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  • davesnrakleberger

    you non-thinking, non-American cretins at wapo make a bunch of rocks look smart. Go get some hot chocolate, snowflakes!

    • Krazeehors

      Would they even know how to heat it up?

      • MIKE6080

        just go upstairs and have mom heat it up for them

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      • jerry

        That’s an easy one, global warming!

        • Rex Whitmer

          Unfortunately Jerry, it ain’t warming!

          • jerry

            Yes Rex, I hope you took my response as a fictitious one. Just trying to add a little humor for all the libs reading.

    • dennis w

      FLAVORED WITH ARSENIC………….

    • SeanM62

      And you are American? Which tribe are you from? Or are you just another faceless European wannabe?

      • William Wilson

        damn you are ignorant

        • SeanM62

          Right! Just another faceless European wannabe.

      • johnnywoods

        Cherokee, thank you.

        • SeanM62

          Osiyo! Dohitsv?

      • Rex Whitmer

        Lets put it this way Sean, He loves his country, you don’t. He cares about America’s safety , you don’t. He voted for an honest American, likely you didn’t, Does that explain or are you to dumb? We could send you to one of Obama’s settlements, then perhaps you’d understand?

      • raffaelecafagna

        You are very CONFUSED . Go back and re-read davesnrakleberger post again

      • davesnrakleberger

        sean, you ignorant asshole….are you not aware of how many countries we purchased from other nations to expand our borders? Louisana purchase, Gasden purchase, etc. Go stick you “I hate America” crap up your stupid liberal asshole like the rest of your pointy headed profressors

        • SeanM62

          I’m not so sure every land acquisition was a “purchase.” Many were just land grabs, especially from real Americans. And Mexicans.

      • baitmando

        Good god what a moron. Get a GED or something.

        • SeanM62

          I missed getting that by graduating from high school. I’ll see if they will accept me for a GED anyway.

      • margaret

        i am from the CHEROKEE TRIBE. NOW GET THE HELL OFF OUR LAND YOU LIBERAL IDIOT

        • SeanM62

          Correctly Ani Yunwiya or Tsalagi. Osiyo!

          • Rex Whitmer

            And of course YOU do? You ain’t fooling anyone. As bad as these melinials!

          • SeanM62

            Its “millennials.” Helping people is part of walking the Red Road.

          • Rex Whitmer

            Somehow SeanM62 you’ve adopted the attitude that you are very much wiser than anyone else. Unfortunately it’s quite obvious to the rest of us that,, that is a fairy tale!

          • SeanM62

            And you believe the same, another case of wishful dreaming. Its a draw.

          • SeanM62

            You obviously don’t understand the concept of the Red Road.

      • Rex Whitmer

        He’s a sensible American SeanM62. The tribes were never American. One thing about them though, if you didn’t produce, you starved! None of this Uncle Sam’ll feed me, clothe me , educate, while I enjoy the fruits of people whom do work!

        • SeanM62

          The tribes are still the real Americans. You are not there yet, but with training and prayer you can get there.

      • jimshaw54

        Where did the tribes come from? Did they pay for their way into the areas where they were (and some are) living?
        How many people who are here illegally do you have living with you? I am assuming your house is full of people who are here illegally that you have allowed to walk into your house and live there, of course at least some of them will expect you to feed and clothe them as well..

        • SeanM62

          “….at least some of them will expect you to feed and clothe them as well.” That’s exactly what Native Americans did so many times for invading Europeans, beginning with the Mayflower survivors, only to be stabbed in the back later.

          • jimshaw54

            And haven’t we done the same many times when we have been helping many others around the world!! At least I have donated money to help people in need that is over and above my tax money that our government hands out to others, apparently including many countries who don’t need nor appreciate the money we give them. You are correct that some Native Americans did take care of people in need, but the operative words were and are “in need”, and those the Indians helped were often in dire need. But now altogether too often it is becomming a way of life for many to come here and want the U.S. people to feed, clothes and educate them. Not all think that way of course, but a significant number do, just as a significant number of U.S. citizens believe the rest of the people should take care of them through our welfare system.

    • DrBarbara

      No, you are right. Wapo and those of their ilk can’t even think as clearly as a rock. All they do is keep repeating the same old arguments over and over~~ arguments that show how ridiculous they are. Hot chocolate, and some puppies to hug and some coloring books to make them feel “safe.”

      • Vangie Martinez

        Don’t forget to curl up with your Tiera and keep your feet warm.

    • Herb1949

      No hot chocolate for the sowflkes, they would melt.

  • Teresa Barrows

    okay, so this is probably going ,make me one of the “heart-bleeding Liberals”….which I’m not…. I actually think common sense, reality, good moral ethics, hard work and a Very STRONG FAITH are what make a difference. But here is one of ooooh so many reasons I don’t particularly agree with EVERY LITTLE DECISION our current President does…. this country was build on immigration, the Englishman (British) left English because they didn’t like the way they were being told they “had to do things”, right? Stop and think about … we have a lady standing in our harbor with a very well know quote, “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.” so how can be now say… we changed our minds and you have to leave… Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding of DACA “Dreamers” is that this policy was created to PROTECT the Children that through no choice they personally made ended up being in the US illegally…. either their parents brought them at a very young age (still minors) or they were born here.. so to me it doesn’t seem right MORALLY to deport these individuals… ESPECIALLY if all they are guilty of is be here with out permission…. did he/she harm anyone, sell drug, murder someone, rob someone or do some other type of felony offence OR has he/she grown up to be a responsible person that has worked hard to get a decent education, worked at bettering his/her life by and become a PRODUCTIVE member of society?… if he/she is part to the latter why would or shouldn’t we encourage them and accept them as US citizens …. is that EXACTLY the type of citizen we “claim” we want in the US?????

    • Last of the patriots

      Your a moron!!! Maybe it was ok to let people in 20 years ago, but now this country doesn’t need anymore people. Plus the People that want to come here are third world scum, leeches of the welfare system. So, now it time to stop letting people in. And our country wasn’t formed from diversity. You are brainwashed to believe that. This country was made by American Patriots, NOT IMMIGRATION!!! GET A BRAIN MORON!!!

      • Last of the patriots

        Learn some American history!!!

        • Last of the patriots

          And that saying on the statue was not from America, it was the frenchies saying who built the statue, not American’s. Learn your American history. Your assumptions are based on lies!!!

          • pepper12

            Actually the saying was a poem written by Emma Lazerus and is on a plaque on the base of the Statue, it didn’t come from the Frenchies.
            http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm

          • Last of the patriots

            It doesn’t matter who wrote it a hundred years ago. Back then you didn’t have to worry as much about being killed by a foriegn scum terrorist, as you do today. So if you idiots want to keep letting this third world foriegn scum in. Then i hope you dumbazzes get blown up, or run over by the next muslime scum trying to destroy America. Can’t believe how stupid alot of Americans are, how pathetic!!!

          • Rex Whitmer

            In those days Last of the Patriots, everyone wanted to become an American. Now a days they just want our welfare system and our money, and our homes. The Muslims come to make America a Muslim Caliphate! You Liberal young ladies will be forced to hide your faces and figures, and not go out of the house except with your husband or a male relative. Those whom favor allowing the Spanish speakers over power us had best learn Spanish, and learn it well, along with the customs that go with it! Your freedom is short lived!

          • floral

            Whoever it came from, the poem is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL!

          • The poem was written by an American lib and is exactly opposite of what the sculptor intended. Learn YOUR American History.

          • Rex Whitmer

            Actually he wasn’t a sculptor. She’s made of brass.

        • Last of the patriots,
          You are a bit too harsh for me. I am a historian and I see things somewhat differently. Mexicans and Central Americans are desperate for a better life as it sucks south of the border. What do you expect them to do?
          Muslims are another story. We have to make every effort to keep the bad ones out of the US, period. But even so, Muslims do not integrate into any other country very well. They want their Sharia law. It sucks. Yet the Quran teaches such wretched ideas that I don’t see how anyone could want such a lifestyle. Unfortunately they do not know any better.
          As for Europeans, they are reliable people who understand the need for harmony and accept our way of life.
          All of them desire to keep some of their traditions alive. That is a good thing for us to see. Therefore, immigration is both good and bad, depending on who it is.

          • Dianne Entwistle

            Why don’t the Mexicans and Central Americans stay home in their own countries and work and fight to make it better there? No, they want to come to a country where others have already done all the work and jump on the freebie wagon. I have heard many of them say in another ten years this will be a Hispanic country and then lets see how you like it.

          • Dianne,

            Best you go to Mexico and get your eyes opened. Native Americans in Mexico and Central America are in about the same predicament as the Native Americans in the US back in the 1870’s and even today. How did they fare with the elite Europeans? Not very well, I am afraid. Visit a couple of western reservations and see how those folks live yet. To be sure, they do not want to change, generally. But at least in the US, Native Americans can get aid for food and clothing. I have to grand daughters who go to Mexico often on church missions, taking food and clothing to them. The photos I see are not encouraging.

          • Dianne Entwistle

            I’ve been to Mexico. Why don’t your granddaughters try staying in their own county helping people. There are plenty of Appalachians that could use the help, they don’t even have coats, we collect every year and send them some. Charity begins at home.

          • Diane,

            My grand daughters have to go where the church group goes. One lives in Pasadena, CA and the other lives in Dallas, Texas. Appalachia is a bit far for travel.

            If you have been to Mexico, then you must know how their system works. The Spanish in Mexico are the wealthy and control the purse strings while the Native Americans are the poor who have no voice in government.

          • Rex Whitmer

            The Appalachians would probably shoot them if they thought someone thought that they (the Appalachians) couldn’t take care of themselves. You see this is one of the differences between Americans and them!

          • Dianne Entwistle

            Like I said in previous post, we already send them coats for the winter . They seem to have no problem accepting them.

          • floral

            I beg to differ. Illegal hispanics tend to be the outcasts of the hispanic countries. Those are people (illegals) are NOT what we are in want of (James Madison)

          • floral,

            Of course the illegals come from the poor segments of Mexico and most all of Central America. What sort of welfare does Mexico and other Central American countries have? It is not like ours. I have not been to Mexico for a very long time. It may be better now but it is still a long ways from being a well founded country like this one or we would not have illegals crating problems. I live in southern Idaho and see what Hispanics can do to move up the food chain when they have the resources to do so. They are not all lazy people as many would have us believe. But that does not paint a very good picture of what is happening at out southern borders at present and as far back as our country’s history goes. By contrast, Canadians come and go regularly with very little border crossing issues. Maybe you best get some better knowledge of the situation in Latin America.

          • floral

            I KNOW WHAT I SAW and SEE. Few if any illegals are fine upstanding people. They seem to be the dregs of their society…..in any case, given the way they leech off of the welfare and medical system and bring down wages, they are NOT the people we are in want of. AS James Madison said. All the people I know in Mexico, “poor” or not, are happy where they are and most are mixed blood, mostly native “indian” like Mayan, Incan and various other indigenous tribes. Also, there was a mass migration of Arabs to Mexico in the 20’s and 30’s, so many have semitic ethnic heritage.

          • floral,

            I have not said the Latinos were the greatest of people. However, they seem to rise up the ladder when given the opportunity. Still, many of them resort to crime. Latinos are usually a mix of Native American and other Europeans. Do you have any background on the Spanish people that dominate the wealth and political makeup of the people throughout Central America? Those of predominant Native American culture are considered “inferior”.

          • floral

            I do have relatives and first hand knowledge of the fact that after WWII, many German nazis fled to Brazil. In the 1920’s and 30’s, many Arabs emigrated to Mexico. I have a relative that is 1/2 Yaqui, 1/4 “mexican”(a mixture of native tribes, like mayan/mayo/and maybe a little Spanish AND a 1/4 british emigrant. It is YOUR opinion that the bulk of mexicans that are a mixture of many tribes and some Spanish blood and now arab and german are considered “inferior”. It is more whether they have become educated and or productive citizens, not their “blood”.

          • floral

            You are NOT hands on with the “situation in Latin America” and you are the one in need of better knowledge. Illegals are causing trouble BECAUSE they are illegal and therefore CRIMINALS. Those who come here legally move up and are fine citizens for the most part. I have hired many and have worked for many and am related to several, but illegals are not in my vast experience, the immigrants we are in want of. They are leeches.

          • floral,

            I live with those who are brought to my state as field workers and live in labor camps. I see what happens to them over time. I am seeing them rise out of poverty as the younger generations are now English speaking and far better educated. I have enough connection with what takes place in Central America to know that the poor are considered inferior and kept poor. When that happens, they resort to crime because they have little else they can do. They are not unlike poor black/ Naïve American/Oriental people in large metro areas of the US.

            But you are addressing just what gives me cause for better immigration into the US. We have to:
            1.
            Shut down the border.
            2.
            Update our inadequate immigration policies.

            Then we can think about opening the border with better control on who should be allowed into the US and who should not. We do have a large market for low income people in agriculture all across the US and illegals are a source of employees.

            We also need to face the reality that Latino countries are faced with such people and they do not have the industry to handle them. This is no easy fix on immigration but it has to be done if we ever hope to see the border as free as possible. It is a current disaster. Worse yet, it is a source of evil people that can illegally cross the border and who would do us harm at every opportunity.

          • floral

            Not our problem, never was. James Madison (know HIM?) along with the OTHER Founders made it VERY clear that we should not have open borders nor take in anyone or allow to stay anyone who did not, could not assimilate, share our values, and contribute to the wealth and growth of our society and support and defend the Constitution. You make excuses for the “poor” and misstate the situation and THEN say close the borders and update immigration policies? Illegals are criminals, chain migration is destroying the country along with illegals. We DON’T any longer have a large market for illegals. It is a crime to employ an illegal.
            It is NOT our problem that “latin” america rejects its dregs and unproductive and encourages them to invade our country.

          • I know a lot about James Madison and the others of that era, especially Thomas Jefferson. That includes George Washington. Does the constitution say anything about Immigration? Make sure before you answer.

          • floral

            Power over “immigration” ie naturalization and citizenship is exclusively a power of Congress, so YES and the Founders agreed that not everyone should be allowed to become citizens or to immigrate. Either we have a sovereign nation with borders and restrictions on who is allowed in or we don’t have a nation state. We do and some of your posts seem to say you agree.
            Are not the laws passed on citizenship, naturalization and immigration “part of the Constitution”? Are not the passages that talk about the “allegiance to foreign powers” (cannot be US citizens, even if born here) count to you? YES the Constitution says a LOT about immigration/naturalization. Don’t be a mumpsimus.
            Make sure before you answer.

