Oh, to be a fly on the wall in Paul Ryan’s office right now.
As of late afternoon on Thursday, the gleaming, defiant optimism we’ve heard from Ryan and the White House about their chances of passing the American Health Care Act began to crumble in front of the nation’s eyes. The House vote, scheduled to take place by midnight, was canceled. Not enough votes. The conservative Freedom Caucus? Not budging. Not convinced. Not mollified.
President Trump and other top Republicans spent the majority of the day lobbying on behalf of the bill, but they did not overcome the significant resistance in the GOP rank-and-file.
“We have not gotten enough of our members to get to yes at this point under what we have now,” House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows said.
But while Meadows was not predicting an immediate turnaround from his caucus, he didn’t indicate that there was no possible way to move forward.
“I would say progress is being made, and that progress should be applauded with the efforts by the White House to deliver on a campaign promise, and to lower premiums for every American from coast to coast and in between,” Meadows said.
Asked by Fox News if he would describe the delayed vote as a failure for President Trump, Meadows said, “Absolutely not.”
Unfortunately, it will play that way in the press, and you can’t expect anything different. It would be the same for any president supporting any major piece of legislation. And Trump, who is still learning the Washington ropes, is going to get his first clear lesson in the difference between campaigning and making law.
By the time this is over and done with, he may also learn a lesson about who is true friends are on Capitol Hill – if there are any. Did this bill really reflect the kind of plan that Trump had in mind? Was this Ryan’s best effort to make Trump’s vision a reality? Why was it rushed out like this?
At this point, it might be better for everyone if they toss this bill in the garbage, start fresh, and focus on simply repealing Obamacare. That’s going to make Ryan and Trump look a little ridiculous, but it would be far preferable to having a failed vote and far, far preferable to passing a terrible bill into law.
We have people in Congress who do not have the best interests of the American people at heart. Paul Ryan, Graham, McCain, Rubio, Curbelo and many others. They are against Trump so they are against we the people. Time for them to go. Convention of States term limits and a balanced budget. Throw the 16th amendment in the trash dump.
It is not just the Democrats that can not get over the fact that Hillary lost!
Paul Ryan et al, also. Replace him as speaker. And not with an other snake.
This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with an essay here. It was a bad bill that no one wanted, and most significantly, American citizens didn’t want it. Trump is learning that the Freedom Caucus isn’t really interested in governing, and that if he throws his lot in with them, he won’t be able to keep the populist promises he made to voters. He’ll be better off finding moderate Dems and RINOs, and working the middle path.
The original campaign promises were simply REPEAL. When Ryan and his “moderate” buddies (who never really had an objection to Obamacare) attempted to take the ACA, make a few cosmetic changes and tie it to a so called repeal bill in an attempt to keep Obamacare and fool the electorate they underestimated the conservative reaction, It saddens me that Mr. Trump signed on to this attempt; hopefully this was part of the “learning curve.” In any event I hope that pile of trash legislation never crawls from the trash heap. In the mean time, why doesn’t the house revive the REPEAL bill that it sent to Obama?
It could not be much deader. It was a simply terrible bill – and it was very very deceitful, The bill they tried to pass claimed several reasons why we should like it.
1. More competition will lead to lower costs.
2. Local State governments are better equipped to del with the healthcare of their own citizens
3. Consumers would have more choice.
4. It will provide better coverage, at lower costs.
Well inter State insurance has already been tried between three states. Costs did not lower, in fact they got higher because each State requires insurance offerings to meet their own guidelines.
Competing for clients with more insurance offerings – may not in fact lower costs. Each policy has its own riisk pool. If you reduce the numbers for each specific insurance policy type, the risk becomes higher, and so does the cost.
Permitting the insurance companies to offer what they like would roll us beck to pre-Obamacaree, when there were as many as 60,000 bankruptcies a year due to people believing that their policies covered their treatment only to find it did not. Obamacare guaranteed that your policy covered you. The Republican party wants to remove that protection.
More choice for consumers is nonsense. Can anyone really read the future ? How do you know what sort of illness you may get – let alone whether it would be covered.
And then all the nonsense about continuous coverage – if you lapsed your policy, then you would pay a 30% surcharge to renew insurance EVERY TIME you lapsed the policy. If you became unemployed – you might never again be able to afford insurance.
And then last but not least – handing over the responsibility to cover citizens to the States – is a huge risk for their citizens. States can go bankrupt – and may juist not be able to take care of indigent citizens.
they should have still held the vote, so we know who is who,next election, was the aca perfict on the first try no ,oboma made lots of changes to it , so the ahca might not have bin perfict ,so you have to make adjustments, but then it was rush, rush and we really don’t know what was in it , except for the crap coming out of the trump haters mouths like that freak lewis
I guess you did not read what I posted yesterday. I said that I told Trump to be careful with Repubs and TPs. They are nice when he is around but a talk bad behind his back. For 8 years Repubs and TPs were crying to get rid of Obamacare. You remember when TP picketed in DC against Obamacare. One toothless woman collapsed of heat. She went to ER which cost her $10,000 for 12 days. We wondered why TPs wanted some Americans denied right to be treated at rich people clinics and hospitals. Now they have President Trump who is with them to repeal Obamacare. The same people are telling us they love Obamacare. I think it was not Obamacare they hated. They hated to see Blacks were in the WH. These morons were raised to believe the WH should be rented by Whites only. Now Blacks are out of the WH these morons are now thinking right. Trump should not trust TPS and Repubs and especially the following: Ryan, McConnell, Pence, Herman Cain, Dr. Carson, Cruz, Rand Paul, Bill O’rielly, Sean Hannity. They are dangerous to him
well i spend more time every day checking and reading mail and replies, so if it was really long i might not have read it , some days i gewt tired of it all and just delete every thing , if you know what it’s like,well i have known for years and yesterday confirmed it , hospitals have to treat you,ins.or not , so every one has some insurance ,and if you don’t or can’t pay that’s why government funds some of hospital costs, as you know there is fraud in every thing the government has it’s fingures in , just like doctors scam ins. hospitals scam the government,the problem wasn’t with healthcare , the problem is with the scamming ,just like we pay 10x more for medicine then any other country , yet it’s the same medicne
It’s not as dead as Obamacare!!! The fact that the Republicans turned it down proves that they read it, rather then, sign it and read it later. It proves that the Republicans are paying attention. No medical replacement bill will pass unless it is satisfactory to the people they were elected to represent.
You are right. A total repeal is required. Obama care is a total failure largely because those who voted for it couldn’t bother to read it to guarantee it would not do more harm than good.
You’re right, but I think they couldn’t bother to read it, because they don’t care, and because it didn’t affect them.
Makes sense but the thing that makes me think they knew something about it is the fact they exempted themselves from it. In my opinion they should have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us.Should not be able to exempt themselves from anything they pass for us
even if the dims read it they would hAve voted for the lousy bill. dim leadership keeps there folks in line.
The EASIEST way to do a total repeal was the way Paul Ryan WANTED to do it: IN THREE PARTS, the first under “reconciliation” — which is a Senate rule that would have allowed the first (financial) part of the bill to be repealed with only 51 votes. But no, the “do it my way or the highway!” CHILDREN in the House HAD to do it all at once — which would REQUIRE SIXTY VOTES to pass the Senate — and instead of winning, they TORPEDOED the financial portions of the bill. So now we have to start over, WITHOUT reconciliation, meaning WE WILL NEED 60 VOTES TO PASS THE SENATE. And we don’t HAVE 60 votes. So Meadows and his gang of Merry Morons KILLED our chance of passing repeal/replace in ANY form this year. And YOU kiddies are singing his praises for screwing up that way. Thanks a bunch!
