cannot assimilate into a civilized society. Today I live in a majority black city. Blacks have not and still cannot assimilate into a civilized society. These things you speak of were not nealy as bad or happened as often as your failed education system has led you to belive. Besides, no one is suggesting we go back to the good ole days when welfare , and crime was rare and people believed in God and could say so.

          • Jan123456

            They were kept separate because history had proven that they cannot assimilate into a civilized society.
            Blacks have not and still cannot assimilate into a civilized society.

            Oh my God. Oh my God. I cannot believe you just said that. My mouth is hanging open at the pure racism of those remarks.

            May God have mercy on your soul. You will need it.

            Read Matthew 25:31-46

          • dpg01

            Oops! Your little democrat snowflake and useful idiot is showing. Seems the truth is something you are just not capable of hearing. Poor thing. Better go find a safe place to reflect back on all the lies you were told by your liberal democrat teachers and foolishly chose to believe. This concludes your truth lesson for today. Try not to cry yourself to sleep. Good night.

          • Jan123456

            Hatred is not truth.

            Tell people like Colin Powell, Condelizza Rice, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Ben Carson, Sidney Potier, Will Smith, Clarence Thomas, Adam Clayton Powell Jr, Barbara Jordan, Andrew Young, JC Watts, Elijah Cummings. Barbara Lee. Tim Scott – I could go on – that they cannot assimilate into a civilized society.

            Yes, bigoted racist hatred like you have demonstrated bothers me.

          • dpg01

            You could go on and list thousands of names of blacks who you think have become Americans in their heart and mind. Your list, regardless of size, would only represent a tiny fraction of the total who will never try to fit into a civilized culture. What you call “bigoted racist hatred” is none of these things. It is simply the truth. I understand that you have no ability to tell the difference. The problem is you have been indoctrinated by a liberal education system to accept the lies which keeps you unaware of the truth and has removed any desire to work to learn it. This creates a fabricated feeling of intellectual superiority. obama and most Marzixt/democrats suffer this same sickness. A pitiful and dangerous way to move through life. Good luck with it.

          • Jan123456

            You could go on and list thousands of names of blacks who you think have become Americans in their heart and mind.

            That’s not what you said initially…but I see your need to move the goalposts. You said, “Blacks have not and still cannot assimilate into a civilized society.”

            What you call “bigoted racist hatred” is none of these things.

            It is the VERY DEFINITION of bigoted racist hatred. You ascribe to an entire race the failings of some you have seen. That’s racism and bigotry.

          • dpg01

            I said blacks cannot assimilate in a civilized society. I could say “cobras will bite and kill you”. Do I mean every single cobra you encounter will bite and kill you? No, dumbass I do not. I could say “democrats are braindead”. Is every single democrat braindead? I don’t know, maybe. Enjoy the next 8 glorious, delicious years of Trump-ness. I know I will.

          • Jan123456

            I said blacks cannot assimilate in a civilized society.

            Exactly. You used the word “cannot”. As in “impossible”. Leaving no wiggle room.

            And I gave you many examples of those who not only can, but did. (And agreed to continue if you wanted me to.) So, yes they can. You just continue to believe your bigoted, racist rhetoric

          • We have a few choices, here.
            Jam brain Jan is an indoctrinated millennial, bamy-boy ‘voter’ (low IQ group), following the liberal practice of accusing others of what they (libs) are doing, trying to ‘fit in’ with fools, or just plain stupid. I’m sure there are more choices.
            It could, even, be the ‘all of the above’ choice. Here, we all thought that multiple choice questions were easier. Not in this case. TOO MANY legitimate possibilities!!!

          • Unfinished goals do not equal lies.His term isn’t close to being over, yet.
            Vacations?!!!? OMG, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!
            Trump spends his own money and stays at his own places (no lodging costs). Your boy spent millions of tax payers’ money on his MULTIPLE vacations.
            NOT EVERYTHING has to do with the GD wha, wha, wha ‘victims’ Wanting things to be as peaceful and as comfortable as they were in the 1950s does NOT mean that he wants blacks to, be actual victims (I’m referring to when they, truly, were victims, not the “wha, wha, wha. I be’s da victim” ‘victims’, of today), again.
            Many parents help their children get a start. They do as much as they can. Trumps’ parents could help a lot. Trump made a success out of it. Someone else might have lost it all, in the first year. He didn’t lose it. He built + increased it because he has a good business mind. This business acumen will be a GREAT asset to our country.
            Wait for the results-which take time-before you reach your opinions + conclusions. You’d seem to be much more intelligent if, ya did.

          • Jan123456

            Unfinished goals do not equal lies

            I did not bring up goals or lies in my answer to your question of “how?

            I provided detail to my claim that Trump actually was what you accused Obama of being.

            Vacations?!!!? OMG, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!! Trump spends his own money and stays at his own places (no lodging costs).

            No lodging costs? Wrong. Where did you get that? I never heard him say that nor have I seen any other source that said that.

            I am trying to stay away from MSM, so look at this one that was from his first month in office.

            http://fortune.com/2017/02/22/trump-security-mar-a-lago-cost-taxpayers/

            Costs locally for him…over and over.

            http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-pn-trump-visits-future-costs-20170711-story.html

            Your boy spent millions of tax payers’ money on his MULTIPLE vacations.

            And I repeat, Trump is on track to spend more in his first year than Obama did in eight years. Fortune said above Trump spent 10 million his first MONTH. Obama spent 87 million total….TOTAL.

            According to the GAO, a trip to Florida for Obama cost 3.6 million. Trump’s cost would be in that ballpark..each time!

            http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/680400.pdf

            Many parents help their children get a start.

            Of course they do…Trump’s “start” is way out of the experience of virtually ALL Americans, wouldn’t you agree? That was your original point, right? That Obama was out of the experience of the average American???

            The goal of a businessman is to make as much money as he can for him and his business. That’s not the goal of government.

            .

          • jimshaw54

            Read more about the pastor of the “Christian Church” he belonged to. Just because someone goes to church does NOT make him a Christian.