          • floral,

            You are on a fishing trip with this one. Don’t get caught in the trap of immigration and the specific requirements for the various offices. The constitution says that Congress shall make laws, not the president. That is why DACA is illegal. It cannot be done by executive order. That is why Trump is leaning on Congress to pass some legislation on DACA. He cannot do it legally and neither could Obama.

          • floral

            I said the Constitution does say a lot about immigration and that ONLY the Congress has the power to decide immigration/naturalization per the Constitution. All the laws passed by the first Congress support the immigration powers of Congress and the laws ARE part of the Supreme law of the Land, the Constitution.
            Nothing you have said or implied changes that. It is NOT a fishing trip but fact and DACA is illegal. Your parsing does not make me wrong or fishing. The State Dept did a lot of things in 1880-1952 that were contrary to the intent of the Constitutional powers granted. I stated ONLY what the CONSTITUTION and the laws had to say. I did NOT “confuse” anything with “departments” who have not the power to change or alter or make laws, even though they have done so.

          • flora,
            Actually the constitution says very lltte about immigration.
            Let’s go back to square one.
            I did not defend Latin American illegals. I stated why they are coming here in large numbers, by their own words, repeated many times over, and provided insight from my two granddaughters’ trips to Mexico to help the very poor.
            I do not approve of illegals being awarded any kind of amnesty.
            Congress will have to deal with DACA because of Obama’s executive order.
            I stated that the border needs to be closed until Congress comes up with a new and better immigration law/program.
            I have posted facts about the Apaches and the Cherokees. I can do so on about any Native American people. I have two sources basically along with research on specific tribes. I have two books on Native American history and behavior. One by Alfred Josephy is written by a man who is a Native American and wrote on virtually every Native American tribe in the US.
            I have a copy of the US constitution handy by my computer desk all the time. I not only know it quite well but I have the history of the constitutional convention and information on the old Continental Congress. I got all that when I lived just outside of Williamsburg, VA over a period of five years. I went to the College of William and Mary in WiIliamsburg to do historical research many times.
            I understand your frustration with the border situation and illegals coming into the country. I abhor Obama’s attitude and actions toward immigration. I abhor the Democrats’ stance on immigration. We have to consider the safety of the country from all sorts of illegal and dangerous people. Europe has been a classic example plus we have had incidents with not only radical Islamic people in the US from coast to coast but with dangerous maverick residents. We cannot afford to leave immigration in the mess it is in and our border as porous as it is at present.
            The bottom line is that I am on your side on almost every issue we have discussed. I do not know what else to do or say..

          • My mother was part Cherokee. she was born in Taloga, Oklahoma in 1905. I know that the Cherokee were in Tennessee and N. Carolina in the 1780’s. The Trail of Tears of 1838 and 1839took them to Arkansas originally and then on to eastern Oklahoma. By the Civil War, they had accumulated some slaves. At the end of the war, they lost their slaves and their group structure was dissolved. Some initially avoided the Trail of Tears by escaping to the western mountains of North Carolina. But they disappeared shortly. Small pox was their likely demise as was the case in Oklahoma. By 1868, they had pretty much disappeared. They apparently while in Tennessee and North Carolina, spoke a Great Lakes dialect. However, they had a religious practice involving corn, which had to come from Mexico. That also suggests farming. I also expect but do not know, that the arrival of slaves to the white got them involved with tobacco fields. That also suggests farming. But that is about all I know of them.

          • floral

            I have property on the southern border with Mexico and residence there. It is dangerous and my property and person are at risk daily and I have suffered not just a loss of my value (it is less than 1k down from 500k, due to the unrestrained 100’s of illegals that regularly invade and damage my home and property) but had to leave because I could not prevent the hordes of illegals trampling my property rights.

          • Floral,

            Now I see where you are coming from. I understand your position and can appreciate your thinking. Therefore, I favor the US getting in gear to fix the problem. But it is not an easy task. We are dealing with a multiplicity of issues. We have the Cartells to deal with, the influx of Islamic terrorists, and a host of poor people seeking a better life but having no idea how to do that and what it takes to rise up from poverty. You are biased with the dark side of the people fro Mexico and the rest of Latin America because these people want freedom but have little idea that it does cost changes. Many do not want to change but they have to change or end up in jail. We do not nee full and running over jails.

          • floral

            You are biased in your unsupported opinion that the illegals want “freedom”. There is no evidence of that when especially they are ignorant, uneducated, diseased and get and seek welfare, “free” medical and commit crimes at all levels to get “free” living at taxpayer expense. I am not focussed on the “dark”. It is the predominant situation. You contradict yourself. They if illegally enter, are criminals, that we have coddled. I have tenants and friends and employers and employees that emigrated legally from Mexico, got educated and NEVER collected any government assistance not even unemployment. They object to illegals FAR more than do I.

          • Rex Whitmer

            If they truly want the things the Americans have, they can work and plan in their own countries and succeed, but there is graft everywhere there. They don’t seem to be able to rid themselves of it, so they suffer. This is what we fear in the USA, especially with the so called Liberals coming into power! We see Wealthy persons whom are establishing themselves as patrons of people whom believe that they should be rulers of our nation. George Soros is probably the worst of them but there are many. This as well as the Latin American shoulder shruggers who see no harm in letting people come here unlimited who’s morals and customs in no way match ours!

          • dclach

            Jerry: you’re not much of a historian. First, the immediate option for Mexicans and Central Americans is to work to improve the situation there, not to flee to another country. Second, Europeans worked for a very long time to change the situation in their own countries and only came to the USA when this country was largely unsettled and opportunity offered; opportunity for much hard work and no benefits other than the fruits of their labors. Today’s immigrants expect multitudinous benefits with work optional. Third, Muslims do not readily integrate into US society and to allow them in just invites trouble. To a lesser degree third world immigrants of all sorts invite trouble as well when allowed in in substantial numbers. You don’t seem to realize that unlimited immigration would result in a billion or three immigrants, numbers sufficient to overwhelm our society. Have you never traveled in the the third world and talked with the many who have aspirations to live here? …. Immigration is good when those immigrating come in small numbers and are carefully selected; otherwise it is bad and in large numbers it is terrible..

          • dclach,

            Strange, you said some of the same things I did. I do not favor wide open immigration, either.
            First, I said that the Native Americans in Mexico get less favorable treatment than do Native Americans in the US. Treatment of US Native Americans is not splendid. Go visit some western Indian Reservations. I know a considerable amount of Native American history. I live in the midst of it. It is not splendid. But their struggles have been about like the Native Americans in Mexico or Central America as Europeans (Spanish) do rule over them. The ruling class is even more rigid than the ruling classes in the US. Also, keep in mind that Native Americans are hunters and gatherers, not farmers. Agriculture is not to their liking.

            As for Islam, they do not make any attempt to adapt to our way of life at all. They do not know anything other than Sharia law. Read Chapters 2 and 8 of the Quran. Learn about the role of women and those who do not agree with them. Learn about the two major religions among the Islamic world. Shiites hate Sunnis and the other way around. Each group sees the other as Infidels as they do US citizens. They have fought against each other for centuries and it is not about to let up. Assimilation is not natural for them. In a way, that is true of some // Native Americans.

          • floral

            Wrong. Cherokees were farmers. Yaqui and Mayo were farmers. Apaches were terrorists and slave traders and did not “hunt and gather”. They stole. There were tribes that grew crops in the midwest in the summer and gathered and hunted and prepared food for winter scarcity.
            Mexico pretty much destroyed most “natives” and/or intermarried with them. Many areas of Mexico are peaceful and stable. There is a worker’s rights governmental program and good workers and educated have stable almost guaranteed employment. I used to get great dental care in Nogales at a 1/20th of the cost. The so called “poor” I saw were healthy, happy and productive, unlike our welfare recipients and drug users.

          • floral,

            Many US Native Americans were hunters and gatherers initially. More were forced into farming by the government. I am sure there are some exceptions. The Nez Perce became farmers and are quite wealthy today. So did the Coeur d’Alenes. It sort of depends on where they were placed by whites. Many western Native Americans live in places where farming is quite difficult. As a result, many are not doing well today. The Apaches were indeed, hunters and gatherers over time. They became war like when the whites encroached on them. The tribes in Oklahoma are forced into agriculture when moved there. Today very few reservations exist in the Mid West except in the Dakotas.
            Mexico is very deceiving. They do have mining and large previous US businesses. But the old Europeans have done what was done in the US as far as Native Americans. go. We had some Spanish neighbors for awhile and we learned a lot about the problems in Mexico from them. My grandkids who do mission work in Mexico go to the poorer sections of the country. It is poverty stricken big time. They have sent me photos. I know what I see.

            I watch the Justice network and find that illegals from Mexico and most of Central America work on border crossing in large numbers every day. If all is as you would suggest, why are they still trying to get out of Mexico and Central America if it is anything near what you suggest?

          • floral

            No. Cherokees were ALWAYS farmers. The Yaqui and Mayos were ALWAYS farmers. The Navajo were farmers/sheep herders. The apache did not BECOME terrorists, butchers and thieves and murderers and slavers, they always WERE banditos.

          • We do not have a lot of info on Cherokees, as they were transplants to Oklahoma. When they were moved, they were forced into farming whether they were previously or not. I do not know much about Yaquis and am not sure of you reference to “Mayos”. The Apache lived in the White Mountains and the San Carlos valley areas of Arizona. They often attacked their neighbors to the north and south because they had little sources of food from wildlife. While the area is mountainous, it is also desert. Living off the land, especially after they grew in numbers, led them to be raiders at times. They were never farmers as there is little land in their mountainous area to support agriculture.

          • floral

            Never said apaches were farmers. They were banditos, vicious slavers and murderers. They were in the mountains to hide out after “raiding”. They were not a tribe like Lakota or Sioux or Yaqui or Cherokee. They were closer to a “gang”, outlaws,rejects from other tribes, feared by all.

          • floral

            You may not have info on Cherokees but I do.

          • floral

            It has NOTHING to do with “where they were placed by whites”. The Yaqui farmers were prosperous and the Mexicans took their lands and homes and killed the peaceful Yaquis who farmed the rich fertile areas of the Rio Grande. 30k Yaquis were reduced to 3k in short order. The remaining are on a reservation in Tucson where the remaining, mixed with many ethnic groups, like Mayo, for one, and some English and German, among a few, reside. I am related.
            The farming and herding tribes were removed from their lands and farms. They did not BECOME farmers because of being “placed”.

          • floral,

            I am now getting focused on your connection with Native Americans in Arizona and perhaps Colorado and Utah. Your connection is much more confined than with other larger tribes in the western US.

          • floral

            And yours is far more “confined” than mine. You made blanket statements without personal or historical knowledge. I made no pretense of knowing all the tribes in the US, but challenged your blanket statement that ALL tribes were hunters/gatherers until “placed by white….” THAT is untrue of many Southwest tribes as well as Eastern tribes (Cherokees) at the time of the settlement of the first colonies.

            You have opinions but no real basis in history or real knowledge about native tribes. At least I have genetic relationships and first hand knowledge of the Southwest tribes as well as first hand knowledge of Mexico, past and present and have suffered from the invasion of illegals who have no respect for laws and property of others.

          • floral,

            Not exactly. There were three groups of Apaches. The Chiricawas were in Arizona. The Jicarillos were in northern New Mexico and southern Colorado and extended down into the Texas Panhandle. The Mescaleros wre in southwest New Mexico.Except for the Chiricawas, their primary food source was buffalo. I do not have any specifics but I would bet the Chiricawas also ventured to the plains for buffalo, although I have no info on that at present. I can do some digging. Basically they were a hunter/gatherer group, period, just like all the other plains Indians. They were first identified by the Coronado Expedition of 1540-1542. Their base language is Athabascan, the root language of people in southern Alaska and western Canada. They did at times, attack the cliff dwellers of southern Utah and southwest Colorado. No other tribe in the southwest US spoke their language.

          • I did make some errors in that I implied that all Native Americans were the same. They were not. I did not include eastern Native Americans, some of which were farmers. I am aware of farming by some southern/Mexican tribes, especially those who grew corn. I should have been more inclusive but my emails can get quite long. Originally most tribe in the US were hunters and gatherers but not all. Those who lived in the Plains states did not have hunting options or natural foods to utilize. Besides college courses, I have done a lot of research on Native Americans even as far south as Argentina. I also have a background in formal classes and experience in archeology and anthropology. I had classes on the Aztecs, peoples in Africa, South America and the Orient. I live in Idaho where I have access to many different Native American people and their history. I have a sister-in-law who is from the Salish tribe in NW Washington and have done reading on the native tribes of the northern Washington areas. She has told me a lot about her tribe specifically. My oldest sister has helped me with her studies and background in Native Americans particular to Idaho and Oregon. She has been doing genealogy work for the Shoshoni/Paiutes of those two states. We have made good friends with the Shoshoni in Idaho in particular. She has been doing her genealogy for some three years specifically on the Shoshoni. I am also 80 years old and not a youngster right out of school.

          • floral

            I have the same educational background and am also not “just out of school”. I still disagree with many of your statements about “poor” and “mistreatment” and the apparent excuses for reasons that result in illegal invasion of the US. Your conclusions re the necessity of immigration reform and restrictive policies are sound but your support and excuses for illegals are not. The cognitive dissonance is resounding.
            Re Apaches-if we go back to the 1600’s, maybe, but the Apaches of the 1800’s were nothing but “gangs” of banditos, a scourge on everyone and everything, and slavers of women until they were of no use for sexual purposes, after weeks of gang rape, no food or water.

          • floral,
            I think I responded to this issue quite well. I’ll see how you handled it.

          • floral

            I did not “suggest” any such thing. I said most of the people I knew were happy in Mexico, they had a lot of job security for educated, skilled, dedicated workers. The dregs, the ne’er do wells will always try to go where they think they can get “free” anything. Our “welfare” programs should not be granted to anyone but US citizens and those who are immigrants, LEGALLY, should not be allowed in without being able to support themselves and assimilate and be ONE with us. Just because someone is poor and trying to get in illegally, does not mean we HAVE to or SHOULD support them and keep them. They are foreign invaders and according to James Madison (remember HIM?) they are not the people we are in want of.

          • niknar

            Even Muslims, as all groups, are not uniform. Many come here because they like our “freedom of religion” & other freedoms we have & most of their home countries do not have. Most are not interested in Sharia law, & most Muslims in the US have assimilated well & get along well with the rest of our citizens. We’ve had 1 of the best records of assimilation of Muslims of any Western nation.