That’s fine, but because of the Senate’s long-standing but rather arcane rules, IT HAS TO BE DONE IN PIECES. THREE pieces, to be precise. THAT would have allowed Part One to be passed with a simple majority, rather than the 60 votes the Sente usually demands. After THAT, Parts Two & Three could have been adopted with 51 votes in the Senate (or even 50 with the VP voting to break the tie). Now, since the Freedom Caucus THREW AWAY our ONLY chance to pass Part One (it’ll be too late in the year to bring it up under the Senate’s “reconciliation” rule which would have allowed that 51-vote win) == but NOW we have to figure out how to get 60 votes for the WHOLE THING. That is NOT going to be easy, because there ARE only 52 Republican IN the Senate and most of the Dems have their heels dug in DEEP.
WORSE NEWS: THE BILL THAT EMERGES THAT CAN GET 60 VOTES WILL NOT BE AS GOOD AS THE ONE THAT FAILED. Reason I can be SURE of that prediction: in order to get 60 Senate votes, the House will have to make some SERIOUS compromises. You purists will NOT like THAT, but YOU HAVE ONLY YOURSELVES (well, the Freedom Caucus) TO BLAME.
Obamacare can be fixed. The issue is really about who pays for the better protected policies – the Federal government – or the State. Basically the Republican government wants to cut costs – and to do that they will permit far more risk to be taken by consumers – whether they like it, can afford it – or not. The result would be a slew of policies that did not cover essential things which is why the system was failing before Obamacare.
Obama care Was fixed in the first place. It was fixed by Demcrats, lobbists, payoffs and lack of reading skills. Too much to fix. Get rid of the whole thing and start over. We had a better system before the Democrats screwed it up.
Absolute rubbish. Obamacare was the best system to date, although far from perfect. Getting things like no precondition removed, and insuring your kids before they were working in the marketplace – and getting 15 million Americans out of the ER rooms for their medication (saved several billion dollars by giving them preventive care) were milestones
But when Obamacare IMPLODES this fall (as it WILL), NONE of that will do a THING for the people who are left with NO COVERAGE AT ALL. THEY can thank President Obama.
Obamacare issues are very fixable. The States having problems are Republican States some of which did not even bother to create exchanges – and none of which wanted to contribute to the health of their citizens.
“The issue is really about who pays for the better protected policies – the Federal government – or the State.” Actually, no matter what way you look at it, it is We The People who pay for it.
So the next questions is: Would it be cheaper to leave out the civil servants that we have to pay to implement a government program, or for all of us to pay for our own insurance that is tailored to our own needs, just as we purchase our own automobile insurance? That should be a “no-brainer”. We are already paying a slew of Civil Servants to take our money from us so “government” can turn around and spend it however those few people we elect decide is best for us.
Hello!!! Most of us are big boys and girls and really are capable of making our own decisions. Why does government, which makes EVERYTHING more expensive, have to have their hands in our health care in the first place? We would be better off keeping our tax money and spending it on our own health care.
You are right. Leave the govt. out of it. Their 10% is more likely 30% “service charge.
If there were no government oversight, the insurance companies would empty your pockets – and even then you would find that whatever was wrong with you ws excluded in small print on your policy. That is essentially why the system failed before Obamacare – and the only reason Obamacare became law when 7 other presidents had tried to rationalize the system was BECAUSE the healthcare system was falling apart – too expensive – and too many bankruptcies.
I deliberately omitted regulations because of the length of my post.
So let the government watch over health care insurers to make certain they are not screwing their policy holders, but leave the choice to the individuals. Some may want general coverage and some may want catastrophic coverage and some may want only bare bones. For some it is cheaper to pay their medical bills out of pocket rather than to pay insurance premiums. It is a “gamble” either way, but isn’t life a gamble as well? We have no assurance of outcome with anything.
We are supposed to be a free society with freedom to live our lives as we see fit (and pay the consequences if we mess up). If more people had to pay the consequences of their poor choices many would find out that there is a reward for their work, struggles, and perseverance.
The outrage that would follow if thousands of people died from neglect after constant trips for ‘free'[ emergency care would have very negative consequences for our political system. Its all very well to look the other way – and tell them that they got what they paid for is unrealistic. No doubt some some could have afforded insurance but made other choices – but far more would have bought discount policies that simply did not cover their issues. That is exactly what was happening in 2008 – not only were millions of people being laid off work, but health insurance began to sky rocket. And how do you take care of children in poor families ?
I understand where you are coming from – but am very sure that it would be rejected by a majority of voters -a nd that is basically what it is all about when politicians vote on legislation.
A speculate health insurance system is a nightmare to be caught in- and patently irresponsible to put in a political platform. When you think about this – remember that emergency care is the MOST EXPENSIVE medical care available. It is really not free – it is paid for by the taxpayer – and it is a terrible alternative to proper medical care.
this gummint is so corrupt and incompetent…..they can’t do anything right. If you think they won’t steal as much from you as the insurance companies will, I have some oceanfront property in Nebrasa. Get the feds totally out of it and let insurance companies compete across state lines.
Its your government – and my government. Elect an honest congressman.- or throw them out of office.
The major problem we have today is money; yes, like all things in life, if you had the money, you would probably give your family the very best of everything, but if your income is a $1,000 per wk., and required $2,000 to provide the best for your family, you may decide to give them the very best, but would eventually go bankrupt. Eliminating all partisan politics, the country is 20 trillion in debt, and giving the best of the best in medical coverage today is simply not possible. Until medical cost becomes more competitive, and pharmaceutical cost is drastically reduced, no medical plan will produce full coverage at a reasonable price. Venezuela is a perfect example of out-of-control-federal-debt.
Then consider this. All other developed nations have healthcare systems available to all citizens. We are more than twice as expensive as any one else – per capita – and we rate about 30th on the list of medical health. Our results are not great – and additionally a significantly larger proportion of the nation gets either inadequate, or no healthcare coverage. Simultaneously our healthcare insurance companies and drug companies made more than $ 40 billion profit =and the drug companies enjoy a quasi monopoly status since they have lobbied the government to make it illegal for ordinary import drugs that would compete with enormous prices they charge Americans. It is estimated that abut 1/3 of the cost of your healthcare premiums is insurance company profit.
It is true that we have made some incredible advances in medical care and technology- but sadly only the wealthiest among us can afford these cutting edge solutions – but they earn enormous profits when exported to other countries. Something is terribly wrong with this..
Give me one country that has socialized medicine that is not having serious financial problems right now. That is the very reason it is unwise to even attempt this mess. What we had before Obummercare was far better for a larger percentage of Americans than this train wreck we have now is. It just wasn’t better for the ones that were unwilling to get out and find a job. I know it is difficult in today’s market but can be done for those who really want to work. It’s impossible if the person is not willing to try and therein lies their problem. Making it my problem and responsible America’s problem is why it is not ever going to work.
I assume you are referring to Europe ? Well Europe actually has the largest economy in the world. The problems it has with running a deficit at the moment are absolutely minor compared to ours. Additionally, it has experience at managing when times are really tough – WW2 was their practices run. We are barraged here with how wonderful our aging economy is with our dilapidated infrastructure. There’s is kept up to date. Europe and the UK can manage very well and their far mor citizen friendly healthcare and social programs have produced a much happier society than here. I lived there for 10 years.We have many openings here – but we have a very large unskilled labor force. They do not have the means or the government cooperation which is very available in Europe to re-educate and get more hireable skills.
You are missing the point. The federal government is supposed to be bound by the Constitution. There is nothing in the Constitution that even suggestsure that the federal government should have anything to do with health care or health insurance. If ACA were completely repealed and a few common sense bills were passed we would be better off.
Tort reform limiting Mal practice awards.
Full disclosure of the cost of medical visitschool and procedures.
Healthcare savings accounts.
Selling health insurance across state lines.
Allow any group to form for the purpose of buying health insurance. Examples include AARP, NRA, PTA, people named Joe, etc. .
There is also nothing in the Constitution that says Congress cannot fund healthcare.