            If Obama was white and had an (R) behind his name he wouldn’t have done all of the things that he did, or say that if things go bad he would fall on the side of Islam. Not annexact quote, but the jist of what he said is there.

            FYI: I am not a follower of Trump, nor really any of our presidents that were in office during the time that I have been alive. All of them are mere mortals and more people would do well to remember that. They all have their flaws, some more than others, so don’t idealize them nor think you know who they actually are.

          • Jan123456

            Just because someone goes to church does NOT make him a Christian.

            I agree with you. I have had many a debate on disqus boards with people who claim to be Christians, yet when I bring up the words of Jesus (citing the gospels chapter and verse) that run counter to their points, they get angry with me and call me vile names (Mt. 5:22) complain about people on welfare (Mt 25:31-46) or gays (John 13:34). Then we have this one for those who quibble over the small stuff….Mt 22:36-40.

            say that if things go bad he would fall on the side of Islam.

            He actually never said that nor is that even the gist of what he said. I know those on the right claim so, but for the benefit of those who will never read his books. His statement was about American citizens of Pakistani and Arab descent who were concerned that they would be treated the same way Japanese Americans were during WWII. Here is the exact quote:

            “In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for
            example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and
            FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense
            of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the
            history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need
            specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something,
            that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments
            during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
            (emphasis added)

            So, no he didn’t say what your right wing friends claim. They have a habit of misquoting him and/or taking his statements out of context.

            They all have their flaws, some more than others, so don’t idealize them nor think you know who they actually are.

            Absolutely correct. Just make sure that your complaints are based on REAL failings, not made up ones. And don’t hold one person to a high standard because you dislike him, yet let his successor skate by doing much worse.

          • smilee

            BRAVO!!

          • jimshaw54

            NONE of the four things you said Obama did would tell any bible believing Christian that Obama was a Christian, because doing any or all of them are NOT the one thing that has to be done if one is to be a Christian.

            The really telling story about Obama’s beliefs is WHO his mentor was, what church he went to, and what he listened to when he was in church. By all means look up the background of the pastor of the church Obama went to for years. Remember “God Damn America”? That is just for starters.

          • Jan123456

            Black churches are somewhat different than white churches. Now, I am not a Jeremiah Wright fan, but I am not going to hold Obama responsible for Wright’s words.

          • jimshaw54

            Really!! How long would you sit and listen to that kind of rhetoric before you decided the man was anti-American. I may not hold Obama responsible for Wright’s words, but I do hold him accountable for sitting and listening to that type of rhetoric for years on end.

          • Jan123456

            Ok, so he listened to it. What did Obama do or say that makes you believe that HE is anti-American?

        • jimshaw54

          Don’t bother answering “smilee”. He/She believes that he/she is right, and no amount of proof will EVER convince her to actually learn the truth. He/She believes he/she is so knowledgeable, but proves it over and over again — see her comment re the Dem. convention.

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      • Estell Newton

        You live a very sheltered life if you think that religious freedom is not being taken away from us.

        • smilee

          Expalin how, you are still fully free to worship as you like so you lie is that allowed in your religion if you have one, Chirches galore being bulit all over.

          • Estell Newton

            Get out of your sheltered life and read the news.

          • smilee

            I have and it is not true

          • Estell Newton

            Christians are being persecuted and murdered all over the world .  Including here.  Get out of your closet and read the news.

          • smilee

            So are Muliims and Jews and others so why do you leave them out. Clearly you only read fake news.

          • Estell Newton

            Clearly you don’t realize the article is talking about Christians.

          • smilee

            Do what I said is true so what have you got against the truth.

          • Estell Newton

            You don’t know  the truth.  Christians are being persecuted and murdered all over the world.  This article is about CHRISTIANS not about non Christians.  You just don’t get it because you are a liberal with your head buried in the sand.

          • smilee

            So are Muslims, Jews and other religions you forgot about those, Not in the US are Christians subject to this as they have freedom of religion and that is protected, but there are places in the world this is happening.

          • Estell Newton

            The article is talking about religion in  the US.  We are being persecuted whether you believe it or not.  Open your eyes.

          • smilee

            No, but tell me why you think that?

          • Estell Newton

            Christians are being persecuted all over the world including here.  The media just doesn’t report it all.  You learn more by street talk than the news.

          • Dustevietnamvet

            First you can,t even spell Church and if you are a christian I would bet you do anything you want to people and think that is ok .Kind of notice your smart response.

      • Laddyboy

        smilee: you are using truth mixed in with LIES to confuse the uninformed. Read my post above.

        • smilee

          Truth is never confusing to those who know the truth, I guess that leaves you out as you clearly are confused. Read it, pure BS.

          • Tunaby

            You truly need the prayers of all that really do know what truth is.

          • smilee

            That leves you out liar!

          • kim

            You sure do not speak as one who would feel that truth is “God is love and truth.” Quite the contrary in the way you use your words smile.

          • Dustevietnamvet

            It is very easy for a real Christian .GOD said it.WE believe it .End of discussion.

          • smilee

            Counts you out as you only believe lies and God is love and truth!

          • Dustevietnamvet

            What are you one that believes that man is a god his self?That the Bible is old thinking?

          • smilee

            ?????/ you make no sense!!!

          • kim

            Reprobated and or debased mindset??

      • lostproton

        Please smilee, define the word “RELIGION” in secular language based on “ENGLISH” in the United States. Is a following defined as Islam that in their Qur’an requires the death of all infidels who refuse to accept the word of the Qur’an and live the edicts of the Qur’an, a “RELIGION”? What,smilee, do you know of Islam, of Buddhism, of Hinduism to make a determination of the validity of them as a “RELIGION”. If the Constitution protects all “RELIGIONS”; then Islamic/Muslims would have the right to demand Shariah Law in the Qur’an be applied to all laws in the United States, since your argument is that no religion should be held superior to another. Therefore whose system of laws should govern the United States? Should it be the Bible or the Islamic Qur’an, or the Buddhist Tipitaka, or the Hindu Vedas, the Upanisads, the Smrutis, the Puranas, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata; that have been around for thousands of years.