            Having said that, I’m not advocating laying down our guard, since infiltration by jihadists is a real danger, but I don’t think we should prejudge anybody by their religion, nationality, race, etc. They should be accepted or rejected (legally) by their merits or demerits, which ever applies. I would say certain factors such as what countries they’ve traveled to, how extremist their religious faction or mosque/church is, etc. could & should be taken into account, which would further cull out Muslims likely to do us harm. Let’s meld realistic concerns for our security with our democratic principles to get both the safest & fairest immigration process rather than giving into either extreme of bias.

          • niknar,

            I have Muslim friends where I live and I had friends in Pakistan, Iran and Libya. Muslims are more into their own ways including Sharia law. They are based on Judaism in that as the Rabbi reads the Jewish scripture in the original language, so does the Imam in a mosque. Most Muslim women and a lot of men are not literate in the Middle East. That concept is actually in the Quran. The bottom line is that just as the Rabbi can read only select passages, so can the Imam. This is where both religions can get off track. Does that happen in Christianity? Absolutely. People in churches do not read the Bible for themselves. They go by what pastors and Sunday school teachers dwell on. This is how we get caught off guard. Perhaps you think that Muslims do accept our customs and beliefs. The Quran even teaches Muslim people to use deceit. Unless they are converted to Christianity, we have no idea what ideas are going through their minds. There are many who have been converted and many more who are not.

            I am not a fear monger. I am not paranoid about any specific race or religious belief. But the radicals are to be watched very closely. I agree that we should not “cull” out anyone. We usually find out about them as time goes on. Then we must deal with them. The big problem with Muslims is their book, the Quran, and who teaches what.

          • niknar

            I understand your concerns, & there are plenty of reasons to be, but we shouldn’t paint everyone from a group with one broad brush. Most Muslims that I know aim to be good people, & use their religion as an inspiration toward attaining that goal, very much in the way people devoted to Christianity do.

            In fact, you have it right, when you used the word “radicals”. Those are the kinds of people to be concerned about in any group, especially those prone to violence, which anybody preaching or adhering to jihadism is likely to be.

            I do notice that you’re a lot more fair-minded than a lot of commenters here, & I appreciate that.

          • My main concern with Islam is their book and how it is used. But it is not much different than the Hebrew Bible and how it is used. There are more reasonable Rabi’s than Muslim Imams. That helps the Jewish cause.

          • floral

            The qu’ran is VASTLY different from the Torah, both in content and style and USE. The islam “religious” documents are inconsistent and contradictory in theology and violent and display a degraded sensuality and encourage sloth and murder and deceit and deny liberty, equality and individual responsibility.

          • floral,

            The Old Testament is Hebrew in language and sets forth the Torah, which the Hebrew people were to live by. The Torah existed way before the Quran. However, the Quran referred to the Old Testament and especially the Torah when it came to foods to eat or not eat. It mentions a lot of Old Testament people, especially Abraham and Moses. Many of its roots are from the Old Testament. The Old Testament goes from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob. The Quran goes from Abraham to Ismael. I wonder why?

          • floral

            You know why. mo hammed tried to justify his hatred of Jews and Christians by coopting a very few facts of Judaism and twisting them. Abraham is said by islam to be the first and main prophet of islam. He was NOT.
            islam is NOT rooted in the Torah/Old Testament. It borrowed a few of the facts and history but failed to understand or believe the reasons and the truth and context of the Torah, which existed at least 4000 yrs BEFORE mo hammed was born. There is NOTHING about islam that has any basis in history or theology, but a lot of degraded sensuality, and paganism.

          • floral,

            Of course Mohammed “borrowed” from the Old Testament. He had to Legitimize it in his mind and then write about it.

          • floral

            That is what I said, sort of, but your previous posts seemed to equate qu’ran and the Torah. He did not legitimize the Torah in his mind, he hated the jews and twisted a very warped view of the history of the Jews to suit his insanity.

          • The Quran is based a lot on the Old Testament of the Bible. But you are right. It is not the same. I know the history of both. The Bible is Sprit based and the Quran is a multiplicity of Mohammed and the Caliphs after him. The Quran lacks consistency through out. Where the Bible can be referenced to other passages, the Quran cannot.

          • floral

            You seem to understand the failings of the qu’ran in this post, though I question and deny your stmt that the qu’ran is “based a lot on the Old Testament” (it is not a lot but a very little unimportant or outright fabrications of the Old Testament) but your others seem to equate the faith of Abraham and the Torah with the pagan roots of the qu’ran. The core of the qu’ran and islam is confused paganism, degraded sensuality and hate of anything “not muslim”.

          • floral,

            Let’s just say that Mohammed “borrowed” some Old testament to legitimize his own work. He did not fool me or you.

          • floral

            The “good” in islam is to wipe out any non muslim. They have no goal to be “good” people, just adherence to muslim cultural norms, which is antithetical to any ideals, values or theology of Christianity. You are ignorant of islam and Christianity. There is NO comparison that can equate islam or Christianity or elevate islam over Christianity, not in history, theology, culture or anything.

          • niknar

            What a warped mind you have!

          • floral

            Your insults and opinions are uninformed, inaccurate, illogical. You are wrong in almost everything you post, mumpsimus.
            You cannot prove me wrong, factually, about islam or muslims.

          • niknar

            “Your insults and opinions are uninformed, inaccurate, illogical. You are wrong in almost everything you post, mumpsimus.”

            I love it when you tell the truth about yourself like this.

          • floral

            mumpsimus-non responsive.

          • niknar

            Just like any child who’s just learned a new word, you leap at the chance to use it as much as you can. Have fun!

          • floral

            typical of a lib/dem/prog mumpsimus. Too bad you don’t have a very good vocabulary. I can use words where they are appropriate. Unfortunately for you, you have not a clue about anything and cannot even insult “appropriately”, you mumpsimus you.

          • niknar

            Oh, you use “mumpsimus” as if it were an endearment! I suppose I should be flattered by all the attention you keep giving to me!

          • floral

            You clearly have not a clue about what Jerry believes and has said.

          • niknar

            Talking about beliefs, if you take all your beliefs, at least any that are remotely political along with many of your beliefs regarding science, & started believing the exact opposite of each one of them, you would be far closer to the actual truth. That is how manifestly inaccurate, bizarre & perverted your view of the world is.

          • floral

            You know NOTHING about my beliefs. YOU apparently BELIEVE in science, have FAITH in science WORSHIP science, which to me is a TOOL, not the be all to end all nor GOD. It changes all the time. You are on shifting sand, you pathetic.

          • niknar

            How could I not know about your beliefs? You spew them out every chance you get! You are a true believer of fascism that eats up all right-wing & Russian propaganda, such as what this article talks about: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/putins-trolls-keep-targeting-john-mccain-and-other-gop-trump-critics/

          • floral

            Wrong again. We do NOT have a record of muslim assimilation, not from the “refugees” bo forced on the US. US citizens from birth, who became muslim are not “refugees” nor can you count them as “assimilated” , nor can you count them as understanding islam, but many DO and HAVE claimed islam is the only true religion and call for Christians to be dismissed and discriminated against. There are courts in the US that HAVE allowed cases involving muslims to be decided on Sharia law to the detriment of women and children and our legal system. Muslims do NOT assimilate-it is contrary to the basic tenents of their governmental system.

          • Rex Whitmer

            Jerry, Those people can get the freedoms they see here, if they are important enough to them! This means that you have to work, and save and be the best you can be. People in those countries do not seem to have very much ambition or real desire for true freedom. They want these things given to them. Because of this attitude and the fact that so many have come to America, and Americans have made life so much easier for themselves, they seem to believe that they will be given these things with no work on their own! Americans on the other hand feel guilty that these people DON’T have these blessing so they want them to come and enjoy! These things mean little to the interlopers, whom come here expecting everything to be handed them on silver platters!

          • Rex,

            Based on what I know about Latinos and Europeans as well as Muslims, those with drive usually succeed. We do.

          • floral

            You might learn something about muslims if you read Churchill’s take on them. He said while there are individual muslims who are outstanding people, the cult of islam militates against productivity, that muslims are poor farmers, businessmen, they tend towards sloth etc. because their “religion” dictates every aspect of their lives, even down to personal hygiene, He goes on and on about them as a group, who cannot understand individual responsibility, liberty, justice much less equality. No “good” muslim has any drive to succeed, except to wipe out any non muslim……

          • floral,

            I jumped ahead on your emails to get your overall total take on illegals. I am sure that where you live, has a big influence on your opinion of Latinos. I also see you don’t have much love for Muslims. I had a course in Middle East history on college taught by a Muslim professor. He required us to have a Quran so I got one. Therefore, I know a lot about Islam. But more importantly I have kept the Quran for a great many years and know it well enough to quote it in internet posts. I understand their religion. I am not going to detail much here except that I understand Muslim thinking. It comes to Muslims via the same way the Torah came to Jews. It depends on who the “teacher” is. The Imam reads the text just as the rabbi did with the Torah. What people believe depends on the beliefs and thinking of the person doing the reading because the average person was/is illiterate. Besides my education, I have Muslim friends where I live as well as having dealt with Muslims in Pakistan, Iran and Libya.
            I am the same way with Latinos. I had Spanish for two years in high school and a year in college. I have had Mexican neighbors who are old school pure Spanish and not the average Native American mixture. I live in an area where Hispanic kids learn English while most parents do not. The kids have grown up to move into other lines of work rather than working in farm fields all day when it is 100+ degrees. The men are now working on power and telephone lines, highway projects driving equipment, and especially in landscaping. The women have gone from fast food restaurants to sales positions in retail stores and restaurant work, including management. The kids’ parents often resorted to stealing at first. But they learned better. The parent have never attained a much of a higher status but the kids have. In southern Idaho and eastern Oregon small farm communities there is a lot of feelings not unlike yours, due to the labor camps. But in the large metro areas that has changed. The Latinos have changed and the white attitude has also changed. Some of your thinking is GOP. I like that part.

          • floral

            No, there is NO comparison between the Torah and the qu’ran. The qu’ran is inconsistent, and inherently contradictory and inherently illogical. The Torah precedes the Qu’ran by almost 6000 yrs. and the textual integrity and transmission over the years is proven accurate (Dead Sea Scrolls). Not so the qu’ran which has no textual integrity nor accuracy of transmission and borrows from many pagan sources and only a few coopting of ancient Judaic traditions. mo hammed is/was a pedophile, uneducated warlord, psychotic by most accounts, etc.
            islam is a pagan sourced cobbled together mythology that is antithetical to Western Civilization and especially Christianity/Judaism and the rule of law, liberty and equality and justice.

          • floral,

            I see you jumped to some conclusions. But you have the right idea about the Quran.

          • floral

            I jumped to no conclusions. I have a whole host of history, facts, theology and observation and knowledge of the qu’ran and its application and its dismissal of and antithesis to, western civilization, law, justice, liberty, equality to inform my conclusions. It is not an “idea” about the qu’ran, but the truth as
            deduced from the texts and actions and cultures of its adherents/devotees by many, including Churchill. The danger and warlike nature of islam was known to our Founders, notably Adams and Jefferson and the 1st war the new US had to defend against was the muslim nations of the Barbary Coast, the originators of the slave trade and the conquerors of the African nations over a 300 yr period of rape and pillage by MUSLIMS who told our Founders that the US was the enemy and that their highest good was to attack any nation not muslim because it was Satan and to die in the service of allah in this way was their ticket to paradise and perpetual virgins for their pleasure (the degraded sensuality). We lost over 3k US sailors to muslim castration, forced conversion, slavery and/or death.

          • floral,

            You are well read and knowledgeable on the Bible, the Quran and on historical events. I agree with what you are saying. While you have been in seemingly disagreement with me, that is not so. I am utilizing my own sources to support you.

            One of those is a series of archived video tapes by a former Islamic individual who has converted to Christianity.
            Mohammed used the Old Testament to create his own story with emphasis on Ishmael and not the actual on-going family of Abraham.

            While the Quran attempts to justify its existence by quoting many Biblical topics, it is not in any way an actual God inspired document. The Quran in many places, devotes whole chapters to evil attitude toward Infidels, such as Atheists, Jews and Christians. The Quran has been added to by cruel Califates who were assassinated for their evil, heavy handed behavior. It is not my idea of a “religious” book. The two factions of Islam, Shiites and Sunnis, each consider the other to be infidels. Hate is used many times over in the Quran. Love is not mentioned that I know of. Both are a complete contrast to the Bible.

          • floral

            Not illegals because it is a crime for them to work in the US without permission and legal residency and tins. Crime upon crime-illegal entry, fraudulent work documents, id theft.
            If you are talking about legal immigrants, I will grant you that they have upward mobility. I have lived and worked in major cities. Illegals abound and attitudes have worsened towards the freeloading illegals overrunning medicaid, schools, hospitals, welfare etc.
            My thinking is NOT GOP. Some repubs agree with me, some dems also. If you want to like what you think is GOP thinking, that is your opinion.
            I am an originalist (Constitution with degrees in law, and the Constitution) and lifetime of study of the Founders and the history thereof) If I can attribute my “thinking” or philosophy to anything, it would be the Founders, Locke, Chief Justice Story, the Federalist Papers, C. S. Lewis, Protestant Christianity, Churchill, even some socialists and atheists that informed me why they were wrong.
            BTW, even though I am hardly an expert or even remember much of it, I did learn Biblical Hebrew to better study the Old Testament and Greek for the New Testament and I already, unlike most public school students I even learned Latin which was the first language the Bible was translated into. I find the 1611 translation into King James English the most comprehensible. I love the nuances in the old language and can barely tolerate the pap that is touted as more “understandable” in the more recent “translations” into slangy and unnuanced american. They are boring and uninspired and lacking in impact.
            That is the qu’ran-not good literature, not valuable in any way, not inspirational nor a guide to moral living, spiritual awakening and less valuable to a thinking person than a romance novel and not as well written.

          • floral,

            We are definitely on the same page. I respect your knowledge. We each think of politics the same way. I am, if anything, a moderate Republican and I tend to vote that way. I do support some Democrats as they tend to be located in the urban areas. Most Republicans, many of the far right, live in the rural areas and tend to those needs but tend to ignore urban areas.