You should do some research on how much savings would e achieved from tort reform, healthcare savings accounts (half the population lives on a monthly check – they can’t afford to save for the enormous cost of US healthcare), crossing State lines does not either. Three states tried it – costs actually went up (as the insurers tried to meet different standards in each State). Toert reform would make a negligable difference in costs. You are following a red herring. The culprits in this case are a enormous insurance companies and enormous drug companies that out lobby everyone else . Incidentally, permitting non American drugs to be sold to consumers in the USA – directly – would probably do more than anything else to produce real competition and lower prices perceptibly. The taxpayer should get something back – after all more than 25 percent of the development of new drugs is paid for by the government. Doctors do not pay for the enormously expensive equipment they train with – and without which they could not do their job. A great deal of this equipment is funded papartially or indirectly by consumers and the government.
A very good comment Bob! America does NOT need or want federally orchestrated (socialist) health care!
The complexity attached to the distribution of a medical plans is enormously complex, which is the reason Obamacare utilized medical insurance companies to administrate the system. If you don’t mind waiting a year for a necessary operation, these medical systems in other countries would work just fine, until you, your wife, or children, or anyone you know, including yourself, required a “Serious Operations.” That is why those that are well-to-do fly into the US, and pay, whatever the cost is, to resolve their medical dilemma. The countries that have general medical programs, only the rich come out on top while many wait the year, or so, to have a serious medical problem resolved. The poor and middle-class, do not benefit from these general medical systems where doctor appointments can range anywhere from 4 months to a year. (This circumstance presently exist in our VA hospitals.)
Albert, that is basically a myth. I lived in Europe for 10 years and I do not know anyone who had the ‘waiting too long’ complaint’ National Health policy is however to put you on a list for surgery that is not urgent. You can supplement the National Health System with a private policy as well. Yes people come here from all over the world for specialized treatment as they do to London, Germany, Switzerland, France, Abu Dabi – and many other nations who have specialized medicine.
Why should the government pay for it, whether its the Federal or State. Its the working middle class that pays the taxes for this. Repeal the whole worthless bill and have the real deadbeats work for living like it should be. No more free bees.
I would give you ten “likes” if I could. You hit the nail exactly on the head, and there are millions and millions of us who know (not just believe) that what you said is true. It is the taxpayers, actually the middle-class taxpayers (most of who worked hard and long hours for their money) who will be paying for it. I grew up poor, and after years of scrimping and saving I have a nest egg that the government keeps chipping away at. And now, with “Governmentcare” at our doorstep, will take a pretty good chunk out of my savings to pay for health care for everyone; even those who don’t want to work, or who have made poor choices throughout their lives and thus “can’t” pay for their own health care.
Obamcare is costing so many more people more money that they can no longer afford it, or afford to use it (high co-pays). The real intent of Obamacare was to cover more people — never to bring down health care costs. If congress would zero in on bringing down health care costs, rather than insuring more people, the rest would sort itself out.
The real intent of Obamacare was not at all about helping folks….it was designed to fail so, as Obama admitted early on to the unions that he favored single payer, ie totally in control of the feds.
And Trump is no better. I wish I could remember his exact words when he was interviewed during the primaries re Obamacare. He said that he wanted it repealed. And when asked what he would replace it with he said it should be with a healthcare plan for everyone (aka Socialized Medicine). When asked who would pay for it he said (this much I do remember) “government. Government will pay for it, but we will do it in such a way that we will save a lot of money.
Well, you and I know the only way “government” gets money to spend is by taking it away from people who pay taxes, and we also know that “government” doesn’t do anything cheaper or better than the free market system can do things.
Obamacare will IMPLODE by the end of this year. It’s inevitable. It promised too much and never did figure out how to pay for it. The people who really get creamed are the ones who bought into the subsidized coverage, thinking that between what they had to pay out of pocket (no small cost for low-income families) and the “subsidy” that didn’t begin to cover the expenses they COULDN’T pay. It’s one thing to say “No subsidies, period!” — it’s quite another to promise a subsidy to poor people and then have it NOT COVER what they need. But the big problem is that revenues just won’t stretch to cover costs. For ANYONE. It’s a toy balloon that is fated soon to POP — right in the faces of the Democrats who forced it down Americans’ throats. The only problem is that if Republicans DON’T have a substitute IN PLACE (and our “my way or the highway!” morons just shot that down), there will be a LOT of pregnant moms who can’t see their Gyns., a lot of cancer victims who won’t be getting chemo (or anything else), and so on. Thanks, Democrats! And thanks, Mark Meadows and company! You folks can have a CONTEST to see which team is MORE STUPID.
It may also prove RINO Ryan is on his way out of the Speakers Chair.
Damn good idea. Time for weak kneed Ryan to leave the House as well..
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Ryan is NOT a RINO but a staunch and dedicated conservative, if not maybe AS conservative as some of the newbies like Meadows. BUT RYAN KNOWS HOW TO GET THINGS DONE in the House, and Meadows hasn’t got a CLUE, at any rate not YET.
President Trump NEEDS Ryan because Ryan CAN run the House. The President knows that. It’s just some of our purist newbies who think everything can ALWAYS go the way they want — IT CAN’T! — who don’t like Ryan just BECAUSE he’s not perfect! Guess what, folks: NOBODY is perfect. GROW UP! Politics involves COMPROMISE. If you can’t handle that, GO HOME and stay there. You’ll NEVER make it in national politics.
I think his Democratic former lobbyist wife’s Liberalism has rubbed off on him. He gave Obama anything he wanted.
I don’t want perfect, I want someone that will look out for the American people, not one that wants open borders, etc.
I don’t know who you’re talking about! Janna Ryan (Paul’s wife) is a COUSIN of a former “Blue Dog” (that means CONSERVATIVE) Democrat, Dave Boren. SHE is not a Democrat: many families have both Republicans and Democrats among them, and Dave Boren would have been a Republican except in those times EVERYONE in Oklahoma (his state) was a Democrat, at least on paper. She’s not and never has been a lobbyist, and NEVER a liberal (that breed also didn’t exist in Oklahoma, in EITHER party)
Paul Ryan certainly does NOT want “open borders, etc.” (Not sure what that “etc.” means, but I bet he doesn’t want THAT, either. He IS A CONSERVATIVE and always HAS been. He has built his CAREER on “looking out for the American people.” Just because MAYBE you found ONE issue on which you disagree with him does NOT mean he’s not a conservative. Maybe it means you’re WRONG, or maybe it’s just a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION among conservatives. WE think for OURSELVES. WE DO NOT MARCH IN LOCKSTEP, you know — we leave THAT to the DEMOCRATS.
I don’t think you know as much as you pretend to. Why are you getting so upset, are you kin to them?????????? Lots of words in caps, quotation marks?????? Don’t know of any Conservative Demorat. Do your research.
I am a Republican and Dave Brat is my Congressman and he knows what he is talking about as an economist. I have been to his speeches.
Well, I have a Ph.D. in Economics, too, and a LOT more experience in politics than Dave Brat. I think he’s been a pretty good Congressman so far, but I think THIS time he let himself be pulled out into the wilds of the nutty right by Mark Meadows and the others.
No, I have no kin in Congress, though I do have quite a few friends. And I KNOW Janna Ryan is a conservative, just as her HUSBAND (the Speaker) is and as her cousin Dave Boren was. Back in the days when HE was building a political career, if you ran for office in any but one single district in Oklahoma, you HAD to run as a Democrat (there was one Republican district, and that was ALL!). So anyone who wanted to WIN ran as a Democrat. But by any rational maasure (ideas, for instance) Paul and Janna Ryan are BOTH conservatives. AND Paul was trying to push through a bill that WAS SUPPORTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP — remember him? he’s that guy we nominated last year as the REPUBLICAN candidate to beat Hillary Clinton!). Now I don’t know what conservative credentials you WANT, but Paul (and Janna) Ryan’s are VERY, VERY, good — and a lot LONGER in duration than Dave Brat’s.