        • smilee

          The law recognizes all those as religions so what is this BS all about. sharia law is laws not religion and much of its practice is criminal in the US so what point do you think you are making? I did not say one religion could not be superior to another but under law they are not.can you understand that? the constitution is our law (supreme law) and do you really have to ask?? Your response is so stupid,

          • kim

            smilee….You seriously need to re read their quran because their religion is NOT separated from their sharia law. The sharia is the same and considered the same and included in their religion. It goes hand in hand and is not used one without the other. Do you get that?

          • smilee

            Most MUSLIM countries do not use Sharia Law so you are wrong and most Mulims do not support it either. Clearly you are out of touch.

          • Paul Smith

            Even in Muslim majority countries, tyrants still make the rules. they’d live by Sharia Law if they could.

      • Ruth Hammons

        To say that one is a Christian is NOT forcing anything on anyone but GOD himself through Jesus gave the commission to share His Word in our lives and that is not pushing a thing. It is up to you to decide to believe and if you don’t it is your own peril. We are not better than anyone, we are all sinners but we are forgiven…that is the difference. All are His children and everyone will know that when He comes back for us. Our nation was most certainly founded on Christian faith and our laws and all our papers were written with that in mind and at the core. so you are the one that is not correct. There is much proof to that fact. It is the ones that are turning against our heritage, in God and faith that are saying no one should and that is wrong because we the will never not believe. Those of us that believe will always believe and stand up for that which is the right of any American per the Constitution but more so of God himself and the Bible!! And no one with any sense would ever go against God or the Bible! Seel Him and you will find Him! I hope you do!
        PS; we, as a nation are heading for grave disaster and it is because of the lack of faith that used to be here and a part of everyday lives. This liberalism and nonsense of accepting anything anyway anyone wants is NOT what is …read the 10 Commandments! Our nation has sunk into such debauchery and immoral behavior, there is no honor or decency, no one respects the laws of our nation, we have disgusting officials and politicians and this diversity crap and politically correct rubbish has ruined our schools, colleges and even tried to ruin the military….when we have disgusting people sitting where a president should be that has no dedication to our nation, things go way off the tracks, such as the likes of the Clintons, Obamas and Carters and Johnsons and so many others!…..The best have been Reagan and Trump and we had better be grateful we have a man that loves America in the Chair so disparaged by the likes of Obama and Clinton and would have been of Hillary had gotten in. There is so much that has been trashed and I cannot s except for the fact that we have Trump fighting to get things right again! But then there are all the idiots fighting him that want communism to take over our country…that is sick and wrong; tha tis nto who we are!
        All is much worse than we used to be and will only get worse as time goes on for all of the evil that is percolating all over our nation….it is truly sickening! The rubbish our children learn in public schools that is ‘taught’ is NOT education, but IS liberal indoctrination against who we are and what is the foundation of America. Much has got to be righted again or we will fail as the greatest nation ever and become a trashy one like so many others….those that do not realize it was God’s favor and grace that allowed us to be that great nation in spite of those that are evil and think so outrageously evil. Do YOU want to be under One World Order and communism? If not, stop backing the lefters, the liberals and the Democrats as they are the horrific people who are doing just that…heading us to destruction. God Bless America again,,,,

        • Paul Smith

          “GOD himself through Jesus gave the commission to
          share His Word in our lives and that is not pushing a thing”. . .That is what YOU BELIEVE. There is zero proof for any of your beliefs or for anything in the Bible. It’s all man created and man massaged. Every time science advances, religion retreats and regroups. There is not a single written word that originates from that time period that mentions Jesus or any of his exploits and it is simple to show that every accomplishment of his was done by previous gods and goddesses including rising from the dead. People are dying today in the name of your god/priest and it has the potential to do much, much worse as it has in the past. We see you as propagandists and your religion as dangerous (like the others).

        • smilee

          To say that one is a Christian is NOT forcing anything on anyone but GOD himself through Jesus gave the commission to share His Word in our lives and that is not pushing a thing. It is up to you to decide to believe and if you don’t it is your own peril. We are not better than anyone, we are all sinners but we are forgiven…that is the difference. All are His children and everyone will know that when He comes back for us.

          I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE

          Our nation was most certainly founded on Christian faith and our laws and all our papers were written with that in mind and at the core. so you are the one that is not correct.

          THAT IS NOT TRUE AS THE CONTITUTION IS SECUALR LAW NOT BIBILICAL

          There is much proof to that fact. It is the ones that are turning against our heritage, in God and faith that are saying no one should and that is wrong because we the will neve r not believe. Those of us that believe will always believe and stand up for that which is the right of any American per the Constitution but more so of God himself and the Bible!! And no one with any sense would ever go against God or the Bible! Seel Him and you will find Him! I hope you do!

          FAITH IS BELIEF AND YOU BELIEVE THAT BUT THERE IS NO PROOF THE CONSTITUTION REFLECTS THOSE BIBLICAL DOCTRINES AND IT HAS CONFLICTS WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS SECULAR AND HAS A DIFFERENT PURPOSE

          Liberals are not the cause as you falsely chose to believe it is the sin itself and the conservatives sins contribute to that as well, at least the liberals support allowing people to exercise their free will and free will is the Greatest gift god gave us and they also believe it helping the least among us while the GOP today wants to throw all the least among us under the bus. That is against the teachings of Jesus. You have a very twisted views of our reality. Our leader crooked donny’s words to the mayor in Porto Rico last night clearly shows this. It was despicable for any human being to do and certainly not a Christian trait. Trump is a very sick man and you and those supporting his vile behaviors shows just how delusional they are. His unchristian behaviors should say volumes to you. America is great not likely is will remain that way with trump destroying it. You are one very mixed up lady.

