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Time For Blacks To Leave Democrats Behind

If there’s one demographic Democrats never have to worry about, it’s African-Americans. The black vote has traditionally gone to Democrats in a landslide, and the man at the top of the ticket seldom makes a difference. 95 percent of black voters pulled the lever for Obama in 2008, of course, but that’s only slightly more than the 91 percent that voted for Walter Mondale in 1984. Blacks vote Democrat; it’s that simple.

The question is: why?

With an established pattern of voting going back decades, one would think that Democrats would have, by now, done something positive for their number-one constituents. But one look at the record shows that this isn’t the case. Black unemployment is still out of control, the nation’s schools are failing black children in almost every conceivable area, and blacks still struggle mightily with crime, poverty, and incarceration. Even with a black man in the White House, nothing has changed.

Democrats Have Their Own Interests

It’s time for black voters to take a close look at their allegiance to the Democratic Party. President Obama’s decision to provide amnesty to roughly 5 million illegal aliens should give any black voter pause. How does this move serve the black community? When black people are already suffering from scarce job opportunities, how will an influx of newly-legal workers affect their prospects of solving the unemployment problem?

While Democrats have not always enjoyed power on the national stage, they have presided over most of the country’s minority-rich cities for the last fifty years. Their leadership must therefore be called into question when we see the state of things in New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and other cities where violence, drugs, and gang warfare have ruined once-great communities. Their policies have failed, full-stop. And now that they have cemented themselves as the party of black voters, Democrats can turn their attention towards shoring up the Hispanic vote as well. If history is any indication, illegal immigrants would be better off jumping back over the fence than submitting to Democrat rule.

Other than illegals themselves, no one wants to see deferred deportations more than the businesses that take advantage of them. By paying undocumented workers less than the minimum wage, these businesses are able to exploit human labor in an unsavory and unethical way. At the same time, they shut the doors of employment to lower-skilled, entry-level workers, many of whom are black. In catering to illegals, the Democrats have essentially chosen big business over lower-middle class individuals. There is no way to square this with their supposed ideological aims, but it fits perfectly in with their actual goals.

Democrats don’t want an educated, successful generation of African-Americans (or any minority, for that matter). When people realize their capacity for independence, they begin to resent those who haven’t. They begin to see how these dependency programs have the opposite of their intended effect. They begin to question why so much of their paycheck is going to people who don’t care to work for one of their own. And they begin to vote Republican.

When your party’s existence is contingent on a permanent underclass, there is a conflict of interest. Once black voters see this conflict, the game is up for Democrats. It’s just a matter of when.


  • Sue4477

    The big question is HOW. How do blacks get this message? I doubt many will read this article.
    Any suggestions on who will explain this to blacks? Some pastors & thoughtful blacks get it, but that’s not nearly enough people to make a significant change.

    • bygeorge

      Yes indeed. Google “Frederick Douglas Republicans” a site in Alabama run by K. Carl Smith that will change minds instantly.

      • Sue4477

        Thank you, I will.

      • Stan Hoffman

        bygeorge, I went to the site you suggested. It was very good. Thanks for the insight.

      • hoss50cal

        that was a great site bygeorge thanks

      • Sue4477

        Excellent reading! I like this viewpoint. I’m glad this group is around. Thank you.

      • rwsmetros

        Very good site!

      • mtman2

        These are great Americans and bare the tip of the spear of truth ~!

    • Glenn Jacobs

      Verily it hath been said by them of old time, “Every member of every mob that ever lynched a Negro — was a Democrat.”

      The real racist outfit in this country is the one that organizes to keep minorities down as second-class citizens.

      That’d be the Democrats.

      • Michael Dennewitz

        How long did it take you to figure this out Glenn?? ROFLFAO

        • Glenn Jacobs

          I didn’t. I shamelessly pirated someone elses’ saying that I heard about sixty years ago — and it was old even then.

          I would think by now the word about Democrats and lynch mobs would’ve gotten around — but obviously it hasn’t.

          • mtman2

            They’re lynching American Christian in the marketplace as WE speak.
            All while allowing 10’s of thousands of Christians in northern Iraq to be raped, murdered+sold ~!

      • Maria castro

        and killed to feed on their blood. They need “supposed” victims to survive liberalism.

      • jjames60

        Yet the blacks blame everybody else instead of looking at the real individuals who do keep them suppressed and buried in welfare and ect.
        They also have to take responsibility for their own issues also, but politically the dems are the enemy.

        • vocal local

          I have to agree. Biden wrote the Patriot Act but Bushy baby passed it with an expiration date that our congress fails to allow to expire and instead allows to entrap. In the end, both parties have in reality become the common mans enemy.

          • rwsmetros

            Obama could have stopped but instead he expanded it! Obama puts Bush in the bushes when it comes to spying and the public rights!

          • vocal local

            I don’t think you have your facts straight. Congress and the Senate created the renewal bills and passed them with numbers high enough to nullify any veto Obama may have implemented. Your blowing smoke blaming Obama with your obviously incorrect conclusion that Obama put Bush in the brushes/weeds. Explore both the House and Senate votes and modifications and note the majority of each and I’m quite sure you will be forced to retract your false posting.

          • rwsmetros

            First of all facts being facts Congress is made up of the House and the Senate. Second the president does not make laws that is up to Congress. What is now called the USA Patriots Act is a compilation of several acts including the FISA 1978, the ECPA 1986, the BSA 1986 and many other acts that go back as far as 1940. After 911 the House voted for it 357 to 66 and the Senate voted 98 to 1. Congress delivered it to Bush and he signed it. Written into the Patriot act is a sunset clause which came up in 2005 and again in 2011. Both Bush and Obama signed sunset renewals and added more. I would suggest you look at this sight “http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2013/4024obm_spy_dragnet_chron.html” or any other you wish. Now as far as in the weeds goes read a newspaper or whatever you want and discover the wire tapping and information that Obama has gathered including the abuses he has used the IRS for!

          • vocal local

            Your understanding is correct until you write:” Both Bush and Obama signed sunset renewals and added more”. And added more is incorrect. Congress in the renewals added and deleted. President Obama did not add more. He did not veto the revision/renewals he signed them as composed by congress. Your conclusion therefore is incorrect. Back to Reality.

          • rwsmetros

            The following is reality;

            2012: Massive Expansion of Surveillance

            In April, the New York Times reported that the NSA was still engaged in intercepting purely domestic communications, beyond the limits set by Congress.

            That same month, NSA whistleblower William Binney said that surveillance had
            increased under Obama, and that the NSA’s data-mining program has
            become so vast that the government has assembled 20 trillion
            transactions of U.S. citizens with other U.S. citizens, including phone
            calls, e-mails, credit card purchases, and Internet searches.

            In June, at the insistence of Obama and the intelligence agencies,
            Congress passed a five-year extension of the 2008 FISA Amendments Act.
            Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall warned of “a loophole
            in the law that could allow the government to effectively conduct
            warrantless searches for Americans’ communications”

            The president suggests potential legislation and it is voted on in the two houses of congress. I am not defending anything that “W” did, only stating what happened on Obama’s watch. Back to reality my friend!

          • mtman2

            From bad to worse~!!! RINO’s to the Far-Left(Statists).
            So what then if WE don’t awaken the “silent+moral-majority” aka “THE SLEEPING GIANT” in time……

          • vocal local

            Congress provided the loophole, not Obama. He signed as a veto would have been ineffective. President Obama did nominate Michael Vickers as head of NSA. His appointment was approved by the Dem Senate. Blame him, his ties to the CIA, the sheeple of America that tolerate this BS. Dems, Republicans are all in bed and we pay them big bucks to invade our privacy and reduce our quality of life.

          • rwsmetros

            You are going in circles! You said; “I have to agree. Biden wrote the Patriot Act but Bushy baby passed it
            with an expiration date that our congress fails to allow to expire and
            instead allows to entrap. In the end, both parties have in reality
            become the common mans enemy.”

            Which is it does the president’s signature mean anything. Just saying that Obama only signed because he was out voted in congress doesn’t make it true if he didn’t like it, he would not have signed and he would be over ruled but would have shown his disapproval!

            As I said above, I am not defending George Bush, however I am pointing out that Obama is just as bad if not worse than “W”! In fact when the numbers have been over 20 trillion I think Obama takes the cake!

            I am in agreement that the US Patriot Act needs to be toned down, but I can’t argue the point when we have not been attacked in the homeland since 911.

          • vocal local

            You are correct, had President Obama not signed the revision/renewal of the Patriot Act it would have evidenced his disapproval. However, until a new Act is signed the old remains in force so six of one half dozen of the other. The Patriot Act needs to be retired it impinges on our constitution, freedom and rights. I’m not on board with 9/11 my gut is 9/11 was someone in our governments creation to create fear and control via a law such as the Patriot Act. Remember Biden wrote the act prior to the Oklahoma FBI bombing which I also view as suspicious. The FBI has a history of using citizen’s to break the law: Entrapment. Read the history starting with the bombing of the plane in Europe that lead to airlines providing security, the legal cases that lead up to it. Do you really believe TSA protects air travel? Today one can still easily board a plane with a bomb. The agents are simply an unnecessary scare tactic. A force of 60,000 government employees trained in search and seizure with Emergency Classification meaning they can be activated and moved to points of need. To the tune of 7 billion per year. An obnoxious inconvenience and expense to air travelers. Move them out of the airports and put them on border patrol where they may be effective. The employee’s are mostly low level intelligence brain washed with on-going mandatory computerized training. (psyc-ops) Very few blacks, lots of Mexicans and foreign nationals. Persons, who bend over to keep their jobs.

          • rwsmetros

            I agree with most of what you said including boarder agents! I have read almost all conspiracy articles about 911 including Spare Change and am not convinced our govt. could hide the fact without a whistle blower spilling their guts!

          • omegaman

            HUH?????????????????

          • mtman2

            In the name of “public-safety” -and all for us American sheeple ~!

        • Joy Ocampo

          Issues that being always used as scapegoats ?

    • jjames60

      I guess you have to deprogram all of them. They are like robots for this party and it is natural to vote for them instead of seeing the real issues going on.
      Maybe eventually they will see how OB has been their enemy all along and start seeing the light and vote for another party.