          • floral

            My only disagreement was to the seeming excuses made for illegals and the seeming disconnect between your stmts about them and “native americans” and muslims and the qu’ran and your conclusions and stmts about immigration policies with which I agree, completely. Your subsequent posts closed some of the gap and I appreciate your more detailed explanation showing how we substantially agree on the need to close the borders and stop unbridled immigration.
            The only remaining “disagreement” is what appeared to me to be an insult with your comment on immigration and the Constitution, “make sure before you reply”. Congress does have the exclusive power to determine immigration and naturalization. Unfortunately, a few 1800’s and early 1900’s court decisions and state dept actions , and Reagan’s mistake in granting amnesty to millions have bollixed up the works and we are in danger of losing our sovereignty as a nation state.

          • floral,

            I am sorry, I did not mean any insult when I said, make sure before you respond, is good advice for me as well as anyone else. We get busy typing and forget to think before acting.

            I watch a program on the Justice network called, Border Walls. I have been watching it for several years. The most common reason illegals give for coming to the US is jobs, not freedom. I also hear that same discussion in Congress. Therefore I place validity on it. Add to the fact that I have two granddaughters who visit Mexico sometimes twice a year. They send photos that show terrible poverty. Most of the photos show the families either outside or inside the house. Therefore they are not just emphasizing poverty. It just is visible in and around homes. This is factual information, not my bent on poverty or “freedom”. I have not been to Mexico since 1955 so it has changed a lot, yet hasn’t. It is not unlike the Native American home on reservations. By the way, I have become accustomed to calling Indians, Native Americans because of whiners who object to calling them Indians. That error came from Columbus.

            As for Native Americans, I had classes on some in college, both in history and but archeology and anthropology. I have also had anthropology courses that covered people all over the world. I have books on Native Americans in my own library.

            As for my comments in Islam, it comes fro not only the Quran but having gotten acquainted with Muslims in Pakistan, Iran and Libya, first hand. Iranians are Shiites while the others are Sunnis. Each consider the other to be infidels. They have been at odds with each other since 800 AD. I have compiled a lot of information in research from books to photos to internet data, which I don’t always trust.

            I absolutely agree that we are slipping backwards on our sovereignty. PC does not cut it. Neither does the racial garbage that is everywhere. I treat all people alike. I use oral comedy when I meet someone for the first time, especially. It seems to disarm them and make conversation more friendly. Every person is a person by name, not by race, religion or any other form of comparison. I could send you several examples of my first encounters with black people in Virginia. When I went there in the 1950’s, segregation appalled me.

          • floral

            I have studied closely the issues of immigration and naturalization and the Constitution and all the scholars and Founders stmts re same. I always “make sure” before posting. The problem is not with the facts but how they are presented.
            I have 40 yrs worth of study, AFTER college and advanced degree classes. I found that independent study lead me to far different in depth knowledge than the pap that was spoon fed as “assured” results.
            I was raised in the military and segregation surprised me when my father was stationed in North Carolina. I thought little of it, because even in a mostly white community, blacks were not abused nor very discriminated against and even as a child and teenager, we had black and spanish neighbors (in the 50’s and 60’s) and schools were sort of integregated by neighborhoods (though it is true that there were few blacks and hispanics in any but the “lower” class neighborhoods in which I as a poor military brat and therefore “lower class” could afford or be allowed to live in.
            In AZ, segregatinon seemed to be self imposed by the hispanics and the blacks, and discrimination was against ME as a “white”. In college, there was little to no discrimination or segregation (late 60’s).
            “Poverty” is relative. Some of the mexican houses had dirt floors, true and few furnishings but the people were well fed, healthy and happy. Even in the US the “poor” have TV’s, cable, smart phones and are NOT so healthy nor eat well. I have lived below the poverty line for many years without government assistance, and save my money so that I have hopefully enough to live decently in retirement and be able to share. Dirt floors are not all that uncommon in desert climates and do not necessarily mean extreme poverty.
            Just because illegals come for jobs, does not mean they are to be allowed to do so, nor allowed to stay, and I know you agree with that. No illegal can LEGALLY work in the US, so they are committing crimes 1. coming illegally 2. stealing id’s/ss#/committing fraud. These are NOT the “worthy part of humanity” to which we should induce to come or give amnesty to.
            The US has given more than 9 billion $ from the US Bank to the mexican nat’l oil company to drill in the gulf while denying US workers and gas companies the same rights to try to “help” mexico with jobs. That is just money down the rathole, along with ALL the other “charitable” aid from taxpayers. The War on Poverty created MORE poverty in the US and created a permanent dependent underclass (the worst kind of slavery). Do you really think any more programs in Mexico will stem the tide of illegals or end poverty in Mexico?
            PS the “cartels” were fueled by the bo admin’s program of providing ever more powerful weapons under the Fast and Furious program run by the uber idiot Holder. There is NOTHING taxpayer money, “administered” so poorly by government can do about the “poverty in mexico” nor should it. We need to learn the lessons from the lib/dem/prog/socialist failures NOT to try to “end poverty” by taxpayer money.

          • floral,

            One thing I note in this post is that the Spanish(white) people control the purse stings of government. I learned that from my visit to Mexico in 1955. We had neighbors here that were Spanish folks and lived in a lot higher standard than the normal Mexican people. They informed us about how the government is run. It is very biased against the Spanish/Indian mix.
            I grew up in the back country of Idaho just outside the huge wilderness area. It was also a mining area. I am used to seeing dirt floors that miners had. In fact, many had dug-out cabins which were just dug into the hillside and had logs on three sides. The backs ere usually rocked up and a rock fireplace was in the middle of the back. Tent cabins were also a very common home as well. As many as 2-4 people lived in them year round. The old log cabin of Packer John was built to hold food supplies. It had one door and no windows. A family of four kids lived in it for two years including winters. It had no floor. But that was in the 1860-1880 period. There are still some old dirt floor cabins in the back country.

          • floral

            I think that your friends are biased and not quite accurate. Not all of Mexico is governed the same and from what I know and learned when I lived in one area, the Arabs who emigrated in the 20’s and 30’s control some of the government, and there are no pure Spanish. True, there are some blue eyed blondes there, but they are not in control and are a minority. Most Spaniards were mixed with arab/muslim/mongol blood from the invasion of Spain and Europe by the muslim hordes. Most of the residents of Mexico are descendants of those few spaniards who conquered native tribes.
            I would venture that mexicans in Mexico City are stratified and many are quite poor and unhealthy slum dwellers. There are also a number of descendants of Germans in Mexico, mixed with “native indio tribes”. The educated and wealthy I am sure look down on the peons, but the grandees were not necessarily “spainish” pure bloods.
            Again, dirt floors and few furnishings do not mean abject poverty. Healthy and happy are the mexicans I met a lot of.

          • floral,

            My grand daughters have sent me photos of the places they have visited. The rundown houses and dress of people tell the story.
            As for my friends from Mexico, they are Spanish minus any Indian. They talk about the poor and why they are poor. The government does not care about any sort of welfare.

          • floral

            I cannot agree with that because there are very few (spanish/white) people in Mexico and fewer still in government “controlling” the purse strings. Certainly there are few if any “whites” of any european origin at least not “pure” or even 1/2. I noted from my time in Mexico and knowledge of the government then (having to deal with the government on a business level in the 80’s and 90’s), that there were a number of officials from semitic origins (Arabs) and a smattering of part German, but all seemed mixed blood and almost none were even apparently (white).
            No one not born of Mexican citizen parents could be citizens, even to this day.
            In any case, it matters not one whit why or if “mixed indio blood” mexicans are “looked down on”. Illegal is illegal and there are no illegals who can work “legally” therefore they commit crime after the initial crime. You do seem to agree with that.

          • floral,

            You seem to be more on top of the political situation in Mexico than I am so I’ll give you that one. No, I do not favor illegals any more than you do. There seems to be a reason more Mexicans don’t choose the legal way of entering the US. When caught, they always say they are seeking work.

        • Rex Whitmer

          Yeah! A few years ago they were teaching Mexican history in Tucson, AZ.

      • Rex Whitmer

        You’re right Last. Previously all incoming persons who wanted citizenship had to be able to provide for themselves and family. No welfare! They could apply for citizenship after five years residence and had to prove that they could read and speak as well as understand ENGLISH. In my work before I retired I often had to interview persons whom could not understand or speak English. To my really utter surprise, I also discovered some people whom were actually born here couldn’t speak English, but they had been raised in What are called BARIO’s where everything is done in Spanish!

      • Teresa Barrows

        oh really… hmmm I seem to recall a WHOLE SECTION of US history devoted to how Chinese and Irish laborers that help build railroads… so who is the MORON, mr. last of the patriots???? or have you chosen to only recall points of “history” that suite your needs… never mind the facts? At least I have enough brain cells to know that Immigrates at one time help to make us what we are today! OH, just so you know… I don’t believe that if the individual is here illegally he/she should be allowed to stay… so put that where the sun don’t shine and sit on it!!

        • Last of the patriots

          I won’t even comment to you, because your just a stupid broad running her yap like usual. It’s people like you who make us veterans sick, just listening to you. People like you are destroying America, and when it happens, i hope the muslime scum shuts you up permanently. Stupid broads comments are irrelevant!!!

          • Teresa Barrows

            You, won’t comment because I called you out…. IF your a vet then thank for the service to your country… as for destroying America… I not the one doing the name calling… nor am I the one is being rude,my guess is that your primary issue is you don’t like “women” that choose to be more then a barbie doll and house maid to men… but all that aside… I wish you well in all that you do, and may the Good Lord Bless YOU and this Country.

          • floral

            Stupid males comments are sexist as WELL AS IRRELEVANT!

      • floral

        Actually, the Founders (and all who formed the Revolution were Founders) were almost exclusively Christian, European and/or products of Western Civilization. Yes, there were slaves but many free negroes also who fought in the Revolution for the US. We were one people, not a diverse collection of ethnic groups who kept their own cultures.

    • Anthony Guastella

      The immigration you mention was needed long ago. And my immigrant family came to assimilate and not tear down. And this nation is a European/English founded nation, based on Christian principles and Biblical morality and guidance. DACA is another MArxist tool. These monsters who do and play on peoples sympathies have an agenda and it is not for this nation or its culture or way of life. DCA was wrong in the first place. Does it occur to you that no other nation puts up with this nonsense? Does it occur to you we are the largest debtor nation in the world, and we are on the precipice of monetary Armageddon? The former Moslem POTUS caused this problem. What about Americans who need help and assistance, constantly? DACA people are mostly not children any longer and could have applied for citizenship long ago. With over 320 million people in the US, immigration is not needed nor conducive to our economy or freedoms or culture and way of life.

      • Rex Whitmer

        Shhh, don’t tell anyone, but our money backs up all the other monies in the world! Don’t know what will happen if they find out that it’s about like the BIT coin! Well almost. Bit coin doesn’t even print itself on paper. Time to buy a bit of gold, silver, maybe a diamond or two, you know just in case things start to happen?

    • An American

      We can no long afford to support illegal people any longer, they are bankrupting our country and over loading our schools and hospitals, and getting into welfare and Social Security and taking away from us who have worked all our life. Social Security hasn’t given us a raise in 4 years! Everything just keeps going up because more money is needed to support the illegals. Oh! I believe these Dreamers have had plenty of time to become a legal citizens of the U.S.A. Why haven’t they?

      • Krazeehors

        Yep. And when we DID get a so-called “raise” of a whopping 2%, EVERY PENNY went to Medicare premium and, according to a law passed by Congress, will CONTINUE to go to Medicare Premiums.

        My Medicare Premium went from $109.40 to $132. If you do the math, that amounts to a 21% Medicare Premium INCREASE.

        My actual Social Security payment has NOT increased in FOUR YEARS.

        • SeanM62

          For your woes, thank the Rethuglicans – it was their doing.

          • Richard Reiter

            Hey Sean62, I think LBJ was the one that robbed the SS, and I believe he was a demass!!!

          • SeanM62

            And Rethuglicans keep underfunding it, then complain that it will be insolvent soon. Classic GOP tactic – underfund, then blame any shortfall or screw-up on the Dems.

          • Richard Reiter

            So you don’t think the 1.2 billion owed to the system is a big part of the issue? If LBJ had not started this in the first place, which proves that demwits still won’t accept responsibility, we wouldn’t be talking about this fifth years later!

          • floral

            No the dems did that too. Who has been in power the most? DEMS.

          • floral

            No it was LBJ a dem, with his war on poverty (which increased poverty) and his medicare (which is a farce and not care nor medical, certainly NOT healthcare)

      • raffaelecafagna

        The price for Illegals : $ 145 Billions a year ; nothing to our homeless and vets . Done by Obama to destroy this Nation .

        • floral

          A LOT more than 145 billion……estimate is 10 trillion for just “refugees” over 10 years

    • Krazeehors

      While I agree with the PREMISE of the poem on the Statue of Liberty, the FACT is that THOSE immigrants came here LEGALLY. Therein lies the difference. We are inundated with people sneaking into our country, and yes, that includes those parents who brought their children here “through no fault of their own.”

      Those children are now GROWN. I have seen many of them who STILL do not know English; Muslims who flat-out REFUSE to assimilate even to the point of sending THEIR children to “Sharia Schools,” where NO US History is taught, where NO Political Science is taught, NO civics, etc. Some of these DACA kids who have grown up here have joined gangs, committed horrific crimes, and done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to better their situation, to be a PRODUCTIVE American.

      THAT is where MY objection to DACA lies.

    • raffaelecafagna

      You are a FOOL ; Inform yourself about our immigration Laws : One particular Law says : no person can go to another country without permission . It is an International law and a LAW very well Respected in Mexico . Go there without permission , you will be in prison chained to a metal ring in the floor with cockroaches and rats as friends ; used , abused and no one to help you .

    • TontonB

      Your entire thesis is summed up this way. A serial murderer is in front of a judge for the first time 25 years after killing 5 people. But now the serial killer is a medical doctor and has not committed another murder for the last 25 years. What a fine upstanding citizen the murderer has become. Why the murderer has saved countless lives in the last 25 years. How can the murderer be expected to pay for killing 5 people 25 years ago? However, the judge doesn’t quite see it this way. You see a felony is a felony. Whether committed yesterday or 25 years ago. Especially a felony for which there is no Statute of Limitations. So, although your writing tugs at the heartstrings, it is not founded in any rule of law which a sovereign and civilized country must follow.

      • Teresa Barrows

        okay I see your point… and in this example would certainly agree that he/she does have to “pay” for murdering someone… and yes would be a felony… but when it comes to the law… it also states that once the individual is caught, found guilty of the crime, and serves the sentence given that the “debt” to society is full-filled, right. Yes this individual would still have a felony record but since he/she served his or her time in prison and has shown to have changed his/her morals and UPHOLD our laws, should be still deport the person?? based on one mistake 25 years ago… my question would be why did he/she commit the murder in the first place… was it self defense or a random act of violence?

