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  • Absolutely. The sooner the better.

  • Donald Lindsey

    I am disable American Veteran and it piss me off that these illegals are receiving more money to live here on illegally than any disable Amercian, send their illegal asses back over sea and help the citizens of this nation, illegals are not citizens of America.

    • Munge

      Thanks for your service brother. I’m a disabled veteran too.

      • usncb

        ME TOO!! BROTHERS NAM 62-63

        • Munge

          Thanks for your service too brother.

      • Charles Girard

        Munge and Donald you both should be aware that all this BS started with Obama, no one else. He is the main culprit trying to stop Trump from getting anything done.

        • Munge

          I’ve been saying the same thing since President Trump won.

    • Obie Miller

      AMEN, Donald!

    • pappy450

      I was injured on the job and am 100% disabled myself. I have two hip replacements, a rod and screws in my back, and a rod and screws in my neck. These ILLEGALS receive more money and “benefits” then I will ever receive after being on the job for 20 years. Kind of the same thing as the WELFARE recipients in my communist state of N.Y. (and it took 10 years of court battles to get what little I get.) Send the “freeloaders” (and their “families”) back to where they came from, and give the disabled veterans, and people like myself THAT EARNED IT, a little MORE to live on.

      • Jeanne Stotler

        Stop the ” Anchor Babies,” ASAP, this is a farce, if you or I go to another country and have a child, that child is a American and birth is registered thru American Embassy, same should appky here and it would save millions of Dollars.

        • Matlonc

          dont forget chain migration- what a crock that is……

      • Munge

        I had to fight for over 12 years altogether since social security magicly lost my first claim 6 years in so I had to start over and it took another 6 years to finally get approved. I wound up with a lower monthly payment since I was already out 6 years and had no income for 3 of those years once workmans comp settled. My VA disability was 20% at date of discharge after the army was paid back the severance pay the VA knocked me down to 10% and said I had to prove it shouldn’t be knocked do wn. How the frig am I supposed to prove it shouldn’t be knocked down? Our government at it’s finest.

        • Earle Goodwin

          SS is a farce, of do nothing personnel, who push papers around, and bounce cases from one location to another. Try calling SS, and get one state office, and the next time another state office, it’s a game of looking for the pea under the cup. And they know it… SS needs a major house cleaning of lazy personnel.

          • Munge

            I’ve been there friend I know just how you feel. My favorite is waiting on hold for 90 minutes and a rep answers and then you get disconnected.

    • sftpl

      I appreciate your thoughts and concerns but you must be able to see the problems that arise when considering adults living, working, paying taxes, raising families who have been here since early childhood being rounded up and sent to some strange land. The economic impact has been found to be huge and the social impact almost as large. The taxes that come from them are quite consequential and the responsibilities that many of them handle are also significant.
      I am glad that the responsibility to come up with an answer is not up to me considering the arguments for both sides is considerable. What is known for sure, though, is that rounding them up and putting them on a bus south is not the answer.

      • Knowledge Transfer

        It is the answer. All we need do is announce the JUST decision, those who are here illegally will go back to where they came from. Start worrying more about those in America who are being abused by the invaders. Those who have been here the longest must be those who leave first. Or you and your ilk can adopt them in perpetuity at you full expense without any taxpayer support. It’s called SPONSORS PAY. If you feel so strongly about committing the sovereign suicide of open and porous borders with Mexico, pay for it!

        • Chris Soria

          I agree!

        • sftpl

          The jobs performed by a very significant percentage of undocumented workers are those that American workers will not take. Since an undocumented worker is subject to the same prices for housing, food, taxes, gasoline, clothing etc as those faced by citizens, the undocumented worker is faced with the same problems of living on the wages that they receive as you would be if you held that job. If you want it go get it. The fact that you are an American citizen does not mean that anyone is going to pay you more or provide for you (outside of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or any other of the public safety nets) simply because of that fact. You can complain all you want but that does not change the fact that you are competing with both citizens and non-citizens for jobs. If you are not into picking strawberries you better keep a competitive edge because the kids of the undocumented workers, most of whom are citizens because they were born here, are busting their asses to improve themselves and getting educated so they can compete in the job market that does not involve agriculture. It is the immigrant and the first generation that has made immeasurable contributions to making the nation what it is. Years ago, all you had to do was to show up at Ellis Island to get processed and documented. The border was, for all intents, open (unless you were Jewish and escaping being murdered by the Nazis, then you were sent back). The children of the undocumented workers are doing the same thing and it is good for the country as a whole. There are other criteria for success other than being white and a citizen. If that’s all you’ve got then you would have problems anywhere you went.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Move them all in with you at your perpetual expense without any taxpayer support. Why is it that “open and porous borders” is one of the classic forms of historical sovereign suicide?

          • sftpl

            My ancestry is Irish. It was not long ago that “Irish Need Not Apply” signs hung in businesses looking for workers. They pulled the mules out of the Erie Canal when there was a cave in before worrying about the buried Irish. The mules had value.
            How many generations do you have to go back before you discover that YOUR ancestors were the Mexicans of their day?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            I am also of Irish decent. My ancestors of Irish decent DID NOT BREAK INTO THIS COUNTRY AND DEMAND CITIZENSHIP. They were fully vetted and tracked BEFORE gaining citizenship king of like being tested in school. Nevertheless, you again you refuse to answer the two SPONSORS SHOUL PAY questions? Why do you refuse?

          • sftpl

            If you have questions you should ask them. Looking back I do not see where you have posed any.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Many questions were asked. None were answered. Here’s one that was asked repeatedly. So let me aski it again to cure your convenient amnesia. If you care so much about ILLEGAL ALIENS, why don’y you volunteer and then advertise to all illegals that they can come and nest with you in PERPETUITY at your personal expense WITHOUT taxpayer support?

            Now just a few more…Kate Steinle was murdered by Jose Garcia Zarate who was arrested for 7 previous felonies and five previous deportations in San Francisco [a confederate sanctuary city] who Zarate admitted was a beacon for drawing him there. He was convicted of unlawful [ILLEGAL] possession of a gun – the gun he used to kill Ms. Steinle. If this ILLEGAL ALIEN had been kept out of this country initially and wasn’t let back in and protected by the insolent and insubordinate Marxist myrmidons in San Francisco, Kate Steinle would likely be alive today and would not have been murdered by an ILLEGAL ALIEN?

            Sergio Jose Martinez who had been deported to Mexico 20 times pleaded guilty in an Oregon courtroom [Oregon is a Commie Sanctuary state] to: first degree burglary; first degree sodomy, first degree sexual abuse; second degree assault; attempted first degree sexual abuse and second degree assault. On the same day as this evil, this animal pleaded guilty to multiple charges after attacking 2 women and was sentenced to 35 years in prison. Hardly just punishment.

            Why don’t you make yourself available to Zarate and Martinez so we can film it and then give them a reduced sentence for making a righteous example out of you? The tape would win an Oscar for the applause it would receive. Will you volunteer for such availability or should we just force it on you?

      • Herb1949

        they knew they were here illegally, screw them.

      • Rattlerjake

        It’s actually pretty simple. They don’t need to be deported, they simply need to be told they have a certain amount of time (IE: 60 days) to get their affairs in order and figure out where OUTSIDE of the US they want to live. It is NOT the United States’ fault that these people are being displaced, it is their parents fault – BLAME THEM!!!!

        All other illegals need to be deported and told that if they are found on US soil illegally again, they will be tried, convicted, and then shot. If just one or two are executed, illegal entry will magically stop!

        • sftpl

          Maybe we should behead them. Maybe you could do it. All you need is a flowing black costume with a black head wrap that only shows you eyes and a great big sword. You could put it on youtube.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Move them in with you at your perpetual personal expense without 1 red cent of taxpayer support!

          • sftpl

            If you want to be fiscally responsible then fight the Trump tax fraud and stop worrying about pennies going to help people.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            When charity is coerced, it stop being charity and becomes theft!

          • sftpl

            There weren’t any lines for Irish coming in from Canada.
            All of the horrible characteristics that you attribute to everyone who is undocumented are equally common in our own citizenry. My next door neighbor has all of those and a couple more. The real promoter of those ideas is Mr Trump but if you think he’s not a liar then tell me about it while we sit on his wall or wonder what we’re going to do now with the ACA repealed. Allowing people, citizens or not, to be desperately malnourished and destitute on our streets is unacceptable. That’s not who we are They are here and that is an undeniable fact.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Irrelevant; Imbecilic and historically deprived comparisons.
            Did your “Irish” ancestors sneak into the USA or did they
            stand in line and go through “vetting” at Ellis Island and thereafter
            with other vetting proofs of worthiness. Where did you steal your
            law degree or did you receive it at the University of Sovereign Saboteur?

          • sftpl

            I have no idea where my ancestors entered the country but I’m pretty sure that it was not through Ellis island. I believe that the time frame was right around the Civil War. I do not have a law degree nor did I claim to have one.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You lie because you are a liar! 12 days ago in one of your concocted rants you wrote to LM61: “Actually I am a licenced attorney”. If you were an attorney 12 days ago, what happened? Were you disbarred? Or are you lying about being a lawyer because you are lieyer?

          • sftpl

            Please show me where I supposedly did this. I have never claimed to be an attorney on this site or anywhere else.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            See the post shown. Your post to LM61 which you say to LM61: “Actually, I am a licensed attorney”.

          • sftpl

            This allegedly happened when? Are you claiming that it is within this article’s comments? If on another, which one? The reason that I ask is that I am not an attorney and I don’t sling BS in my comments. I go to serious lengths to verify my comments with multiple sources. There is enough nonsense and crap on this site without me contributing to it.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You keep asking the same dimwitted question about where you said that you were an attorney. I already answered it so let me yet again refer you to your own words…your previous post to LM61 as shown above .

            Now I understand your penchant for deceitful convolutional reasoning… You were educated by “The Society of Judas” also known as “Soldiers of Satan” the “jesuits” [small “j” only]. 28 lower level universities mocking Roman Catholic certitudes spreading doubt and confusion and acting as evil enemies within. They don’t educate they indoctrinate. You as one of their perverted teachings are evidence and proof. They fall all over themselves SOOTHING grave publicly celebrated sins like: artificial contraception; abortion; sodomy; illegal immigration; wealth redistributionist theft; and the granddaddy of them all Communism renamed and relabeled as LIBERATION THEOLOGY. Jesuits teach that man is God thus using their fouled presence to advance their Godless; soulless; life hating; family destroying reason for being. Their motto used to be “set the world on fire” which now means “burn the world down”. Find me just one of the 28 jesuit universities that DON’T wallow in their unbridled support for the anathemas like those cited above.

            Look no further than Jorge Bergoglio better known as POPE PANDEMONIUM a jesuit Joker.

          • sftpl

            You’re an idiot. You couldn’t qualify for admittance to a Jesuit University . It is obvious from your thought patterns as expressed in your writing, your unwillingness to question and lack of curiosity that admittance could possibly result in enough damage to your self confidence to be judged unethical. You know even less about Jesuits than you do about everything else upon which you choose to comment.
            Please tell me if you would. Why are you responding to me?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            A). I wouldn’t qualify for a Janus-faced Society of Judas jesuit [samall “j” ] university because I don’t: love hate; pamper perversion; pacify perverts; spread convolution; spawn confusion; applaud apostasy; herald heresy and because I refuse to condone theft; baby butchering; saluting fecal matter laced sodomy and its hydra-headed siblings like “felching” whereby one male homo pervert ejaculates into the rectum of another male homo pervert followed thereafter by the ejaculating homo sucking out his own ejaculate together with the rectal ooze et al from the receiving homo’s rectum B). You surely must know why I respond since there are many examples of your reckless blabber to me and my responses back you brain addled memory vacant moron!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Liar!