      • vocal local

        You too need to get off your pedestal and be de-programmed.This is not about President Obama, it’s all about the the DOJ, FBI and The Patriot Act which is destroying America. Refresh yourself on Kent State. In Kent State, the guard was indicted but all charges were dismissed. Wrongful deaths suits paid off the parents of the dead students. At Kent state there was a part time student acting as an informant to the FBI who may have fired the first shot. He was in the crowd and was armed. The guard was exonerated because they were following orders. Here the cop was also following procedures he was taught at the academy. Ferguson becomes the precedent in all future cases. Although race was the outstanding issue it’s really not about race at all its all economics and control. Protests don’t work. When did protests last result in any action? The courts don’t work or the prosecutor would have been removed. Oppression against government tyranny only works when violence is employed.

        • omegaman

          vocal local — Why don’t you stand in front of the first shot of the next revolution.

      • Sue4477

        Maybe, but obama & holder and jackson & sharpton have all been egging the violence on, encouraging racial divisions. All everyday people involved are the puppets of obama’s campaign to set American against American any way he can. Divide & conquer. We need to unify, despite our disagreements, for the time it takes to address the greatest evil and rid our country of obama & cohorts, all Muslims and communists in Congress, & illegal aliens with no intention of following the procedure for becoming citizens….and NO criminal aliens, period. THEN, when we are out of danger of takeover by Muslims or Communists, etc,. we can go back to ironing out unfairness to anyone and equality for everyone.

    • vocal local

      I don’t agree Sue. The big question is why 80% of Americans, black, white or green fail understand what just happened in Ferguson. The powers that be depended on whitey’s prejudice to approve the verdict. We have just granted the police the right to kill our kids and freed them from any indictment. I’m sorry, I don’t see the republicans or the democrats, our millionaire self serving congress doing much to help any of the working class all they seem to worry about is increasing the profits for the rich bitch.

      • Stan Hoffman

        vocal local, you need to learn right from wrong, then you will understand. Until then, your view is tainted.

        • vocal local

          Who needs to learn right from wrong? Tell me, why did Eric Holder resign right after he appeared in Ferguson? Ferguson is not the core. It’s a 60% black, suburb of working class Americans raising families hard hit by the depression were living. The kid graduated from HS. I don’t condone his behaviors but it did not warrant the cop leaving his vehicle and placing two head shots killing someones kid that was high on pot acting the fool. A cop that showed no remorse that clearly stated he would have done the same regardless of race as it was his trained duty and could have been fired had he not?

          • Stan Hoffman

            vocal local, come the final day of judgment you will learn right from wrong, but if you refuse God’s gift of salvation through Jesus Christ until then, it will be to late for you. And you better get it through your head, reject God and you will find yourself turned over to the Devil for destruction. So stuff all your crying about what you think is just and unjust. You meet the destruction of Satan its because you rejected God. Nothing in this world is fair because its Satan’s Kingdom right now. God’s Kingdom is yet to come. Mans own wisdom is foolishness. Want to be a fool, follow mans wisdom.

          • vocal local

            Save it Stan. Your actions or lack of actions now determine your eternity and your children and grandchildren’s world tomorrow. You talk like a slave accepting not evidencing any manly character. Do not act like a coward to protect your own self stand up and be counted do not grovel, do not beg.

          • hoss50cal

            if some punk tried to take my firearm I would have put him in a grave too if he try to take the gun then there is no reason to believe that he doesn’t want to kill

          • vocal local

            I see your gray matter doesn’t stretch. Had Michael been successful in taking the gun he might be alive today. Did you not consider his attempts to take the gun were to protect himself from the police officer’s aggressive approach?

          • AirFrank

            Yes and the cop would be dead. Who would you prefer to live that confrontation? I know it wouldn’t be Michael

          • vocal local

            Considering his aggressive behaviors I have to agree.

          • mtman2

            Which then means the LEO was drawing out the weapon and Brown grabbed it but being
            Wilson finger was evidently in the trigger guard pulled the trigger in the car, hence the 1st shot.

            I covered my take not of only the situation but “procedures period” – which I covered in the far above
            post with Sue on this.

            Wilson was still a novice(and alone) and Brown was an out and out thug but a death sentence by the novice LEO was not justice, though being law enforcement can get a pass legally. Sorry but younger inexperienced LEO’s should not be out without an experienced proven wise older officer.
            High def cameras and high quality mics should be on every LEO, for both sides of ALL ‘incidents’ ~!

          • vocal local

            I disagree with you on your conclusion that Michael Brown was a thug. He was an 18 year old new HS graduate high on pot. Interestingly the press didn’t inform us of this fact. He was a member of an extended family that certainly did not condone Michael’s behaviors and was seemingly unaware or would have intervened. We need to cut the work week, create jobs and had we this kid would have been working not getting into trouble on the streets is my take. Following are some stats on Ferguson: “”Black unemployment is three times that of white unemployment,” Dobbs said on Aug. 19’s America’s Newsroom. “The community itself has a 13 percent unemployment rate, more than double that of the national average. The household net worth in that community is $10,000, a third less than the national average.” In contrast, “Average Police Officer Salary in Ferguson, MO: $28000.” I also choose to comment on your desire for camera’s and police training and use. Have you seen any that show the cop saying: “don’t resist!” then beating the shit out of the person?

          • mtman2

            All someone is can change from what was to what now is by actions taken. Maybe the tests on him weren’t inclusive of results of certain drugs(he might have been given them without his knowledge even), but his attitude on tape and witnessed appears very aggressive like when on PCP+/or meth.
            Job stats for black American communities is double national and that includes the young at 50%+ unemployment. Jobs are not created by Gooberment edict but by getting out of the way.
            This potus has evidently no interest in any true economic resolutions, but only his ideological bent on “fundamentally transforming America” ???
            Without financial strength a family nor a nation can do much but despair and slogans aren’t answers-
            ………..as “Hope+Change” ain’t it either ~!

          • hoss50cal

            then he should have dropped to ground not attacked him he has only him self to blame

          • Sue4477

            Hoss, there is every reason to suspect he does want to kill. vocal local seems to see only from Michael’s side, not from BOTH sides. I can see where the cop could’ve been so aggressive and full of hate that Michael might have feared immediately for his life & wanted to disarm him to protect himself. But the reports on Michael’s attitude in the store before ever meeting the cop and the aggressiveness toward the cop indicate otherwise. Again, I wasn’t right there so I can’t know exactly what happened. I can only infer from the various reports.

          • AirFrank

            He resigned because the courts ruled the day before that ALL of the documents pertaining to Fast & Furious had to be released. His ass is grass and he knows it.

            Let see what you would do if a 300 Lb guerrilla who just committed strong armed robbery were charging at you.

          • vocal local

            Thanks Frank. Until your posting no one has been able to give the info.

          • vocal local

            Play Jane Goodall?

        • Sue4477

          Stan, I agree his view is tainted. He only seems to see Michael’s side w/o considering the cop’s side.
          Both sides need to be considered.

          • Stan Hoffman

            Sue, Romans 1:18-32 describes the downfall of a person from beginning to end. Verse 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Michael Brown was wicked, his actions showed that. Those who come out in his defense are showing that they have “pleasure” in what he did. Thus they are wicked also. When one is wicked, their heart is full of darkness and they cannot see the truth. Thus they call the truth a lie, and a lie the truth. God’s gift of salvation through Jesus Christ is the answer to the problem, but most reject it.

          • Sue4477

            Christ IS the answer! Those who love the lie love the Liar in Chief. They need God’s help or they won’t change.

      • Sue4477

        I think too many people lead too busy lives. They are focused on that and are missing the significance of what’s happening to the nation. They’ve long made up their minds that nothing ever really changes and their vote doesn’t count for much. Complacency. Apathy.

        I disagree on the police vs. children. Michael definitely showed problems with attitude and aggressiveness and lack of compliance with the officer. Even his brother said he hadn’t ever shown the bad attitude toward the store employee/owner that Michael did. Trying to get the officer’s gun indicated a willingness to use it. How many people try to take an officer’s gun away?? There is so much more to this story. I know I wasn’t there and don’t really know exactly what happened, but neither does anyone but Michael & the officer. But enough facts have come out, including the autopsy, that create significant doubt for me to believe the cop just decided to execute a kid and got away with it.

        • vocal local

          I agree most people are complacent. Things are changing rapidly on our watch and we are powerless to force compliance. My local council told the residents: “If you don’t like it vote us out.” Unfortunately, even at the local level the political machine controls the vote as related to ignorance and complacency, the failure of the silent majority to vote. We catch illegal council actions all the time but lack the finances 250 dollars per hour to hire an attorney and take them to court. When a citizen’s group spent 12,000 and won the cost to the taxpayer was 72,000 with the issue going all the way to the State Supreme court. Police today are being trained much more aggressively. Did the cop really have to do two head shots and kill a kid to preserve law and order or bring the kid to justice? Did the cop in Ohio have to kill a twelve year old? Here we have a trained officer, over six foot over two hundred pounds in prime shape. Who I do not think safely fired a weapon on a city street with pedestrians present. The perp had two or three shots in him already as he was leaving one or two in the hand and one in the leg. Back up was on the way he may have left the scene but would have been apprehended and alive today had the officer waited but he didn’t. The cop was pulling his gun too late, too close for safety. I also disagree as to what facts have been established on the official court record. We know an experienced attorney can lead a jury and control the record by the questions and types of question be it closed or opened ended they ask. Mcculloch’s refusal to step down considering his strong police family ties negatively taints judicial fairness. What you fail to understand is this is a precedent setting case. Cops can now kill with impunity, no more grand juries a huge relief on our back-logged judicial system in both time and money and denial of DUE PROCESS. Another chip away of the constitution on YOUR watch.

          • Sue4477

            I honestly can’t comment on the 2nd kid. I haven’t seen or read much about it. I agree an att’y controls the questions & answers in a courtroom. I’m not aware of courtroom dialogue in either case. I went by the facts that seem valid on Michael only. I’ve heard/read a lot on that. It does sound like McCulloch should have stepped down, but yours is the only info I have, so I’m responding to that. Why wasn’t there a higher authority to remove him from the case?