        • TontonB

          If adjudicated self defense then it would be at most man slaughter. Unless one appeals the legal system to have a record expunged, the felony remains. In addition, the felon must request through the courts to have civil rights restored. Otherwise, the felony and loss of civil rights remain. So we have an illegal alien (felony) who committed murder (felony) and became an MD. How our illegal alien passed the any state medical licensing without being discovered is another problem in our immigration system.

    • raffaelecafagna

      You are a leftist liberal , confused and very brainwashed . Your brain ended under the sole of your shoes .

    • SeanM62

      Your detractors are very nasty, unchristian people.

      • TontonB

        Well thank you very much, God! So it’s Christian to break the law? Why don’t you find out how ‘Christian’ Mexico is by crossing the border from the US into Mexico. Oh, and make sure you don’t have any documents issued by the Mexican government allowing you to legally be in Mexico. The last thing you will hear is ‘Adios Gringo’.

        • SeanM62

          I know Mexico – I lived there for 4 years off and on. Very nice people with a corrupt government, Now we are being governed by a corrupt government and have become a banana republic under Cheeto and the fascist Rethuglicans.

          BTW – why are so many Trump followers ashamed to show their face? Like you.

          • TontonB

            Yes but you obviously lived in Mexico legally. You’re skirting the issue with red herrings. The core question is do we enforce our immigration laws, or become the banana republic like Mexico? I’ve lived in a foreign countries also. I speak a one of the national languages of Switzerland. But, I was there legally and was therefore able to stay. We are discussing illegals in this country. Not legal immigrants!

          • SeanM62

            Laws are made by those who will profit from the laws. NAFTA, which I do not support, screwed up the economies of most countries that signed the agreement and the high-money boys raked it in while most people were negatively affected – some were destroyed economically and have no options but migration. And then there is the drug epidemics in this country that fuels the creation of cartels in Latin countries and makes life hell and death closer than ever. Today Trump is ending the legal status of 200,000 refugees, forcing them to return to countries run by right-wing fascist dictatorships. Much of the illegal migration to the US is caused by conditions originating in the US. But we will never take responsibility.

          • TontonB

            Most of the ‘illegal migration to the US is caused by conditions originating in the US.? What????? So as long as we let the US economically and socially descend into hell no illegals will want to come here? BTW, and not an incidental fact, Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law. What role did the Clinton Foundation play in the decision to sign NAFTA into law? According to you and others, Trump is the American-Hitler. So why would you want 200,000 refugees to leave a ‘right-wing fascist dictatorship[s]’ to come to another one? That defies logic and is extremely phony and hypocritical. So all the cartels are doing is filling the demand. The fact that they are ruthless murderers is because the have to be to survive? If only the cartels weren’t fulfilling such an important need in the US, the governments of the countries in which they reside would crush them? No the truth is that they are ruthless murderers who don’t give a damn about where their poison is distributed and sold. And you think the US is the only market where they peddle their poison? Why hasn’t the Mexican government crushed the cartels? I’ll tell you why. Because the Mexican government benefits monetarily and Mexican politicians don’t want to have their testicles (men) cutoff and sewn into their mouth, and then be beheaded! Your type makes be physically ill! You blame the country which makes it possible for you to spew your venom (with no recourse), and the country which is the only one left on Earth between us and the Islamic 7th century barbaric heathens.

          • niknar

            Great points!

          • floral

            typical of illogical, uneducated lib/dem/prog/socialists, like niknar and sean

          • Rex Whitmer

            Even If that were so, which it isn’t what do you think of a woman whom has sold 20% of the Uranium in the USA’s stockpile to a wanna be enemy? What to you think about a woman whom would place a man working for her in a dangerous place, not fortify it, and when it was attacked by enemies ignore the plight of those she left there? What would you think of a woman whom would steal furniture and machinery from the White House Office and sell it? What would you think of a woman who put her nation in danger by ignoring safety rules and exposed the business of state to anyone whom desire to hack into it? Now, we have on instance of a man who claims that another man told him a story about messing with women, no verification, no names only his story! Now, my friend which person would YOU sleep will with at the head of the government? We realize that the Democratic party is very interested in following Herr Goebels philosophy of how to tell a lie. That is tell the same story over and over again and eventually some one will believe it! I’d say that the Dem’s make pretty good FACISTS, wouldn’t you???

      • floral

        WHO are YOU to judge what is Christian or not? I can only conclude that YOU are uneducated, vile, illogical and not a knowledgeable US citizen.

    • Dan

      Teresa last information I saw was that 22% of the DACA entries were responsible for a lot of criminal behavior. When Obama made this law it was supposed to be temporary and not a reason to let illegals in indefinitely. We are a different country now than when the statue of liberty was erected. Those that came here legally did not come here for a free handout like many today. We did not have terrorist threatening our lives at that time. Those are just a few of the differences. The worst part of DACA is chain migration where those in now can have anyone that is distantly related come here also. That along with lottery migration makes this a lot different than what you talk about.

      • Rex Whitmer

        It should have been reversed first thng a year ago!

    • Teresa , not to impugn your ideas . Please consider that the poem written on the base of the Statue of Liberty was written by a very ” Liberal ” progressive who did not, at all, understand what the sculptor of the statue built it for.

      The Light of the torch of liberty was to show the world that there was ” Freedom ” in America and if you wanted your country to be free , learn from America and free your country. It was not a call to come and live in America.

      The Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island Foundation had nothing to do with the creation of the Statue of Liberty. It sits on what was once known as Bedloe’s Island.

      This is just another reason to dislike the twisted thinking of Regressive / un-liberal /socialist / globalists. I grew up in New York City and went to a real school where we were taught truth. ( Yes , a ” Private ” Catholic school where the tuition was a ” Whole ” $ 4.00 a month for me and my sister in the 1950’s ).

      Don’t let yourself be fooled by what libs call thinking. They are for the most part , anti- God , anti- Freedom and totally anti- society. They kill babies and call it women’s health issues , they booed God at their convention. They show they are not what America needs. Remember , The Average age of the DACA ” Children ” is 23….They are not all kids And they sure as hell aren’t dreamers ! !

    • DrBarbara

      Teresa, there are certainly aliens in our country who are trying to make a better life for themselves, and if they have followed the laws of our land and are contributing members of society, that is IF they are not taking from taxpayers but are giving into our economy, then they deserve to have a shot at citizenship. That doesn’t mean they are automatically Americans~~ it means they will be considered. Those who are on the dole and have criminal records are going to have to go home and straighten up and then work to make their country productive. When the first immigrants came here most of them only had a few dollars and could not speak English, but they came with the desire to work hard and become productive Americans. BUT Muslims should not be admitted under any circumstances. Their only purpose is to destroy our way of life.

      • Rex Whitmer

        No one deserves to be here, whom has not been invited. Just like your home, if I break into your home, whether I steal anything or not, I have broken into your privacy without your permission and have committed a felony! If I break into your home and wash your windows, I’ve still committed a felony. Does that explain it a bit to you? If anyone comes in without permission he or she has invaded your privacy. Next time you question think about it like this. If you wouldn’t mind, I’ll just go to your house and make myself at home there! If you’ve locked your doors and windows and I break in uninvited, it is no more of a felony than if you’d have left your doors and window wide open!

    • niknar

      Very good points you’ve made!

    • floral

      The Statue of Liberty has NOTHING to do with Constitutional immigration policy. The “quote” was a poem written by a Frenchman and does NOT reflect the Founders’ attitude towards immigration. James Madison SAID “we are NOT in want of the poor, uneducated, unskilled who cannot assimilate, does not believe in our values (liberty, justice, equality) does not give up allegiance to foreign nations and who does not or cannot contribute to the wealth and growth of our society. In short, if they cannot become (legally) ONE OF US, we don’t want them.

  • Larry Brule

    TRUMP IS A PUSSY CAT COMPARED TO ME. KICK THEM ALL OUT!

    • raffaelecafagna

      and what can you do .???????? Please …..tell us .

      • Shecky

        Jeez, please get a clue. He was referring to if he was president and it would be the same as I would do. Illegal is “against the law” and when you break the law there are consequences. If we are a land without laws and they aren’t to be enforced….I’d head to our state capital and get rid of the likes of brown, pelosi, fienstien, harris and their ilk…. but I’m held to our laws and that would be “illegal”.

        • raffaelecafagna

          YOU GET A CLUE :

          Larry Brule • 8 hours ago

          TRUMP IS A PUSSY CAT COMPARED TO ME. KICK THEM ALL OUT!
          Why is a pussy .? President Trump is fighting very hard against the scumbags in congress . Trump is demanding the ” Wall ” ; the scumbags do not pay attention . The scumbags in congress , they want open borders , amnesty to a million or more ILLEGALS or they will shut down the government . This is the situation at the moment . It is EASY to say
          ” pussy cat ” . NOW do you understand my POINT .???????????????
          Thank you and have a Blessed Day .

          • Shecky

            So why is it that a governor of our state of Kalifornistan is allowed to flaunt federal laws? Why is it that a state senator can say half his family is here without repercussions? Our governor should be arrested and anyone that harbors illegals should be in the cell with him. Why is hiLIARy still walking around without an indictment around her neck? Why is Comey not looking over his shoulder for not going after hiLIARy? I love what President Trump has been doing….I just think he’s not going after everything he should.
            You have a blessed day too.

          • raffaelecafagna

            Thank you and may God and Jesus keep you and family safe .
            DoJ is the problem , Jeff Session is asleep and needs to wake up and do his job or get out of the way . President Trump is one man doing his best for America . Scumbag democraps and RINO`s in congress are against him .

      • Of course they can be ” Kicked out “. What is so hard about understanding two words ” ILLEGAL ALIEN ” ? How about ” Legal Immigrant ” who has to learn English , have no criminal record ,learns about our Founding Documents and waits their turn which can take up to 7 years ?

        Did you not read even ozeros reports on the DACA ” Children ” ….. The average age of which is 23 ? I know ” Snowflakes ” have undeveloped minds but even they are considered Adults at 18. Yes there were real children involved and we can look into their problems BUT , the adults can and should be thrown out and kids that were sent here by their parents should be returned to their families in their home countries. It is no crime against humanity to throw illegals out. Even Bubba Clinton said ” We are a country of immigrants but we are also a country of LAWS ” And that from a real law breaker !

        It would even be less expensive for us to give them rides to the Mexican border than to keep supporting these illegals and paying for the damage they do to our economy and our society..

        • Rex Whitmer

          Yes, but many of them didn’t come from Mexico, though they did cross Mexico to get here. Since Mexico is as harsh as we should be about enforcing their borders, we can assume that they allowed them to pass through, so perhaps we could just dump them at the border and let Mexico take care of the matter. One thing for sure they don’t play around letting persons like our liberals break their laws!

        • raffaelecafagna

          My point is ; Why call President Trump a pussy cat . ???? Trump is Fighting very hard against the scumbags in congress . Democraps and
          RINOS want amnesty , open borders or they will shut down the government . President Trump is the BEST President we have had for a very long time ; Trump is the President of WE the People , he does not collect a pay check , it is donated to charity . Obama loved and loves illegals and refugees with PASSION . O just about destroyed this Nation .

          Larry Brule • 8 hours ago

          TRUMP IS A PUSSY CAT COMPARED TO ME. KICK THEM ALL OUT!
          TRump is One Man against all the scumbags in congress , the Fake Media , Soros , Clintons , Mueler ; etc.
          Why call President Trump a pussy cat .??????????????? And What can Larry Brule do better .??????????????????????????????????

          • I have never called President Trump a pussycat and I supported him after listening to him tell the other 16 Republicans what he would do and what he would do about things they would not even discuss. I am a proud deplorable. I hope he forces the issue and gets the wall and to hell with appeasing the demorats.

          • raffaelecafagna

            No , you did not . Larry Brule did .

      • Rex Whitmer

        We can’t, but if the Liberals would allow the law to be enforced, our nation would be a whole lot better off. For certain if you went to one of the countries they came from and couldn’t pay your own way, you’d be in lockup and would have to pay expenses while you were being held, if you ever got away!

        • raffaelecafagna

          My same reply to Shecky and to you Rex Whitmer :

          Larry Brule • 8 hours ago

          TRUMP IS A PUSSY CAT COMPARED TO ME. KICK THEM ALL OUT!
          Why is a pussy .? President Trump is fighting very hard against the scumbags in congress . Trump is demanding the ” Wall ” ; the scumbags do not pay attention . The scumbags in congress , they want open borders , amnesty to a million or more ILLEGALS or they will shut down the government . This is the situation at the moment . It is EASY to say
          ” pussy cat ” . NOW do you understand my POINT .???????????????
          Thank you and have a Blessed Day .

          • At least he made a comment about what he would do. You do not make yourself look intelligent by reposting it three times.

    • RC

      To a point I agree with you. But if one was brought into the country at a very early age, worked hard, is gainfully employed and made something of himself I feel he should be cut a little slack. By that, I definitely don’t mean give him citizenship. He has to earn that. Send the rest home. Personally, I never did understand what the so called liberals don’t understand about the two words, Illegal alien.

      • DrBarbara

        I know, right? Illegal~~ criminal, alien~~ doesn’t belong here. Pretty simple.

        • Barbedwire

          Also, when the stats, truth is actually pointed out; these DREAMERS are not and don’t have the QUALITIES, that the left/lib/dems. CONSTANTLY GIVE THEM. The truth is more costly, more negative in their “fitting in”.

      • TwoElks

        Do we pick and choose which laws we wish to obey ? That certainly is the case on illegal aliens. We either enforce all of laws or none. Our last 5 Presidents refused to enforce our immigration laws, I hope we do not have a 6th.Far to many of our elected officials have sold their soul and their country for money, power and votes. WE re-elected most of them !

        • RC

          you are so right. The law should be for EVERYONE but there’s obviously a cast system in this country. If we’re not very careful this will no longer be a free country for those of us who belong here. People who jumped through all the hoops and worked hard to get here legally must feel like fools when they look at all the ILLEGAL ALIENS and all the benefits only we who belong here can only dream about.

          • Rex Whitmer

            Are you sure it’s still free? It definitely is for the illegals! They’d have to go to work If they were sent home. No more welfare period! And the Liberals can’t see the hurt? The shut their eyes or else they would!