I wish him well, and i hope the folks in his district don’t hold the defeat of the Trump-Ryan bill (AND, of course, repeal of Obamacare) AGAINST HIM when Obamacare IMPLODES later this year. He was, after all, only one of a well-intentioned but not too well-informed pack. And I understand he is one of those having second thoughts, and now NEGOTIATING
(what they should have done in the FIRST place) with the Speaker and the President to modify the bill.
The caps, exclamation points made you look out of control and upset with what I posted.
Every article that I have read states- Janna Ryan – Corporate K Street lobbyist, attorney for Price Waterhouse Coopers in Virginia. She later worked for William and Jensen. Corporate lobbyist for drug makers, health Ins, cigar industry, etc (look it up if you don’t know what it means). She quit shortly after marrying Ryan.
I will not hold the problems with the bill against Congressman Brat, the Freedom Caucus know what they are doing and have a lot of support. I doubt that you have done more research on these issues than any of the politicians.
I think Mark Meadows supporters in his district threw him a party for standing up for them.
Trump is not a politician so he does not know yet how a bill is put together. It was Ryan and his committee that hid in the basement and would not talk to the others until it was finished and then said it could not be changed. As I understand it, all of them are working on it again and I hope they get it right for the American people. The bill does not affect me but I still care. Have a good night.
Got to say both of you have some good post and some not so good rightWriter you sir need to be careful you just might break an arm patting yourself on the back being so educated and knowledgeable some of us common folks can understand even without big time degrees. Say what you may but you stated Ryan knows how to get things done maybe so but he failed to produce the votes for his and the presidents health care bill that can not be denied even by the EDUCATED people. And it is a fact he didn’t want to endorse his boss when he was running for the position he now holds.He and numerous other Republicans did all they could to keep Trump from winning that is a published fact.
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Never wanted him in that position anyway!
Well, if you didn’t, it’s because you don’t have a CLUE what makes a GOOD Speaker.
Ryan is the best we’ve had in 20 years, and it’s just a shame you newbies can’t understand that. But keep slamming at Ryan AND YOU WILL END UP WITH NANCY PELOSI AS SPEAKER AGAIN, and the Democrats in control of the Senate — AND Donald Trump as a ONE-TERM PRESIDENT. But if you’re SMART enough to let President Trump AND Speaker Ryan WORK TOGETHER, as they HAVE been doing, maybe things will get better. At least, maybe you’ll LEARN something about politics.
No we won’t because the Republicans will get to vote again, for Speaker. Once Ryan was elected all he did was follow in Boehner’s footsteps and kiss Obama’s as-., sorry but I watched how he voted.
I sure hope so!!
I would hope so but when the 2 or 3 ran against him before there was not enough to get a majority. I don’t know if they will even try to get him out unless there is someone very strong to run against him.
NO Republican will run against Ryan for speaker because there’s nobody that stupid. Ryan is the best we’ve had in 20 years, and he and President Trump are working WELL together. But if you newbies who know nothing about politics keep after him, he’ll QUIT — and then you can get used to having NANCY PELOSI as Speaker again, the Dems in control of the Senate, and JUST ONE TERM for President Trump. And you and your fellow beginners will have DONE it.
Yeah, they work well together – NOT. If he quits, I feel sure that someone will step in and take his place rather than let Pelosi win.
Well, President Trump says they’re “working well” together, despite the failure of Part One of the “repeal/replace” bill on Obamacare. I HEARD HIM SAY IT — SEVERAL TIME (different ties, so not all the same meeting). He’s FURIOUS that the bill failed, but he understands that RYAN DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to GET IT THROUGH. If he thought Ryan was responsible for the loss, HE WOULD SAY SO — and he would probably have DEMANDED Ryan resign. HE SAID, rather, that RYAN SHOULD STAY.
You’re not quite clear on what would happen if Ryan did resign (or retire or whatever). Pelosi WOULD NOT “win” unless (a) she suddenly became a Republican, and even so she’d have to beat about 200 other people for the job or (b) the 2017 election brought a Democrat majority in to run the House (outside possibility — made MORE LIKELY by the way some STUPID Republicans rebelled against their own party, but still not VERY likely — UNLESS THE BILL FAILS COMPLETELY. Then it’d be INEVITABLE.
Pelosi leads the DEMOCRATS in the House. When they had a majority, she was Speaker because the Dems elected her as speaker. If the Dems took power again, someone would have to CHALLENGE her and WIN, or she’d be Speaker AGAIN. There ARE other Dems who would like to bring her down, but so far they have had VERY little luck.
Possibly the problem is there are SEVERAL, and they can’t agree on ONE candidate.
(Sort of the same problem Republicans had last year — if we’d had a total of THREE contenders for President, one of the other two would almost certainly have beaten out Donald Trump. But we had SEVENTEEN candidates, and Trump had enough votes to easily pull ahead of a field THAT HUGE.) Don’t misunderstand me: I’m glad it worked out that way. But numbers are numbers.
Anyway, if Paul Ryan stepped down as Speaker the House Republicans would elect a new Speaker. It MIGHT be Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (California): generally popular, conservative but not identified with ANY of the feuding sub-groups; or Steve Scalise, the current Majority Whip (Deputy Leader): from Louisiana but not typically Southern, a worker, not so much a leader) or Cathy McMorris Rodgers (from the eastern part of Washington state, where Republicans are NOT an endangered species), who is now Chair of the Republican Conference (sort of a super-committee of all Republicans. I personally like Cathy very much, but she is LESS conservative than the others — I WOULD NOT CALL HER A RINO, just not QUITE so conservative.
In other words, Nancy P. would ONLY become Speaker again if Democrats took the majority in the House. Otherwise one of the Republicans would take over for Ryan.
You don’t tell someone that you have to work with that you don’t like them and he can’t fire Ryan. This is a learning experience for Trump with all the rules and regulations involved. Ryan wanted his name on that bill and did not want to change anything. Premiums were still going to go up, more people were going to lose their health care. He needed to be knocked off his pedestal and that is what happened, now he seems to be willing to work with the others.
your a fn idiot, is your profession trolling?
NOT very likely — President Trump said he wants Ryan to STAY. They worked very well together (to some people’s surprise), and it was NOT Ryan’s fault the bill had to be shelved (temporarily — they’re already planning to bring it up again!)
It was Ryan’s fault, he wrote the damn thing.
That’s nonsense. Ryan didn’t write it — probably not a single WORD of it . The bill emerged in several versions from FIVE committees that all had a piece of the health insurance issue (Ways & Means, the tax/spending parts; the Commerce subcommittee of Energy & Commerce, all the commercial stuff; the Health subcommittee of Energy & Commerce, Budget (self-explanatory), and Rules, which figures out how to shepherd all this thru the House without everyone stepping on everyone else’s toes. EACH committee or subcommittee wrote ITS PART, except Rules, which comes in later to pull it together. RYAN, as SPEAKER, IS NOT ON ANY OF THOSE COMMITTEES.
Then why are they calling it RyanCare?
It is pretty dead – I think it will be embalmed as a warning that Americans will not tolerate anything worse than what they already have – and what Ryan proposed was really awful.
You don’t even KNOW what Ryan proposed in full — because only ONE PART of it was introduced. The reason for that was that only that one portion of the bill could be passed thru the Senate under reconciliation (51 votes). THE OTHER TWO PARTS OF THE BILL, which you’d have liked much better, CAME LATER — but now we won’t see them because THANKS TO
YOU IDIOTS, part one failed.
of course, you didn’tb KNOW that was only part one, which I guess is sort of an excuse, but the lesson is that in the future, LEAVE BILL-WRITING TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO IT and what it will take to get it PASSED. People like Paul Ryan, that is.
I am well aware of the rules of reconciliation. But what you ignore is that the rest of the replace cannot be done with a simple majority. Which means that the Democrats will not vote for this bill in any form because it is a terrible bill.
That’s why there are (or were) THREE bills. The portion that had to go thru reconciliation went first, then those that could be passed with simple majorities — for which we don’t NEED Democrat votes. That’s the beauty of a MAJORITy, however small.