      • kim

        That is not true that “your religious practices are protected by law as are all other religions….” The Christian’s are the ONLY ones constantly being complained about or sued for whatever others do not like. They are purposefully chosen to cause legal action against them from the gay people with the aclu behind them with all their monies and they close down Christian small businesses just because. So what you state is false!! With all the regulations from the last administration has really caused the working class small businesses and the Christian businesses and even some Churches with the IRS that targeted them some years back and not only Christians, but they targeted Conservatives only because of their morals, etc. Not sure if you stated that you are Christian or not; but we were foretold that these things would be by Christ Jesus before HE was Crucified and Resurrected. It is only going to get worse as well and now we have a large religious belief system in this country of a very different culture that will not assimilate with us and that is from their religious beliefs….not Christians. They are the ones with DEMANDS and THREATS for any one who will not be like them and that is only going to get worse as well as they GROW in NUMBERS and they are pouring into the US every day.

        • smilee

          This has nothing to do with their religion it has to do with discrimination in the public business arena and some who call themselves Christians falsely claim their religious protections are being infringed upon but this is not a first amendment issue so that claim is a lie. All you bellyache about here is the propaganda of the alt right propaganda mill and they lie and so do you in repeating it.

          • kim

            Look here “smilee”….It would be a really great idea to stop any conversation with you….kay’….Your intolerant, name calling and hateful ways are not what a conversation entails…Even if ideas are different than our own, there should at least be a common ground of mutual decency in which you are not showing me in any form…So, I sure hope that some day you can come to some true reality on the subjects that you choose to throw out here and it would help if you could stop attacking others as if you are the know all of another person in which you do not even know. You have no idea what skin color that I am and you assume way too much and seem to have your own hatred for quite a few things including Christians in whom you call liars and please look up the word ‘propaganda’ so that you will have a true definition and knowledge of what that word means before you throw it at another person in ignorance. I sure never claim to know all; But you seem to have fallen for a whole lot of propaganda from who or what ever you are following and believing in as truth. (((you would be ever so shocked to see my skin color and you might not be hating on me if you could see me as you seem to have issues and hatred for the white skin people so it would be really interesting for you to meet me with my dark skin and though i’m not a betting person; I have a feeling that you would not feel or at least act like you have hatred for me anymore…Yep…would be very interesting indeed and not only am I black…But i’m a Christian as well…So I wonder if that still makes me a liar? Sorry, but people like you confuse me which makes me wonder if perhaps you are the confused one more so.))) Here’s hoping that you can re evaluate your belief’s and stand on being intolerant, hateful, bigoted towards whites, and believing that Christians are liars.

          • smilee

            So am I a Christian and that is why I do not write all these lies like you do. That is not Christian behaviors. Why would my truth confuse you, is it because you do not understand truth? Some who profess to be Christian lie a lot, an awful lot. That is a big problem in our country today. Your ranting makes pretty clear you are confused. I know lots of Christians (not on this site)who are not confused with what I say as they understand the truth.

          • kim

            huh? Oh dear smilee….You are where the confusion is coming from and any true Christian knows better than to judge another Christian in the way you just did to me. You call me a liar and you say that i’m ranting when I’ve been trying to reach out and help you understand where another person such as myself is coming from since you seem to be very self involved. It is good that you at least have your “Christian” friends that you do not confuse and that it is only me that has the problem. At least perhaps you have some tolerance for them. Still hoping that you come to the real truth while you still have the time. I wish no ill will towards any person; not even those who dislike me or even my enemies.

          • smilee

            Who did I judge, I merely commented on their lies which is unchristian behaviors. I called you a liar as you lied that is something we can judge. You have that problem based on your own words not mine but you do not seem unaware what they mean, I am not your enemy or dislike you just your behaviors and lies.

    • Ruth Hammons

      Amen…I agree and feel the same. Who are they to disregard the faith that founded our land or to turn their backs on those who do believe! It is tearing our nation apart and that is not what will help anyone or anything as things get worse! It is time to take the stand for faith, our right to it and more than that, for Jesus and God foremost!

      • Frank B.

        I think you are distorting our founding history. Have you ever opened a history book?

      • Estell Newton

        Too bad the liberals don’t get it.  It would make it easier on everyone if they would wake up.

    • Frank B.

      Don’t you want religion “your way”? See how fucking incoherent you people are??? LOL LOL LOL!

    • Lynne Gillooly

      No one wants to take your religion away from you. The issue is to stop trying to make everyone believe what you want them to believe. We are not a Theocracy

      • Paul Smith

        Except that like all good religions, they have been ordered to go out and convert the masses by any means necessary.

        • jimshaw54

          Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          I have been a Christian for a long time and have NEVER been “ordered to go out and covert the masses BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY”. That is a blatant lie. The ONLY “religion” I know of that does that is Islam, and if you don’t convert they will make you pay a tax, or some will kill you. There may be a few other religions that will force others to convert, but I have never heard of them and I have lived a fairly long time.

          • Paul Smith

            Your religion has killed in the name of your god and is doing so to this day. Religion is dangerous.

          • jimshaw54

            Prove it by giving me book, chapter and verse the names of Christians who are killing people. I don’t mean the ones who were baptized when they were young and thus call themselves Christians, or claim to be Christians because they go to church on Christmas Eve or Easter Sunday, I mean true Jesus believing Christians who walk the walk.

            And P-L-E-A-S-E do not go back to the Crusades or Timothy McVeigh (Mr. McVeigh has been dead for quite a few years), or members of our military, or the latest mass killer. NO follower of Jesus would kill others unless he/she was in the military or mentally deranged.

      • Estell Newton

        All you liberals know how to do is lie.  Everyone knows that religious freedom is being lost so keep your lies to yourself.

        • Lynne Gillooly

          As a Christian myself I feel I am free to practice my faith and live my life as a Christian. The trick is to allow ALL different kinds of religious beliefs and no religious beliefs to exist in a secular society.

          • Estell Newton

            Not all places in America can worship as they please and it’s only going to get worse.  Wait til the 2030 agenda goes into affect.

          • Paul Smith

            No, the trick is to acknowledge that all religions are not equal and that at least one of them is incompatible with Western culture (though all want to ‘conquer everybody’). While freedom of religion is important, it has to be understood that it is but one priority. For instance, if the nation were under serious military attack, “I’m a pacifist” is not an acceptable answer. The priority is the nation, not your religion.