      • usmcltc

        Now, cry me a river! All of the rationalization by liberals for allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the OUR county will not change the fact that they should NOT be here in the first place. The problems that these illegals (dreamers) face are the result of their parents making the decision to enter our country illegally and bring their children with them. THEY (the parents) are to blame for their children’s sad situation, NOT us. The children (average age of 24) are now facing the consequences of their parent’s illegal actions years ago. They should blame their parents, NOT us U.S. citizens, for not wanting to reward them with citizenship.

        • sftpl

          No one is offering citizenship (not since Ronald Reagan). All that the dreamers are hoping for is to be allowed to continue with the only lives that they know without having to keep looking over their shoulder for the ICE agents.

          • usmcltc

            You are right, to a point. However, the liberals want to give all illegal immigrants, including dreamers, a “path” to citizenship. A “path” to citizenship already exists, and it is called “legal”. These dreamers, who average 24 years of age, should ask their parents WHY they put them in their current position by bringing them into the U.S. illegally, rather than LEGALLY. When liberals start thinking with their heads rather than their hearts, maybe they might see WHY these illegals should be sent back to the countries from where they came and given priority for reentering the U.S. LEGALLY.

          • sftpl

            Liberals do consider facts when they make decisions. That is anathema to conservatives whose only goal is to try to return to the 1950’s. Liberals, meaning those who are in contact with reality and who understand and consider consequences understand that the economic impact of mass deportations would be fiscally disastrous.
            A path to citizenship is something that will eventually become meaningless as parents of DACA children are dying off while children that were born here ARE citizens. The children of DACA members are also citizens. These citizens have every right that YOUR children have. The incorporation into American society is irreversible and to attempt it is a distraction from what really needs to be done to move this country forward.

          • usmcltc

            There is one fact that liberals chose to ignore when discussing illegal immigrants. That is, the FACT that illegal immigrants are in our country ILLEGALLY. Another fact that liberals are so proud of is that they love to protect illegal immigrants, including criminals, in sanctuary cities.
            There are legal and illegal ways to enter our country, a fact! Rewarding those who chose to enter ILLEGALLY does not benefit our population or country, as it just encourages MORE illegals to try and enter our country. Is that what you want, more illegals in our country?
            Fact: DACA “children” (average age of 24) are NOT citizens and should not be in the U.S. in the first place. And, yes the children born in the U.S. are citizens, but that should be changed. The forefathers did not mean this to apply to immigrant women coming into the U.S. to have a baby (anchor baby). They meant this to apply so that children of slaves were automatically citizens. See the difference?
            Another fact: The Democrats could care less about illegal immigrants, if they thought that these people would vote for conservatives.
            It is ironic that the Democrats are threating to shut down our government over a group of people who are NOT EVEN citizens. What does that tell you about the Democrats?

          • sftpl

            You’re right. I don’t give a damn about undocumented workers in the US. They are being abused and coerced into doing the absolutely horrible jobs that Americans would never do but need to be done to assure the rest of us a continuance of our current life styles. They do not deprive me of my income. They do not threaten my family or neighborhood. I respect what they are trying to do and understand that they don’t have much choice.
            On the other hand, I fight continuously against those who ARE trying to deprive me of my income and who do threaten myself and my family. They are not the powerless undocumented worker, they are those who are in the highest towers of power. It is the mega wealthy, working through their bought and paid for republican congressional people who work ceaselessly to relegate both you and me to positions of “bill payers”. They demand huge tax cuts that take money from you and me and pass it onto them who have no need for it but simply want it.
            What your comments tell me is that you have been dazzled by the shiny objects to the extent that you totally miss the fact that you are being butt f**ked by the guys who are telling you that YOU must pay because freedom isn’t free (unless you have more money than you know what to do with).

          • usmcltc

            I am not so surprised that you “don’t give a damn about undocumented (illegal) workers in the US”, as you are a sorry excuse for a US citizen. Why do I say that, because you obviously care more about illegal immigrants than you care about our own citizens. Great attitude!

            By the way, they are NOT being abused and coerced into doing the “horrible jobs” that Americans would never do. These illegal immigrants CHOSE to do these jobs which could be done by native born Americans, IF they were paid a fair wage. But, that will never happen as long as people like you approve of illegal immigrants coming into and remaining in OUR country which drives wages down, so ONLY illegals are willing to do those jobs.

            You say that illegal immigrants do not deprive me of my income, you are luck. But, recent reports reflect that 50% of all recent immigrants, legal and illegal, are on some sort of welfare. I guess that you don’t mind your tax dollar (if you even pay taxes) to go to immigrants who can not make a living without government support. Did I get that right?

            Your rant about “republican congressional people” seems to ignore the fact that it is the Democrats who want to raise taxes. That is why they are called the “tax and spend party”. I fail to see the rationalization of your comment, “They demand huge tax cuts that take money from you and me and pass it onto them who have no need for it but simply want it.” How does that work? A huge tax cut takes money from you and me? Pass it (whatever “it” is) onto them who have not need for it…”. Where is the logic behind this ridiculous comment?

            I especially like this one, “… you have been dazzled by the shiny objects (what are those “shiny objects?) to the extent that you totally miss the fact that you are being butt f**ked by the guys who are telling you that YOU must pay because freedom isn’t free…”. By the way, freedom IS NOT free. I paid my part for freedom by spending 20 years in the Marine Corps defending YOUR right to have your opinion without repercussions from posting trash comments reflecting that opinion. And, what have you done to protect our freedom?

            Come on back when you can state factual comments, not liberal infused rantings.

          • sftpl

            Is it the Democrats that are proposing the Trump tax plan? To say that Democrats want to raise taxes requires qualification. They ARE in favor of raising taxes on the top 1% as, proportionally, they are not paying their fair share. They do not have any intention or ambition to increase taxes among the middle class and poor which is one of the main features of the Trump plan. The scumbag republicans want to eliminate my state tax deduction and my mortgage interest deduction to pay for a tax cut for Charles and David Koch. Are you all excited and reaching for your checkbook over that prospect? I know how pressed that billionaires get when they have to deal with inheritance tax. How much will your kids have to pay on the excess over $15,000,000 that you leave them?
            There is no logic behind the statement that I made yet the republicans are doing it anyway. The “it” that you questioned is MONEY.
            I am much happier paying for food and shelter for a child of undocumented workers than to give it to the Mercer family or Sheldon Adelson. If you interpret that as being unAmerican then you can say that you have communicated with a genuine unAmerican.

          • usmcltc

            “…they are not paying their fair share.” I have heard this liberal talking point for years, like only Republicans are RICH. Give me a break! Who pays the taxes, the “poor”? The top 20% pay 84% of the income tax. What do the remaining 80% pay? 48% of the people pay zero (0) federal taxes, but they still have the same privileges as those people who DO pay federal taxes. Don’t talk to me about “fair share”, as even the liberals can not tell you WHAT that is.

            The scumbag republicans want to eliminate my state tax deduction and my mortgage interest deduction to pay for a tax cut for Charles and David Koch. Are you getting a little emotional and less rational now? Your comment about eliminating the state tax is irrelevant to me, as in Nevada, we have NO state taxes. It is not my fault that you live in the “what else can we tax” state of New York. As to you incorrect comment about eliminating your mortgage interest deduction, you fail to mention that it would “limit mortgage interest deductions to $500,000 on newly purchased homes”. Get that, limit your mortgage interest deduction to $500,000. Are YOU paying more than $500,000 in mortgage interest? I think not or we would not be having this conversation.
            You are right, as I do interpret your comments as un-American, and you should be ashamed for supporting persons who break our laws and spouting liberal talking points that are just NOT true.

          • sftpl

            The “shiny objects” is a reference to rattling keys in front of a baby as a distraction. In your case it was the horror stories that they kept coming up with on Faux Snooze about the unspeakable carrying ons practiced by liberals, progressives and those left of center. That stuff becomes addictive and all you want is more. If you hear something contrary you stop listening because they are calling lies what you know to be absolutely true because you heard it on Faux Snooze over and over again.
            The transfer of wealth is accomplished by reducing the commitment of the super rich to support the society that they solicit. These commitments take the form of taxes. The Trump tax scam delivers massive tax breaks for the very wealthy along with changes in the tax code that result in even more cuts.

            “how can they do that”, you say. Well, remember “deep throat” during the Watergate hearings? He said, “follow the money”. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s not flowing towards you and me. The current congress, totally controlled by republicans, is perpetrating the largest transfer of wealth in the nations history. The money is coming from the middle class in form of tax increases and huge reductions in services and so-called entitlement programs

            As a retired member of the Marine Corps I’m sure that you are greatly relieved knowing that your children won’t have to pay inheritance (republicans call it “the death tax”) on the assets you’ll be leaving them in excess of $15,000,000.

            You’ll be in pretty lofty company. You’ll see the Koch brothers, the Mercer family, the De Vos family, Sheldon Adelson and so many others, you know, folks just like you. That repeal will save them BILLIONS in taxes that pay the nation’s bills. The only other resource available is the good old middle class who really don’t need social security, after all, the free market is the key to wealth. Same pretty much goes for Medicare too. Don’t suppose that being retired military that that bothers you directly. Have you heard that they’re looking at cutting back on the VA?

            What I do to promote freedom is to continue trying to inspire the various Visigoths I meet on this site to research some of the subjects we “discuss” if nothing more than to try and prove I’m wrong.

            Does it make sense to defend and support those who care the least for you?

          • usmcltc

            “The money is coming from the middle class in form of tax increases and huge reductions in services and so-called entitlement programs”. Simply not true!

            I really like your last comment, “Does it make sense to defend and support those who care the least for you?”. When you support the liberal cause, you support that group that have kept blacks in poverty and slavery for years, and only care about your vote. To liberals, you vote for them, or they do not care if you live or die.

            Reading your comments, it is apparent that you are a really sad person who is living a terrible life.

      • curmudgeon VN Veteran

        The B.S. tossed out that it’s through “No fault of their own” is garbage. They still are NOT here in America legally. Nice to have such warm and fuzzy feelings, but still does not make it so. How many are you able and willing to support?

        • sftpl

          The fact is that regardless of their legal status they are here. People who are here and here for an extended period of time who are prohibited from participating in the society and economy of which they are members do serious damage to both. The problem is not going to be solved or even helped by trying to make the situation for these people even worse than it is. They are not going to be rounded up and sent somewhere either. That is simply not going to happen in spite of all the clamor to do so. Anything that can be done to expand participation in society or the economy by these people is a positive step for the whole.

          • usmcltc

            “The fact is that regardless of their legal status they are here.” That says it all! You are willing to disregard the law in favor of rewarding people who broke our immigration laws. You should be ashamed and are apparently not a very good “law abiding” American.

            Your rational for allowing these illegal immigrants to remain in our country flies in the face of those immigrants who came to our country LEGALLY. What do you say to those people who waited for years to enter our country legally, rather than successfully sneak across our border undetected or over stayed their visas? Oh, I know, you liberals will protect and fight for them, IF they vote for you, right?

          • sftpl

            Yes I am willing to ignore the law that says that undocumented people are here illegally. SO WHAT? Are the republicans going to round them up? Are they doing that now? If they’re not doing it now, which they aren’t, then WHY?
            The answer to the WHY question is that they don’t care either. They only want YOU to care. They want you to care so much that you become blind to the fact that they are taking the health care away from millions of your fellow citizens, they are trying to cut your grandparents’ income and healthcare by screwing with Social Security and Medicare. They are colluding with Russia because Russia has been Trumps financier for the last 15 years but don’t let that bother you because there is a Mexican picking lettuce that doesn’t have a green card.
            Open your eyes!