      • pappy450

        To your point yes, these so-called “children” were brought in by no fault of their own, BUT they are STILL CONSIDERED ILLEGAL and those “jobs” you say they have, would probably been filled by a LEGAL AMERICAN RESIDENT if it wasn’t STOLEN by an ILLEGAL. (and they are probably paid LESS because they ARE ILLEGAL)
        If THAT is the case, the “employer” should be charged for hiring an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT over a LEGAL resident (to save money and increase profit)

        • Barbedwire

          It is LAW that no one is to harbor illegals. The focus needs to be made on citizens; who hire illegals, MUST PAY HUGE FINES and their illegals sent back.

          • pappy450

            That is exactly correct, then please tell me WHY these “illegals” ARE INDEED being hired and “law enforcement” is told to STAND DOWN “look the other way” by the elite governors and mayors (especially in N.Y and mexifornia)? HINT: “governments” that are “run” by EXCLUSIVELY by corrupt DEMOCOMMIES seem to be the BIGGEST “offenders”.

          • Barbedwire

            Yes, for some reason, as we now call them “sanctuary cities”; have NOT BEEN following the nation’s laws for a long time.

          • pappy450

            Yes, and now I see MEXIFORNIA is smitten with rampant cases of FLU. I say, oh yes,bring some more “illegals” from all over, and the strange diseases that come with them. Just keep them confined in mexifornia and use your OSCUMBAG CARE to attempt to get medical treatment…. What’s that you say? The medical people and care centers are now “overloaded” and there is a LONG waiting time? Enjoy your OSCUMBAG CARE, mexifornia you deserve it.

          • Barbedwire

            In MN, last year – Minneapolis had a new crisis of “measles” and other diseases that “we’ve” really cut down the last decades. But, those Somali’s and other illegals and refugees – don’t respect OUR laws.

          • pappy450

            Welcome to the last 8 years of OSCUMBAG HELL and his MOOSLIME, DEMOCOMMIE (communist) “open door” policy. Of course these “refugees” and “illegals” don’t obey our laws because they figure they don’t HAVE TO because no one will hold them “responsible”. Just look at that scumbag that shot the woman in MEXIFORNIA HE is being release for “time served”. If I was her father, I would be waiting outside when he got out, and “serve” him with a BULLET to the head. (or better yet find out who does the “covert” hits for hitlery, oscumbag, and the DNC and hire THEM to do the “job”)

        • Rex Whitmer

          Pappy, most of them were educated in our classrooms, giving the teachers an additional headache of having to either speak Spanish or have someone translate. They were taken to our doctors for free, they were given phones for free, they were housed in public housing for free. Now they are reaching college age and are clamoring for non-citizen scholarships. All of this made legals have to pay more, wait more and do more. If given citizenship then it should be under conditions that would repay our government who used our taxes to take care of them! Didn’t hurt??? Think of the Americans brushed out of the way for our oh so liberal, liberals whom care nothing for their fellow Americans. Who paid the taxes that got them into this honeypot? They paid absolutely nothing and many of them aren’t even good citizens!!!

          • pappy450

            OK so lets send them ALL back to where they came from (ILLEGAL “families” included.) That way we won’t be “breaking up the family” (the famous “talking point” of the “progressive” democommies)
            Just think of the “jobs” that they are stealing that could be filled by LEGAL AMERICAN citizens, and how much less CRIME and “GANGS” there would be. That would be a win-win to make AMERICA SAFE AGAIN.

        • RC

          pappy450, what I’m trying to say is that a kid perhaps 4 or 5 years old really doesn’t have much say in where he or she’s taken by the parents. Having said that, I recall doing volunteer work in a classroom. There were a few Mexican kids there who didn’t speak a word of English. Spanish speaking teachers would take them from the class and educate them in Spanish. That was and is wrong any way one looks at it. Those children had no reason to learn our language or ways. On the other hand, I feel if a person learns and adopts our ways he or she should be cut a little slack. And believe me, I am not in favor of any kind of illegals living here and bleeding our systems dry. When it comes to those things I think you might agree that the system is one screwed up mess that was caused by at least 5 previous presidents.

          • pappy450

            RC,
            The “problem” is what you say. these “children” are taught by their parents they “don’t have to” assimilate into our culture and as seen time after time are encouraged to PUSH ‘their ways” in OUR Schools (especially in DEMOCOMMIE “districts”) As seen by OUR AMERICAN-BORN children being told by school administrators they CANNOT wear any t-shirts with AMERICAN FLAGS in school when it is “their” counties “holiday”, because it will “offend them”. (and HAS caused FIGHTS) MY question IS “whose” country IS IT?? Same with MOOSLIMES. It looks like we are slowly losing OUR country due to all this “PC” CRAP, and everyone is tip-toeing around as to not “offend” some “group” that refuses to accept OUR Culture. (as they are sucking the TAXPAYERS DRY with all the “freebies” they receive).

      • jerry

        If they’ve been here as long as they’re saying they have and have made no attempt at citizenship, I do not have any more sympathy for them. Home they must go!

  • Last of the patriots

    If we keep taking people at the rate we are taking them, a few more years, there won’t be a America anymore. It will be a third world country like the European countries are. We don’t need, and American’s don’t want ANYMORE people coming to this country. And deport all the third world scum illegals NOW!!!

    • PWe72

      NO MORE muslim/islamic immigrants, legal or illegal…..Christian, Jew and Hindi ONLY!

    • Cynthia Sillaman

      AGREE…1000%

  • MILES E DRAKE

    Without the diversity visas we would have to wait for the mohammedan terrorists to sneak into the country to kill Americans with acts of jihad in the streets. This way we can assure a steady supply of head loppers, hand choppers and vagina croppers to speed up the Obammunists’ plan to eliminate the existing American population and replace it with an imported brown Third World lumpenproletariat that will keep them in permanent power in the Peoples Republic of Ameriqa that they had almost established and mean to resume constructing as soon as they can bring down the legitimately-elected President who now stands in their way.

    • Shecky

      Amen….and hope they know if they were to be successful in impeachment that civil war would be the next step.

      • DrBarbara

        They haven’t thought that far ahead. Because of past behavior they think that if they can force impeachment then all of us polite Conservatives will just sit down, and then thank them. They truly are deceived. And the sad part is that all they have to do to find the truth is shut up and listen.

        • Shecky

          lol….that one made me chuckle.
          When was the last time you knew a liberal to shut up and listen?

          • DrBarbara

            Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever known one to shut up and listen. And that includes my sister who is a bleeding-heart liberal from San Diego. I’ve asked her why she hates Pres. Trump and she fumes and sputters but never can give me a sensible answer. (sigh) All I can do is keep praying for her.

          • Barbedwire

            Really. All they know is: “they just really don’t like him”. I think it’s a hit to their ego, as he doesn’t use the “fake charm” that Obama and Bill Clinton did TO WIN THEM. Pres.Trump appeals to ALL U.S. citizens. As these leftie crybaby women TALK about being treated equally, what I’ve seen, FEMINISM means THEY WILL ALWAYS CONSIDER THEIR FOCUS TO BE PRIMARY, their wants and opinions… to be top priority, with men secondly. As a conservative – I simply require equality – and due to our Constitution and laws – THAT IS OUR RIGHT, ALREADY.

          • DrBarbara

            You are absolutely right. When I say that I like it when my husband opens my car door for me, they look at me like I have two heads….. but if they would just try being feminine they might like having the door held for them. However, they equate feminine with inequality. And here again, they won’t shut up long enough to hear that it’s okay to be feminine, and it’s okay for men to be masculine. Doesn’t mean we’re not equal, it means we like being who God created us to be.

          • Cynthia Sillaman

            THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT COMMENT!!!

          • mica

            Well said, Dr. Barb

          • Shecky

            You can choose your friends but not your family….you are stuck with them. My younger brother is the same way, he’s a prof at a small private college. I won’t go into the gory details, but he’s as big a hypocrite as they come.

        • Rex Whitmer

          One thing they won’t listen to is the TRUTH, and there is no way in the world that you can convince them that TRUTH matters.

          • Munge

            It doesn’t fit their agenda.

          • Cynthia Sillaman

            Oh…that’s SOOOO TRUE…BOTH my dghters..from SOMEWHERE..NOT MY TRAINING AND TEACHING…one 50..the other 44…actually BELIEVE..that it’s OK..2 lie…WHEN THEY AGREE 2 DO IT!!! And.I’m talking about facts of major familial significance!!! No talking w/them gets ANYWHERE. If..they R an ecample of our country’s future..I’m THRILLED..2B..69 Y.O.!!!

        • Cynthia Sillaman

          BUT…THEY WON’T!!!

      • Rex Whitmer

        lImpeachment is far more than just saying it. Trump has made no impeachable offenses. If they’re do all fired anxious to impeach someone, tell them that Obama and Hillary are both impeachable!

        • Munge

          There’s tons of libturd judges that could use to be impeached.

        • Shecky

          Heck, both of those two should be hung for treason.

          • Cynthia Sillaman

            Would LOVE 2 SEE IT!!

      • Mark Owen

        Civil war? I’m for that! Lock and load America. The left want Trump gone and we patriots will act if anything happens to him! Like Will Sonnet said no brag just fact.

    • spoken01

      rofl……you are so confused…..I wish you guys would at least leave the 1950’s and quit hunting commies..its not real dude. You guys are really stupid….and typical…..you feel better when you insult people..it makes you feel big…what an ass. I doubt that you are really an American..just an american wannabe.

      • MILES E DRAKE

        205 posts and there is not a leftist trope left out of any of them, except perhaps “paper tiger” and “running dogs of imperialism” – talk about being stuck in the 1950s. There is a modern touch, however, the repeated condescending imputation of stupidity and malice. I guess that’s what it takes to get $15 an hour from Soros and Steyer.

      • Gerry Costa

        I would say — you are the confused one !!!!!!! Have you been in a coma for the past 9 years or just closed your eyes and mind to what is happening in Europe and what the dirtbag obozo the fraud and his demoTRASH tried to pull off here in this country ???? I think you are either the biggest bleeding heart in America or a muslim yourself.

    • jimshaw54

      Miles E Drake. You are wrong. Once the, as you say, head loppers, hand choppers and vagina croppers have enough percentage of their people here they will eliminate those who think they would retain political power in this country (those you call Obammunistis). The end game of the head loppers, hand choppers, and vacina croppers is to make the United States of America into an Islamic Caliphate and all would bow to the god of the head loppers, hand choppers and vagina croppers or die (mostly die). Not one single person who is now in power, or would be in power at the time of the takeover, would stay alive for very long after the takeover of this country.

      • MILES E DRAKE

        This is quite correct. The satanists, socialists and sodomites of the progressive coalition think they are ushering in a Thousand Year Reich of the woke but they will find out soon enough that Mad Mo and his cult play for keeps. The problem is that most of the rest of us who don’t want either will long since be enslaved or decapitated.

  • SammysDad

    WaPo so in the bag for destroying America. Diversity is destroying us because there is no assimilation. When will you liberals understand, those immigrants now are coming here to build a new state for themselves, not to become Americans!

    • Rex Whitmer

      Yes, that’s true! There is a group of Mexican Americans and included are illegals, whom have the idea that if they can get enough illegals here they can vote themselves out of the Union. It’s looking more and more likely that, that’s likely what’s going on, on our west coast! Of course the libs think that that is great! I’d be glad to give ’em the three states, but it’s like the flue, they’d start spreading (actually they already are) all over the USA.

      • SammysDad

        Yeah, just look at France and Germany. The non-assimilating migrants have taken these countries over to the point where they are hardly recognizable. These migrants will never assimilate now because their population rate will have them the majority in 20 years or less.

  • Murphmeister

    Next, Tom Hanks issues an editorial under the pseudonym of Ben Bradley.

  • Teresa Barrows

    Being rude, and name calling doesn’t help someone folks… I NEVER said a thing about know all the laws… or that the Statue of liberty was “American” however it does set on our coast line in what I believe is considered US SOIL. I was simply trying to gather a better understanding…. so May God BLESS ALL OF YOU…perhaps he can help you learn not to be BULLIES just because someone might have questions or a different opinion!!!

    • David Fowler

      From looking at the comments you haven’t said a thing about knowing anything. Are you referring to a deleted comment?

    • Rex Whitmer

      Actually the statue of Liberty is on Ellis Island, a small island in the New York harbor.

      • Teresa Barrows

        oh for pete sake…. were it is physcially located was the point of the question… it’s on US soil… and it was the “POEM” inscription that was part of the actual topic…. sometimes I truly question why I bother to try to get even understand how someone else might have a different point of view… .with all the name calling, and bulling, and proverbial “red herrings” it very hard to have intelligent discussions on the internet. I think I will just go back to having coffee at one of the many local establishments and listen to what others say that way…. maybe then I can find other points of view worth investigating further.

        • niknar

          It’s amazing how some people turn a simple honest question into an attack. How can we get along if this is the way people respond to each other?

          • Teresa Barrows

            I have agree with you 100%… When I started this thread (conversation) I was hope to get feedback that was honest, without personal attacks on an individual’s point of view … why one might asked… the answer is simple I am not nor have I ever been politically or Legally council… I am just an average American from what one would consider low income bracket, that does have at least some college education… An Associate in Business Administration. While I can be an office assistance, work as a debt collector, file clerk or even a receptionist. I am by no means perfect and know every things there is about the legalities of our laws or of politics. Hence the reason I was trying to open an honest hopefully respectful, although at time bias discussion of the DACA (dreamer) and pros/cons of all sides (points of view) but I don’t think that is going to be possible at this point.

  • rocky63

    The Washington Post hires fools, liars and idiots — maybe some of them are ex-NYT professional liars.ll

    • Rex Whitmer

      The Washington Post lies as much as the New York Times! There’s not a whole lot of difference!

      • raffaelecafagna

        The Media , all of them are Fake and Liars ; all paid in full by sob Soros .

  • SeanM62

    The only people who “deserve” to be in America are Native Americans. The REAL Americans.

    • Brian W.

      Good point!

    • pepper12

      You realize “native american” is someone born here? The American Indians aren’t really such because “america” didn’t exist way back when. The ones born AFTER 1776 could be called “native american”, just like me, a white, english/german/greek mutt.

      • DrBarbara

        Now that’s a good point.

      • SeanM62

        You are just another European wannabee who will never understand so much. America is two continents plus islands that were filled with Americans in 1491. You are speaking of a country better named The United States of New England.

        • Rex Whitmer

          Actually SeanM62, the Islands were all that was occupied in the late 1400’s. The land wasn’t occupied until the 1500’s. The Indians weren’t native to the land. No one knows much about them excepting for the few corpses they have found, so apparently even the so called Indians didn’t deserve to be called natives???