            As far as precedents, I think what ofcr. Wilson went through will make every thinking cop very very cautious. He will probably have to relocate if he can get hired somewhere. What cop wants to go through a trial and all the animosity blacks threw at him? Since he fired so many times he had to be trying to miss but intimidate Michael to stop running. This incident should teach us that we must be cautious & mindful to be fair & objective as we can. It MIGHT set a precedent, but that would only be true if Michael was innocent. It HAS set a precedent that cops need to really think carefully about how they’re going to handle these kinds of incidences BEFORE they happen. There’s no time to think it out at the time.

            There are still laws, and obama doesn’t control all of the local authorities like he does the higher ups. At least not yet. Have you seen the figures on blacks killing whites? Heard the media hype when it happens?? The % of blacks killing whites is significant, yet there’s little or no media coverage about all of these. No special treatment with politicians, including the pres. coming to encourage rage and violence. No rioting or looting or burning. It cuts both ways, but the MSM doesn’t report fairly about these things and most others, for that matter. People get brainwashed into believing the media’s lies. They make up their minds on guilt or innocence before the facts are out. As much fact as you or I are ever going to be told. This doesn’t help matters. Add to that all the people inciting anger, hate, violence, etc. and you have a false response that would’ve been different had people been left alone to view/read unbiased news and form their own opinions.

            Why do you say no more grand juries? The public outcry alone should cause the appropriate steps & trials to happen. Plus the law. I can’t see a cop just getting away with murdering a child or man with no investigation. Except maybe in a private place unseen, or an illegal drug transaction where few people are around and both sides are involved. Remember, these comments are based on not knowing about the 2nd child at all.

          • vocal local

            Sue, think. The facts you rely on are what McCulloch established on the official court record and what our propaganda driven press printed. In reality they
            may not be very factual at all. The reason McCulloch was not removed was related to errors and omissions the attorney for the family made. Is he an
            Uncle Tom? Did he sell the black community and us out? A legal precedent is what future Judges and lawyers will use as reference in determining new cases.
            This case determined an officer can and should use deadly force not merely restrain and containment of a perp, thus the failure to indite for committing
            or not committing an act in all future cases if we the public do not get a retrial which I’m not seeing anything about in any of the press. Again, why did
            Eric Holder resign? Ultimately, Eric Holder, US Attorney General is responsible for enforcing US law in conjunction with the changes required under the Patriot Act. He is the head of the FBI. The
            cops behaviors have been legally examined and determined appropriate they can shoot an unarmed individual of any age and race with impunity.
            Did you see the interview by Geo Stephanopoulos of Officer Wilson? Wilson admits he didn’t know how many shots he fired after Michael walked away from the squad. He fired at Michael because Michaels one hand was in his pants and he thought he might have a weapon? Would Michael have struggled for the officers gun had he been armed? I think not. In my community the cops tazed a man then turned the dogs on him when he wouldn’t remove his hands from his pockets. They had reports hehad a jack knife which he did, a legal jack knife that he had not used in any threatening manner. The man was non
            English Speaking and did not understand the commands. He was Serbian visiting our country legally on a visa. My community acted responsibly. The officer lost his dog handling position and two vicious dogs were retired or put down. I do not know if the officer is still with our department. Wilson claimed and showed no remorse. He said he would have acted the same if the perp were black or
            white and would do the same again. This is a huge win for the cops and our over burdened judicial system. Officer Wilson is also a victim. He will be protected by the brotherhood and this incident will effect him the remainder of his life weather he stays in police science or not. If I am wrong, if it does not suffer from killing another human being then Officer Wilson’s psychological make up then would be
            no different than the mass murder’s that have no conscience and feed on the violence they perpatrate on others. You are mistaken, most black inner city
            crime is black on black or black on other races that open business’s on their turf so to speak. Also, consider all persons living in the core, the ghetto, the slums are not black and remember this was a black suburban community not the ghetto. They are of all races that are forced into less than desirable living conditions that entrap on the basis of economics. See the documentary “Waiting for Superman”
            for greater insight if you have not already.

          • Sue4477

            vocal, I did say I went by facts that SEEM valid, meaning I’m aware of the MSM’s bias and didn’t use any of their reporting in trying to determine what to believe. I never watch or read MSM reports. Still, with alternative and more truthful sources, I, as anyone else, have to determine to the best of my ability what is truth @ a story I have no personal witness of any part of. I am well aware how att’ys use past court decisions for legal precedent. Such as the court determined phrase “separation of church & state” which is nowhere in our Constitution or other laws.

            From your words, it does sound like a new trial should be held. But, again, I am speaking from what you’ve said and no hard, provable facts. I see your point of killing Michael instead of just wounding. Doing this would be related to whether Michael was trying to kill the cop. It DOES seem excessive to have killed him. The cop firing 20 times and only hitting Michael 2x indicates to me that the cop tried not to kill Michael quite a few times. It seems questionable of Michael to be aggressive toward a cop and try to take a weapon with which he could continue his aggression & kill the cop. Of course Michael had no weapon or wouldn’t have tried to take the cop’s. Trying to take a cop’s weapon is highly aggressive and suspicious of intent, but I don’t know what’s legal for the cop to do in such a case. Killing him does seem too much. Again, I’m stuck guessing as to the actual events.

            So glad your community acted responsibly with the Serbian. It still sounds excessive, but I don’t know if the Serbian did anything to make his actions suspicious & questionable.

            I thought holder resigned because his illegal actions and the discovery of evidence of such made it very uncomfortable for him to maintain a position which he’s so obviously abused. But that doesn’t get him free from prosecution, so I don’t know what he thinks he’s gained.

            Wilson’s life was threatened, so I can see him saying that in the same life-threatening situation he would do the same. A cop having to fight an aggressive person trying to take their weapon, and his defense of his life, away from him is not the act of a law-abiding citizen with harmless intent. How many innocent people try to take a cop’s weapon and make themselves the only one armed between the 2 of them, with no intent on shooting the cop? Cops have to be respected in their position & duties. Mess with their authority and there’s a very firm response. That doesn’t mean there aren’t dirty, punitive and power abusing cops.

            My statement about crime comes from a report & graphs I saw on another blog. Again, I can only try to determine the validity of the report.

            I know that inner city crime is often black on black, but that doesn’t preclude the #s of crimes of black on white or other races. All of it is crime and wrong, deserving of arrest and due process. I know not all “black” neighborhoods have only black residents. Also there are many mixed communities that I’m aware of. I can see some of the motives & circumstances that promote such disproportionate #s of black crime vs. some other races. You no doubt are aware of them, too. Poverty, drug use, high unemployment, gangs, etc.

            I firmly believe that the poor need a “hand up” rather than handouts. Handouts should be temporary, while the poor are helped to escape poverty through job training for good paying jobs or education. The cost of training or education can be paid through reasonable paycheck deductions from the new job plus some state/federal aid. This helps lift the poor out of their lifestyle predicaments, gives hope and a future as better or well employed persons. It helps break the cycle of poverty. I’ve seen it work.

            Below are sites with some helpful info on black crime, white crime and more. You may already know these things. I can’t say there are no inaccuracies or bias, I can only try to find good reports that are mostly believable.

            http://townhall.com/columnists/dwwilber/2014/11/30/race-and-media-bias-n1925239/page/2

            http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439

            http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf Pages 11-13 especially apply to our discussion.

            I will check out the “Waiting for Superman” documentary. I would like to know more about this topic. Thanks.

          • vocal local

            Thanks for the enlightenment Sue. I would have sworn separation of church and state was in the US constitution and your correct it is not. IF my memory is correct six bullets hit Michael. Where did the other 14 go? Had Wilson shot Michael while he was trying to get the gun we’d have an entirely different situation with the cop clearly in the right. As is the cop instigated the deadly situation when Michael walked away is my take. Historically, we know whenever a repressed society develops the use of drugs and alcohol increases. Today heroin is promoted and directly related to US occupation in Afghanistan. When the Taliban had control the farmers were not allowed to grow poppies. When the US moved in they went right back to growing, producing more annually with 80% coming here to our kids on our streets. I’ve heard there’s greater profit in the heroin trade than oil. Someone big who is well shielded from ever getting caught is in control not the little guy on the street peddling the drugs in the core or suburban HS and neighborhoods. I view the drug laws putting little folks in prison as entrapment, with the only solution being legalization and sale by the govt which would put the king pins out of business and profit revenues in govt coffers instead.
            When college grads can’t find jobs, when congress fails to pass strict regulations on imports and exports and allows corporations to avoid taxation by moving overseas there isn’t any way in the world we can provide enough training and education (hand up) to provide gainful employment that is very necessary thus we increase the hand outs and increase poverty and crime. To this end we must credit President Obama for his most recent environmental agreements with China and his participation in the G-20 recently held in Australia at which the countries in attendance agreed to uniformly close the international corporation tax loop holes.

          • vocal local

            “Sue, Correction. Separation of Church and State is a part of the constitution. It is Amendment 1: The constitution, amendment 1 does not contain separation of church and state. The interpretation is implied.

            First Amendment | Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal …
            http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amend...
            Legal Information Institute

            “The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.”

            No govt may pass law controlling a religion or abolishing one.

          • Sue4477

            Amendment 1: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the gov’t for a redress of grievances”.

            The courts made a ruling stating “separation of Church & State” and set that oft-qouted precedent. One of the purposes of the 1st Amendment was to avoid state mandated religion, as in England. You no doubt know this. obama & cohorts along with LGBT and atheist groups have violated “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” over and over. Obamacare specifically, illegally interferes with gov’t mandated, tax funded things like abortion, Planned Parenthood, & transgender operations, forcing people to participate & finance what, in their religious beliefs are wrong and offensive to God.

          • vocal local

            I’m not so sure your correct. Separation of church and state grants equal rights doesn’t it? One could argue incongruence exist among the Judeo-christian religions. For instance, the jews don’t protest abortion or capital punishment. The Catholics deny both, Both are congruent. Other Christian based religions lack congruence in that most object to abortion but support capital punishment. I have no idea what the position of the Muslim is. Regardless, Congress has no right to allow religion into the equation. IF tax monies are to be spent supporting social programs the church should control it’s membership not impinge legally on the rights of others. If society decides to fund transgender operations that is up to the majority to determine at the polls. HOLD YOUR REP RESPONSIBLE.

          • Sue4477

            No, no. Separation doesn’t grant equal rights. Church and State are different entities entirely. The idea is, again, that the State can’t mandate (establish) any particular religion for the country and that it also can’t prohibit the free exercise of a religion. In the exact same sentence is no prohibiting or abridging the freedom of speech, which I take to mean we are free to speak of our religion as well as all other topics, and to peaceably assemble in a religious or other group. Peaceably being the key word.