          • usmcltc

            Question: How do you deport illegal immigrants? Answer: One at a time!

            Are the republicans going to round them up? Are they doing that now? If they’re not doing it now, which they aren’t, then WHY?

            Well sftpl, Deportation orders have jumped 31 percent this year compared to last year, according to numbers released by the Justice Department.

            The numbers, released Tuesday, are an indication President Trump is carrying out his pledge to get tough on illegal immigrants.

            From February 1 to the end of July, there were 57,069 illegal immigrants who were either deported or left voluntarily. That’s a 31 percent increase from the same time period last year, when there were 43,595 deportations or self-deportations.
            That should answer your question.

          • usmcltc

            “…you become blind to the fact that they are taking the health care away from millions of your fellow citizens…”. Please explain HOW the Republicans are doin this. I must have missed something.
            How are the Republicans trying to “cut your grandparents’ income (who are dead)?
            How are the Republicans trying to screw with Social Security and Medicare? I must have missed this one too.
            Where is the evidence that the Republicans colluded with the Russians to influence the election. Flash: Even Pelosi says that she has seen NO evidence to support this allegation.
            I don’t care who picks my lettuce, as long as he/she is legal.
            It is amazing how some liberals shout liberal talking points like they are FACT. Wonders never cease, when it comes to liberals.

          • sftpl

            Eliminating the help in paying insurance premiums for economically challenged people means that they have to cancel their coverage. That’s how the repubs deprive citizens of health insurance coverage. They are trying to do this any way that they can in spite of them not being able to repeal the entire plan including putting it in the current tax scam.
            Cutting income for seniors is easy. They have proposed increasing the age to qualify for Soc Sec to 68 and to eliminate or reduce COLA increases. Not very good news for those on a fixed income or for those who do physical work and have worn themselves out by 65. They can control both Soc Sec and Medicare by messing with the funding. That’s easy if you control the White House and both branches of congress.
            The evidence that there has been serious interference with our election and that Trump and the boys colluded is presented at least a dozen times a day on every network other than Faux. It is extensive and compelling with a rapidly growing list of indicted Trumpies and those who can’t say enough to Robert Mueller to try to stay out of prison.
            Nancy Pelosi indicated that she had not seen evidence of collusion back in March. Today and after all the evidence turned up since March it is a different story. She is convinced that the alleged collusion did, in fact, take place multiple times with multiple participants.
            Here’s a huge fact that YOU need to consider. You are cutting yourself short by not reading information on these subjects from sources other than those put out by ultra conservatives. Faux Snooze is not a reliable source of accurate information. It has been shown over and over again that this is the case. Coming out with statements that are known to be and proven to be false does not do much for your image.

          • usmcltc

            “Eliminating the help in paying insurance premiums for economically challenged people means that they have to cancel their coverage.”

            The deal is that by eliminating the mandate, approximately 15 million Americans will choose to let their insurance policies expire. Because they never wanted to buy health insurance in the first place and were only doing it because it made more sense than to simply throw hundreds of dollars at the IRS on April 15. But now that they’re free and clear to drop their policies, they probably will. This allows the government to save billions in subsidies that it would have otherwise had to hand to the insurance companies so those companies could afford to insure these individuals at – cough, cough – affordable rates. This is how the Obamacare scam worked…if you want to call a system that deranged “working.”

            The idea of forcing Americans to buy health insurance was a ludicrous, anti-freedom one to begin with, and it was always one of the most unpopular aspects of the Affordable Care Act. Unfortunately for those who actually liked the law, it may have been a necessary one. Without that mandate, the death spiral is likely to spin into acceleration, finally delivering us from this terrible health law once and for all.

          • sftpl

            You are the victim of a great big lie. The people who will lose their coverage will lose it because they will be unable to pay the full premiums themselves not because of the mandate. I quote: The ACA forbids levies, liens, and criminal prosecution related to collection of the shared responsibility (individual mandate) penalty.

            Anyone who “was forced” into coverage because they were afraid of a penalty is not too bright. The penalty would be a mere fraction of the annual premium and can only be enforced if you are owed a tax return.
            The second big lie is that the insurance “free market” will make everything fair and affordable because of competition. Have you ever seen that happen? I sure haven’t.
            The first big solution is to get the insurance industry out of the picture completely which isn’t going to happen given the current distribution of governmental power.
            The ACA is terrible because you have heard that it was over and over and over again without really understanding the details. The long and short is that there are now more Americans that are able to access health care than ever before in the history of the country.

          • usmcltc

            Talk about a “great big lie”. No one will LOSE their coverage, as it will now be a personal decision, rather than government mandated, to have or not have health insurance. You apparently make the assumption that, under Obamacare, people can afford the ever increasing cost of insurance and afford the high coinsurances and deductibles. This may be a false assumption. I do not see how your quote applies to anything.
            No one was “forced” into getting coverage, as it was a choice between getting health insurance or pay a tax (fine).
            The assumption that the insurance “free market” will make everything fair and affordable is a myth. Obamacare took care of the insurance companies so that they would support it. But, when the government cut off supporting the insurance companies with federal funds, what happened? The insurance companies started leaving Obamacare, and the death spiral started.
            You are right that Obamacare allowed more people to have health insurance, and the people who joined the Medicaid ranks and those people that have us taxpayers paying for some of their premiums LOVE Obamacare. That was nothing more than a “transfer of wealth”, as money was taken from those who pay taxes to provide health care for those who can’t afford it.
            As a medical billers for two medical practices for a number of years, I can tell you that having medical insurance is not the answer to all of our problems. Every person that I turned to collections HAD insurance for not paying their copays, coinsurance or deductibles. I NEVER had to turn over anyone who did not have insurance, because they paid a reduced amount in cash, at time of service.

          • sftpl

            Obama was forced to include the insurance market in the ACA because, as difficult as it was, it would have been impossible to have accomplished anything had he gone for a single payer program that everyone knows is the best system by far and has been proven to be so in every other industrialized nation in the world. As long as a for-profit business is included in health care the problems that you site will persist.
            People lost coverage because the ACA set standards of coverage that must be met within a health insurance policy. I really don’t believe that anyone knew the number of junk policies that were out there that could not meet those standards. I am very familiar with insurance am appalled even by the minimum standards of the ACA. I can’t imagine an insurance company writing a less inclusive policy or state Departments of Insurance from approving them for sale within the various states but both the companies and the states did exactly that.
            The Obama plan and the subsequent ACA has insured millions who had never had access to health care. Its popularity was seen by the republicans when they tried to repeal it. You are still free to disagree but you’ll in the minority

          • usmcltc

            Just about everyone will agree that the high cost of healthcare is due to the insurance companies determining the cost of policies, the copays, the coinsurance (%) and the deductibles. However, Obama never addressed these concerns, and in fact, gave the insurance companies a sweet deal to support Obamacare. But, when the good times ended, what did the insurance companies do? They started bailing out of Obamacare AND raising policy premiums for starters. The fact is that Obamacare can not survive and is a death spiral. That should not be a surprise, since the Democrats rammed the bill through the House and the Senate without even knowing what was in the bill that was eventually signed into law by Obama.

            I hear liberals scream about a single payer system being the only answer. However, you should ask my fellow vets how they like the Veterans Administration Healthcare System. You might get an answer that this “single payer” system MIGHT NOT be the answer.

            Take Sweden, which has been cited as having a successful single payer system. They pay a flat 32% tax and employers pay a 31.42% social fee. Combined they pay 48.3% in taxes. They also pay 7% pension contribution to the public system (?). In addition, Sweden has a 25% Value Added Tax (VAT) on most things. Food and hotel rooms (?) have a 12% VAT. Tickets to entertainment venues have a 6% VAT. Keep in mind that the population of Sweden is 9.90 million as compared to the population of the U.S. which is currently 325.47 million. Sweden’s population is 3.0% of the population of the U.S.. I think it would take a lot more people with a lot more problems to administer a single healthcare system for 325.47 people than 9.9 people. We now have Medicare, Medicaid and the Veterans Administration, all operating under their own management and they can’t do a very good job now. What do you think would happen if we threw all of them together, plus the remaining population? Scary isn’t it?

            So, the individual pays a direct tax of 32% PLUS 7% to the pension fund PLUS 25% VAT on most items. That adds up to the individual paying 64% in taxes, pension, and VAT. Or to put it in U.S. terms, if one makes $100,000 a year, he would pay $64,000 (estimate) in taxes, leaving $36,000 discretionary spending. Is this what YOU want?

          • sftpl

            The insurance companies were kept as carriers of health insurance because introducing a single payer system when the health care bill came up would have been a non-starter as republicans would have gone crazy. A single payer system would run the same as Medicare. That means that the savings would be the difference between the cost of operations for private, for-profit insurance companies (~34%) and the cost of running Medicare (~3.5%). Who says that the government can’t manage a program! This scenario, though, would irritate the recipients of that 30% difference to the extent that they may not contribute to the re-election funds of their republican toadies. Their choice is the contributors – NOT YOU.
            If you want to understand the impact of the ACA just google the protests seen by republican lawmakers when they tried to repeal it.
            Sweden has a political/social system that works very well for Sweden. They also don’t spend 1/3 of their revenue on defense. Some of their policies could work quite well in the US and others would not. Sweden, in the meantime, is progressing along just fine as far as I know.

          • usmcltc

            You say, ” A single payer system would run the same as Medicare.” That is what scares me. You also say, “Who says that the government can’t manage a program!” Ask my fellow vets about how they feel about the care provided by the Veterans Administration.

            Facts: There are 55,504,005 currently on Medicare and the current population of the U.S. is 325,506,195. To put everyone on Medicare would mean an increased workload of 486.5% to cover the additional 270,002,190 people added to Medicare. How MUCH would that cost the government?

            In addition, would the people now on Medicaid still get FREE healthcare if changed to Medicare, or would they be required to pay the $109 – $134 premium costs that people currently on Medicare now pay?
            Do the people who currently receive subsidies still get subsidies if enrolled in Medicare?
            How are people who have paid into Medicare all of their working lives treated as compared to someone who is just starting their work career and have paid NOTHING into Medicare?

            You cite the “saving” concerning the cost of operations. You cite “34% and “3.5%”, but what are these percentages of? If you think that the government can run anything at a savings, you are kidding yourself. When I worked in the Pentagon, I was told to slow down as the “boss” might start to expect that from everyone.

          • sftpl

            Short on time so I’ll be brief. The cost to run medicare runs from 3 to 4%. The cost to operate a for-profit insurance company is in the range 34 to 37%. This being the case, Medicare, as a non profit, paying set payrolls, and with the same or better systems than the standard market, is able to put out very reliable service.

            When I look at the Veterans Administration my only frame of reference comes from the reaction to the attempt to disband it. The uproar from all of the Veterans groups was deafening. Looks like a discrepancy between what you are seeing and feeling and that of the major Veterans organizations.

            The cost to the American taxpayer to provide universal single payer coverage would be a wash given fair taxing policies, proper controls on big pharma and a reigning in of the AMA. The tax increase for the middle class would be pretty close to what is currently being paid in health care premiums. The additional money needed would come from the wealthy who are not paying their fair share and from corporations who are certainly not paying theirs.

            There would be no $109 – $134 premium costs so that question is moot. There would be no subsidies either because there would be no premiums.

            Anyone who has worked and received a pay check has paid into Medicare to one extent or another. Some have paid more, some less. Put it behind you knowing that you will have no more premiums or co-pays.

            The percentages that I quoted comparing Medicare to the standard insurance market relate to the amount of funds that come into the program versus how much is left for benefit distribution after all the costs of running the program are taken out. Medicare crushes the standard market and it is due strictly to the absence of investor hands in the cookie jar.