          • Lynne Gillooly

            Of course we should stand to protect the nation. All of us. Jew, Muslim, Christian, Agnostic, Deist etc. etc. What does that have to do with freedom to worship as we please?
            19 men attacked us on 9/11. Islam did not.

      • jimshaw54

        Really? No one wants to take your religion away from others? Ask the owners of Hobby Lobby and other business owners:

        It isn’t just the right to worship as they please that is under attack, it is forcing those who, because of their religious beliefs, do not want to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs that is at issue. That is where Christians are under attack. All of the instances that we have heard about were instances when the business people served people UNTIL they were asked to do something that was against their religious beliefs. Perhaps the most egregious one was when the owner of a store with a pharmacy was sued for not carrying the “morning after pill”, which was against his religious beliefs. In ALL of these cases the product was readily available elsewhere AND the owners of the businesses had served these same customers prior to being asked to do something that was against the owners religious beliefs.

        So far “they” haven’t taken our ability to worship as we please away from us, but they have taken the ability to abide by their religious beliefs from some Christians, and it will be a growing number if the left has it’s way. The owner of the store with the pharmacy was sue for millions of dollars, and the plaintiffs won, even though the same product could be bought elsewhere. Prescident was set and who is to say how far this will go in stopping people from living their religious beliefs. For many people Christianity isn’t about going to church on Sunday, it is about living out their beliefs.

  • mas_smarba

    I don’t know who is stupider – you or your readers who commment. It’s a tie I guess

    • chief1937

      I believe that includes you as a reader which you have to be in order to post as you did. You should feel right at home here.

  • Estoban

    The communist left is even turning to violence with their fascist Antifa, BLM and BAMN.

    • smilee

      WOW, FBI report on that was in the paper today saying the white suphemists groups are by far the worst domestic terrorists groups in the USA today bar none and they have been getting worse in the USA in recent years. Bad as they are they are nothing like the KKK of old who had the same type of mentality of ISIS today. The groups you mention do not even come close and two of the three groups you site are fighting for legit reasons the white supremacists are just the opposite fighting for illegitimate reasons! Your ignore the worst so are you a racist? .

      • Estoban

        Cite report?

        • smilee

          Do you ever do any for your self as I cannot get you my today’s newspaper you just ahve to googe it.

          • Estoban

            I search all the time for citations. Which newspaper and locality?

          • smilee

            I do to rememer which paper I read it in but found this online and it says the same so it might have been taken fom this article or the same sorce as the figures are the message is the same

            Steve Helber / AP

            The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security warned months ago that white supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” per Foreign Policy, which obtained the intelligence bulletin detailing the warning, entitled, “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence.”

            These kinds of attacks outnumber Islamist incidents by about 2 to 1, per the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute.

          • Estoban

            Yeah, that report was released back in May. FBI has a 1,000 open investigations going including white supremacists, ISIS supporters and Antifa. I hope they nail every last one and throw the book at them.

            No, are you?

          • smilee

            This was written two days ago. the over 1000 is white supremists groups only and the one I read in a differnent paper today and looked up here as it was referenced to here. .

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-investigating-1000-white-supremacist-domestic-terrorism-cases/2017/09/27/95abff24-a38b-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.d0aea033e06f

          • Estoban

            Read it again. “The FBI is conducting about 1,000 investigations of suspected white supremacists or other types of domestic
            terrorists who might be planning violence, top federal officials told Senate lawmakers Wednesday.”
            other types of domestic terrorists would include Nazis, KKK, Antifa, BAMN and BLM.

            further on it states that there are an additional 1,000 investigations into ISIS cases.

          • smilee

            They have not mentioned BLM and I do not know about BAMA, they are keeping tabs on Antifa because they have a military style to them but as yet not murdered anyone as the white supremacists groups have of which there is no question they are terrorists groups and have a long history of it. None are deemed as concerning as the white supremacists groups.

            ISIS are considered foreign terrorists and not included in the 1000 plus, white supremacist groups far out number ISIS terrorists acts on our soil.

          • Estoban

            As long as the FBI takes them ALL down, I’m in approval.

          • kim

            Washington Post is politically bias with the propaganda communistic lies in which are getting so see thru and old. Where are the real Journalists? We probably have only a handful of REAL Journalist these of days that carry any salt. They all seem to be given over to their reprobated and or debased mindset.

          • joe

            Hey dude, you’ve got to be shitting us all!!!! You say whitey’s killed 49 people from 2000-2016… As far as “Domestic Terrorism” what about just the Chicago Gangster ( mostly Black on Black ) dipshits that are killing hundreds and hundreds a year? David PUKE and anyone like him needs to be shut down/lights out, but I would say your so called Article about “White Supremacist”, fuck heads that they are, pales in comparison to the “Domestic Terrorism” being perpetrated in Obamas home town while Rham-adahm-dahm-dahm sits back and watches! It is at least a much more serious issue based on the numerical statistics you just sighted.
            KKK, White Supremacists are fucktards for sure, but seriously, not even close to the number of just the black on black murders taking place in just one city alone.

          • smilee

            What you call terrorism is not classified as acts of terror even though they are murder as very few murders are acts of terror so that is not applicable to it and nothing but your spin on it, The experts who understand this call your statements lies. Not to confused, hell you are totally confused.

          • joe

            Ok genius, explain that to the people who live in those inner city neighborhoods! Uh, gee folks, how come you’re afraid to walk down the street in you’re own neighborhood? Surely you’re not terrified? Surely it’s not because you’ve had bullets whistle through your living room from drive bys? Surely it’s not because you’ve lost innocent family members to random gunfire?
            I’d say that shit should qualify!
            Also, 2000-2016 would include 911. 2000+ murdered, 6000+ injured, $1 billion+ in damages! Does that qualify!
            Point is, Whitey KKK supremacists are all but irrelevant flyshits being such a tiny crumb of an issue in the grand scheme of America’s problems but dumbfuck race baiters keep trying to make them out to be this big huge issue that America needs to grapple with. What a joke!!
            And you’re a dipshit.