            I believe the majority of legitimate voters should have been given the opportunity to decide Obamacare by voting for or against it. But even Congress didn’t understand it because of it’s ambiguity. I and others read sections of it and found the meaning hard to determine due to it’s ambiguity. To implement such a far reaching and dramatic change in medicine and other non-medical areas included in obamacare, it’s only right & fair to put it out to the people. We get to vote on mostly far less significant changes. obama & dems/libs pushed it through Congress w/o Congress taking the time to understand it. I didn’t vote for obama. That doesn’t mean I want his planned-to-fail healthcare with it’s obvious shortcomings & problems even before it became law.

            “IF tax monies are to be spent supporting social programs the church should control it’s membership not impinge legally on the rights of others”. Not sure what you mean here. Churches do not “control” their membership, members are all individuals who make their own decisions, whether in line with church teachings or not. Can you give me an example of what you are thinking of when churches or members impinge legally on the rights of others? I see dems/libs, atheists, Muslim groups, ACLU and others constantly impinging legally/illegally on the rights of others due to the obama admin. allowing it.

            I certainly agree with holding my reps responsible, and I do.

          • mtman2

            “Well” 30 states had Referendums on “same-sex ‘marriage'” + Ca. twice and voted NO every time,
            now look at what wing-nut lower courts did to the will of the People, congress is absolutely gutless ~!

          • AirFrank

            Wrong again. Separation of church and state was a phrase coined in a personal letter by Thomas Jefferson. That’s all. Never has existed and doesn’t exist.

          • vocal local

            See the first amendment to the constitution. Although the words separation of church and state are not strictly used it is implied. You are correct the exact words were used by Jefferson in a letter to a Baptist Minister.

          • Sue4477

            See my quote above. AF didn’t look far enough.

          • Sue4477

            Gee, you were so quick to criticise you neglected to keep reading:
            Jefferson’s metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. In Reynolds v. United States (1879) the Court wrote that Jefferson’s comments “may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.” In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote: “In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state.”[2]

            However, the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as absolute, and the proper extent of separation between government and religion in the U.S. remains an ongoing subject of impassioned debate.[3][4][5][6]

          • mtman2

            To Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 use the phrase “wall of separation” in his take -describing-
            the impenetrability of the federal government into affairs of religion as stated in the first two parts of
            the 1st-Amendment, though Washington + Adams differed in this involvement on a national level ~!

          • AirFrank

            True enough. And 7 of the original 13 colonies at the time of ratification had state ordained churches.

          • mtman2

            The British put huge bounties on American chaplains, esp. the Baptists. They caused courage
            and selfless stand up courage that foiled the British feared bayonet charges that only work when
            the enemy breaks rank. But OUR men and boys didn’t break and run with God fearing preachers by their sides; they instead put fear into the poor British troops(cannon fodder), foiling their superiors ~!

          • Sue4477

            “…and has been cited repeatedly by the US Supreme Court…” Keep reading further about it.

          • Sue4477

            The other 14-18 bullets were most likely fired as warnings & attempts to stop Michael B. from fleeing the scene. I can see where wrestling for a gun would keep a cop & the other person from being able to fire at that time. Almost impossible to do. Once the gun is clearly in control of 1 person, only then can it be pointed at the intended target.

            I’ll leave the drug issues alone, as I don’t want to launch into all that subject encompasses.

            I agree corporations should pay their share of taxes. We should also quit driving them away from our nation. The jobs and businesses are needed here. That’s obama hurting us financially & economically again according to his plan. Import/export fees would help raise money and keep homegrown products in a fairer price-competitive situation. Great news that the G-20 produced an agreement to close the internat’l corporation tax loopholes! Who gets the taxes? I have yet to read all that was accomplished from G-20. So hard to find the time!

            I have researched quite a bit and DO NOT believe in global warming. Total bunk. So I strongly object to obama giving away money to 1 of our biggest creditors for nothing. We shouldn’t be helping them out period. We are in no position to give money while owing a fortune to them. That money could be used to help train & educate those in poverty. Add to that so much other wasted gov’t money. We’ll just have to disagree on this one.

          • AirFrank

            Police never ever fire a warning shot. Only a fool would do such a thing.

          • Sue4477

            When you’ve got an unarmed runner with his back to you? I didn’t know that.

          • mtman2

            Opium was shut down with U.S, invasion; according to the U.N., opium now is the TALIBAN’s major source of income. And Afghanistan supplies 90% of the world illicit opium in the Helmand province
            in the south= 6,500 tons of the junk.
            Seems like Mansanto could’ve profited heftily is “Roundup” was used to spray all these 200,000+ acres of the poppies!~??……….. Why has this not happened to force normal crops only???

            Eliminating the IRS and income tax by FAIR-Tax only would also catch ALL loopholes when monies are derived from revenues(you know profits) as well as amnesty for overseas monies that were driven out of the USA by over regulation. Then back off from choking economic growth by over regulation with a socialist mentality.

            The statist-Far-Left Dems would like to nationalize everything(and have said so); which is not only NOT their place or Right, but they can’t even run the over spending top heavy mess they’ve already created; ie- $18,000,000,000,000.00 now in debt with 6 x that in unfunded mandates to boot.
            MAO’bama’s agreement with China is a prop, a canard and a totally useless PR stunt
            As far as the G-20 summit; PM Tony Abbott took control of the agenda to not get to far off into the weeds and “cluttered” as usual with ‘climate-change’ -but the pathetic goal of 2% growth by making international tax fairer, banking stability and reduced corruption doesn’t amount to the fuel spent for everyone going to the other side of the world @10 star accommodations. It’s mostly a publicity stunt.
            Drug dealers, the mob etc and all will under the FAIR tax pay billions a year now not seen and no KGB/IRS overlording citizens ANYMORE.
            Just my thoughts and observations on the subjects as a Conservative/libertarian ~!

          • vocal local

            You are dead wrong about the opium/heroin trade. When the Taliban had control of Afghanistan they shut growing down. It was when the US went in that the farmers started growing again with the US the biggest consumer. Prior Cocaine out of So. America was their big drug money maker but when So American US relationships went sour, when Chavez took power and kicked Shell out the drug lords switched products. This was under Bush Jr. He didn’t do a thing to protect Shell Oils investments now did he? You could be very correct on Obama’s deal with China on environment and the G20 I’m not well versed and there wasn’t much in the press on either event. Someone in our government has to be the drug king pins and will never get caught. I’d look to the northern border for drug access. Interesting that we never hear about illegal operations with miles and miles of open, rural boundary that is easily crossed. I know, I’ve been across it via old logging roads in Minnesota not knowing where I was until after the fact.

          • mtman2

            Nah, the graphs are easily searched + also the U.N. statement of the world market figures; I just did.
            Can’t see how those fields wouldn’t have been defoliated to force ag. crops unto the national scene.

            Crooked criminal politicos(as U say) would be a great outing for any real journalist; like Sharyl Attkisson finally awakened to just how statist the inner political powers are becoming toward us all ~!

          • vocal local

            Do a google search. Forget what the UN says. We have had a major growth in the use of Heroin since 2001 when we went back into Afghanistan. The Heroin HWY is from Afghanistan thru Pakistan, to India. The Sikh’s have had their Golden Temple raided a few times and Heroin found. They could be involved. Eastern ideology is quite different than western. To them the end result is the determinate. They feed 40,000 people a day as India doesn’t have a public welfare system. There were indicators that the Sikh Temple shooting in WI was drug related but once the FBI came on the scene things mysteriously changed and the perp, Wade Page was suspect of committing a hate crime. Officially never determined but later press stories all state it was. Things are not what they seem. More profit in Heroin than oil. Why else would we be in Afghanistan?

          • mtman2

            Did all that- and is where the multiple graphs from different sources were, the U.N.($$$-pit) had the rise in “world-wide use of heroin”. As much heroin as they figured is trillions of $$$, far more than Sikh’s.

            When you get who the “we” is specifically, let me in on that. Journalism by freelancers is still viable and Sharyl Attkisson is doing just that by virtue of her book and detailing the Fed inquisition through the WH to her own stored records, it can be done ~!

          • vocal local

            No you didn’t “Do all that” as related to discerning the Taliban’s role in stopping the production of poppies in Afghanistan or you’d know that in one year 2000-2001 when the Taliban had control of Afghanistan they shut the poppy growing farmers down. At that time most of the poppy production went to Europe. The American’s went in, chased the Taliban out and today 80% of the Heroin comes here. DIscover who the real king pins of the American Heroin trade are and you’ll be dead by sundown.
            Your also confused as related to Sharyl Attkisson. She is not an investigative reporter. Look at her bio. Today, it’s not what you know it’s who and even with her pull she resigned I suspect before she was terminated.

          • vocal local

            Investigative Journalism is DEAD, Not Allowed as the public just might panic thus we really don’t have a free press. We don’t have a free press because the major networks all owned by (6 corporations) the Jew boy and won’t/cant print. Some Investigative reporters have been canned other’s like Sonia Shah have written books. She wrote about the drug companies very informative. Can’t remember the exact title something about searching for bodies.

          • vocal local
          • AirFrank

            Sue, your ignorance of the facts is amazing. Officer Wilson fired 10 shots, not 20. And he hit Michael Brown 6 times. A 60% hit ratio is far better than the average NY city cop which is a dismal 17%. So where do the other 83% go? Downrange to inflict harm on people not involved in the incident.

            Also, there was no trial. The Constitution does not allow a felony charge without indictment by a grand jury. That is what happened. The grand jury reviewed the evidence presented and came to the conclusion that Officer Wilson probably did NOT murder Michael Brown.

          • Sue4477

            What makes your resources more correct than mine? I’ve heard differing #s but just had to go with something. I thought I was probably misstating about a trial, but forgot to check my facts. My mistake.