            Government employees are not paid minimum wage because they are organized. If McDonald employees were organized they would not make minimum wage either.

            Too bad about your experience in the Pentagon. There are malingering creeps everywhere and I imagine that the military has its share of guys who are interested in a bed and 3 squares for a lifetime simply for showing up every day.

          • usmcltc

            Oh yes, Sweden. They pay a flat 32% in taxes plus a 7% contribution to retirement fund. That means that they pay 39% for their “free” stuff like healthcare. It they make $100,000 ( in U.S. dollars), they pay $39,000 in taxes, plus they have a 25% value added tax (VAT). So, if you by a car for $35,000 (in U.S. dollars), you pay an EXTRA VAT of $8,750. Now that car cost you $43,750. Great deal to have a one party system, right.
            You overlook one thing, and that is the SIZE of Sweden. Their population is 9.90 million people, as compared to our population of 325.5 million people. Apples and oranges. The people to be cover by a one party system in the U.S. is over 32 times more people than covered in Sweden. Talk about adding money and people to run a system that covers 325.5 million people as compared to the 55.5 million people now covered by Medicare.
            As usual, liberals are just not satisfied with correcting the current medical problems, but rather they want something else that socialist counties have at the expense of their citizens. And, they want this without even looking at the cost in $$$ and people.

          • usmcltc

            You are right that Obamacare dictated what services MUST be covered in each policy. Many, such as maternity coverage for an 80 year old woman, were not needed and would never be used but were; never the less, included in the “standards of coverage” in Obamacare. This drove the price of policies up, as you have to PAY for coverages. Those “junk” policies, as liberals like to call them, were not intended to cover everything. They were meant to cover catastrophic illnesses or injuries that otherwise bankrupt an individual or family. Obamacare took this option away, and MANDATED that EVERYONE get a policy that covered EVERYTHING that the Democrats thought you needed. The COST of the “everything covered” policy is why people lost their insurance coverage, they simply could not afford the increase in price, as the tax (fine) to NOT have coverage was more affordable.

            “The Obama plan and the subsequent ACA has insured millions who had never had access to health care.” I love this ever constant claim by the liberals. First, name those that you reference as “never had access to health care”. Everyone has had access to health care, as that is what ERs are for and hospitals like University Hospital here in Las Vegas that loses millions each year because of the illegal immigrants and people who can’t pay for services or procedures.
            You bet that there are many people who just love Obamacare. If you qualified and signed up for FREE Medicaid or had part of you premiums paid for with OTHER TAX PAYERS money, you would love Obamacare. If you noticed, Obamacare was based on the Democrats method of giving away FREE stuff. You know FREE Medicaid and FREE money to pay for part of your insurance premium.
            The Republican’s failure to repeal Obamacare was not because of its’ popularity, but rather failed because of certain RINOs like John McCain. But, their failure was the best thing that could have happened. If they had succeeded in repealing Obamacare, it would have taken the Democrats off of the hook for passing/signing Obamacare into law. As it stands now, the Democrats OWN Obamacare, lock stock and barrel.

          • sftpl

            Since insurance policies are not written from scratch for each individual that applies, you will find maternity coverage for men as well. Rates, however, ARE calculated on an individual basis meaning that there is no charge for maternity coverage for 80 year old women or men even though it is mentioned in the policy.
            You were lied to and you believed that underwriting included theses obviously unnecessary coverages in their rate calculations. Underwriters and insurance companies have been doing this for a long time and, even though a for-profit industry should not be involved in health care coverage, they know how to do it so that they remain competitive and the process that you describe is a straight shot to bankruptcy.
            Do you realize that YOU are paying the difference between the cost of a doctor visit vs that of an ER visit? That difference is 300 to 500%. That difference is covered by tax dollars either in the form of subsidies to the hospitals or through deductions taken by the medical industry for these losses. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”
            The repeal failed because it was a horrible idea and John McCain knew it. The rest of the republicans had thrown the American people to the dogs for the sake of the insanely rich and now they are paying the price. Did you watch the election results in Alabama last night? ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR. Elections cannot be won with a 37% approval of the republican White House and a 16% approval rating of a republican congress.
            Hate to be the one to tell you but your outlook on reality is in the minority by a long shot.
            We actually agree on a number of issues but I feel that you need to expand your information sourcing on the healthcare issue.

          • usmcltc

            Face it, something has to be done to save Social Security since the three trust funds were raided by Johnson when he transferred that money into the general fund to make the budget look “good”.

            You, as a liberal, have the nerve to reference the COLA by saying, “(Republicans want to) eliminate or reduce COLA increases. Just not true, but you forget to mention, “For just the third time in 40 years, millions of Social Security recipients, disabled veterans and federal retirees can expect NO increase in benefits next year, unwelcome news for more than one-fifth of the nation’s population. Thank you Mr. Obama!

          • sftpl

            There was no COLA in 2016 because the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers, CPI-W, as calculated by the Department of Labor, had gone down since January. The cause was structural. Since COLA stands for cost of living adjustment, without a change in the cost of living (actually a decrease) an increase could not be authorized. President Obama had nothing to do with it except in the eyes of the deceivers on Faux Snooze

            The latest COLA is 2.0 percent for Social Security benefits and SSI payments. Social Security benefits will increase by 2.0 percent beginning with the December 2017 benefits, which are payable in January 2018. Federal SSI payment levels will also increase by 2.0 percent effective for payments made for January 2018.

            Headlines such as “OUR PRESIDENT Just Announced EVERY Social Security Recipient Will Now Get THIS Much Monthly” are wrong. The Social Security Administration announced the changes for 2017 back in October, before Trump was elected president. The increase is an automatic cost-of-living adjustment.

            The simple solution to Social Security is to increase the max amount of payroll subject of Soc. Sec. payment to $500,000. Why should billionaires get an additional 15% tax break on everything that they earn over $128,400 when you and I have to pay on nearly every dollar we make.

            After “tax reform” the next target for Trump is Soc Sec and Medicare. Source something other than Faux and you will find dozens of articles and they all agree that that is what we have to look forward to.

          • usmcltc

            I am well aware how the COLA is calculated; however, that does not change the fact that we have had NO COLA increases for three years under the Obama administration. That is three years out of the last 40, but, of course, liberals will say it is not Obama’s fault. Go figure!
            I am also aware that my Social Security, my military retirement and my VA disability (60%) will all go up by 2.0% on Jan 1. Oh, by the way, thank you for YOUR contribution to my retirement pay and my VA disability, as it is greatly appreciated.
            Why put a max amount of payroll subject to tax of $500.000? Remove the limit and subject all payroll to the SS tax. I don’t know about you, but I DON’T taxes on “nearly every dollar we make”. Last year, I had itemized deductions of $16,303 and $8,100 exemption for a total of $24,403 in deductions. But, comparing my last year return with the tax revision plan, I would lose $4,041 in local sales tax deduction and property tax deduction. But, I would keep the mortgage interest deduction and would have a total deduction of $22,435. So, even with the interest deduction, I would be better off taking the standard deduction of $24,400 and not itemize.
            The Republicans have said numerous times that they do not plan on taking action on Social Security or Medicare; however, the liberal have become so used to repeating this talking point, that they refuse to acknowledge what the Republicans have said. Where is your proof that the Republicans want to “attack” Social Security and/or Medicare?

          • sftpl

            Here is a statement from Marco Rubio and it was echoed by Paul Ryan:

            Florida Senator Marco Rubio admits that the Republican tax cut plan, which benefits corporations and the wealthy, will require cuts to Social Security and Medicare to pay for it.

            To address the federal deficit, which will grow by at least $1 trillion if the tax plan passes, Congress will need to cut entitlement programs such as Social Security, Rubio told reporters this week. Advocates for the elderly and the poor have warned that entitlement programs would be on the chopping block, but this is the first time a prominent Republican has backed their claims.

            This is after both of them, along with all the other republican sheep, agreed to give away $1.5 TRILLION to the nation’s richest people at the expense of the 99%. Does this look like the republicans are looking after you and yours or after the insanely wealthy who want more and more who throw money at them?
            Here is the COLA increase chart since the Obama presidency.

            2000 3.5 2001 2.6 2002 1.4 2003 2.1 2004 2.7 2005 4.1
            2006 3.3 2007 2.3 2008 5.8 2009 0.0 2010 0.0 2011 3.6
            2012 1.7 2013 1.5 2014 1.7 2015 0.0 2016 0.3 2017 2.0

            The zero years, are due to the consumer price index and not Obama. He did not come up with the formula used to calculate COLA increases.

            I agree with you 100% in so far as having ALL earnings subject to Social Security tax. That would INCLUDE both long term and short term capital gains. Social Security would be awash with cash and problems with funding would be eliminated for good.

          • sftpl

            COLA, as its full name Cost of Living Adjustment, implies, adjusts the Social Security payments according to the Consumer Price Index increase or decrease. In years where the numbers do not meet the requirements there is no addition. On the other hand, if they exceed then there is an increase payment. Obama has nothing to do with it. Neither did Bush nor does Trump. Get over it. Bad shit in your life is not Obama’s fault.

          • usmcltc

            Why am I not surprised that you don’t hold Obama responsible for ANYTHING. Regardless of what YOU say, a COLA is not bad shit in MY live. We get a COLA of 2% next year, so my SS payment will go up $35.00 and my Medicare premium goes up $24.00, so I get an overall increase of $11.00 a month. THAT will really make life a lot better for me. Of course, I also get a 2% raise in my military retirement pay of $73.56 a month, but nothing withheld for Tricare For Life health insurance, as it is FREE. Also get a 2% COLA of $25.25 in my disability check, and it is TAX FREE. All total, I will get a monthly increase of $133.81 a month or $1,605.72 for the year. I can live with that.
            Oh, by the way, I forgot to thank you for your tax dollars that help pay my military retirement and my disability. Your tax dollars are well spent!

          • sftpl

            You’re welcome. I believe that that was well spent as well. None of the numbers that you mention here, though, have anything to do with Obama or Democratic legislation during his administration

          • usmcltc

            Have you ever heard the old saying, “I AM responsible, because it happened on MY watch”? It falls under the concept of “responsibility”, a concept that liberals have a hard time grasping. If what you say is correct, why did the liberals lean on the old worn-out saying, “It was Bush’s fault” for eight years while Obama was President?
            Remember, the actions of the President and Congress do affect the Consumer Price Index, which in turn, does affect the COLA, even though indirectly.

          • usmcltc

            They can control both Soc Sec and Medicare by messing with the funding. That’s easy if you control the White House and both branches of congress.

            If what you say is correct, why didn’t Obama do SOMETHING during his first two years in the WH when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress?

            “The evidence that there has been serious interference with our election and that Trump and the boys colluded is presented at least a dozen times a day on every network other than Faux.” Where is your proof?

            You have the nerve to say that you can not rely on Fox news. Remind me again WHO was suspended for four weeks for publishing FALSE information on Flynn. Hint: His last name is ROSS and he works for ABC.

            “We deeply regret and apologize for the serious error we made yesterday. The reporting conveyed by Brian Ross during the special report had not been fully vetted through our editorial standards process,” ABC said in a statement. “As a result of our continued reporting over the next several hours ultimately we determined the information was wrong and we corrected the mistake on air and online.”

      • An American

        The huge economic impact on America is they are BANKRUPTING US. We can not afford to support them any longer. A large amount of these people were brought here by Obama because he hated us and wants to destroy America.

        • sftpl

          Your Obama whining is nonsense. He deported over a half million more people than Bush. There are some claims that he deported more than any other president but the way that deportations are currently tallied had been changed during the Bush administration so comparisons aren’t totally valid. To say that Obama brought people in sounds like a Faux Snooze quote which more often than not prove to be outright lies.