          • smilee

            This is about the FBI definition of domestic terrorism not yours. Not going to respond further to your stupid BS.

      • kim

        Please cite report. And of course, you mean the FBI….Oh my….The FBI…..The CORRUPT FBI is what your banking truth from…..ummm…okay.

  • Babsan

    Democrats/Communists only want Islam here in America.In Europe Socialism killed Christian religions and now ripe for Islam.Here the Democrat voters are too stupid to realize what the outcome will be when Islam takes over

    • Kenneth Jones

      There is a very thin line between Islam, which means “submit,” and the Islam dominated and infected by the terrorists. So therefore, how are we supposed to tell the difference? Do we accept the words and apologies of the so-called moderates among them…..their imams who don’t preach violence, or those whose sermons are loaded with hatred of Jews and Christians alike? We Christians and Jews are called “people of the Book,” but what does that really mean? Are we equal in the eyes of practicing Muslims, yet somehow inferior to them?

      Those questions have never been answered in terms that we can accept, and they probably never will be. Therefore, we MUST always be suspicious of their true intent by keeping our guard up.

    • Lynne Gillooly

      Can you name 1 Democrat that wants Islam to take over this country? As a Christian reading these articles and posts it is ridiculous to believe we are under attack or cannot worship as we please. The problem with the Christian right is they want our country to be all Christian. Many would be happy with a Christian Theocracy. Thankfully the Founders realized what a mistake that would have been.

      • Sgt. York

        BHO the fiercest leader of Islam disguised as liberal Devilcrats.

        • Lynne Gillooly

          Typical ignorant and childish reply

          • Sgt. York

            So sorry that the truth hurts you but he was never a Christian or he would of never in his book stated if things were to get bad he would return to the Islamic religion or Muslim.

      • Babsan

        Yes,our former Muslim Fraud told the American people that he would side with Islam if the “winds changed” The Queen of Corruption loves the Arabs,Money,money,Money and Slick Willie is a kiss ass Muslim lover too for “money”.I would venture to say that most if not all Democrats/Communists allow Islam.Look at the Democrat ruined states that now are no go zones

      • jimshaw54

        Barack Hussein Obama.

        • Statesman Patriot

          Broken Insane Ovomit

      • jimshaw54

        Pray tell what is “the Christian right”, and how are Christians who are conservative different than other Christians. Are you saying that they are wrong? Christians who do not vote Democrat, which I assume you are by what you wrote, are no different from other people. The difference is some of them have educated themselves to know that a percentage of Muslims are set on killing as many people, especially Christians, as they can and their goal is to take over the entire world.

        Since you are a Christian I suggest you go on line to: Calvaryphx.com, then look for sermons or speakers, then look for Al Fadi who is a former Muslim and knows first hand what he is talking about. Spend time listening to Mr. Fadi (not his real name) talk about Islam from it founding up to the present. In order to take it all in you may have to either listen very carefully, or listen to segments over again.

        As Mr. Fadi said, muslims are victims of an ideology, either because they have radical views of their religion that says they can kill; or they are victims of an ideology that does not give them the freedom to leave Islam if they no longer believe in the teaching of Muhammed and his followers. If they dare to leave Islam they will usually lose everything from their children to their families and friends and, often enough, their lives.

        Having said all of the above, it is unfair to treat ALL Muslims like they are out to kill us. But it IS fair to say that a percentage of Muslims (said to be 10% to 20% who are radical and will kill when possible) are out to kill us, or as many people as possible, or force us to submit to Islam.

        • Lynne Gillooly

          I am sure there are some Muslims that want to kill us. We have invaded several of their countries. If we were invaded I am sure we would hate the invaders. This is not the issue discussed in the article though.
          The Christian right is claiming that the left is attacking the rights of Christians. I am a Christian but I realize we live in a secular society and not a Theocracy. We claim that we have the freedom to worship whomever we want or not at all. Evangelicals need to accept that. They can worship as they please, but leave others free to do the same.

          • jimshaw54

            It isn’t just the right to worship as they please that is under attack, it is forcing those who, because of their religious beliefs, do not want to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs that is at issue. That is where Christians are under attack. All of the instances that we have heard about were instances when the business people served others UNTIL they were asked to do something that was against their religious beliefs. Perhaps the most egregious one was when the owner of a store with a pharmacy was sued for not carrying the “morning after pill”, which was against his religious beliefs. In ALL of these cases the product was readily available elsewhere AND the owners of the businesses had served these same customers prior to being asked to do something that was against the owners religious beliefs.

      • jimshaw54

        Oh, sure, a Democrat that wants Islam to take over this country is going to stand up and tell the world that they want Islam to take over the USA!! There are several Muslims Obama appointed that I am willing to bet that deep down their intent is to help make this country into an Islamic nation.

        Would it be a bad thing if our entire country was Christian? Many of the problems we have today are perpetrated by non-Christians; and few of the bad things that are done are done by practicing Christians (as opposed to CINO’s “Christian in name only”). And what Christians are FORCING their faith onto others? What Christian has killed and then yelled “Jesus is Great”, or “God is Good”?

        Most of our Founding Fathers, who gave us this freedom, were Christians who wrote: We are endowed by our Creator with these inalianable rights……!!!

        If you want to lay blame, then blame the father of all lies. If you don’t know who that is I suggest you look it up.

  • jdbixii

    “Freedom of religion” has come to mean “equal acceptance” of ALL religious faiths in the context of American society.
    It should be remembered that the amendment begins, “Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
    I have always considered that the meaning of this amendment, specifically, is this; The congress of the United States was, and is, prohibited from establishing a State Religion, as an official religion of the United States, specifically, such as the Episcopal or Anglican Church is the official, state religion of the United Kingdom, or Catholicism is the official, state religion of the Vatican or Italy, and, that congress is prohibited from making laws which infringe on the free exercise or expression of religion.
    Without a realistic, proper understanding of and perspective on the context of American, colonial society in the 18th century and the principal sources which influenced the thinking of those who wrote our founding documents, the extent to which contemporary, American society is divergent from what the founders intended explains the partisan-political divisiveness of the government. Arguably, what the country has lacked for much of its history is consensus, fundamental unity over many issues, including meaning.