Us idiots as you say must not be all that dumb we elected a president that loves our country and is trying to do what he promised but some Republicans and most all Democrats seem to be dead set on stopping him including the speaker. By the way I do not claim to be an expert on anything just a plain fellow who has an opinion and a vote that is just as valid as yours sir with my subordinate EDUCATION.
The Speaker did EVERYTHING possible to get the bill PASSED — the PRESIDENT himself commended Ryan for doing so! — It was a few of the younger members of the very conservative bloc wouldn’t give an INCH, in fact, every time Paul Ryan gave THEM a point they’d asked for, they turned around and DEMANDED MORE. That’s NOT the way to negotiate successfully (read “The Art of the Deal” for more lessons)!
What they failed to understand is that NO legislation is EVER perfect, and it’s MUCH wiser to take the 70% or 80% of what you want, declare victory (hey, 70% is better than 50%), and then come back later for another bite at the apple (so to speak). THAT’s how you do WINNING negotiations.
NOW WE ARE STUCK WITH OBAMACARE, pure and simple, at least until it implodes — and then PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS WILL BE BLAMED for the implosion. AND we’ll lose control of Senate & maybe House in 2018 and the White House in 2020.
I AGREE with you about President Trump and our success in ELECTING him, but if we can’t give him another Republican Senate & House and HE AND THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS GET BLAMED (and we WILL — you think the media will suddenly start admitting that DEMOCRATS did something wrong?)) for NOT keeping the “repeal and replace” promise (whether we tried to or not is beside the point — we will have FAILED) the smart Republican who ELECTED him will be SWEPT OUT by those same voters (OK, more of the Dems) and lose our chance to accomplish what we ALL promised.
It’s being brought back later this year, and your hero Mark Meadows is now pushing what he considers a reasonable compromise. So apparently HE doesn’t think it’s dead, and neither do Speaker Ryan OR the President. MAYBE they know a little more about it than EITHER OF US!
I am asking President Trump to take my advice – Expand Obamacare by getting rid of premium payments all together. Now how will Obamacare expanded be funded? Here is a big advice: Levy a 0.001 sales tax on all items except food. The sales tax will be collected by IRS. That means low income people will pay peanut as sales tax and those big cahoonas with big expenditures will pay a lot. But nobody will feel the pinch because the 0.001 will not be noticed by many. The best part is this will get rid of insurance companies as go between. People will deal with their doctors directly.
Nice idea, but a 0.0001 tax on everything but food won’t produce enough revenue to pay for everyone’s health insurance premiums. And what about deductibles, which for MANY people are a bigger problem than their premiums! And how would you handle the fact that different people have very different health insurance NEEDS, or preferences (which was the big problem with Obamacare: “one size fits all” doesn’t work in insurance anymore than it does in, say, shoes). What coverage does your 0.0001 tax pay for? Would it cover a person’s or family’s deposits in a Medical Savings Account, or just standard insurance, and if the latter why discriminate against people who use MSAs to enable them to pay THEIR OWN health care bills?
Oh, and does your food tax cover carry-out or eat-out or eat-in-restaurant food but not grocery store food, as most states do with Medicaid? Or everything edible? What about candy bars or soft drinks purchased in a drug store?
Also, imposing a very small tax like that on every merchant except (presumably) food-sellers would create a MOUNTAIN of paperwork for merchants selling everything BUT food (and probably for food-sellers too, because they’d have to prove to the IRS that they WEREN’T selling food! That kind of paperwork is EXPENSIVE, especially for small businesses (which are also the MOST likely to sell BOTH food and other products, creating MORE paperwork!)
This is all just off the top of my head, but it shows you that even simple solutions…well, aren’t so simple. Good try, though! :0)
Please don’t be silly, I said .001. You added another “0”. There will be no deductibles. That will be enough. Just think how much rich people spend buying expensive cars, boats, jets, homes, cars, cruises, houses they rent, buses etc. There will be no tax collection cost because that will be collected at sales counters and sent electronically to IRS. Insurance companies will be out of a job.
Sorry, somewhere must have added the extra zero and I
COPIED what YOU had written. Easy to do. But makes no difference, really — the issues are the same whether it’s .001 or .0001 or, for that matter, .01
You’re right, I did add a zero. The point is still the same, though: a very small tax like you suggest won’t cover the cost, and you still haven’t even considered any of my points about how you decide what is covered by your tax and what isn’t. “Food” is just too vague a term.
Thanks. I said there will be no out of pocket premium and there will be no deductibles. 0.001 will generate billions to cover insurance for all Americans. Please calculate the billions of sales in this country every day. Would you believe Repubs and TPs are developing another health case proposal? Is that not dumb?
OK, let’s say the US Govt. takes in $1.48 TRILLION per year from personal income taxes. (We don’t have to guess at that: I just looked it up.) But there ARE other expenses the government must pay from that revenue, before we add to revenues to cover your idea for health insurance. Your proposed .001, times 1.48 Tr. is $1.48 BILLION. Coincidentally (or not?), that’s about the same amount we ADD annually to the national debt (or did in 2016 under Obama).
So we add that much AGAIN to our annual revenues so we can spend it on health insurance for EVERYONE, even if they HAVE and are satisfied with the EXCELLENT health insurance they have now. And you haven’t addressed ANY of the points I raised about WHAT food items would or would NOT be taxed, or the complexity of, say, convenience stores in figuring out what portion of their revenues came from TAXED food items and what came from untaxed items (again, you haven’t specified WHAT kind of food items you want to tax and what you DON’T think should be taxed) — or the additional COSTS that tax would impose on food vendors, especially the little guy whose profit margin is ALREADY razor-thin.)
Now, maybe your proposal will somehow wend its way to the desk of the President, or more plausibly (and probably more usefully) to the desk of the Secretary of Health and Human Services — whose department actually designed the program AND will re-design it. Maybe the person who reads it will be blown away by its feasibility and simple logic. Maybe the numbers WILL cover insurance costs for everybody. I don’t THINK so, because simple arithmetic tells me otherwise. I think the numbers are WAY off, and I don’t SEE “simple” solutions for what is or is not going to be taxed or how the food sellers who have to collect the tax can DO it without incurring SIGNIFICANT costs to THEMSELVES. I also don’t see how the insurance your plan would provide would be adaptable to EVERYONE, or if you’re offering us yet another “ONE SIZE FITS ALL” plan like Obamacare.
As for your suggestion that the government’s effort to modify its plan (NOT develop another one!) is “dumb”: NO, I don’t think it is. If we as a nation are DETERMINED to provide everybody with a high level of medical care, we HAVE to have an insurance plan (or plans) that will pay for it. I’m NOT convinced your idea will do the job.
HOWEVER, if you want a .001 tax on food (AND can figure out what items and what vendors would be taxed and which would not), and REBATE THAT AMOUNT TO EVERY AMERICAN, to use to pay for HEALTH INSURANCE THAT THEY CHOOSE in the PRIVATE MARKET (or put it in a Medical Savings Account, or just pay some bills), I’ll go along. But you STILL need to clarify WHAT foods are or are not included; AND if your tax would cover food purchased in restaurants, fast-food joints, stores primarily devoted to selling NON-FOOD items (you can expect a HUGE fight on this from both sides!), and all the rest.
You got it wrong. First, $1.48 TRILLION will not come from personal income taxes. This will be sales tax on 0.001 for non-food purchases. So money will be there to pay doctors according how worthy they are or according to their patient intake. Note all people will go to clinics or hospital in one year. I usually spend about $230 per year as annual check-up. But I pay a lot as gas, car, travel; hotel room. Given my business, I will pay as sales tax about 3,000 per year. Rich people will pay more for luxury items such as boats, jets, clothing, heavy equipment, houses etc. There won’t be out of pocket premiums.