          • An American

            Wrong! Obama opened our borders to all the illegals and allowed them to stay here. You just don’t want to open your eyes and ears to what that Faux American President is and was- A PHONY AMERICAN THAT IS EVIL & CORRUPT.

          • sftpl

            All you need to do is to look at the figures showing deportations from 2008 to 2016 vs those from former presidents to see that your claims are bogus. Here’s a little side note for your information. President Obama won both of his elections by margins that have only been seen four times in our nation’s history unlike our current faux pres who lost the election by 3,000,000 + votes.

          • usmcltc

            How may illegal immigrants were in the U.S. in 2009? About 11 million.
            Estimates in 2015 put the number of unauthorized immigrants at 11 million, representing 3.4% of the total U.S. population. Boy, Obama did a great job in deportations, right? There were about 11 million illegals in the U.S. when he took office, and when he left officer, there were about 11 million illegals in our country. Great job Obama!
            You liberals just can not get over the fact that Hillary getting 3 million more votes that Trump means NOTHING, as the President is NOT elected by popular vote. Were did these 3 million votes come from that liberals are SO proud of? Flash: Hillary got a total of 4 million more votes than Trump when you combine the votes in California and New York. THERE is where you got your 3 million votes. Take out CA and NY and Trump won the popular vote by 1 million.

          • usmcltc

            Obama did not “bring them in”, but he surly encouraged illegals to enter the U.S.. Look a DACA and DAPA which is Obama’s way (by executive order, NOT law) to allow illegals to remain in the U.S. without fear of deportation. And, look at the surge of women and children from Central America in recent years. And, look at Obama’s approval of sanctuary cities where illegals, including criminals, are protected by liberals. The fact that an illegal criminal was found “not guilty” of murder or manslaughter recently in San Francisco just reflects how the liberals in sanctuary cities care more about their beloved illegals than they care about their own citizens. THAT type of philosophy will destroy our country and turn us into a third world country, as liberals have abandoned the FACT that we are a country “based on law”.

          • sftpl

            The death of the woman in San Francisco was both tragic and controversial. The legal procedure, however, was strictly adhered to and the verdict found to be perfectly in line with the law. There is no mandate that everyone agree with the verdict. The background of the perpetrator was certainly enough to warrant deportation if for nothing more than for public safety.
            DACA and DAPA have nothing to do with either encouraging or discouraging immigration. They deal with illegals who have been here for quite some time and who have become members of their communities. Because of children that have been born here, many of the families are mixed in terms of citizenship making the problems even worse. I feel the Obama approach of dealing with the young adults who have been here, many since infancy, to be the logical, Christian and humane choice. Rounding up humans like cattle and bussing them to God-knows-where is inhumane, unconscionable, un-Christian and un-American.
            Pack ’em up and ship ’em off is easy to say on Faux Snooze but is even more naive than most of their rants and equally impossible to pull off.

          • usmcltc

            “The legal procedure, however, was strictly adhered to and the verdict found to be perfectly in line with the law.” Why would I expect any other comment from an liberal illegal immigrant lover? You have no idea WHAT the jury saw or thought, unless you were in the jury room, which I seriously doubt. And, the jury were not allowed to hear of the shooter’s past deportations or his criminal record. WHY? If the shooter had been a U.S. citizen, he would have been found guilty of manslaughter. You justify an illegal immigrant being able to fire a stolen gun and killing a woman and getting away with it. Only in a sanctuary city could this happen!
            You are kidding yourself if you think that DACA and/or DAPA do not encourage other illegals from trying to enter the U.S. illegally. Think about it! The illegals see what the Democrats want to do considering a group of illegals – let them stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation and a path to U.S. citizenship. What do they think? Of course, they think, if they (Democrats) would do this for people who are already in the U.S., maybe they would do this for ME, if I can get across the border. Common sense!
            So, you want to ignore our immigration laws, because you are thinking with your heart, rather than your brain, which is caused by a liberal disease called “nonsense”. Either you support the law or you don’t. In your case, you selectively support the laws that you LIKE and WANT to support and ignore the laws you don’t like. How un-American of you, and you should be ashamed by trying to undercut our legal laws which is what this country was built on.

          • usmcltc

            Oh, I see that you have to reference “Faux Snooze”. I am sorry that you are not educated enough to properly refer to this news network by its’ proper name, Fox News, but I can forgive you, since you are a liberal who loves “name calling”.

            I have something that I would like to share with you. In the past, I have not watched Fox News or other major news outlets. However, I see that liberals have a deep seated dislike for Fox, so I decided to watch for myself. I also decided to watch MSNBC to see what liberals liked about this network.

            I recorded and watched Tucker Carlson (Fox News) and MSNBC (Morning Joe) for two weeks. Here is what I found:

            Tucker Carlson: Obvious right (conservative) leaning; however, each evening he had guests that represented or defended the liberal standpoint. I got to see his conservative view point and the liberal’s viewpoint too. Carson, who makes it clear that he does not like Al Franken ,a Democrat< as a senator, raised the question as to Franken getting a fair deal or if he is being the subject to a rush to judgement based on an unknown person's accusation. An opinion that I would not expect from a "conservative", but he is right.
            Morning Joe: The show has two main commentators and a panel of 6 or 7 other people. I was surprised that ALL of the 8 to 9 people were liberals and their comments ONLY represented a liberal standpoint. Their main objective was to bash Trump and question his every move. There was never an opposing position presented, as they all, in every case, agreed with the liberal position. NO guests representing the conservative view point.
            Conclusion: Both "shows" are politically motivated with an obvious bias. One conservative and one liberal. However, the difference is that Carlson attempts to show both sides and has liberal guests on his show every night to present the liberal view. On the other hand, Morning Joe present ONLY the liberal position, and actively attacks the president on each show. On this program, you will NEVER get "both sides" to the story.
            My question: Why do liberals want to get only one side of an issue (Morning Joe) and dismisses a program (Tucker Carlson) that at least tries to show both sides to an issue?

            Morning

          • sftpl

            Actually I don’t watch Morning Joe or Tucker Carlson. Joe Scarborough was republican congressman from Florida’s first congressional district from 1995 to 2001 so he is a far cry from a hard core progressive. MSNBC’s all star line up begins with Chris Matthews then goes to Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow and ends with Lawrence O’Donnell. Their guests are fairly diverse and their reporting does not express overt opinion.
            There have been a number of studies where Faux (sorry but I just can’t acknowledge them as a news network as they are not) listeners who were sure that they had a firm grasp on reality were shown to have the least accurate understanding of the news and of world events.
            It is recognized across the political spectrum that Faux Snooze is the voice of the republican party and right wing activism. This is done without regard for truth because as we all know, truth has a very liberal bias.

      • Rex Whitmer

        What taxes? They came here, raised their kids here, if they took jobs it was one that should have gone to a citizen. Their kids went to our schools, They likely received welfare housing, food and medical care! The whole bank!
        what sales tax? Probably exempt. They’ve had eight or ten years it’s time to go home. take what you gained here, but go on home and show the folks there how to be like an American!

        • sftpl

          You seem to be living in an alternative universe most likely fueled by the factless blather coming across the air waves from the shills on Faux Snooze.
          Undocumented workers pay, on average about $12 Billion/yr in taxes including Social Security tax that they, by law, have no claim to when they retire. Turn off the lies and read something.

          • Rex Whitmer

            Hey sftpl, I LIVE twenty miles from the Mexican Border. I speak Spanish, I see what happens all over my state! These people think they have the right to come here at will, tax our welfare system and our educations and medical system as well and pay no taxes over and above deductions that MIGHT be had IF they secured a regular job, which by the way is ILLEGAL for them to have a job here without a permit. You may enjoy paying other nation’s bills. This country is already twenty one billion dollars in a debt we’ll likely never pay off. Legal immigration law states that a legal immigrant must be responsible for their own debts, and frankly it’s that way and worse in Mexico! I’ve been there and if I ever took a job there, I’d be spending time in prison!

      • Donald Lindsey

        Illegals do not pay taxes they receive it

        • sftpl

          According to the chief actuarial of the Social Security Administration, undocumented workers pay in about 12 BILLION in taxes annually. This includes Social Security taxes which they are unable to access for retirement. This means that they are paying more than citizens pay because their 7% and their employers 7% add to the Social Security fund without any later claims against it.
          Bet you won’t hear about that on Faux Snooze. Is that where you got the “information” that resulted in your totally bogus claim?

          • Donald Lindsey

            information comes from the FBI statics yours did not show

          • sftpl

            Happy to provide info and clarification.

          • usmcltc

            According you, we could solve our Social Security “problems” by allowing MORE illegal immigrants to enter and stay in our country (and pay into the SS program). I guess that is why you liberals want an “open” border, right?

          • sftpl

            We have already agreed that the solution to the Social Security problem is to tax ALL income rather than putting a cap on it that favors those who can most easily afford it. The “solution” that you pose here does not meet the “sniff” test.

          • usmcltc

            Wait a minuet, what did I miss? YOU said “undocumented (illegals) workers pay in about 12 BILLION in taxes annually.” So, using liberal logic, if about 11 or 12 million illegal immigrants pay about 12 BILLION in taxes annually, doesn’t it stand to reason that, if you double the number of illegals in the U.S., they would pay about 24 BILLION in taxes annually. Liberal answer: Open our southern border so that enough illegals can enter our country and pay enough taxes to solve our Social Security problem. Now, THAT liberal “solution” really stinks!

          • sftpl

            So what are you trying to say. Are you saying to round up all non documented workers and send them somewhere (anywhere) else? Imprison them? Build a wall? The kind of manipulation that you reference is as absurd as both of us know it to be. What exactly is your point?

          • usmcltc

            What am I trying to say? I am saying that I believe our country was built and exists based on laws, as without laws, we become just another third world country. I am saying that illegal immigrants are in our country illegally in violation of our immigration laws. I am saying that immigrants who came to the U.S. legally are welcome, and those who came here illegally should NOT be here.
            I am saying that illegal immigrants should be held accountable for their illegal actions and returned to the place form where they came. How do you do this? One by one! People say that “dreamers”, if deported, would be returning to a country that they have never know and where they do not speak the language. Well, did any liberal ever consider that they were brought to a country that they had never known and did not speak the language when they were BROUGHT TO THE U.S.? Of course not, as THAT was okay, right? Build a wall? Something to secure our southern border has to be done. If that means building a wall, as other countries (non-Communist) have done. Built it!
            The bottom line is: Anyone who does not believe in our laws and the enforcement of those laws is NOT a very good American.

          • sftpl

            When the dreamers were brought here they were small children. They have grown up here, been educated here, are members of the workforce and completely American both nationalistically and culturally.
            The idea of a wall is not only stupid but is a barrier that cannot be build on boundaries demarcated by water. It is against international law to deprive Mexico of the Rio Grande and it is beyond imagination to cut it off from us.
            Immigration is NOT the number one problem in the country. It barely makes the top 5. Right now we are looking at the largest tax increase on the middle class in a very long time tied to the the largest tax REDUCTION for the wealthiest families in the nation. It, combined with the reduction of corporate taxes which are a far cry from Trumps claim that they are the highest in the world, will add an additional 1.5 TRILLION to the debt that will have to be paid by your children and grandchildren as well as by mine. There is an extremely high likelihood that Trump and his allies have colluded with the Russians to affect our national election. That smacks of treason at the highest levels. The environmental regulations have been rolled back to the point that they were 25 years ago at the cost of the health and prosperity of the American people for the purpose of increasing corporate profits at a time when they are already at record levels. He has opened up huge sections of National parks – OUR PARKS – so that they can be strip mined. That should increase their natural beauty, don’t you think? Schools are being defunded in favor of private education, the infrastructure is crumbling, and we are barely at third world levels with public transportation and high speed rail. Giving away 1.5 TRILLION dollars to those who least need it is a very bad decision unless you’re stealing from the masses to further pamper the insanely rich.
            Try getting angry over some of these things. You at least have the opportunity to do something about them by staying on top of your congress person and your Senators. No one is going to touch immigration for a long time.