          • mtman2

            Once deciding to not wait for backup, he chose to stepped out of that patrol vehicle feeling like
            a “5-yr old against Hulk Hogan” with a seriously deranged actions by this almost 300lb 6’4″ suspect;
            he should realize that this guy could be on meth+/or PCP making him 3x stronger and not mentally balanced!
            This alone dictated that lethal force will most likely be used if the giant suspect is pursued which he did anyway
            .Not waiting for backup(1-2 minutes) while keeping an eye on the suspect from his patrol vehicle, who when arriving would have multiple Tasers and bean bag shotguns.
            Nor did -he- use a bean bag shotgun(which he should’ve); a non lethal but VERY effective deterrent to pursue this very strange acting suspect. 1,2 or 3 hits with beans bags would stop his one track mindset on assaults, and all this would be moot.
            ………….Just my take on that scenario ~!

          • AirFrank

            The Attorney General is not, never has been, the head of the FBI. Your ignorance astounds.

          • vocal local

            Currently Frank there is not an official Director of the FBI who would answer to the US Attorney General. In the absence of it’s my understanding Eric Holder is acting head of the FBI. I’ve done some reading about the situation. If your absolutely certain please cite where your information is located.

          • AirFrank

            You engage until the attacker stops. It was Mr. Brown’s choice to continue the attack after the first 4 shots were fired.

        • mtman2

          Unfortunately Sue, many people have a one way view of LEO’s in the very many ‘cops vs kid’ shooting, esp truly innocent younger kids with toy or airguns not menacing anyone.
          Yes LEO’s can be exonerated legally were you or I would face criminal charges or could lose their jobs maybe, but probably only get “paid-leave”.

          However only people that can withstand a higher standard + scrutiny should be in any kind authority or judgement over American citizens; or be replaced esp LEO’s, judges, inspectors and politicos!
          ………………..”To whom much is given much WILL be required”

          Discretionary wisdom is the 1st requirement to be a LEO, that will mostly come from real experience.
          To me that means younger officers -only- go in the field with real experienced LEO’s.

          My proof of that is in the military, WE don’t send rookies into situations without higher authority to direct actions and decisions, unless commanders are killed on the mission and there is no one left then it falls to the next down the line.

          That means there are always two LEO’s anywhere(cameras w/mics a good idea) and in the case of Wilson vs Brown he was alone and after experiencing the power and violent propensity of Brow at
          the car should have stayed in the car + watched Brown from the patrol vehicle til backup got there.

          And after what happened he should of had several coming to figure on multiple Taser usage and beanbag shotguns. NOT got out of the car knowing more than likely Brown would re-attack him and he’d end up shooting him.
          Wilson stated “I felt like a 5-yr old with Hulk Hogan”; which means Brown could have been on meth +/or PCP giving him triple strength minus rational thinking. Discretionary wisdom would’ve paused for help and all this would be moot.

          Just my opinion, it has been jumped on hard at other sites for not being happy about “shoot-1st” ~!

          • Sue4477

            Good input! You give me a different view of Wilson’s error in thinking by NOT waiting for backup. There could have been a reason not to wait, like Michael B. getting away, but I wasn’t there. I can see either one of them could be to blame. which has been true for me this whole time. Too bad it wasn’t caught on film.

          • mtman2

            The other fact is Wilson is 28-yrs old: young to be on his own
            Again there should always be two LEO’s on assignment for all concerned.
            One of which the experienced proven senior officer + go to guy, just like in the military ~!

          • Sue4477

            Yes, I can see your point. It’s possible funding forced the police to send this man out alone. I usually see them alone where I live. If Wilson made a wrong decision, having a more experienced ofcr. with him would have helped tremendously, maybe saving a life. Just the presence of another officer would maybe make Wilson think twice before doing something questionable.

          • OCDiver

            Officer Wilson made the only decision the situation allowed him to make, the right decision. Don’t let mtman2 confuse you to his way of thinking. He’s dead wrong!!

          • OCDiver

            There isn’t enough funding for two officers in a patrol car. Anytime the liberal democrats don’t get the tax hikes they want, the first thing they do is cut the budgets of the Police Dept.’s and the school systems to “punish” the voters. I’ve watched it happen for the last 40 years here in Oregon. Liberals love to set society up for failure.

          • mtman2

            This is true and it does boil down to the “silent+moral-majority” do not vote as they just aren’t
            interested enough to be involved but will complain later. Raise their children the same way.
            So I’ve also said good cameras-W/good mics on every officer helps everyone all around.
            BUT a 28-yr old hasn’t enough discretionary-wisdom to face every situation correctly ~!

          • OCDiver

            Only the bad apples will be upset that they have to wear body cameras w/mic’s. I agree that 28 y/o isn’t experienced enough to respond alone, but in the heat of an incident ….. sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. When the budget cuts won’t allow two in a car, it puts younger officers in a bad situation. I have to admit that at 48 y/o had I been in Officer Wilson’s situation, Mr. Brown would still be just as dead. It seems to me (just judging by what I witnessed on the video of Mr. Brown’s strong arm robbery of the convenience store), that had there been more Officers on scene the only difference it would have made is the number of rounds fired. Mr. Brown was clearly a thug that disrespected everyone around him especially Police. Having experience dealing with these situations myself, the more Officers on scene means more targets for the perp to swing at.

          • mtman2

            No OC, I’m not dead wrong, you just don’t know what your talking about and evidently have not read all I’ve put down on the subject. Wasting wordy opinions which in the real world would just get in the way of real situations and those’d be told to stay out of the way before you screw something else up.

            I’ve deal with life a death situations every day in my work my whole life, not on an occasions.

            I’ll say it one more time since you seem not to have seen it above, IF that LEO didn’t wait- but got out of the patrol vehicle, it should only been with a bean bag loaded shotgun, one round would knock the wind out of the dumb kid! And he was just a dumb unarmed kid not a killer, rapist or what not.
            Discretionary wisdom should have ruled that day; skin color should be immaterial.

            A pile of officers would not even only look dumber but face murder charges shooting an unarmed 18-yr old full of holes. A baseball bat could do the job but also could kill that kid. The LEO’s purpose and job is to arrest this kid, not kill him.

          • OCDiver

            You’re a hot headed blowhard. You were not on the scene at the time the incident happened, and neither was I. I wasn’t being “wordy” in my opinion either. You’re dead wrong for having the audacity to arm chair quarter-back the incident and pass judgement on an honorable, dedicated Police Officer. You may deal with life and death situations daily in your position (whatever that may be …. if there’s even an ounce of truth in what you’re claiming), but the difference here is that you have an entire team around you backing you up at all times (if you really are what you’re insinuating you are). The men and women in blue that have swron an oath to protect and serve us DO NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY. So get off of your high horse you ignorant, ungrateful WRETCH!! Shame on you for condemning a man that did his job and was exonerated by the Grand Jury!! As for your opinion that I don’t know what I’m talking about ….. my badge number is DPSST 40274 (State of Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training) it’s public record, feel free to verify. In Officer Wilson’s case skin color had nothing to do with it as the call he had just responded to prior to this incident was an infant in medical distress ….. A BLACK INFANT. Know ALL of your facts BEFORE you falsely accuse, and condemn people. When a 6′ 5″ 290+ pound, 18 y/o MAN not “KID” is charging you with his hand in his waist band insinuating he has a gun, an Officer has EVERY RIGHT to defend himself with DEADLY FORCE!!!!

          • mtman2

            Nah, you are the wordy hothead with less than note worthy additions to uplifting dialogue and I wouldn’t waste time bantering with your foolishness. Non of this is about race, as I stated, but poor judgement. Most LEO’s retire having never drawn their weapons, whereas I sometimes face more life and death situations in one day most LEO’s couldn’t deal with period. Not that I envy them as most of what they do is a pain- with very little danger but lots of paperwork.
            It IS as I stated -poor judgement that causes these calamities.
            I can’t afford mistakes or would be crippled killed and I work alone- felling timber in the Mts. whether 100 degrees or minus 20+ in 1′-3′ of snow, miles from anyone nor anyone to even know where I am ~!

          • OCDiver

            Then why do you respond if I’m not worth “bantering with”? It’s like Elton John thumbing through a “Playboy” ….. just don’t make any sense!! My “foolishness”? My dad was a logger too, never alone, always with a team, he taught me how to fell timber as well, I never go out alone. So, if you really are working alone in the mountains as you claim, that in and of it’s self shows pi$$ poor judgement. Your “life and death situations” only affect “you”, whereas the life and death situations LEO’s face, not only affect their lives, but the lives of all the citizens around them, so there’s really no comparison to yours. The “poor judgment that causes these calamities” is on the part of the person resisting arrest, challenging the Police in any way, shape or form and not taking responsibility for their actions. As for you telling me that most LEO’s don’t have to draw their weapons their entire career, that’s a pretty self serving comment. I’ve never had to draw mine either, so what’s your point?

          • mtman2

            Look you moron I don’t claim anything, your the idiot making wordy claims. I’ve taken time to tell you what I know and do as fact, you aren’t worth my or anybodies time you mouthy back stabbing skinflint.
            Of course by your mindless blather may not be aware of just what pain to others you are, Gump.
            Why don’t go back to chasing cars, maybe you’ll get lucky and catch one ~!

          • OCDiver

            Seriously??? Have you really hit the length of your intelligence that you have to resort to name calling to make yourself feel superior?? I’m not the one putting “mindless blather” out there making myself look like a fool. I’ve made no claims that aren’t easily verifiable from a search of public records. You on the other hand claim to work miles from anywhere or anyone in an obvious attempt to sound like a modern day Daniel Boone or Davey Crocket. As I said, your claims of life or death situations only affect you, so there really is no comparison to the life and death situations dealt with daily by LEO’s here in civilization.

          • mtman2

            Nah, you started it and asked for it, and like most people in real life that have to up with you, or not, they’ll only tolerate so much of your ignorance and insults. Of course your aware of this and is why you bother folks not of your opinion online until you get them riled then it’s “AWWW U hoyt my feewings”.
            Get it Gump: your not worth the time girly-man, you couldn’t imagine what I’ve done in my life ~!

          • OCDiver

            More attempts of insults and deflection. Really? I started it and asked for it? how much more juvenile can you get? I’ve never even implied that my feelings are hurt. But apparently yours have been or you wouldn’t be talking like a kindergartener. Grow up buddy. All I did was disagree with your point of view and your comments to Sue. I neither started nor asked for anything. I called your BS and you’ve gone all juvenile because you haven’t the intelligence to back up any of your points in rebuttal to the truth of the facts that I’ve pointed out to you.