    A fundamental presupposition of religious faith is “intrinsic truth.” Truth is controversial to the extent that it can not be proved to the satisfaction of those who demand proof. Presumably, the difference between “fake news” and “true news” is the falseness of “fake news.” Also, presumably, there is a purpose behind the promulgation of “fake news.” If there is a market for lies, that is, they sell, the motivation for “fake news” is that it sells, regardless of whether it is recognized as “false.” It fulfills the economic needs of the seller. Is there a constitutionally-protected right, under freedom of religion or freedom of speech or expression, to perpetrate lies, as a freedom or as a means of making a living? If and since religions
    connect back to origins, specifically, to God, (of one name or another), it is the explanation of why all that exists is, why human nature is what it is and what God (and belief in God) has done and can do about it. To the extent that religions answer these questions about the existence of the universe, of humanity and human nature, satisfactorily (the truth derived from experience), without being in disagreement or contradiction, their adherents can coexist, submitting themselves to “every ordinance of man.” When religions are in serious disagreement and contradiction over, particularly, the revealed will of God, then separation is a logical necessity to prevent the violation of the opposing rights of the adherents to the different religions.

    To the extent that “Jihad” is a fundamental part of the Islamic faith, it is incompatible with the intent of the permissiveness of the “free exercise of religion.” The purpose of the “free exercise of religion” can not be viewed as incidental terrorism and the annihilation of the descendants of those who wrote the Constitution.

    The Preamble states the purposes for which the Constitution, the law of the land, was written. There are key words in the Preamble which reveal the purposeful intention and intended purpose for the law. “In order to…” is the phrase which specifies “why.” The first purpose is “to form a more perfect union.” Union is not possible when order is not maintained. The second purpose is (to) “establish justice.” Justice is the non-violation of it. The third purpose is to “insure domestic Tranquility.” This is the maintenance of the peace within our borders (law enforcement as public policy, police, peace and security officers). The fourth is to “provide for the common defence.” This refers to the mutual defense of the states of the Union, the United States by military forces. The fifth is to “promote the general Welfare.” If there is a liberal aspect to the purposes enumerated in the Preamble, this is it. The last purpose is to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.” This states what the purpose of government is, perceiving liberty to be a blessing.
    Those who oppose liberty should be excluded from the United States and, specifically, discriminated against, on the basis of the law, since they are a threat to our institutions and every purpose enumerated in the Preamble.

    • smilee

      YOU SAY: “Freedom of religion” has come to mean “equal acceptance” of ALL religious faiths in the context of American society.”

      We have many more religions today that has changed things but not the constitution or its meaning despite changes in culture does not mean freedom religion has changed merely extended to more religions as written and clearly you do not respect some of them or their freedom of religion. Courts have made this very clear. They wrote the constitution for perpetuity not just the 18th century and provided article V so all future generations could change any of it as they saw fit to. This has been amended 27 times by adding to or changing what was with one exception it took away an amendment. Clearly they never intended for anyone to hold to their thinking and the words they made law are clear on that fact.

      “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the e, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

      It is all equally purposeful as it does not say one item takes priority over another. It also means that was its intent even though they knew at the time it could not be fully realized and history since has proven them correct. As future generations have done as much fulfill it further than they were able to at the time or even wanted to but they made it possible for those after them to complete this preamble which was and still is a work in progress.

      • kim

        No way is it “a work in progress” to the extent of and for the enemies of the United States and the communistic use of turning our own Law against us in order to take this Country for themselves and that is for the elite and NOT the people. They incite riots and have pitted the people against one another in ignorance as the people think that they are fighting a good fight when in fact they are only doing the dirty work of those who have infiltrated and are in the process of trying to take away and change the very Foundation of the USA and the Freedoms it stands for as if their evil plan comes to complete fruition then it will NOT benefit those who are being used to help these evil elite reach their evil goal. That’s right….their destruction which you refer to as “this preamble which was and STILL IS A WORK IN PROGRESS” is exactly that….their progress is to the detriment and destruction of the United States and her people as a whole….The only ones to prosper and that would benefit would be the evil elite and that’s a FACT. This WILL NOT come to their fruition fully however!!!

        • smilee

          It is a work in progress and the founders knew it was and thus they included article V so future generations would have the opportunity to further a more perfect union and since then we have. On day one the only people whose rights were protected was white rich men. Poor white men, all women and all black people were not included in “WE the People” of the culture of the day and not then afforded any constitutional protections and over time much has progressed to include all them and today few are not included. After the civil war they added the 13th 14th and 15th amendments which was a huge work in progress in law but in cultural practices it has taken years and years to enforce them. Your confusion and ignorance and seems hatreds blind to our reality, Not prefect but much more perfect than in 1789 as the founders hoped for which they expressed in the Preamble of the Constitution so our history proves it has been a work in progress that yo liars deny.

          • kim

            How in the world do you conclude in a conversation about political party affiliation and the US Constitution to be about race and hatred? Where did that even come into this conversation and NO I am NOT with “being a bigot” and or filled with “hatred” for any human being….thanks for the slander there….geeez. Where and why can there not be a conversation on Legal Law’s and the U.S. Constitution without one person spewing out that the other is “racist” and a “hater”???? People like you that end up adding out of the blue the words of race and hate when there were none are the problem that this Nation faces to our detriment. It would be different if we were talking about race and hate….BUT we were NOT and people like you are UNFAIR and DELUSIONAL and seemingly only looking to argue and NOT to have any human dialog unless you are speaking with your own race evidently as you have assumed that I am not of your race therefore you have made me out to be racist and with hate. Your mind must have been given over to be reprobated and or debased and the heart you show is truly waxed cold.

    • Kenneth Jones

      Well written, and thank you!

  • Larry Brule

    THE MUSLIM, OBUMA, AT WORK. HIS LAST 4 YEARS WERE THE WORST!

    • smilee

      So deluded you are, lies come easy to you?