          • usmcltc

            I do not know if I agree with you or not concerning Dreamers. Yes, they are adults, but 50% do not have even a high school education, even when given that FREE opportunity. It has been said that if they are deported, they will be going to a country that they have never known and don’t speak the language. THAT never stopped their parents from bringing them to a country that they had never known and did not speak the language. One fact remains: They are here illegally, and not rationalization can change that.

            I question what you say about them being completely American both nationalistically and culturally. If that is true, why do high school student in California take down the American flag and replace it with the Mexican flag. Or why do they fly the American flag upside down? Or why is a student who is wearing a shirt with “USA” on it told to go home and change his shirt or turn it inside out, because it might offend some students, since it is Cinco de Mayo. Are these students REALLY the type of people that we want in OUR country?

            You say that building a wall is “stupid”, but a lot of countries disagree with you.
            World of walls:
            How 65 countries have erected fences on their borders – four times as many as when the Berlin Wall was toppled – as governments try to hold back the tide of migrants.
            Security fears and a widespread refusal to help refugees have fuelled a new spate of wall-building around the world.
            A third of the world’s countries have completed or are building barriers – compared to 16 at the fall of the Berlin Wall.
            They include Israel’s ‘apartheid wall’, India’s 2,500-mile fence around Bangladesh and Morocco’s huge sand ‘berm’

            I am not surprised that you, as a liberal, would say, ” Right now we are looking at the largest tax increase on the middle class in a very long time tied to the largest tax REDUCTION for the wealthiest families in the nation.” That is just a liberal talking point denouncing everything and anything that Trump proposes without even knowing the facts. You have no idea how it will affect anyone as the details just came out today. I applied the new rules to my 2016 taxes. Results:

            In 2016, I had $24,413 in deductions (Personal Exemption of $8,100 and Itemized Deductions of $16,313). Applying the new rules to my 2016 tax return, I would have a deduction of $32,413 (Standard Deduction $24,000, Lost Personal Exemption -8,100, General Sales Tax $1,218, Real Estate Tax $2,505, Supplemental Tax $318, Mortgage Interest $11,163, and Contributions of $1,005. In 2016, I paid $11,214 (14.3%) in federal taxes; however, applying the new rules, I would pay $8,521 (12%) or $2,693 in reduced taxes. I could live with that.

            Of course, the “rich” will get a tax reduction. Who do you think pay the taxes, the poor? It is called a “tax reduction” because you have to pay taxes to get a “reduction”. Da. Remember, around 49% of the people do not pay ANY federal taxes at all. How are you going to reduced THEIR tax when they don’t pay anything now. Of course, they will get a $1,400 REFUNDABLE check for each child, even if they pay NO Federal taxes. Looks like another welfare program.

          • sftpl

            Your numbers are not really correct. The percentage of dreamers who have dropped out of HS prior to graduation is 21% not 50%. The parents thinking and logic are irrelevant as to countries and languages for the children seeing that the children were not making any of the relevant decisions. You assessment that they are her illegally is, in fact, correct. It is the solution that is a bit more troublesome.
            The flag thing happened during an immigration/deportation protest where friends, parents, siblings were being rounded up for deportation. The only way to stop or slow down those horror shows is to get press coverage so that the “enforcers” begin to get scrutinized for their actions. In order to get press coverage you must do something that gets their attention. Seems that the flag thing aroused more attention from the right wing than it did from the press so it therefore had the opposite effect from what was intended.
            Regarding the Trump tax fraud, I will believe the CBO. The congressional budget office is non-partisan and very very good at what they do. They say that around 70% of the middle class will experience a tax increase either immediately or when the “breaks” expire (unlike the corporate breaks which are permanent). Virtually the entire lowest income group will get a tax hike from 10% to 12%. I’m betting that you fall into one of those groups so regardless of your calculations, they are going to get more money out of you so they don’t have to get it from the Koch brothers.
            The tax fraud will add another 1.5 TRILLION to the national debt. Where are the republicans who were foaming at the mouth over the debt for the 8 years of the Obama administration? Where is Grover Norquist? Is money different when a republican is in the White House? That 1.5 TRILLION is going to cost you more in your taxes, a very possible decrease in Social Security, Medicare and a reduction in governmental services and benefits all for the benefit of those who really won’t feel the impact of their additional wealth as it was never actually needed in the first place. They are simply TAKING the money because they CAN. To hell with you and me.
            Provide benefits and a little break for the American people or give more of their money to the wealthiest people in the world? – I’ll vote for the money to the people.

          • usmcltc

            My numbers ARE correct, as I NEVER said that 50% “dropped out of HS”. Please reread my comment as I said “50% do not have a high school education. This 50% includes an estimated 250,000 enrolled in high school, but have not graduated and those attending other “schools”, such as night school, to obtain their high school diploma or GED.
            Fact: The flag incidents should have never taken place, IF these people (illegals) really want to become U.S. citizens, as compared to bringing THEIR culture to OUR country and wanting us to accept it as our own.
            Well, I ran the figures using my tax data from 2016, and I found that I would pay $2,693 LESS taxes under the new proposed law. The big difference was going from $16,313 in itemized deductions to a standard deduction of $24,000. And, I can still deduct my real estate taxes, stare sales tax and home mortgage interest, but I will not longer be able to take the $8,100 personal exemption. We will just have to wait and see.
            The fact is that liberals are opposed to Trump’s proposed tax reduction simply because it is proposed by Trump. I Obama had come up with this proposal (unlikely since Democrats do not recognize “tax reduction” as a legal political move) liberals would have thought that it was the best thing since sliced bread.

          • usmcltc

            You call Trump’s tax reduction a “fraud”. I suggest that you look at your dictionary for the meaning of “fraud”. You also said that you would “believe the CBO”. How naïve, as the specifics of the combined tax bill was not determined by committee until the last few days. The conclusions of the CBO were made before the specifics were determined and had to be based on assumptions. Not a real good thing to hang your hat on.
            OMG, When did liberals ever care about something costing $1.5 trillion over 10 years, or $150 million a year when Obama ran the national debt up almost $10 trillion is just eight (8) short years. They thought that level of spending was A-Okay!

          • usmcltc

            You say, “…with the reduction of corporate taxes which are a far cry from Trumps claim that they are the highest in the world…”. Just not true! Other than United Arab Emirates who has a Corporate tax of 55%, we have the highest corporate tax of 35% plus 0-12% state tax. Other countries:
            China – 25%
            Germany – 29.65%
            Japan – 31.11%
            Mexico – 30%
            Russia – 20%
            United Kingdom – 19%

            “There is an extremely high likelihood that Trump and his allies have colluded with the Russians to affect our national election.” Of course, this is based on the liberal accusation that ALL intelligent agencies agreed that Trump or his people colluded with the Russians to influence our election. However, it turned out that only a few people in a couple of “intelligent agencies” held this opinion. And, while there has not been any proof of this allegation, recent developments are showing that the real “collusion” was between Hillary and her people and the Russians (false trump dossier, which may have been used to get a subpoena to spy on Trump and his people ) as a back up plan to discredit or impeach Trump, IF he was elected. And, you are right, as it does smack of treason at the highest levels and it turning into a Constitutional crisis involving the actions of people in the FBI and State Department.
            You rant about all of the other problems that you see we have. I hope you enjoy talking to your representatives in the House and Senate, as I am not going to waste my time on these issues. You say that “No one is going to touch immigration for a long time”. Well, Trump has already acted by cancelling the DREAM act and tossing it to Congress. Let’s see what happens.

          • sftpl

            The Effective Corporate Tax Rate, that is the % of taxes ACTUALLY paid by American corporations is 18.6%. It comprises 2.2% of the GDP where the OECD (the most advanced countries in the world) average is 2.8%. Jack Walsh used to brag that General Electric paid ZERO.
            You say that only a few believe that Trump and all his minions colluded with the Russian. Remember from the Wizard of Oz the scene where the big projection on the wall said “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”? That’s what you are being told by Faux Snooze and the right wing talk machine. The fact is that there are no positive reports about Trump coming from anywhere. Agencies cannot say where their evidence is leading them. I say, “evidence” because any action that they take will have to be supported in open court sometime in the relatively near future. If they had evidence favoring Trump they could not talk about that either. As far as leaks go, none favor Trump. The man behind the curtain is Robert Mueller and, pay attention or not, he will find out what happened. So far two felony convictions and two still being investigated but prohibited from leaving the country. Watch this space! The only excuse for not seeing through this one is that you just haven’t been paying attention.
            On August 22, 2017, Glenn Simpson, CEO of Fusion, Inc. the company that funded the Trump dossier, testified for 10 hours with the Senate Judiciary Committee about the dossier. When Simpson emerged he told reporters that he releases the press to publish his entire testimony. The REPUBLICAN chaired judiciary committee went through their legalities and the official date when the entire hearing could be released has passed. Heard any good word coming from the meeting? Me neither. Could it be that there was nothing that fit that description? Buy the way, so far there has not been anything that the dossier alleges that has been shown to be wrong.
            Regarding the dream act, the latino vote in the states where an end to DACA would have the most impact is sufficient to sway a lot of elections and the repubs already have a monkey on their backs the size of Manhattan. They don’t need another reason to turn away voters. There are enough house members in California to sink anything that the repubs put up. Think there are enough latino votes in California to sway an election?Let’s see how these guys being squeezed on both sides react. The losses being handed to Trump are such that republicans actually fear his showing up during their campaigns. If Trump sodomized the Pope his followers would blame the seductiveness of his red shoes and let it go. Unfortunately for the rest of the republicans, they are still playing by the same rules as always and Trumps actions and BS are going to bite the republicans in the ass.

          • usmcltc

            You made a very good point in favor of the tax reduction proposal. If the effective tax rate now being paid is 18.6%, Trumps new corporate rate of 21%, which removes most of the tax loop holes, will actually be a rate increase, wouldn’t you agree.? Do you think that Walsh will continue to brag that they pay zero taxes, after the new law takes affect?

            “The fact is that there are no positive reports about Trump coming from any of the news sources anywhere.” Of course, you are right as, other than Fox News, 90% of what the liberal news agencies report about Trump is negative. This is in line, and you are getting sucked into it, with the liberals agenda of getting Trump out of office by scandal or impeachment. Think about that. A political party that lost the election is trying to get the DULY ELECTED president out of office by scandal or impeachment. What has America come to?

            The fact is Mueller has compromised himself and is deep in a conflict of interest cesspool. Mueller is an old friend of Comey and stacked his “dream team” with Hillary supporters, and some, Trump haters. Nine of the 15 members of his team have contributed to Democrats, including Hillary. What do you think that the liberals would say, if a president who is a Democrat was being investigated by a team of Republican supporters?

            The dossier! You say, “Buy the way, so far there has not been anything that the dossier alleges that has been shown to be wrong.” Only a person who WANTS to ignore the facts would say something like this. The PDF file of the 30-page typewritten report (dossier) alleges that high Kremlin officials colluded with Trump, offered him multi-billion dollar bribes, and accumulated compromising evidence of Trump’s sexual escapades in Russia. That the dossier comes from former British intelligence officers appears, at first glance, to give it weight especially with Orbis’ claim of a “global network.” The U.S. intelligence community purportedly has examined the allegations but have not confirmed any of them. We can wait till hell freezes over. The material is not verifiable. Get that friend, “The U.S. intelligence community purportedly has examined the allegations but have not confirmed any of them. The material is not verifiable.”