          • mtman2

            I’ don’t need to “attempt” anything my reaction is something you’ve brought on yourself your whole life as your disrespect for others viewpoint is easily seen. Except in person you’ve learned to cool it as you want to keep your teeth. If you can’t handle the heat of UR own making get out of the kitchen.

            You just can’t say what you think is relevant and leave it, seemingly too simplistic to grasp and self centered to care to listen and learn from others that are capable of thinking in multidimensional levels beyond just- pull the trigger and feel good about it. One would need to be intelligent enough to recognize their ignorance to even realize it, and you-……………………….. don’t have it.

            On top of that you’ll go to others to backbite another; that shows in your oneway ideas. Face it your just not that bright OC.
            Kindly consider what the points others make and learn from them not attack and insult them repeatedly. Or it’ll fall back on you, which is not new to you- only here you can hide.
            As per the attack on me below(Sue4477-7-days ago) -was- the start, they have names for those that run around fomenting animosity + division. You just can’t help yourself in your simpletonistic grasps ~!

          • OCDiver

            It’s pretty obvious that you’re the one that can’t handle the heat of your own making, the way you keep coming back with personal attacks, and threats (“Except in person you’ve learned to cool it as you want to keep your teeth.”) meaning if I were standing in front of you right now, you’d bust my teeth out for what I’m saying. You’re the one that’s to self centered to admit that you’re wrong. You work miles from anywhere or anyone, why? because you’re the one that can’t deal with the reality of society. You are the one detached from society and have the audacity to arm chair quarterback the Police Dept.s and their training. You yourself are about as bright as a candle with no wick.

            “You just can’t say what you think is relevant and leave it, seemingly
            too simplistic to grasp and self centered to care to listen and learn
            from others that are capable of thinking in multidimensional levels
            beyond just- pull the trigger and feel good about it. One would need to
            be intelligent enough to recognize their ignorance to even realize it,
            and you-……………………….. don’t have it.”

            You’re the one that is guilty of this statement not me. I have many times in my life admitted my mistakes and owned up to them when I’m wrong. I’m not wrong in this instance, I’ve been trained to handle the types of situations that we’ve been discussing, you obviously haven’t been, or if you have been, you’ve obviously forgotten everything you were taught. There is NO such thing as “pull the trigger and feel good about it.” the mere implication that, that’s what you think of me, ranks you as the most ignorant being on the face of the Earth, because you don’t know me from Adam, you know nothing about me, I’ve even given you my badge number (DPSST 40274, just to refresh your feeble memory) that’s public record but you’re to afraid to look me up because you know you’re wrong and to proud to admit it. You’re the one lacking the intelligence to recognize your own ignorance. I do consider “kindly” the points of views of others, and I call BS when I see it. You are so full of BS it’s pathetic. You’re the one that can’t help yourself in simpletonistic grasps.

          • mtman2

            You don’t really think I’m gonna read all your rambling bleating?
            I don’t go to bars but you should try your warped social etiquette at one;
            it won’t be long and some ones gonna just plow you for the fun of it
            You should take your meds 1st ~!

          • OCDiver

            Never ceases to amaze me how folks like you turn to lame attempts to insult people, when they can’t turn those people to their way of thinking.

            I really don’t care if you read every word I respond with or not.

          • OCDiver

            He who hesitates is lost, if a cop hesitates in a life or death situation, they put their life and the lives of all around them at risk. In the heat of a situation (such as what happened in Ferguson) a cop doesn’t have the luxury of waiting for backup to arrive, especially when confronting a thug like Mike Brown. How would you hold a cop that allows innocent civilians to get hurt or killed because they hesitated?? Guilty of costing the lives of innocent civilians or not?? If a child chooses to cut the orange toy identifier tip off of a realistic looking gun and then uses that gun in a menacing fashion, they are asking for trouble, and a cop responding to that call is going to respond with deadly force, as they should!! Liberal/Socialist society wants to demonize Police Officers and other authority figures for the woes we face today, instead of putting the blame where it really belongs ….. on themselves for creating such ridiculous laws that tie the hands of the people we pay to protect us from crime. They use these stories as cannon fodder to try and abolish the 2nd Amendment. Your quote “to whom much is given much will be required” is a biblical quote that you have intentionally taken out of context unless you just really are that ignorant. That quote is talking about the faith that God gives a person, not the authority over people you’re referring to. Your military analogy is flawed as well, it makes me wonder if you served and misrepresent your training to further your agenda, or if you’re ignorant about that as well. My dad served from 1959 to 1963, and the things that he taught me about being in the Military, is that from the top to the bottom, all leaders teach their job to the next man in rank below him, so that, that man knows how to lead the rest, in the event of the death of said commander. I was born with medical conditions that prevented me from having the honor of serving our country, so I can’t speak from experience only from what I was taught.
            I accept the fact that your statement is just your opinion, but if you make statements like this on other sites and it gets jumped on hard, don’t you think that you need to start rethinking your opinion? I had a friend in HS that was on the Debate Team, he told me once that “if you can’t convince them with logic, baffle them with bull$hit”; so I asked him if he ever considered the fact that what he considered to be logic wasn’t in actuality bull$hit, and that was why he couldn’t convince people. Eventually he saw that I was right and changed his opinions.

      • AirFrank

        I think you are ignorant and close minded. The Grand Jury can only return a True Bill if the evidence provided indicates that the suspect PROBABLY did the crime for which they are accused. In the Ferguson case the cop shot in self defense. Sorry the facts don’t support your racist views.

        • vocal local

          Did the cop have to continue to try on his own to subdue Michael. I would say NO. He had back up on the way. He didn’t have to incite the perp further and shoot. Michael was walking away. The cop was no longer threatened. He was still alone and then to claim he thought he had a weapon lacks credibility. At this point the perp has at least three bullets in him couldn’t this over six foot, over two hundred pound TRAINED police officer slam dunk him? The use of deadly force should not be allowed. Wilson did the crime no doubt in anyone’s mind the question was did he shoot in self defense? I do not agree. The transcripts would be helpful.

          • vocal local

            In addition. Police should not have rights the public does not. If someone comes into my business and attacks me or my home and then leaves, I cannot run to the gun safe take out a gun and follow them out side or even into the garage and shoot them now can I?

      • omegaman

        vocal local — So you understand it, but the rest of us don’t ? Gosh, how wonderful you must be.

      • OCDiver

        Your statement leads a reader to believe you’re an ignorant racist. The Grand Jury in Ferguson was put together over a month before this incident happened. Their findings based on the facts of the evidence and eyewitness testimony, would not legally support an indictment of Officer Darren Wilson. People like you are so up in arms with intolerant hatred towards the Police and white on black violence that you’re totally blind to the more prevalent black on black and black on white violence. As for your apologetic “I’m sorry”, don’t be; just open your eyes and mind to the facts of the matter and stop allowing yourself to be lied to by the liberal, socialist Democrats like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP and the ACLU (and that doesn’t mean that I believe that the whole Democrat Party is liberal or socialist either) that do nothing for Americans and everything for their own communistic agenda. You are the one that is obviously failing to understand what just happened in Ferguson. All of the rioting and looting is based on a lie told by Darian at the very beginning of the story, and you and way too many others have allowed yourselves to be lied to and continue to defend that very same lie because to not believe that lie doesn’t fit in with your refusal to face facts.

        • vocal local

          Wow! What statement did Darian make in the very beginning that I missed? In all seriousness, please respond, I hope I am not a racist as fairness is a high value. I fully realize the grand jury formation was a technicality under MO law. Therefore, I don’t understand your reference. However, I remind you a skillful prosecuting attorney can lead the jury and can control the record from which jury members are allowed to render a decision. The attorney representing the Wilson’s, made significant mistakes, not only leading me to question his competency but also his integrity. Also, leading me to question if he is but another “Uncle Tom”. selling not only his race but me also a member of economically stricken America.

          • OCDiver

            Dorian Johnson (my apologies for the misspelling and the confusion it must’ve caused in my original post) was the one that put it out there that Mike was walking towards the squad car with his hands in the air attempting to surrender (I saw the live statements he made on the local news and on FOXNews on Aug. 9, 2014 and it was later revealed that Dorian was an accomplice in the strong arm robbery at the convenience store committed by Mike Brown). That was a bald face lie, proven by the blood spatter evidence from the bullet strikes at distances proving Mike was in fact charging Officer Wilson, something that the mainstream media refuses to acknowledge, as it conflicts with their agenda to keep the public stirred up and pitted one against the other. My reference to the Grand Jury comes from how the rioters and looters have stated on multiple occasions, their belief that the jury was put together by the prosecutor so that there would be no indictment. I agree that a prosecutor can present the evidence to the grand jury to get an indictment, if they feel that they can get a conviction in a trial, that isn’t the case here as the prosecutor released all of the evidence to the grand jury and held nothing back. Rudy Giulianni said that he read the evidence and all of the witnesses statements, after they were released to the public and he could find nowhere in the evidence where this case should have even been brought to a grand jury. I’m hoping that you meant the Brown’s attorney and not Officer Wilson’s attorneys, as all of the statements I heard the Brown’s attorney make were based on racebaiting and deflection from the truth of the evidence.

            I too am a part of the economically stricken America. We the people have got to stop buying into the lies and deceptions of the ACLU, NAACP, Al Sharpton’s and Jesse Jackson’s of America. Then and only then will America be able to recover from the animosity and intolerance that they’ve sewn.

    • OCDiver

      They will believe only what Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the ACLU and NAACP tell them to believe. MLK Jr. would be spinning in his grave if he knew what was going on in America today. Who freed the slaves with his “Emancipation Proclamation”? ….. Abraham Lincoln …. A Republican!!! Who served as “President” for the Confederate States of America and tried to keep them as slaves? …… Jefferson Davis ….. a Democratic former Congressman from the State of Mississippi!!! (check out his Bio. on Bio.com). Al Sharptongue and Jesse Jackstoned like to accuse conservative minded blacks as “Uncle Toms”, traitors to their race, when in all actuality they themselves are the “Uncle Toms” for supporting a political party that since the Civil War has done nothing but hold them under their boot heels!! Yes, in 1964 the Democratic controlled Congress passed the “Civil Rights Act”, no doubt about that and I commend them for that to a point, and that point is this. Why did the Dem’s. do that? So that the black community would think that they were for them and get their votes, plain, pure and simple. Look at what the Dem’s. have done since then, all of these “public assistance programs” welfare, foodstamps and such. Why? to keep the blacks and lower income whites dependent upon them!! They lost control of their “slaves” to the Republicans (who freed them) during the Civil War, so now they try to keep them in servitude and dependent upon them through social welfare programs. So sad that their are so many that are so brainwashed to believe that the Dem’s. are actually for them, because of the ignorance and racebaiting done by Al Sharptongue, Jesse Jackstoned, the NAACP and the ACLU.