  • Larry Brule

    WHERE, JUST SHOW ME IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE IT SAYS FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. IT SAYS FREEDOM OF RELIGION, NOT FREEDOM. STICK THAT UP YOURS, COMMIE LIBS.

    • smilee

      Freedom of religion means you can also choose to be free from or have none or any oneother than a Christian religion. You also cannot use your religion to deny any person their rights under the constituion and that is what freedom of religion.is. By your post it does sound as if you follow any.

    • White, and Proud

      It doesn’t say that, but if the Democrat and Liberals had their way we wouldn’t have any of the Beautiful Legal Writings of Papers that makes this country unique and the Greatest country in the world. No Constitution no Declaration of Independence and no amendments America would be Lawless and our founding forefathers the Butt of their jokes. They are already trying to get rid of Washington and Jefferson who next.

  • Paul Smith

    Islam is rewriting the rules on what religious freedom means and are using the 1st Amendment to destroy us from within. You’d best get your priorities straight.

  • GuardianFlame

    Actually, I think libs have a CONTROVERSIAL NEED to support those of bizarre and immoral beliefs. Without having a group of MISFITS to push on our Society, libs would go mad circling in their own minds.

    Anything Libs dream up comes from the bowels of Hell. They are not intellectuals (accept in their own minds — and some with a line of expertise) but blowhearts that try to force their perverted way of thinking onto a moral people. Well, it is getting old and people are DONE with the liberal B.S.

    From the outcome and anger of an usually quiet and accepting public over the latest dumb move against our National Flag, the NFL has cut its own throat. Funding is disappearing left and right, season tickets refunded or torn up and thrown away! Kapernicke has been blacklisted and his career dumped.

    How much more has to happen to the Left for them to realize they are outnumbered and in the wrong? They ARE NOT VERY SMART PEOPLE, MASOCHISTS FOR SURE, TO KEEP DOING STUPID ACTIONS AND PISSING OFF THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA! Stupid is as Stupid does.

    Keep facing these lunatics down Americans!
    Keep fighting their pathetic “racist” answers with real facts!
    Keep showing these confused demanding lib children that it takes a mature adult to see real truths!
    Keep showing Americans ARE PROUD OF OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR MILITARY!
    AND, KEEP standing firm for our Nation’s Foundations and laws!

    America is a GREAT place to live but you must respect our way of life, the military who gave us that choice and our symbol of FREEDOM! If you can’t do that – GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!

  • Carol

    Why is islame given religious freedom? Since their book calls for murder and mayhem against anyone that doesn’t believe .Since this country has LAWS against their carrying out their books edicts. Better enforce the LAW. If they’re not happy they’ll leave, if we’re lucky.

  • kassa1

    This is one prime example of the hypocrisy of the communist left, as they portray a woman’s right, to murder an unborn child with a heartbeat, and the right for a Muslim to go to prayer meetings five times a day , Or where Beaucher’s on drivers license is and the litany goes on and they attack a poor mom-and-pop bakery that owns their own bakery the government has no vested interest in and they want to tell them that they got to go and get sued because they wouldn’t bake a cake for what they didn’t believe him what happened to their freedom of choice?

  • Laddyboy

    I agree that FREEDOM of RELIGION MUST be protected.
    One exception, is when One’s “religion” gives you the right to attack an innocent because of:
    their style of dress,
    their religion is not “my” “religion”,
    their “religion” gives “them” the right to enslave others,
    their “religion” gives “them” the right to rape others,
    their “religion” disturbs the neighborhood five times a day,
    their “religion” requires “them” to cut the throat of non-believers,
    their “religious example” killed over 600 non-believers,
    their “religious example” married 13 women – one being a 6 year old child,
    ETC., ETC, ETC..
    .
    Basically saying; When your actions of freedom adversely affect another person’s freedoms – YOUR freedom ceases to exist. You have now become a terrorist. Thus you should be treated as such.

    • Antone Cafe

      The first freedom came from avoiding government endorsements and enforcement of an individual sect or denomination of Christian faith. It was not designed with Islam in mind as judeo-Christian “laws” regardless of denomination include though shall not murder.

      Islam cannot be given cover for its godlessness.

      • Laddyboy

        Antone Cafe: Oh contraire, islam has a “god”. It reposes in Mecca in the corner of a square black shack so every good muslem can touch it. It is an IDOL of “black stone” that “fell from the heavens”. I just wish more muslems would recognize they worship a “black stone” and a FALSE PROFIT and “war lord” who hated everyone that disagreed with him.

        • Antone Cafe

          So true.

      • Paul Smith

        ‘Don’t kill people’ predates the New Testament by thousands and thousands of years. There is nothing original or even moral about that pronouncement, it is simply common sense.

        • Antone Cafe

          Never said New Testiment. I was siting Torah.

          • Paul Smith

            Fine, cite the Torah, it doesn’t change the fact that there are no new moral revelations in that book than there are in any other whether secular or religious. Morals are established by society.

          • Antone Cafe

            OK paul believe what you wish. You have your right to be wrong. I’ll respect your error.

            Good day!

        • Antone Cafe

          Explain common sense to Planned Parenthood.

        • Antone Cafe

          Torah not New Testament! Yes it goes back 6,000 years to the first man to say “am I my brothers keeper”. Keep reading older documents and you’ll get it.

          Only common sense if your conscience has not been seared like so many reprobate leftists today.

          • Paul Smith

            We were talking about Jesus’ words and the fact that everything including virgin birth and resurrection preceded him by hundreds if not thousands of years. He was a johnny-come-lately copycat – you would think god could be a bit more original.

  • dpg01

    After 8 years of the most anti-God, anti-American obama and his clown car full of like-minded criminals, the low life anti religious feel empowered to violence. Why would’nt they.

  • James Langham

    The problem is, dominionists want a theocracy like Islam has.

  • CUZIN ERN

    Get smart, don’t be a dump fart any more! That leftie crapola belongs only in their living room!

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  • robert sanders

    PUT A GUN TO THERE HEAD AND WATCH HOW FAST THEY BECOME RELIGIOUS.

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