          • usmcltc

            “As far as leaks go, none favor Trump.” You are correct, as Trump and his people do not have to “leak” information to make Mueller, Comey, the FBI or the Department of Justice look bad, as they are doing that all by themselves. It is the liberals, and their plan to “dump” Trump that leads them to leaking information which is negative to Trump. Look at Comey who leaked classified information from his notes about Trump in hopes of getting a special prosecutor named. And, it worked as his friend, Mueller was named to investigate trump and the Russians. That does not pass the smell test!

            “Think there are enough latino (sic) votes in California to sway an election? Sure there are, and THAT is the problem. Latinos already make up more than 50% of the population in California. Think what will happen when, as a block, they can elect the governor, and all politicians in the state of California. Do you really think that the Latinos would care about the whites and/or blacks, if they were in complete control. They would look out for THEIR personal interests, and the rest of us can go to hell. The sorry thing is that people like you support this and condone what Latinos would do, if and when they gain political control of the state of California.

          • usmcltc

            You are really supporting a GREAT cause, i.e., illegal immigrants.

            According to a study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the annual cost to taxpayers at the federal, state and local levels is $116 billion.

            The costs examined are those associated with the 12.5 million illegal immigrants and the 4.2 million citizen children of the illegal immigrants.

            The comprehensive report looked at many different areas that end up costing taxpayers money. According to the FAIR Study:

            The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud. The study tallies the impact on education, medical, justice/enforcement, welfare and other government programs. The report notes that the $116 billion cost of illegal immigration falls on state and local taxpayers disproportionately – by a ratio of roughly 2 to 1 – with state and local expenditures totaling $88.9 billion and Federal expenditures totaling $45.8 billion, with only approximately $19 billion recouped in taxes.
            Read more at http://trumptrainnews.com/articles/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-is-astronomical#wE5AwbMIUxcwqLo4.99

          • usmcltc

            I guess that Obama agreed with you that Illegal immigrants will be the salvation of our great country.

            Under President Obama, the federal government didn’t prioritize immigration enforcement. That’s actually an understatement. In fact, the entire Obama era seems to have been characterized by a complete and total failure to enforce the law.

            A recent report by the Washington Examiner indicates the existence of a “deportation backlog of 550,000 illegal immigrants who were given temporary amnesty by former President Obama or simply let off the hook by liberal judges.”

            Liberals new fight song, “Open the Gates, Let ‘Em In!”.

          • sftpl

            I don’t know where you’re getting this stuff but the fact is that Obama deported more people than any president in recent history including the current rate at which Trump is attempting.
            I quote from The Hill, the congressional newspaper:

            As long as the administrative decision to defer the removal of a group of undocumented immigrants is legitimately aimed at more efficient use of law enforcement resources, it arguably falls well within the president’s discretion. This includes the discretion to defer the deportation of undocumented immigrants — individually or as a group — if doing so allows the administration to focus resources on keeping the country safe.

            In fact, presidents of both parties have used categorical grants of deferred action to postpone the deportation of large groups of undocumented immigrants, including abused women, hurricane victims and refugees.

            Therefore, to violate the constitution, the president’s action must be a dramatic, extraordinary departure from universally accepted exercises of executive discretion. DACA or its expansion don’t even come close.

          • usmcltc

            You bet! Obama the “Deporter in Chief.” How many illegal immigrants were in the U.S. in 2009? Let me guess. 11.9 million! How many illegals are estimated to be in the U.S. in 2016? Let me guess. 11.3 million, a decrease of 600,000 or 75,000 a year. Great joy ex-president! And, that does not reflect the fact that the Obama administration has released 165,950 illegal aliens with criminal convictions back into the population.

            Yes, Obama did a GREAT job. According to a report published by the Center for Immigration Services in May 2014, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) freed 36,007 convicted criminal aliens who had nearly 88,000 convictions, including 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, and 303 kidnapping convictions in the year 2013 alone.

          • sftpl

            Was not aware of these figures.

            According to governmental data, the Obama administration has deported more people than any other president’s administration in history.

            In fact, they have deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century.

            President George W. Bush’s administration deported just over two million during his time in office; and Obama’s numbers don’t reflect his last year in office, for which data is not yet available.
            He is credited with deporting 2.5 million from 2009 – 2015. 91% of those deported in 2015 had felony convictions.

            I can’t imagine why or how 165,000 felons could be released. If you are going to release a huge number of people, release the hundreds of thousands of citizens who are imprisoned for smoking a joint and fill the empty slot with a real felon.

            On the face of this I agree with you that it really sounds like it was a bad idea.

          • usmcltc

            Whoever said that Obama’s executive order establishing DACA was illegal. Certainly not me. Obama’s actions were just as legal as Trumps” actions to do away with DACA, immigration lotteries, and chain immigration. Obama’s actions were legal but a mistake; however, Trump is correcting that mistake.

          • sftpl

            Time will tell. So far Trump is 0 for any legislation proposed to date. Not a very stellar performance.

          • usmcltc

            Well, I guess you forgot the tax bill. I guess maybe a tax overhaul is more important than a few executive orders. Wouldn’t you agree? But, on the other hand, how do you pass legislation? Answer: One at a time!

          • sftpl

            The tax bill is a far cry from passed. In the event (god forbid) that it does pass that will mean that he is 1 for 1. One year in office, one bill passed. STELLAR!!!
            Looking forward to your tax increase and your benefits being diminished?

          • usmcltc

            Ah, correction! The tax bill is all but signed. Didn’t you read my post where I showed you how the new tax would affect the federal taxes that I pay. If not, let me know and I will send it again, but the bottom line is that I would pay $2,693.00 LESS taxes in 2016 under the new tax law. That saving is due to the fact that my “deductions” will go from $24,4213 to $32109 when I apply the new tax law to my 2016 Form 1040. I can live with that.
            Just what benefits are you talking about that would be diminished?

          • usmcltc

            Legalizing 2 million illegal immigrant “Dreamers” would cost the government $25.9 billion over the next decade, as those now-legal people would claim more tax, education and other benefits they haven’t been able to get before, the Congressional Budget Office said Friday.

            The CBO also said newly legalized Dreamers would sponsor 80,000 more immigrants to enter the country as part of “chain migration.”

            Immigrant-rights activists have argued that legalizing Dreamers would be a financial boon to the country, but the CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation suggested otherwise, saying that while they would pay somewhat higher taxes in to the government, they would take far more out of it.

            The findings could be a blow to activists who have demanded the bill be included in any year-end spending deal. Congress already struggles to find offsets for other spending, and digging a hole more than $25 billion deeper could be difficult.

          • sftpl

            Here’s how I’m looking at it. Settling down the matter is cheaper than trying to round up 12 million people. Chances of success is much better too. If Congress is struggling with finding funds they will steal it from you and me anyway and tell you that its because of the democrats who spent too much. They have a “thank you” bill to be paid to the mega wealthy and this is how they do it.

          • usmcltc

            No one is saying that we have to “round up” 12 million illegal immigrants. But, as they are identified, during everyday activities, they should be tagged for deportation. In addition, doing away with “sanctuary cities” would also mean that these cities would have to cooperate with federal immigration authorities when illegals are released from custody, rather than protect them by NOT notifying authorities of their release.
            I really do not understand you comment about funds. Sorry.

    • Estell Newton

      Thank you for your service.

    • Chris Soria

      I feel the same way as you do Donald Lindsey and I am also a Disabled Veteran. All these Illegals should be deported once and for all! ASAP

      • Munge

        Thanks for your service brother.

        • Askjrsk

          These testimonies of how our government handles buisness infuriates-me. Nancy Pelosi charges President Trump with abuse. She and Clown Schummer refuse to show up, leaving their chairs vacant. That’s abuse — Nancy Pelosi style, as these professional parasites stood “we the people “, and President Donald Trump up, and slapped us in the face, insulted us all — by their immature juvenile gross selfish, disgustingly vile
          self – centered narcissistic child like temper tantrums, and their continued non performance, while our president works diligently for us. Pelosi doesn’t know what abuse is. She should visit wounded warrior and/or vets and learn what her ineptness as a law maker does to Americans. Talk about taxation without representation. President Trump fix this nation and MSGA.
          Oh, BOYCOTT BEN AND JERRYS ICECREAM. Their packaging now openly advocates for open borders , to put us all at risk for our safety security, through insufficient vetting and no border wall.

          • Munge

            Absolutely right brother the dims are no longer interested in working for their constituents they’re only interested in anything and everything they can do to obstruct President Trump.

    • Patricia Knight

      Thank you for your service and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      • Donald Lindsey

        Thank you, and may you have a Merry Christmas and Happy holidays

    • dude

      I agree with you 110% I also a vet but any American that’s got any sense and backbone needs to fight illegal imagration and need to start with daca we need to cut all funding of anyone that is not a legal citison …that would stop a lot of illegal mexican.and muslims …stop the taxpayer funded rmoney flow

  • Petemer

    DACA was never about children brought here at no fault of their own, they are being used as pawns to get sympathy so dirty politicians have the courage to grant the eighth amnesty. Everyone of them resulted in a higher rate of violations of our border and visa laws.
    No one talks about a recent report from Texas that stated illegal’s committed over 600,000 crimes and nearly 3000 murders between the years of 2008 and 2014, no one talks about another report that stated in five states Ari., Cali., Fl., NY., and Texas the over all murder rate is 34% committed by illegal’s.

  • carla AMERICAN

    They clearly state that Obama’s executive order was illegal yet demand America Enslave themselves for illegals ! Clearly they don’t understand ENSLAVEMENT OR ILLEGAL ! THEY CANNOT MAKE TRUMP DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL, AGAINST AMERICA, AGAINST CONSTATUTION ! OBAMA DEMANDED INVASION OOF AMERICA ! READ THE CONSTATUTION AND THE PRESIDENT’S REQUIREMENTS HE NEEDS TO DO ! CONGRESS funded sanctuary cities for housing, food, clothing, cars, PROTECTION BUT REFUSES TO PROTECT AMERICA WITH WALL ! IT’S BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT THEY’VE COMMITTED CRIMES YET THEY REMAIN TO PROMOTE TERRORISM, ENSLAVEMENT OF AMERICANS,SEXUAL PREDATORS, WHAT ELSE ? YET THEY REMAIN TO DISBURSE “JUSTICE” ! DEMAND THEIR REMOVAL AND HOPEFULLY THEIR ARREST ! FREEZE THEIR ASSETS TO REPAY AMERICA FOR PAYOFFS AND SO CALLED EMPLOYMENT THEY PROVIDED ILLEGALS WITH PROTECTION AND JUSTICE BUT NOT AMERICANS ! WRITE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THE WHITE HOUSE !

    • An American

      Our Congress are yellow belly cowards and should all be kicked out of office

      • carla AMERICAN

        Write President Trump at the White House and DEMAND he do as the CONSTATUTION Demands, USEILITARY FORCE TO REMOVE INVASION OF ILLEGALS FROM AMERICAN SOIL AND CRIMINAL CONGRESS& POLITITIANS! SOROS THE HUNGARIAN BORN APPLIED AND RECIEVED AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP AND CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THE RULES. HE HAS GAINED BILLIONS SIMCE BEING IN AMERICA AND USED HIS FINANCES TO BACK TERRORISM GROUPS IN AMERICA ALONG WITH SCHUMER, PELOSI, WARREN, McCAIN.have all demanded terrorism in America and they’re responsible for dispensing JUSTICE ! UNBELIEVABLE!