      • Sue4477

        Yes, I’ve heard this theorized before and I agree. We’ve all been lied to far too often.

  • rayhause

    Quite frankly, the Democratic Party is a great place for them. When we start selling our principles for their vote, our country really is doomed. We have specific principles and standards we have to follow and why should we start selling out to the “Free Stuff” mentality.

    • docwilly

      That’s true

    • Stan Hoffman

      rayhause, there are three major events that a country goes through before its finale downfall. First is the sexual revolution, 2nd is wide acceptance for the homosexual/lesbian lifestyle. We have experienced both of those. So we are just one step away from collapse. May our people turn back to God before its to late.

      • Sue4477

        And THAT is our answer!! Amen.

  • bygeorge

    Ferguson, the Failure of Liberalism…

    I was away when the Ferguson Grand Jury verdict was announced and the predictable arson, looting, riot and anarchy began. I now want to add my two cents worth. One of the main pillars of a safe, happy and prosperous society is a respect for law and order, by all its citizens. We once had that. Liberalism has killed it. Michael Brown was not taught respect for law, or shop owners, or the people who enforce it and he paid with his life. He was a thief and a thug, a product of a dysfunctional black society.

    Liberalism, for decades has been slowly coiling its tentacles of top down government control over a free and productive society. To work, it needed a dependent class and liberalism found its victims in the weakest social group, the blacks, just coming out of the extended Jim Crow era. They were told ”trust us”, you are not responsible for your condition and told that the tax payers would provide them a living assistance. There was a caveat however: if a man (father) still lived with the family and could work, then no welfare would be provided. Exit black fathers! Enter the rapid growth of the Liberal welfare state that exploded into what we see today, an almost near dependent class, basically untrained, uneducated and uninspired except to take from others, forcibly if necessary, what they want and don’t have. Their victims come in all races.

    So many years have passed without a (black) man being encouraged to do what every man wants to do naturally, provide for his family with dignity and self-respect. All that was swept away by toxic liberalism. Nearly a whole race became addicted to their survival by living off the government teat. Women became de facto heads of households producing multiple children by multiple soulless male partners to increase the governments financial aide. A return to the earlier concepts of holding a job and doing it with pride, now seems an impossible task.

    Comes now our Dear Leader, alleged president Obama, who found it necessary to intruded himself into the mess by speaking to America on a split screen TV, showing the riotous mayhem in direct contradiction to his soothing statements on law and order. At that moment, it became painfully clear that the social breakdown shown in Ferguson, Mo., was Liberalism’s finest hour and Obama’s Albatross. It’s his! Obama cannot be forgiven. Eric Holder cannot be forgiven. They are both guilty exponents of an imploding political and economic system that relies on fraud, deception and criminality to retain their grip on power. Obama has no moral or historic connection with America’s blacks. He cannot emphasize with them because he has never felt their pain. He doesn’t count anymore yet presumes to lecture us with his Marxist BS!

    Michael Brown was only one of hundreds of other young black males in Ferguson, Mo., indeed, in all of America, who have become dependent on the welfare state. Brown, and the others, fit into a class created by Marxist theory where they will stay. Brown’s attitude was formed in the black community, nurtured in the black community and encouraged by the Democrat Party that feeds their despair by taking sides against the police that are the enforcers of law and order.

    The “Ferguson Riots” are completely political. The nexus of these exercises in anarchy started years ago even before LBJ and his grand ideas for a Great Society enslaved America’s black race into near total dependency for their existence on Liberal government largess. The anarchy on display in Ferguson after the GJ verdict, was preplanned and is yet another Obama failure, like Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, XL Pipeline, etc. It has shown the world and America, that for six long, painful years, Americans have been fooled by an incompetent narcissist, but worse, we have two years more to go trying to withstand his nonsense.

    • Virgil Ferguson

      Mama was on TV talking about how her boy was murdered. I would like to ask her some questions. ———–Did you take your son to Church and Sunday school each Sunday?—-2 times per month—–1 time per month ???? Have you ever taken him to Church ???? Did you ever sit down and read the Bible to him ???? If you didn’t, don’t blame the policeman who was protecting himself from a demon inspired bully.

      • noel1234

        You are not wrong but better emphasize on learning and role models to emulate with such as Ben Carson a very successful doctor,Juan Williams and so many more who have found the American Dream. But when you work the nanny system you are rewarded by having more children even when you are not married. There is no responsibility for immoral behavior .

        • Betty

          I sure wouldnt use Juan Williams as a role model he Dr Ben Carson yes but not Juan Williams. He’s a joke.

          • noel1234

            I used him not because of what he says but how he says it.

          • Betty

            Ok thats good but I dont like his attitude.

          • noel1234

            agreed but he articulates the proper way

    • Sharon Engstrom

      Wish I would have wrote you comment bygeorge as I agree with everything you have written. But like the other commentator said, how do you get them to read the articles?

      • jjames60

        Especially if the can’t read. They fail in school, they fail in all aspects in life. So no, you can’t get them to read the articles when they can’t even spell their own name hardly. You listen to them talk, I would not hire them to work with the public in any fashion. If they got a labor job they would cry discrimination as they would have to work hard for what they get.
        They blame everyone else for the reason they are in jail, sorry, you commit the crime you do the time.
        What By George wrote was dead on and could not be spoken any better. But will they read it, no, and would be mad if they did as it is an article of truth and not the poor black man comment that OB, Holder, Sharpton, and Jackson would preach. There have been many blacks that have done well in life so these ones have no one to blame but themselves.

    • J_R_K

      By George, I think you’re right! And you stated your point of view excellently. ….Just one qualifier if I may… Obama has indeed fooled a lot of Americans, but I don’t believe the majority ever did believe in him. I don’t believe he would ever have been in the White house if not for criminal campaign financing, voter fraud, every kind of method of cheating that the Democrats could dream up. He was never elected honestly. For me to believe that he was and that he did indeed fool most Americans, I’d have to believe that most Americans are fools. We certainly do have our fair share of them, but they are not and never were the majority. Of course, anyone who didn’t believe that Obama sounded like a Greek god, had the possessed the wisdom of Solomon, the integrity of George Washington, the moral courage of Abraham Lincoln, even the lovability of Ronald Reagan (he was compared to all of these) and the divine saving abilities of Jesus Christ, was a racist…. You think the majority of Americans ever really bought into any of that crap?

      • Stan Hoffman

        JRK, if you remember back to 2007 when Hillary was campaigning hard for the Democratic party nomination, they realized she had no chance of winning. The sensationalism of having the first female President was not enough to over come her lack of qualities. So they came up with Obama. A nobody who happened to be black. The idea of having the countries first black President was sensational enough that many did not look at his lack of qualities. Once elected the Nation rejoiced at such a great achievement of electing our first black President. Many were proud of it and remained blind to the truth. Some started seeing the light as Obama was being exposed, but those who exposed him were declared right wing radical bigots and racists. So he got reelected not because he was good at his job, but because many didn’t want to be labeled right wing radical bigots and racists along with voter fraud. Of course now he’s gone so far that many who were once blind for whatever reason, will no longer tolerate him. Voter fraud was such a big deal in the November election that it probably wasn’t as effective for the liberals since so many were looking for it. Hope they police it hard in 2016.

        • J_R_K

          Oh, yeah. I remember all that. I had a couple of people in my own family call me a bigot when I tried to say the most outstanding thing about Obama was not that for “the first time in history the country elected a black president”, that there were other issues to be considered. And you’re right about those who didn’t want to be labeled right wing radical bigots and racists… but I just still don’t believe he won either election. I believe they were both stolen not only by voter fraud but by manipulation not only through the IRS but probably other government agencies as well. Also, like I said, we don’t have any shortage of idiots and outright stupid people, I just don’t believe that’s the majority. You’re also right about the November election not being as effectively stolen as the two times he took the presidency.

          As for myself, I figure just being a white male heterosexual is going to get me called all kinds of racist, bigot, nazi, mean spirited, fox news zombie, right wingnut, gun nut, hate monger, homophobic, sexist, pig moron any way, so I just never saw any reason to step aside from what I believe, what I know to be true and who I am. Liberals’ don’t, Why should I? I just never did like bullies, arrogance, dedicated stupidity and I sure don’t care for moral pontifications on political issues or political pontifications on moral issues… Obama is just a master pontificating pied piper piping tunes for ignorant people. I got that impression the first time I ever heard him open his mouth and I’ve never has a smidgen (borrowed that word from him) of a reason to change my mind.

  • Virgil Ferguson

    Most blacks are too uneducated or too lazy to read for themselves what is going on which contributes greatly to the ignorance factor. They will vote the way the “Man” says. Most are too stupid to think for themselves. You can’t carry on an intelligent conversation with someone who is not intelligent

    • goldie

      We also have have public education that is teaching them biased history and lies. I believe the first step to solving this is good old reading, writing, and arithmatic.

      • Stan Hoffman

        goldie, Stalin said “destroy a nations heritage and you can control the masses.”

    • Sharon Engstrom

      I know several blacks and none fit into your type casting. They are hard working, family oriented people. Just like in all races there are good and bad. We need to help out through education those that are left behind. I don’t agree with the Liberal’s way of thinking and giving them everything. That only leads to more poverty. We need to change the system and hopefully the Republicans can do just that.

      • Stan Hoffman

        Sharon, I know a lot of good blacks to. But I’ve also known a lot of bad ones. We have the same thing in the white race as all races do. Its the heart of the person that matters, not the skin color. The mafia educates their children. So an education with out morality training is not only worthless, its destructive to our society. God through Jesus Christ is where we find proper morality and mentoring.

      • Virgil Ferguson

        Sharon, you are right of course. I should have said a lot rather than most. I can think of many ways to improve this situation . But you have to have their co-operation and a desire on their part to improve their lifestyles. Only God can really help them.