          • niknar

            It is well-known that indigenous Americans (American Indians) populated the whole continent from Alaska to Central America long before the Europeans came.

          • floral

            Well known? By whom?

          • niknar

            By anybody well-educated & well-informed about history & science, & who doesn’t fall prey to the right-wing propaganda machine.

          • floral

            No lib/dem/prog like yourself is educated or informed about history & science but falls prey to the leftists propaganda. What you referred to as “well known” is not except by lib.dem prog revisionists

          • niknar

            Revisionist history was carefully crafted by far right conservatives, extreme right-wing media like Fox, conservaitve think tanks & certain extremist Republican politicians to try to play to the hates & fears of the poorly educated so as to point their hostility toward other poor, disadvantaged groups & to divert attention from them (the perpetrators of this right-wing propaganda), who were the actual ones stealing wealth, power & opportunity from them through their corporatization of America. It worked like a charm! Never has a political strategy worked so well to the detriment of a nation since Hitler’s Nazi propaganda.

            Our arch-enemy Russia has seen how well it has worked at dividing & impoverishing our nation & has joined that strategy. You are simply 1 of their many pawns. Congratulations! Putin must be so grateful to you & others like you.

          • floral

            that was bo’s tactics to drive hatred by blacks against whites-your comments would be laughable if they were not so tragically wrong.

          • niknar

            No, what I referred to has been in the works for 30 odd years, actually much longer than that. What you refer to was perpetrated by white supremacists & immoral Republican politicians exploiting racial hatred to undermine the president & divide the country. Of course, the 2 extreme right-wing propaganda campaigns have essentially become one under Trump.

          • floral

            lbj was a white supremacist-DEM. BO was 1/2 white not 1/2 black and stirred up racial hatred. The DEM party are the white supremacists, started the KKK and nutured it openly until 1968 (yr that they not longer had a NAT”L PARTY KKK plank!. DEMS created a permanent underclass of blacks with welfare and Aff Act, poor blacks you cannot succeed without handouts from whites….DEMS have been in power more than repubs and DEMS created racial strife and stir it up…..
            You are tiresome BLOCKED!

          • niknar

            Why on earth would a mixed race president want to stir up racial hatred? It makes no sense at all! The people who stirred up hate were those who didn’t like a part-black man as president — now that makes sense! Use your mind once in a while!

            And please let your “blocked” threat be true, so that I’m no longer harassed by you. It makes no sense that someone who shuts out all information contrary to her demented world view like you do would want to hear sane voices, anyway.

          • SeanM62

            Well, we have a few corpses going back 13,000 years in the New World, plus lots of archaeological sites dated at 15,000 to 18,000 years ago. Are you getting your information from Walgreens or Walmart?

        • floral

          US CITIZENS. Since the early 60’s American has been equated with US Citizen. I’ll stick with US citizen to be clear. You are parsing a dead horse.
          “native born”, natural born, born of 1 US citizen parent, naturalized citizen. It is CITIZEN that matters, not your biased, discriminatory, ill conceived and illogical claims about “true american”.

        • floral

          There were “native” tribes in New England, so you are STILL wrong.

      • floral

        Stick to US CITIZEN to be clear. Geographically the US is in North America. There is central America and South America. “American” is used by other countries to mean US citizens, but “sean” is no authority and is logically fallacious so stick to US citizen and ignore the uneducated irrational.
        US citizen can be birthright citizen, natural born, native born (jus soli-born here), born on foreign soil to at least one US citizen parent, naturalized. What has been accepted, unconstitutionally is birth on US soil, to parents owing allegiance to a foreign country and never being raised here (huma abedin). The Constitution is clear that foreign nationals (like diplomats and invaders) children are NOT US citizens by virtue of birth on US soil.

    • roy shook

      That’s bs.Do you know how many countries were taken by others.And if we don’t “deserve” to be a American what do we deserve then.You gotta be damn liberal with nonsense in your head like that. Illegal means illegal.I don’t know about you but I was born here in OUR great American nation.I belong here…Illegals….don’t belong here. Period. God bless America and all PATRIOTIC AMERICANS. And besides your argument makes no sense.Read up on some world history.

      • SeanM62

        You are a real American like I’m the King of Ireland.

        • roy shook

          Yes snowflake I am a real American. And you are a backward ass lib. I am a very proud American.And just so you know, seeing how you’re a snowflake, yes the government at that time fought a war with The United States. They lost.I’m sorry what happened back then but I wasn’t a part it. But yes I am a AMERICAN. The whole damn world has changed due to wars through the centuries. But ignorant, unpatriotic fools like you keep bringing up the same questions that have been asked to death. If you don’t consider yourself a AMERICAN that’s your trip, but I AM 100% AMERICAN. And you can go straight to hell with the rest of the liberal babykillers and queer marriage advocates. You damn libs just irritate me and disgust me with your anti — American nonsense. God bless America…..

    • Lizfan

      I’ve got news for you: even the “native” Americans migrated here to the US. From Asia. They just did it earlier.

      • SeanM62

        MUCH earlier, oh faceless one (too embarrassed to show it?). Europeans are johnnie-cum-latelies who are still European in every sense of the word – genetics, culture, language, religion and selfish attitudes.

        • Lizfan

          I don’t know how to put up an avatar FYI. & every human being on Earth is selfish to some degree. & it doesn’t matter who came to America first. It never did matter. The Europeans came over & took over. That’s what conquering nations do. Get over it.

          • SeanM62

            “That’s what conquering nations do.” That’s true. So don’t complain when Trump’s master Putin over-runs the Ukraine and other parts of Eastern Europe and continues to interfere in our elections through electronic warfare. “That’s what conquering nations do. Get over it.”

          • Lizfan

            First of all Putin is NOT Trump’s master. Secondly in case you haven’t been keeping up with current events the Russians have been interfering in our elections for years already. It started LONG before Trump ever decided to run. Heck it started long before Obama became president. & lastly I don’t care what Putin does in other countries. The US is not the world’s policeman & we shouldn’t be.

        • floral

          Maybe the picture is not you. You are just as anonymous.

    • Rex Whitmer

      Hey SeanM62, I was born in the USA as were my ancestors back to the early seventeen hundreds on both sides. Now try and tell me I’m not a native American!

      • SeanM62

        Some of my ancestors were the early 17th century thieves, too, Mayflower and all that stuff. And some got here about 15,000 years ago.

        You become an American by accepting a love of America that means you want to care for the land, the plants and animals, not just rip the s**t out of the place for money and run on to the next place when you have to leave because the land is exhausted and polluted, when you want to leave America so your grandchildren can enjoy it, too..

        • floral

          a confused, contradictory, illogical and not legal opinion.
          The US is not moving or leaving because of exhaustion and polluted, though the illegals left their countries that were/are polluted or corrupted etc to live off US citizens and lower the wages and education level to that of what they left behind.
          You are no more “american” than anyone born here. I too can trace my ancestry back to prior to the American Revolution, including Cherokee heritage on one side and early immigration (1799 on) from Europe, mostly anglo saxon/germanic. I am a US natural born citizen, with natural born in the US ancestry. Your confused and ridiculous claims are not even good or informed “opinions”.

  • Marlene

    Why wait 1 year or 2 to get rid of these illegals. I say throw them out now

  • Fedup

    These dreamers are living the dream. We, the tax payers have supported them for years. How many of them have applied for citizenship or become citizens? They don’t want to assimilate. They get everything free and can protest, wave their mexican flags and make demands while we support them and their anchor babies to the tune of billions of dollars a year. Now why would they want to become citizens and have to pay for everything themselves?

    • SeanM62

      The story sounds very much like the original English colonists. The US would be more accurately named The United States of New England. There is almost nothing left that is really American.

      BTW – Isn’t Trump an anchor baby? And have you ever seen his birth certificate? Or his tax returns indicating his enslavement to Putin?

      • DrBarbara

        Give it up Sean, Donald Trump is our President and he is trying to make America great again. Do you remember that time? When America was the greatest country ever to be on the planet; when Americans were looked up to as respected people; when others wanted to be Americans so much that they learned our language and our laws; when the only one we ever bowed down to was God Almighty; Remember those days? I do, and that’s the America I want back. Pres. Trump has shown us that we can have that back. He just needs Congress to help instead of hinder. If you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem.

        • Rex Whitmer

          Very well put DrBarbara Barbara was my sister’s name.

        • Kel57

          Amen!

        • niknar

          I remember that time. It was basically the period between the Great Depression & the Vietnam War (FDR-LBJ), when our economy was booming & people at all levels of society were improving their condition, & we were #1 in the world by far in virtually every category of prosperity & well-being. Since the ’80s, we’ve steadily declined to where we’ve fallen behind Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Germany, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Singapore, South Korea, the Netherlands, Austria, Belgium & Luxembourg, & in some criteria behind Ireland, Israel, Poland & Costa Rica, & even China.

      • Krystyna Krupa

        Were you born this stupid or is it recent? You sound like a lobotomized leftist.
        And no, President Trump is not an anchor baby. His parents came here legally. Why do I need his birth certificate when his life and that of his whole family has been very well documented. Let me also add that – unlike Muslim Obama -Donald Trump did not apply to any university as a foreigner student.
        And please use both of your brain cells and tell me how and why would Trump be enslaved to Putin. The investigation shows so far that it’s your idol Hillary who was selling our uranium to Putin.
        Gosh, you leftists are becoming so horribly dumb…
        I would explain a few things to you but I don’t have enough time and crayons.

        • SeanM62

          According to the Steele-supplied dossier, it seems probable that Putin has Trump by the goolies. The remainder of your diatribe does not deserve an answer as you are suitably gullible to be an arrogant, obnoxious Rethuglican yet to be house-broken. Agnostic Tronald Dump is his own tragedy. BTW – is that avatar you or your idol?

      • Rex Whitmer

        No his parents were immigrants, he was born in the USA!

        • SeanM62

          You have viewed his birth certificate? His mother was Scottish. His father was born in the Bronx, the son of a German immigrant, businessman and one-time brothel owner.

          No one questions Donald’s US birth because he is a blond, blue-eyed Anglo-Saxon (except for the Scottish mother).

      • raffaelecafagna

        Obama was an illegal . President Trump is an American from birth .
        Check it out .

        • SeanM62

          Q: How do Rethuglicans spell Hawaii?

          A: K-E-N-Y-A.

          Obama was born in Hawaii which is still part of the USA and stolen from the native island Hawaiians by the US Army scum.

      • raffaelecafagna

        SeanM62 : Trump`s mother and father became Naturalized citizens ; Trump was born in the USA from Two U.S. Citizen parents . Now you are INFORMED .

      • COMPU-TRON

        Barron is certainly an anchor baby.

    • Rex Whitmer

      Better start practicing your Spanish Fedup! This is apparently what the Liberals want, and the Americans are to busy playing with their phones and what not to take any heed at all!

  • GuardianFlame

    Wapo is like ALL Leftist – opening their mouths BEFORE researching the subject matter. Disgusting little maggots! If the Left doesn’t have some obscure rant to push in our faces, they clearly invent something like “TRANSGENDERISM” – a term they came up with when one mother decided to change her little healthy genetically male baby boy into a little girl.

    That mother put him in little girl’s clothes, gave him little girl toys and make up, referred to him as her “little girl” and by the time he was four (4), took him to the doctor (who butchers young children for profit) and had her 4 year old boy’s penis/balls removed and had him changed into a girl anatomically on the outside at least. Some Leftist found out what was going on with that little boy and supported the mother entirely saying her son was really a little girl trapped inside her son’s body and she was right to do the sex change.

    TA DA! Transgenderism was born!!
    The very sad thing is, AGAIN, the Left never researched what the mother did to her perfectly normal little boy but just “ran with” the concept.

    That mother is going to go through a HUGE world of hurt when her son grows up and finds out he really isn’t a girl, but a boy because his DNA IS MALE NOT FEMALE AND CAN NEVER BE CHANGED! And that as a female he can never produce nor carry a child and not having his male sex organs can’t create a child. So actually the Left has created a bunch of Insterile eunichs that can’t help grow the human population but has stopped it in its tracks. AGAIN – LACK OF RESEARCHING THE SUBJECT BEFORE GOING FORWARD WITH A CAUSE!

    That is so typical of the Left – no Visionaries, no deep thinkers, just emotional, cause-needing individuals who do nothing to take care of existing issues but continually create more emotionally driven causes to feed their own egos.

    DACA is one of the Left’s causes because it pushes our own Native sons and daughters out to make room for people who really do not belong in our country and are here to grab monies, education, jobs from our own kids. DACAs need to go back to their own Countries and “FIX” the issues there, not become MS13 Gang members who kill American people.

    No the Left needs to have a sock stuffed in their mouths and then put in a corner for time out! When they put Americans first instead of every “Tomas, Ricardo and Maria”, then our Country will be in a better place. Til then Leftists: back off, shut up, and for once in your pathetic lives…THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!

    • DrBarbara

      Wow! Great comment! And you are right, they simply don’t think, just “do whatever makes you feel good.” Bunch of cry babies.

  • Teresa Barrows

    Mr. Hernandez, first let me say thank you … your one of the few that have commented on my original posting “without” making me feel like I had to protect myself…. I sincerely appreciate what you said… as this was the type of “CLARIFICATION” and discussion I was seeking in the first place… I believe everyone has an opinion (right, wrong, good, or bad) whom to say…. but open “adult, non-abusive, RESPECTFUL, discussions are helpful to gain a better understanding of ANY situation… and for me at least it helps me have a broader understand of current events and sometimes even makes me reconsider my original opinion. So once again, thank you and your right about one thing….I hadn’t given thought that instead of it being an actual open invitation to the US… it was meant to as a “hey…. perhaps you make the changes in your country that we have in this one, “freedom” would be part of your society as well.

  • Mere Marlo

    What country are they talking about???? The lottery has already proven harmful to United States citizens. We do not need foreign national criminals coming to this country in such a ridiculous manner and then bringing in more people that could be detrimental to America. You can tell this was an Obummer/Soros idea, because it is so Anti-American.

    • raffaelecafagna

      Chain migration was invented by scumbag retarded confused brainwashed Schumer .

  • TwoElks

    The WaPoo is so far left it’s ready to top over. (Shades of Hank Johnson)
    If you want to destroy a country flooding it with diversity is the way to do it, change the language, culture and way of life. In our case the American way of life. We are electing politicians who are taking it upon themselves to represent foreigners instead of American citizens. If the DREAMERS are alllowed to stay, our elected officials handed over the keys to America and we lose our nation without putting up a fight. If we are betrayed once again it’s adios America and hello banana republic.