  • a fool

    Take care of our Vets First! Keep all Parasites Out and AWAY!

  • enterprisew

    Illegals ARE nothing but COPPER THIEVES!

  • RAFAEL VALLEJO

    we must send those daca to where ever they came from. we have American people that are denied any help yet they all come here and have medicine, which are denied to us, food, and money, while we are desperate in trying to eat.

    • Darlene

      there are 8000,000 of those—- Daca INVADERS here illegally–they have cost us alot—they need to be put out of America—gone —our tax dollars are supporting them—I am sick of it—

    • Chris Soria

      So true Rafael V…So true!

    • sftpl

      There are no differences between the services that are available to you and to those available to undocumented people except for the fact that undocumented people cannot/do not access services that you can easily use.

  • John Williams

    There is no argument here, SCOTUS has nothing to do with this, obama himself stated that DACA, was only temporary, obama did DACA by executive order because he COULD NOT even get his own party in congress to back him. Trump is doing nothing but forcing the issue, making congress, remember the ones who, according to our system, make the laws, do their job. If Congress makes a law confirming what obama set in motion by executive order, then all this is solved, if Congress does not, problem solved. This is a Congressional issue, the problem is, they are afraid to SHOW HOW THEY WOULD ACTUALLY VOTE ON THIS, many of those crying for empathy for DACA, do not have the balls to actually put their name on a vote on the house or senate floor, it would be political suicide. Better to push it on SCOTUS, and just whine in the media.

  • Murphmeister

    Given the pattern of federal judicial decisions lately and of course the forum shopping, the very strong argument that some of the courts are deciding cases that aren’t even justiciable, such as the fitness of transsexuals to even serve in the military or the granting of constitutional rights to foreign nationals not within the legal jurisdiction of the United States ( see freedom of religion argument after Trump’s barring individuals of certain countries ), we have a crisis on our hands.

    For the past 45 years, even before law school and practicing law, I have observed courts arrogating power into its judicial oligarchy. The Congress and the President have to stand up to the judiciary and accuse it of no longer being an impartial arbiter. It is only from that status that the judiciary continues to merit the power it gave itself in Marbury v. Madison, for the Constitution does not explicitly provide that the Court may rule on the constitutionality of enactments of Congress or actions by the President. The genius of Marbury was Chief Justice Marshall recognizing the need for an impartial arbiter not expressed in the Constitution. However, the operative word is impartial. But when the courts become tendentious as they have increasingly become and toss out even the veneer of impartiality, then a crisis of confidence goes from looming to full blown. This is now what confronts President Trump as these little Electors of Hanover try to govern the country from their own petty states. If any president would take this bull by the horns, Trump will.

  • David Gearhart

    Obama’s immigration decrees violate our constitution and our laws. If these courts are upholding this, then they too are committing a crime.

  • Sharon Erdely

    I am with Mr. Lindsey. I am a Disabled Female Veteran, the problem I have is that we (our Socialist and some Republicans) want us to pay billions so these people can rob, murder and sell drugs to our young people. Obama made this and unfortunately no American seems to want to contest this ruling. Now mind you everyone in Washington, DC know that Obama is a FRAUD, put in place by George Soros. We need to stop this crap now. Veterans should not be dying in the streets while our government puts the illegals into nice apartments, food stamps, and free college. The free college is not available even for Veterans.

    • Munge

      Thanks for your service sister.

      • old codger

        DITTO!

    • Chris Soria

      Thank You Sharon…you are 100% correct!

  • Max Thor

    End DACA and lets use that money to help americans and veterans. The socialist Communist Democratic party is pro Illegal trash mexicans and against helping our veterans..Remember when you go to the voting booth in 2018. These Dem wits are anti amercian

  • downs1

    Either you have laws or you don’t! Either you obey the laws or you don’t! Either you tell the truth or you don’t! These illegal immigrants have become a burden on the tax payers, but some in government see them as potential voters . . . especially the Democrats! I’m a citizen born here, I served honorably in the military, I have worked diligently since my retirement from the military, and I have always paid my taxes! I do not feel that the United States Government has been honest with me or my tax dollars! I despise Mikey Weinstein for his atheist stance to remove worship of God from the military, and I despise the liberals for their stance on illegal immigration! May these fools reap what they have sown!

  • kmidlam@yahoo.com

    Send them all back

  • kmidlam@yahoo.com

    Send them all back and send that black muslim with them

    • al.k

      THAT BLACK FN MUSLIM IS an Arab cksucker as is his squeeze michael.

  • david goodman

    daca shouldn’t be considered by Trump demon-crats KKK ISIS antifa communist party committed treason

  • Walter Siebert

    The Democrats want our hard earned tax dollars to pay for future votes, they’re desperate to take over this country on hard working taxpayers expense. I’m a war veteran worked 50 years, paid my taxes & SS and haven’t collected a dime yet !!!

    • al.k

      The illegals cost us 135 billion a yr and they send home 69 billion, more than they make selling oil, and we have 1/3 of their population, the US needs to cut off all subsidies for illegals, people who hire them need to be fined for every illegal they have.

  • Larry Brule

    SEND THE DACA SOBS HOME. KEEP THE 4,000 THAT CARED ENOUGH TO BECOME OR APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP!

  • niknar

    Trump has been all over the map rhetorically on this issue from threatening deportation to all to asserting that he will make sure that all those eligible for DACA will get to stay. He says he wants Congress to set the rules on this, which would be the best way, except for the fact that they’ve proved incapable of it for decades now.

  • Estell Newton

    He should take that to the Supreme Court. Also, whether or not transgenders should be allowed in the military and whether or not taxpayers should fund sanctuary cities. We should not be taking care of illegals or anyone else that sits on their lazy butts and don’t work. Kick them off welfare and make these people work. That includes the legals and American citizens. I’m tired of hearing the liberals whine there won’t be social security for them when they refuse t o work.

    • Rex Whitmer

      And when they do work, they’re taking a real citizen’s job!

      • Estell Newton

        Illegals should not be allowed to stay. That may sound cruel but we wouldn’t be able to do that in their home country.

  • Linda Reinke

    How many of the responders would like to take the jobs that these people have?. Many have graduated form universities and are productive in the US economy. Some of the disabled vets should spend more time asking the president to fix your problem because all he wants is the rich to get richer (take a good look at the proposed tax bill which wound net him & his family over 1 billion dollars if passed) . Even if he were to send all of these people back, you still will not get more money!

    • Rex Whitmer

      He can’t afford to, too much of the money that should have gone to the vets has gone to the illegals! YOUR taxes are being spent on these people. The government doesn’t earn money, they tax you and me for their expenses! The money spent on illegal aid is stupendous over all, running into the billions! Just think of what YOU could do if you were able to use the money the government spends on these illegals. Our military is using worn out equipment, and putting our service men in harms way for defective equipment! By the way, the government pays in full for these illegals to attend our colleges and other schools! Okay, they’ve got an education or are getting one, send ’em home they’ll be way ahead of their fellow citizens in their native countries!

  • GuardianFlame

    Thank you for your service and sacrifices you made for our country disabled Vets! I salute you and pray for each of you.

    Our Country has stepped backwards because of the luny Left and it makes me want to puke! From their sub-cultural transgenders to homosexuals (all created and supported by the dysfunctional Left so there was someone more tweaked/desperate than they are), they have put the screws to our Nation and mostly our Veterans. Unacceptable.

    I so wish we could draft all of the Left, including those pathetic jokes in Congress, and see what kind of survivors they are on the battle front! Bet they scream and soil themselves because, well, most of them are nothing but pansies afraid of their own shadows.

    So to you, we sane Americans salute you! To those criminals in diapers, send them back where their parents came from. Their parents are the criminals, but the kids will have to pay the price for their parent’s stupidity.

    No one said life was fair.

  • Shelba Herring

    No amnesty send these backdoor illegals back to where they came from their parents brought them here let them take them back with them the fourteenth amendment needs to be amended other countries have stopped foreigners giving birth in their country for the babies from being automatic citizens it is past time for America to do the same this amendment was put in place for the ex slaves children who were already here, not for illegal aliens who jumped the border or came here just to have an anchor baby, it is time to put Americans first instead of handing our tax dollars to illegals, our free medicals, our welfare benefits and our schools where we have to hire people to speak for the children that don’t even know the national language and as long as they have someone to talk for them they have no inclination to learn, deport them one and all and if they want to be citizens let them put in an application like the hundreds of other people have done, some of these people have waited for years for their chance to emigrate and you want to put these illegals ahead of people who want to do it the right way and follow the law, illegals do not follow the law and a lot break more than the law of crossing the border illegally

  • Steve R.

    Illegals on welfare or criminal illegals are producing NOTHING for this country and they need to be deported en masse! I am tired of my tax dollars going to support these scum of the earth – our military need to secure the first 100 miles of sovereign Mexico territory right across the border and set up detention camps for these illegals. And if the Mexican Army give us trouble bomb them back into the “dark ages.”

  • TwoElks

    What happened to the oath our elected officials take to protect citizens from all enemies foreign and domestic? Seems to me Trump could do this with an Executive Order as a national security issue. We have a huge illegal colonization problem !

  • BatGuanna

    I do not care if they are born here their parents are illegal’s they are too, anchor my A$$, if you are a convicted felon in new Jersey you are still a convicted felon in South Florida; send them all home. Be real a lot left because their country does not pamper the felons! VN-66-67

  • John D

    These Federal Judges that refuse to follow the Constitution should be impeached and put in prison for their crimes

  • Robert

    The ones who have been here for year’s and not bothered to file for citizenship, that’s on them. If they aren’t citizen’s ship them home. There is a process for a reason, if they cared about being here that much,they should have followed it.

  • Larry Brule

    SUPREME COURT HELL, JUST SEND THEM HOME EXCEPT FOR THE 4,000 THAT CARED ENOUGH TO BECOME CITIZENS. WHY DIDN’T THE REST OF THEM? THEY DON’T CARE.

  • Askjrsk

    It is not just and fair illegals should get more in benefits than our veterans. Illegals are being paid by us as reward for breaking our laws. Seal our borders. President Trump don’t fall for Clowns Schummer and Pelosi threatening government shit down if they don’t get their way with immigrstion. Those two EMPTY CHAIRS ARE A SLAP IN THE FACE INSULT TO WE THE PEOPLE. Fire them both. BOYCOTT BEN AND JERRYS ICECREAM, their packaging now openly advocates for open borders and no wall. They want todo to the USA what they already have done to decrepit rundown broke out of work Vermont.

  • Rosa Eakin

    THANKS FOR BRING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT–LET US NOT TO FORGET, WHO DID THIS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.. THIS WAS DONE BY THE OLD MOSS BACKS THAT ARE IN CONGRESS AND OBAMA ALONG WITH HIS GANG OF CORRUPT FRIENDS WHO ARE GETTING A LARGER CUT OF THE DOE. WHEN IT COMES TIME TO RE-ELECT…DO NOT RE-ELECT THEM…SEND THEM ALL HOME WITHOUT RETIREMENT OR BENEFITS..LET THEM KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE FORGOTTEN ..( BY THE WAY –MY HUSBAND & I ARE BOTH VETS 1960-1966 USMC and proud of it……

  • Charles Girard

    Stop this unconstitutional, Obama BS right now. You all know better in Washington.

  • dude

    need to get rid of daca asap no matter how they do it

  • Joe Casci

    Enough bullshit if there illegal they need to go no deals no more compromise THEY NEED TO GO !!!

    • Chi Sam

      They’re. The common word ‘there’ refers to a specific place, and nothing else. You use the word when you point, you ignorant clown.

      Embrace English, stupid…or get out.

  • wminaz

    Build the wall and call it Kate’s Wall after Kate Steinle.

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