  • William Fejka

    The biggest farce in this article is that the new illegal aliens ” would be better off jumping back over the fence “. I guess that’s so they can continue receiving their Mexican welfare and benefits. Let’s get real. They’re here for the handout. Work, yeah some will, most likely more than blacks but the families of these illegals will be on the dole for life. Just what the chimp in charge wants.He’s screwed over the blacks so much that some must surely be catching on that they are still slaves but only work on a different plantation.Now we are faced with a new dependent class of “citizens”. Just how in God’s name are we to pay for all of this ? Margaret Thatcher once said of Socialism ” It works well until you run out of other peoples money”. This country is not a bottomless well of funds, and you can only tax the American people so much, something is bound to give. Countries have gone to war with each other for much less.
    Is there a solution ? There is, but not one that would be embraced by either black or brown or white “takers”. Work requirements or actual looking for work that MUST be documented, drug testing for recipients, and most importantly a TIME LIMIT on benefits.
    The unemployed are denied additional benefits after a certain period of time (although the dems are happy to keep extending it ). Institute those three things and watch the dependency numbers fall. Could it be done ? It could. However with the current attitude of our politicians , where keeping you seat in Congress is more important than listening to those who voted you in, it’ll not happen. Term limits and short ones for sure is the answer to that. Are all these things achievable ?
    Not with the situation that exists today.Drastic and hard measures are going to be required. Could come to a shooting war,hope that’s not the case, but no one in power is listening. When you have a child, a dog or anything else that needs disciplined , words are often not enough.Hard times call for hard measures.
    Semper Fi, Molon Labe & Para Bellum

    • hoss50cal

      you need one more rule added that they cant keep poping out kids for more benefits what ever kids you start with that all you get if they have another kid that’s just too bad

      • William Fejka

        Yep, forgot that one, & it is a good one to include.
        Thanx

  • docwilly

    Dems have been screwing the blacks forever.Must be they like the DEM plantation

  • I may be wrong, but I’m willing to take that chance for my country & anyone who’s willing to listen. I believe oblamo is doing all this and egging it on for one reason. It’s already painfully obvious, even to the stupidest among us, that he is trying to bring this country to its knees. Heck, he even told us this several times in some of his speeches. My fear is that he is doing a far better job of it, more subtly than ever and even the most intelligent people I know have not picked up on it. Look around you. For the last 5 decades, we have been a divided country, slowly becoming more and more tolerant of one another (with some exceptions of course), racism was losing its edge, some blacks were beginning to accept the fact that “Whitey” ain’t so bad after all, and vice versa. Then along comes obutthole and his she-boon. Add about 50 million illegals to the mix to get the citizens stirred up, proclaim them legal with all the inherent rights of natural born American citizens, throw in a few terrorists here & there, place some muslims (who we’ve been at war with for over a decade) into high government cabinet positions, and suddenly all Americans are at each others throat over one treasonous act or another. While we all watch our backs fearful of each other, we lose the big picture, (who is really the enemy). The whole time, our government is being infiltrated with the enemy, and I don’t just mean oblamo. Look at his appointees and ask yourself if this is not all just a big subterfuge to hide his true intentions. If he can divide this nation to this extent in this short time, we are all screwed!
    I know some people will not give this a second thought, but I wanted to put my 2 cents worth in. God bless America again.

    • EL

      You’re NOT wrong!

  • adrianvance

    Never happen. You can fool some of the people all of the time.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for facts, ideas and more.

  • jon

    Dems are now the party of the mexicans and the muslims, too bad if you are white or black, sucks to be you.

  • ONLYJB1

    Just a little more truth oozes forth. I sure hope the right people are reading or that others will help spread the truth! The only problem I see with this article is the fact that it won’t be the Republican party that will help these people, it will be the New Conservative Republican Party.

  • SPOTSOTW@GMAIL.COM

    I want to say it, I have been saying this for 50 + years. It has to be that the blacks are so stupid they cannot see their hand in front of their face. Democrats. Hello blacks where were the slaves kept, down south, with the deep southern democrat slave owners. Here is history do you know that all of you blacks would not be in The USA, you all would be back in Africa. You see A Republican President, in fact the First Republican President Old Abe created The Emancipation Proclamation freeing all the slaves in The USA. The second part of his plan was to acquire land in Africa and send all you blacks back to Africa. Let me tell you why he wanted to do this, he felt that the black man was so mistreated for so long that the blacks would never get along with the whites. It seems he was correct. Well a guy named Booth screwed that up by killing Abe. OH by the way did I fail to mention that Booth was a dyed in the wool democrat southern slave owner and killed Abe because his freeing of the slaves completely got rid of all the working man power in the south, yes Blacks. These democrats have been pulling the wool over your eyes and lying to you for so long you can not see them screwing you every day any which way they can. Did you ever here of the underground railroad! I figured most of you haven’t. It was a system the northerners set up to sneak you guys from the south up to northern states where you would be free. These democrats have you guys bullshitted so bad you don’t know which way is up. You guys know there are black men and women out there some on the democrat side and some on the Republican side. The first thing the democrats do when a black works up the ladder and is Republican The first thing the democrats do is ostracize and criticize them AND TELL YOU BLACKS THAT THE BLACK REPUBLICANS ARE TRAITORS! I am kind of tired of talking it seems you guys are never going to learn never. Good Luck!

    • Stan Hoffman

      spotsotw, actually Lincolns emancipation proclamation did not free all the slaves. It was issued in 1862 that any southern state that ended the rebellion by 1 January 1863 would be allowed to do so. Any state that remained in rebellion would have their slaves in Confederate held territory set free during the war. Any slave in Northern occupied territory would remain a slave. It was issued as a tool to defeat the Confederacy. The 13th amendment of the Constitution was passed by the Senate on 8 April 1864, then passed by the House on 31 January 1865 gave the slaves in all the US their freedom during and after the war. The states ratified it and then Lincoln signed off on the amendment.

  • William Fisher

    I have read that blacks voted Republican before LBJ’s Great Society and War on Poverty and that is when blacks began voting for Democrats. It is like they were seduced by the Devil. And now, sadly, they are paying for it.

  • Lary Breeding

    Democrats have not delivered anything to black’s except more welfare and with that more dependence on Democrats. The Democrats are not stupid they know if they deliver real jobs to blacks they will lose them because then they will start thinking for themselves. Unfortunately, this article is preaching to the choir. Blacks will never read it as with other Conservative messages.

  • joe joe

    uneducated

  • Proud US vet/American

    Isn’t article just further proves the point that the DNC and its agenda are not about the welfare of citizen’s, but, it is more about advancing their “Marxist” agenda and keeping their voters burdened down with crime, low wages, anarchy, partisan politics and racial injustice and hatred. When “Black” American’s realize they are the unwilling pawns of the DNC and mean nothing more to them than a vote, them they will be able to take a step forward and truly gain some advances in America!
    Quit blaming the Republican’s and WHITE America, it is the DNC that is truly your enemy in America!

  • Paul Brown

    Most of your blacks are sick of the same thing on both sides of the aisle and no one is bothering to listen anymore. The blacks will continue to vote for another no matter what the party is going to do to them. They believe the party will stick by them and they have the best ideas. The black people has had the racist moniker thrown at them so much, they believe what the demons have to say. Big mouth Sharpton in NYC has been spewing the racist crap for so many years that it is drummed into their heads, and will continue to believe what is thrown out there. Very few blacks will ever listen to what a white person on the other side has to say.
    If the GOP doesn’t do something to stop the crap going on today, this country will not be worth saving anymore. They were handed things on a silver platter right now, and if they screw this up, as i see them doing it already, they will not get the chance to ever occupy that white house again.

  • Sylvester Jones

    So in other words they’re too dumb?

  • Joy Ocampo

    RACISM ISSUES, a destruction that always used ?

  • MARYSWEET

    The question is not HOW to get the blacks to get the message BUT WHY HAVEN’T THEY SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY FOR THEMSELVES? The dems have kept African Americans in the slave mode for eons. They keep them dependent on the government with welfare, low cost housing and tax payer healthcare. They need to start thinking for themselves and get out of the rut they are in. This is the land of opportunity and all they have to do is take the opportunity and work hard like the rest of us and they can do anything they want.

  • James Maxwell

    Never gonna happens as long as the RACE baiters continue to lie to them
    about how mistreated they are and the idiots believe it. Plus they would
    lose their food stamp, welfare and other government handouts. Then
    they would also have to take responsibility for their own action and be
    responsible for what happens to them in life. It would mean getting a job,
    paying taxes, pulling up their pants and learning how to speak in public
    without the profanity and using the “N” word. Not to mention staying in
    school and actually getting an education and possible going to college to
    improve their lot in life rather than depend upon “Masser” to provide for
    them. They have been held back by the Marxist Democrat party to use
    as cannon fodder in the elections while they are still being treated as
    slave, they just don’t have the shackle where you can see them.

  • Maggiemae

    We need strong black leaders that broke out of that mentality…people like Allen West, Ben Carson, Herman Cain. We need black singers, football, basketball, baseball players, actors, teachers, professors, doctors. We need ONE person to start a small group to start work on a coalition of bringing these young blacks out of the poverty rut they’re in. Teaching them that drugs, having babies, getting welfare and killing is not life…it’s just existence. The Demorats work hard at keeping as many blacks as possible back on the plantation. Until we have some strong black leaders speaking out in positive ways, nothing will ever change….nothing. If there is a coalition of blacks sending the same strong message, the Democraps will have a harder time calling them ‘Jim Crows’ which they do when it’s only one voice challenging them. There are millions of good, honest, hard working, love of family blacks out there. We just need to get their voices together as one.

  • marilyn

    TIME FOR BLACKS TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN RESPECT FOR THE LAWS,THEY ARE THE PROBLEM,COPS ARE NOT TO BE BLAMED FOR KEEPING THE PEACE,TRY ANOTHER EXCUSE LIKE THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT,CRAP

  • It’s time to require every mentally competent and physically able adult US citizen to vote and, hopefully, to be informed voters.

  • mtman2

    AS STATED= “Yes once black voters they see this conflict, the game is up for Democrats. It’s just a matter of when.”

    Only it has been the-media holding back the waters of truth in a dry and dusty land where the land cannot be fruitful ~!

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