II GOT that. I do understand the additional revenue will come from an earmarked sales tax. And I GET that nobody lays out cash “out-of-pocket” for insurance premiums: THEY PAY IT WHEN THEY BUY SOMETHING. That’s STILL out-of-pocket, it’s just CALLED A TAX, not a premium. But money is money, whatever you choose to call it.
I’m STILL wondering WHAT FOODS you’re planning to tax (from what sources: supermarkets, fine; delis, OK; WHAT ABOUT convenience stores and the THOUSANDS of other places one can buy food these days? What about restaurants? What about buying a candybar at the drug store or at the counter in a book store? ALL SORTS OF PLACES sell SOME food items nowadays, and you’re imposing a HUGE new burden on them by making them become TAX-COLLECTORS FOR THE IRS.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE COST TO THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS (mostly VERY small businesses with very tight profit margins) for the HUGE amount of paperwork they’ll have to do on letting the IRS know who bought “food items” and who didn’t? THEY are going to be REALLY hurt by the extra operating costs — and they’re not Whole Foods or someone else who can AFFORD the extra expense. As usual, the government will transfer a BIG part of the expense of tax collection (which the government SHOULD pay) to small businesses and individuals who can’t afford it.
Now I see ANOTHER problem: Sure, the really good doctors with hugely successful practices will do well financially (they DO, already); but SOME of them will be SO busy with new patient demand that they QUALITY of their work will suffer. AND WHAT ABOUT THE NOT-SO-GOOD doctors, the medical hacks who will pull in as many patients as they CAN in order to make more money? What about the patients who get LOUSY care from THEM because they’re working harder at GETTING new patients than at TREATING them?
Oh, and you let good doctors earn more because they have (presumably) more patients (not necessarily, but I’ll let you have that point). What about paying NURSES, ER personnel who save lives? First Responders (the medical kind) on accident sites? HOW DO THE GOOD ONES GET COMPENSATED FOR BEING GOOD, and HOW DO THE LOUSY ONES GET PENALIZED? Except for private-duty nurses, they’re NOT independent contractors. The patient PAYS THE DOCTOR or hospital, not the wonderful night-duty nurse or the ER guy who dressed their injuries after the accident.
AND you want to apply this sales tax to thing like REAL PROPERTY???? In a country where millions of hard-working people CAN’T AFFORD to buy a home at all, or have to buy so far out in the ‘burbs that they spend a fortune on gasoline (and HOURS a day) to commute to/from work, YOU are imposing ANOTHER TAX to raise the price of the home they already can barely afford? To pay for health care THEY MAY NOT WANT OR NEED? How kind of you! (Yeah, I got it: .001 isn’t much. But .001 on a million dollar house is enough to make the house (and in this area that million won’t BUY a house: if yo’re lucky, it’ll buy you a tiny 1-Bedroom condo 40 miles from your work site!) My, young families looking for affordable places to live within ANY reasonable commuting distance will LOVE you.
What about home-renters, incidentally? By renting instead of buying, they’re keeping down costs BUT NOT benefiting from the apparently inexorable rise in home values. So they’re off the hook on your tax? Or do landlords have to charge their TENANTS the tax, because those renters are, after all, “buying” OCCUPANCY?
And then there’s a similar issue with automobiles: people who LEASE cars instead of BUYING them — do the auto dealers have to charge THEM the tax? THEY’ll love you, too! And the WEALTHIER people who can afford electric cars pay a higher sales tax to cover your .001, but over time they SAVE on fuel/battery recharge costs — another BOON for the people who need it LEAST. The poor jerk who has to buy a 2007 clunker to get to work not only pays more for the car, but more for his gasoline too. HE’s gonna be grateful, as well.
Sorry, I DO understand your idea but it just has too many complicated wrinkles — ESPECIALLY THE ISSUE OF FOOD THAT ISN’T PURCHASED FROM A “TRADITIONAL” SUPERMARKET. You STILL haven’t addressed that issue. AND you’ve smacked that tax on a LOT of people — homebuyers, renters, car buyers or lessors, etc., etc. — for whom that extra .001 MAY be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. WHAT IF THEY ALL STOP BUYING homes, cars, etc (never mind yachts!) and start buying CHEAPER CLOTHES and household goods (and thus paying a LOWER TAX) — but contributing less to the overall economy (and very possibly causing U.S.-based workers who make those clothes or household goods, while of course you CAN’T put your tax on the wages of the Toyota worker in Japan (or wherever they make them nowadays). So Toyota “eats” the tax on its products and doesn’t pass it on to the car-buyer. ANOTHER disincentive to “buy American.”
I could go on this way for another hour ,because every time I write one down I think of 2-3 more ways in which that measly little .001 tax would HURT the consumer who can LEAST afford it, the seller who has the LEAST comfortable profit margin, and the worker who needs his wage packet, UNTOUCHED by the IRS, most of all. In fact, the ONLY people I can think of who’d LIKE this idea are IRS agents or supermarket operators (and since THEY also sell all kinds of NON-FOOD products — have you BEEN in a supermarket recently? The FOOD doesn’t take up more than a FRACTION of their square footage! — they won’t be thrilled, either.
But I realize you don’t GIVE a DAMN who DOESN’T like your tax. YOU like it, and in your mind you are the SOLE AUTHORITY.
Please read carefully, I said the 0.001 will come from non-food purchases. I have given examples such as when you purchase a car say 30,000. You will 30 as sales tax. How many vehicles are sold each year? Millions.
Are you talking about using revenues from your .001 to rebate to people so THEY can buy INSURANCE to suit their own needs? Or are you suggesting the federal government should use those revenues to PAY DIRECTLY for everyone’s medical expenses?
It makes an ENORMOUS difference in cost,and also in the degree of satisfaction each consumer will have
(or NOT have) with his/her own insurance.
Your statement “there will be no deductibles” suggests you want the govt. to put that money in a pot and use it to pay everybody’s medical bills, but REBATING it to the TAXPAYERS would be better, because THEY COULD decide what kind of insurance suits them BEST. (They could also put their rebates into a Medical Savings Account to cover ANY medical expenses, not just what’s covered by a government plan.) That arrangement would also help Christian Scientists or Amish who don’t use doctors but DO use faith practitioners, or people with very high dental care needs, or very expensive eye care or glasses, or any other non-covered service.
IF you can explain WHAT FOODS would be or would NOT be taxes, and if you return that tax revenue IN THE FORM OF A REBATE to consumers so they can choose what health care they most need/want, I’ll buy into your plan. But that “WHAT’S GONNA BE TAXED?” issue — even more than the means of distribution of the funds — is CRITICALLY importand.
What did you say-PAY DIRECTLY for everyone’s medical expenses and that it will cost too much? You are reasoning like a Republican or TP who think poor Americans do not deserve to live in this Country. Everybody should have access to medical service. The 0.001 will be collected by IRS. People will have direct relations with their doctors –not with insurance companies dictating what a patient should be treated. There are trillion of funds that they will be collected; and I am sure there will be surpluses. If there are surplus at the end of the year, every tax payer will be reimbursed according to their tax returns. So the rich who should have paid a lot will still be repaid more than Joe who was jobless.
Do you REALLY think the President of the United States, who is surrounded by some of the best minds in the country (especially on economic topics and health care) will look to you for advice on what to do next?
Just because I am Black, Trump should not listen to me?
I told Trump I am older than him. Old people are wiser than those now surrounding Trump. Thank God we have a private sector still working to deliver services and goods we need. If the private sector were like federal government, we would all go hungry for they would be still be debating how and how to deliver goods and service. As one future US president said: “The WH is now rented by teenagers.” I agree.
First, I apologize if you thought my comment had ANYTHING to do with race. I had no way of knowing that you’re Black, and that fact has no connection at all to what I said.