  • BT

    “. . . would harm the country”? According to whom? WaPo and folks who think like that can cry me a river.

  • bullitt foruu

    The only thing WaPo is “good” for is for wiping your dog’s ass if you are so inclined….but I bet a lot of liberals are so inclined.

  • dumbvet

    Immigrants from primarily Muslim nations have already hurt our country and will continue to in the future! President Trump is on the right track and liberals are idiots for not seeing it!

    • raffaelecafagna

      Democraps leftist socialists and RINO`s in congress want the destruction of this Nation
      with amnesty , refugees and open borders .

  • Tom

    Trumps plan makes sense. We stop the invasion of alien culture and the destruction of American Culture and get immigrants who will actually be an asset to the country. I am told 25% of the DACA types are illiterate. They need to be deported. We can not afford to waste welfare dollars on them.

  • Scott Dillard

    Diversity MUCH overrated.

  • Robert Kahlcke

    I would expect no less from operatives of the Democrat-Communist-Islamic terrorist Organization.

  • DID BESOS GO TO $15.00 AN HOUR? DIVERSITY EQUALS LOW PAY SLAVERY. NEVER FORGET COMMUNISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN A LIVING WAGE. THEY PRETEND TO BUT USE THE MONEY TO BUY RUSSIAN WEAPONS. THE LAST 2.5 BILLION HUGO CHAVEZ SPENT WAS ON AK47’S FROM PUTIN. NOW HIS PEOPLE HAVE NO TOILET PAPER SO THEY USE MONEY BECAUSE THE MONEY IS WORTH LESS THAN THE TP. I HEAR THEY ARE EATING PARAKEETS. MURDERO ORDERED CITY DWELLERS TO RAISE RABBITS IN THEIR APARTMENTS. WHO HAS LETTUCE AND CARROTS TO FEED THEM? IN ONE DAY TRUMP COULD MAKE VENEZUELA RICH. LOOK WHAT HE DID FOR AMERICA IN ONE YEAR. VIVA EL TRUMPO. HAVE YOU SEEN HIS NEW HAIRDO?https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32aac7c7e71eff7a0fe7018005cff53051c42831f2cfec3caa449ce7bb08771a.jpg

  • pappy450

    The only “harm” that would come is to the VOTING BASE for the DEMOCOMMIES. Time for the WAPO “snowflakes” to head to their basement “safe spaces” and play with their coloring books and leave the comments to the adults.

  • disqus_v5723Mqspa

    Total Conservative, you’re correct, but the word “there” is spelled “there”. “Their agenda”… , however, is correct.

  • Buck Stearns

    Ending this legalized invasion of misfits called the “diversity lottery” is exactly what is needed. The Washington Post & New York Times are no better than Pravda & the Daily Worker back in the height of the Cold War. Who reads their garbage any more?

  • gene smiith

    The United States of America is in deep deep trouble when arriving at a legitimate, legal, above board, Voting process is up
    for discussion as to whether or not WE THE PEOPLE should have such a thing…..Good Lord, what the Hell !!!

    • Rex Whitmer

      I like your diversity of speech! Good Lord, What the Hell! Perhaps that’s the answer? If one doesn’t work maybe the other will? I’ll take the former you can have the latter.

  • Maggietish

    The Washington Post just continues to prove how anti-American they are. Everyone that works there doesn’t have one iota of loyalty to the United States or nor do they ever support the American people. They fight for illegals, refugees and anyone else who is illegally in our country. They fight against a border wall going up that would protect the lives of Americans and anything that President Trump attempts to do to keep America safe. One wonders how many more Americans have to be slaightered on our own shores by illegals, terrorists, refugees and people who don’t belong here before the people at the Washington Post are satisfied.

  • Max Thor

    who in their right mind would think such a thing? Only a socialist communist democrate…

  • Henry Gregg Nash

    If you are a illegal alien, then you need to leave! Enough said!

    • rivahmitch

      No such thing as “illegal immigrants”. There are legal immigrants and INVADERS.

      • raffaelecafagna

        INVADERS of the INVASIVE SPECIES .
        Obama said : jump the fence , come here and I will give you everything FREE ; all paid by stupid Americans .

  • Larry Brule

    HERE IS WAPO SUCKING IT’S THUMB AGAIN!

  • Thank God that we now have a president that puts America and American citizens over the blood sucking parasites who just want to take with no desire to to share or give back in an effort to make this country better than it was or is right now.
    This generic statement is not limited to illegals, it includes all the snow flakes and non-productive “employed” as well. MAGA

  • Ted Duke

    “Ending Diversity Lottery Would ‘Harm the Country'”

    Perhaps, but that would be far less harm than keeping it.

    • raffaelecafagna

      Diversity Lottery or Lottery Visa is : 50.000 Unvetted foreigners allowed to come here with no skills . They become taxi drivers ; hotels, motels cleaning crew or running 7/11.

      • rivahmitch

        or just become parasites and live off taxpaying Americans.

        • raffaelecafagna

          Yes indeed , parasites , collecting benefits that WE Americans don`t .

      • Rex Whitmer

        If they did it would be alright, but they don’t come here to work or to be absorbed into the American way of life. They just want a new place to beg from!

  • Mike

    NO IT WON’T, NO IT WON’T. These Liberals are the biggest enemies to our way of life and they need to stop.

  • Jmanjo

    WaPo is anti-American. Everyone should be careful with whatever they say as they are guided by globalists. We need to be careful who we let in right now as to not undermine our country’s greatness.

  • Walter Siebert

    Tell me the difference between “Diversity” and ” Whites need not apply ” !!!!!

    • Rex Whitmer

      You’ve got to ask? They’re the same!

      • Walter Siebert

        Isn’t that Racism or that only to minorities !!!

  • Charles Girard

    I like diversity when there’s not to many blacks because they have become more of a problem for everyone than an asset. Any race of people who commit over 70% of the crime in any country when their only 17% of the population of that country i can’t find an excuse for. I feel we as a country are better off without them. Sorry.

  • Charles Girard

    I loved everyone when i was in high school. We had one black kid in my little country school and life was rosy and then it happened i joined the Navy and went aboard ship. I was in a compartment of 40+ guys 18 of them we’re black to make a long story short, we had at least 3 fights a week. Did i have the same feeling for black people after actually living with them when i got out, hell no i didn’t i could barely look at a black person without wanting to punch them out, that’s how bad it got.

  • DaveyJ

    Washington Post has a Death Wish for America! Obviously tipped over the brink of sanity, plunging into a cesspool of anti American objectives, apparently all in their dim witted view of what is good for the USA! Make George Orwells Book 1984 look like it is here…..GET READY TO DIE,

  • Brian W.

    Any politician that doesn’t support America and Americans with proper policy by making it stronger and safer in such a way as to not fiscally and culturally damage society should be fired or impeached. The only reason America was fiscally failing as to keep borrowing money from the richest countries to succeed is because of these ideas that don’t support America. They simply don’t understand that socialism / communism doesn’t work in America – period. We have American policy for Americans when we need them and they are temporary in their support until you get back on your feet again and support yourself, your family and your country in that order. We need to start teaching this again in school. It is an ideological take over of America teaching that these loving caring politicians are correct in their style of leadership. It is in fact the opposite, you cannot give and give and get nothing in return but more crime and more debt. The idea that our country is socialist / communist and take care of everybody is fake, the evidence is in – its a failed ideology in America and is in fact illegal. Our society is separate from everyone else for a reason. Legal immigration handles this by safely limiting and vetting to future proof America fiscally and culturally while building up any immigrants intelligence and understanding so they can work toward achieving the American Dream. The political left extremists have strayed so far from the American Ideology that they can’t even justify any of their policy anymore because it is so extremely damaging. It has been proven time and again that it doesn’t work and is a failed state at best hog tying our future generations into paying out the nose for nothing more than an invasion over the last fifty or so years. Politicians work for us, we do not work for them. All we have to do is show them that they are the ones at fault at every election cycle. Where there is the most voter fraud is where we need to bring ourselves and watch over in every area. Leave no one alone after voter hours to force through fake votes, its the only way non-sense like this wins out because its purely damaging and does not support anyone in America in any way.

  • Ursus_Indomitus

    WaPo: STILL full of schist.

  • Shelba Herring

    wapo has to be shy his elevator going all the way to the top, the diversity lottery lets any criminal that wants in to come to the US and commit mayhem at will or did they not have the intelligence to read about a couple who just recently opened fire on some American people

  • Karin Callaway

    Bull corn! The only thing harming this United States Of America is the MSM passing all the “REAL” news and have nothing but a yellow journalism with unproven opinions, and unknown sources that are proven wrong most of the time. News sources backing Dems. and Libs. are trying to usurp the PEOPLE.

  • Robert Wayne

    The Washington Post is just coming out with more left wing b.s. concerning letting these foreign rattlesnakes into the U.S. The only reason they want them here is because they know damned well it would be more left wing votes for the DemoRATs.

  • Mary Clouse

    The taxpayers of this country don’t feel that way,just ask them,
    ask Mr. Taxpayer if he minds feeding clothing and housing,for
    these illegal immigrants,when he can barely feed his own family.
    Mr.Taxpayer has to pay, for his kids to go to collage,as well as
    the illegals,because the taxman say you have to ,Gimmie a break
    send them all back,by what ever means,boat,cattle cars,just do it.

  • Get Real

    May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the armpits of the editorial board of wapo…. These snot nosed bed wetting cry babies need to get a life….in another country…soon.

  • baitmando

    Not one word of how letting in these low skill hate America cretins helps us. Aside from making libtards feel better that is.

  • John D

    WaPo is apparently staffed by morons.

  • Gerry Costa

    wapo is a rag — no better than the National Enquirer.

  • John Murray

    There is only ONE reason for immigration as far as a country is concerned – to provide something from outside the country that cannot be provided by the current population of the country. That could be people (low population) or skills. Everything else is just political pandering.

  • Larry Brule

    HARM WHO? LIBERAL VOTERS BY NOT LETTING ILLEGALS VOTE? IT WILL CUT THEIR POPULAR VOTE.

  • BT

    Wonder if I could get a liberal to articulate exactly how ending the diversity lottery will harm the country. I pray for my daughter as well.

  • suesueb

    If only WaPo cared as much for U.S. citizens and for the people who have already been in line for years to become citizens! I actually am not averse to making a pathway to citizenship for the DACAs. But other issues need to be taken care of first, such as funding for the wall, etc. Also, I do not forget how badly the DACAs behaved at that function a few months ago…you know the one where they were making DEMANDS and shouting down Nancy Pelosi. People in their position have no right to be rudely DEMANDING things that aren’t theirs.

  • Cynthia Sillaman

    The LIBS…HAVE 2B STOPPED!! PRESIDENT TRUMP AGAINST MANY MANY OF HIS FOLLOWERS’ WISHES…IS ACTUALLY TRYING 2 USE DACA …WHICH WE DON’T WANT ANYWAY..SHAPE..FORM..OR FASHION…AS A BARGAINING CHIP..4 THE WALL. AND.. NOT 2 MY SURPRISE..THESE INSANE LIBS..WANT EVEN MORE…MORE..MORE!!! TIME 2 STOP…STOP…STOP BARGAINING…AND START DOING WHAT’S RIGHT FOR AMERICA..SOMETHING THE BRAINWASHED LIBS FORGOT ABOUT A LONG..LONG TIME AGO!! MAGA!!!!💝💝💝

  • Jose Lopez

    The liberals want to destroy this country, to change it so it will unrecognizable I don’t understand what their true agenda is but I do know they want to destroy what so many people fought so hard to preserve. We are in a battle against the evil of liberalism and all freedom loving Americans, people who love this country need to stand together against this tyranny.

  • dclach

    Evidently one of the conditions for employment at the WaPo is that you be an idiot; hopefully they’ll go bankrupt and cease publishing in the near future.

  • margaret

    These people are insane. IT WILL COST TRILLIONS TO SUPPORT ALL THESE ILLEGALS AND THE USA AS WE KNOW IT WILL BE DESTROYED. THE ELITE WANT LOW WAGE EARNERS AND DO NOT CARE IF AMERICANS STARVE. WHY ARE WE THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT HAS TO SUPPORT MEXICO, HONDORUS AND ALL THE THIRD WORLD NATIONS WHEN THERE ARE 500,000 HOMELESS PEOPLE IN AMERICA WORKERS WHO HAVE LOST JOBS TO IILLEGALS, CHILDREN WHO ARE GOING WITHOUT IN AMERICA FOR THE GREED OF THE ELITE ANDTHE DUMBOCRATIC PARTY WHO WANT THE NEW WORLD ORDER WHERE THE ELITE WILL HAVE IT ALL AND THE REST OF US WILL BE SLAVES. THERE ARE SO MANY HOMELESS IN CALIFORNIA THERE IS FECES AND URIN E ON THE SIDEWALKS. CALIFORNIA ONLY CARES FOR THEIR ILLEGALS AND NOT HOMELESS AMERICANS AND VETERANS. THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO FORCE TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR THIS, PELOSI CAN PUT HER 120 MILLION ON ILLEGALS AND LINDSEY GRAHAM, THE IDIOT NUTJOB, FROM SOUTH CAROLINA CAN PUT HIS MILLIONS ON THEML. THE CALIFORNIA JUDGE, WHO WANTS TO BLOCK DEPORTATION DOESN,T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT AMERICANS. DO YOU THINK HE HAS BEEN PAID OFF??????????????

  • Obie Miller

    This is why most of us ignore what the Washington Post has to say!

  • Robert

    The Alt Left lacks any sense at all.
    The more illegals and immigrants that they bring in only causes a bigger strain on the Government and American people. Less job’s, more crime, more people on welfare and outrageous. Hospital costs, not even to mention schooling. The country cannot afford to pay that high a price. When you want to endanger Millions of Americans, you aren’t a true American, You’re a Traitor to the people and the country.

  • Robert Wayne

    When these left wing maggots start with their ‘diversity’ crap, what they really mean is that they want 3rd world voters imported here who’ll vote left wing DemoRAT.

  • floral

    Hey dem/lib/progs James Madison (you know, the Father of the Constitution) said we are not in want of uneducated, poor, or unskilled immigrants. No, we want and should encourage immigration of those who share our values (liberty, justice, equality) and will assimilate and contribute to the wealth and growth of OUR society.

  • barbara

    The WP is only good for the cat litter box

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