The point I was making is that the US is a nation of 320 MILLION people, most of whom have something to say that they think is important enough for the President — ANY President to pay attention. Where would one human being FIND the time to hear or read the ideas of so many people? No matter how much the President might profit from hearing you, the chances are small that he will get a chance.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the private sector, which has always had (often unrecognized) strengths the government lacks. I’m NOT sure I agree that “the WH is now rented by teenagers: it’s occupied by people who mostly come from the SAME private sector you say you respect. WHY if you think “if the private sector were like the federal government, we would all go hungry” (with which I agree!), do you THEN say the people in charge now — who got their TRAINING & education in the SAME private sector — are “teenagers”? That suggests the private sector doesn’t do very well at TRAINING people to be ADULTS, not teenagers! 🙁
I got the “teenager” idea from one famous person- and I agree with her. In fact I have asked for sticker for my truck stating the” WH is now rented by teenagers”. Can you imagine Trump wants to deport parents with kids born here? Cut funding for poor mothers to raise their; cut school funds for sanctuary cities which will hurt kids born here; cut college grants and loans for poor smart local kids – just because Trump wants to import cheap doctors, scientists; professors with foreign accent to teach in our universities; deny women control of their bodies; and allow businesses to pollute our waters and air; have as many wives as you want. That is how teenagers think of their world. Teenagers hate wrinkled women and prey for young ones. Thank God Trump dropped Newt and Herman Cain. How many wives did Trump divorce? Do you really think Trump is happy now with Melania? I doubt. His older kids are giving him troubles now. I wish Trump the best. What say you now!
Gather some Republicans of all stripes and hammer out something that can work. Check the Tenth Amendment. Obama “care” is essentially Fascism (The Government demands while business and the individuals take the risks.) and this is the antithesis of the Tenth Amendment. The AMA signed on to protect their FDA enforced monopoly; question that. AARP signed on to benefit their Insurance Co. Question that, too. does it have to be about “Insurance”? Give the customer more choices. In most cases, that’s good for business; and for freedom.
No,Obamacare is NOT fascism — it IS “statism,” which isn’t quite as bad. Otherwise, much of what you say is true. The problem is that the 10th Amendment has been pretty much wiped off the books by the tons of regulatory initiatives that Congresses have passed and the Courts have approved over the whole of the 20th century (AND this one). The new SCOTUS — with Neil Gorsuch on it and maybe 1-2 MORE conservatives being named later this year (Anthony Kennedy is telling friends he WANTS to retire this summer, and Ruth Ginsberg doesn’t look like she’ll MAKE it to fall, no matter WHAT she wants) — MIGHT be able to do something about resurrecting the 10th Amdmt., if they can get a case that makes it possible.
It bothered me that Trump wanted the Republicans to vote for it to make him look good or at one point you should take one for the team. Or now I know who is loyal. Or Mark Meadows I will come after you(at re-election time)?
This is not a popularity contest, my Congressman was trying to protect his supporters and when he is up for re-election I will vote for him again. I am a Trump voter with signs and everything but that ticked me off.
If you want to “go after” Mark Meadows I might JOIN you! He is a perfect example of the newbie who thinks he knows EVERYTHING but in truth hasn’t got a CLUE how to write (much less PASS) legislation. Thanks to him and his “my way or the highway!” gang of 20, WE DON’T HAVE A BILL TO REPEAL/REPLACE OBAMACARE and VERY little chance of having one this year. So Obamacare WILL IMPLODE, the people who need SOME insurance will be left with NOTHING, they will (correctly) blame the REPUBLICANS, and Mark Meadows and his friends will all LOSE next November. The only thing WRONG with that is that it will make NANCY PELOSI Speaker of the House again, and if you don’t like Paul Ryan, you will HATE, LOATHE and DETEST Nancy P. So enjoy your VERY BRIEF sojourn in the majority — next year it’ll be back to being a PERMANENT MINORITY.
I support the “Freedom Caucus” 100%! Dave Brat (R-VA) was just on Fox w/Lou Dobbs explaining what was going on. He is an economist & I trust him. All Freedom Caucus ( approx. 40) members are 100% Trump supporters, they are trying to improve the bill so that the Senate will also pass it. Ryan’s bill does not keep the premiums from going up and others will lose their health care. I feel sure that Mark Meadows and Dave Brat know more than you.
Dave Brat and Mark Meadows are nice young men but neither has really got Congress figured out yet. Being an economist is no help at all, since getting legislation thru Congress has nothing to do with whether it’s valid economically or not. And I know they WERE Trump supporters, although the President is now MADDER THAN HELL AT ALL OF THEM: If I were Meadows or Brat, I wouldn’t look for invites for the Easter Egg Roll in my inbox, not THIS year, anyhow. Maybe not the July 4 celebration, either, unless they can work with Paul Ryan to find a way of getting OUT of the MESS they and their “my way or the highway” team created. They’re like CHILDREN who haven’t learned yet that if you eat all the ice cream when you arrive at the party, first, the birthday boy is gonna be MAD at you, and second, you won’t be able tn enjoy it when all the other kids get THEIRS. They just need to GROW UP and listen to what the adults SAY.
Anyone who supports ANY political organization “100%” and leaves him/herself room to even consider the possibility that some issue might come along where he or she does NOT support that organization is being either ROBOTIC or short-sighted, or both. But you’re obviously young, so I forgive you.
I LIKE DAVE BRAT. I think he’s been a good Congressman — though as a second-termer, he hasn’t had a chance to exercise real power yet. I do think some of his associates in the Freedom Caucus are still VERY wet behind the ears, and DON’t yet understand the processes by which things actually GET DONE in Congress. I wouldn’t have put Dave Brat among them, but…
If all 40 members of the Freedom Caucus ARE “100% Trump supporters” they should take their cue FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP and support what HE is supporting: the TRUMP-RYAN bill. Indeed, he has had some very sharp things to say about the failings of the Freedom Caucus, sharper, even, than I would have been.
The problem with the FC’s approach is that it WON’T allow us to achieve a bill THAT THE SENATE WILL PASS. The Senate CANNOT pass the WHOLE bill in one piece, and by not getting Part One to them NOW, we run a HUGE risk the “upper house” won’t pass ANY of it. Part One – which your FC friends just killed (apparently now with some second thoughts) HAS to be passed in a form that WON’T require 60 votes; the rest of it can GET the 60 votes. I don’t expect this to be more than inside baseball to YOU, but the FC members should understand it — or listen to their LEADERS, who CERTAINLY do.
And if you just care about supporting President Trump, WHY OPPOSE THE PLAN HE HAS APPROVED? Don’t you think maybe HE has better information even than Dave Brat’s? Or yours, or mine, for that matter (though I also have a Ph.D. in Economics — back when it wasn’t corrupted by political correctness — AND FIFTY YEARS EXPERIENCE in dealing with this kind of legislative morass. So I seriously doubt that Mark Meadows and
Dave Brat DO know more about it than I do. And considering that they’re NOW RETHINKING their cockup, clearly THEY don’t think so, either.
Need to ask why when Obamacare with being considered there was 14million uninsured and when the repeal was being considered there was 24million uninsured where did the 10 million come from?
Over the course of 7 years more people have gotten to the place they can not afford the affordable health care. Like my wife and myself. I am retired, from one of the largest companies in the world, DuPont, Our insurance, before Obummer care, we were paying $250 a month, with dental and a $500 deductible. One year after Obummer care my insurance
went up 50% and our deductible was $1500 per individual. This year my insurance is almost $500 a month and our deductible is $5000 per individual. So why have health insurance, at that cost, if your healthy?
I think many people eventually found out it was really a tax, Google page 107 health care bill, and you will find out why it is a tax because we were not Muslims.
The numbers do not mean anything. The people who have it were forced into buying it, if not the numbers would be VERY different.
Though DO NOT mean to give undo credit I do say that by not passing this repeal this does place the spiral death of Obamacare in full view of phbli and on face of the Demo’s and the Rhinos who accepted it. Time will pass and positive changes will come
Another “Hitler” move?
I agree Obamacare must be killed, but is this a move of not voting so Obamacare
will die and the lousy Ryan replacement will be rushed in at the last minute to “save” everyone?
And actually end up worse than Obamacare.
The freedom caucus is a total group of pendejos. If you vote no, youi need to have a plan all set to go.
They need to get honest and put on blue arm bands since they are such jackasses.
Opening a new discussion. What would be worse? To let Obamacare die by itself? Which it is presently doing with more insurance companies pulling out and more doctors and clinics refusing to accept it? With more people unable to afford It? In my case, Obamacare insurance would cost my wife alone (me not included) over $900 per month with a $10,000 deductible. What retiree can afford that? That is like having to pay for something you can never use. It is throwing money away. Or would it be better to eliminate Obamacare, allow insurance companies to compete with each other for customers and pass a new bill with no mandatory, forced insurance with no penalties? I think if your wanted to get something done, you need to eliminate provided insurance for all politicians. No special plans for senators, congressmen and their staff.
Right on!!!. ” No special plans for senators, congressmen and their staff.”
If Congress had to use Government insurance it would have been fixed by now. Actually it would never have gotten this far, because they would have read it, and voted against it, if they had any sense at all. Maybe my first mistake is thinking they have any sense.
IF THIS BILL IS DEAD..THANK ” ALL ” YOUR CONGRESSMAN & SENATORS FOR THAT EFFORT PUT FORTH.
” IT IS YOUR $$$$ ” I HAVE JUST READ A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS, GEZZ, IT IS BRAIN VERSUS THE BRICK TO
SEE WHICH HAS THE MOST INTELLIGENCE. ( I AM BETTING ON THE BRICK ) JUST REMEMBER YOUR CONGRESSMAN
AND SENATORS ” DO NOT ” HAVE THIS INSURANCE STUFF AND NEVER WILL BUY IT.
WELL TRUMP TRIED ANY WAY.. ” NOW ” GO PAY FOR YOUR OBAMACARE. YOU VOTED FOR IT.
You don’t make sense. Trump hasn’t tried doing the right thing with Obamacare, which is repeal it and let free people choose freely what their healthcare will be.
As several people have so intelligently said, this isn’t about our health care, but about health care INSURANCE (namely everyone having health care insurance). Because Health Insurance has become so expensive (thank you Obama, Nancy Pelosi et al) many people are paying for health care insurance, but they can’t afford to use it because paying for the insurance costs them far more than what they were paying, and the co-pays cost so much that between the two they can’t afford to go to a doctor unless it is a dire emergency. Add in the fact that Obamacare forced many to have their working hours cut, thus less income, and you have a mess that only “government” could possibly think was a good idea.
Rand Paul has the best plan
The medical bill needs a lot of work to fix it. First they need to get Big Pharma out of the center of everything. They are why it is costing so much, there is so much gone on in natural cures that it changes daily. They have figured out medical cures from the Bible and they work.The FDA is a big problem also, In the last 1 1/2 yrs. up to 25 natural cure Dr.s have been murdered, the cases haven’t been solved. I sent this info to President Trump and the House, We should have the right to have our ins. pay for natural cure Dr.s.
I am no longer a republican, I am a independent. I support Donald Trump 1000%, but the republican party is a mess, they can not get their act together. I will not stand with any party that stabs their President in the back, they are a disgrace. I hope real Americans will vote these back stabbing cowards out of office, a bunch of Benedict Arnolds.
Exactly my thoughts also.
I am upset that the House thought they are qualified to even consider writing a Healthcare plan to replace Obamacare. Prior to Obamacare, the healthcare system was operated by the people who provide care and the insurers who provide the insurance. Every state has a Commissioner of Insurance Office whose job it is to oversee the mandates/regulations/practices of the Insurers that sell/provide insurance in the state. If any care or procedure is denied, the patients advocate can appeal to the Insurance Commissioner’s office where a decision will be made, which in my experience has been successful in having the decision reversed to benefit the patient. Doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, home health care services, actually any and every supplier of health related services are regulated by State and Federal organizations which have very stringent rules of compliance found in reams of pages filling 3-4 inch thick books as well as random unannounced inspections. When Obama moved in to take over our healthcare system it was only to fulfill his plan to bring ‘Universal Healthcare to America”, as he stated in a 2007 campaign interview. (FYI: Healthcare is the first and most important of eight levels of control that must be obtained before creation of a Social State (according to Alinsky’s teachings) which was actually Obama’s goal.) Unfortunately the importance of how Obama’s statement endorsing Universal healthcare would lead to the devastation to our healthcare system was ignored because everyone was caught up in the schematics of ‘electing our first black President’. Well, we still have not elected the first black president because Obama is not black, he is mixed race (white mother, black father?). The bottom line is we need to get politicians out of the writing or re-writing of anything to do with our healthcare system. We did have some problems with the system, mostly found in the government run insurers like Medicare and Medicaid which has become nothing but a system being used for more criminal activity than for those who need it for medical care. I am listening to the news on Fox while writing this and a guest that is talking about the failed effort to pass a new bill last week made a very good analogy of having politicians write a healthcare plan. She said that asking politicians to fix the healthcare system would be like asking them to fix the hole in the Titanic. They would pull a deck chair over the hole and announce to everyone the hole had been fixed. If we do not want to find ourselves on the Titanic, we better all start demanding that our healthcare system be repaired by the people who know how healthcare should be administered, without input from the government.
It was 3 bills in One. What happened was the people read the bill submitted by Speaker Ryan and they did not like it and people contact their Congressman and said no to it.
They need to scrap it and wait until after the 2018 elections. Hopefully we will get a lot of the rinos out of office and congress can get back to work.
I believe that the Affordable Care Act is an unmitigated disaster.
That said, until every natural-born American citizen who has need of medical treatment, testing, and prescriptions have THEIR needs met, not one dollar should be spent on funding healthcare for illegal immigrants or those who have not successfully gone through the complete process of becoming a citizen — including all these damned people who president Dindu Nutngud obama brought in from Syria on a special presidential plan of “accelerated vetting.”
Uncoiling the bucket of snakes that obamacare is will require some time.
I for one would love to see it completely erased, but that will be a Herculean effort for Congress right now.
My wife and I paid $337/month total for health, dental, and vision insurance for the two of us in 2008: in 2009, that became $668; it’s now over $2500 per month for the two of us, and less than 50% of the medical procedures are available to us; we lost our visioncare; and the formulary for prescription drugs is severely reduced; our co-pays for healthcare and prescriptions have skyrocketed.
So our insurance rates have increased 800%+, we’re covered for less than HALF of the medical procedures that were once available to us, and 1/3 of our insurance is gone — all with the same insurance carrier. We’ve had to purchase a supplemental insurance to cover those medical conditions that our basic insurance once covered, and that’s running about $560 per month.
In that Congress didn’t get the healthcare bill right the first time doesn’t bother me, because I had to develop patience over the past eight years with Dindu Nutngud obama and his minions in control of our nation. But I expect Ryan to quit screwing around. We need to break his rice bowl or kick his butt out of office if he continues being a Rino.
This isn’t dead. It will comeback in a better form and better written. It as has been said by Arnold Schwarzenegger… “I’ll be back”!
I can vote for this.
Representative Mo Brooks, a Republican from the 5th Congressional District in Alabama, has filed a one-sentence bill to completely repeal Obamacare.
The bill, titled the “ObamaCare Repeal Act,” simply reads:
“Effective as of December 31, 2017, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111–148) is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.”
The bill would give Congress until the end of the year to agree on a replacement to Obamacare. If no replacement is agreed on, it would simply remain repealed, as if it never existed.
This give the liars 9 months to deliver what they been promising that they have ready to deliver in 30 days for the past 8 years.
Pray for President Trump and his administration.
Leave a replacement Bill alone. Obamacare will collapse on it’s own. Let the Dems own it. They’ve had it for years and did nothing to improve it. Now they want the New President and House *& Senate to fix this piece of work. JUST SAY NO! No one has a right to Medical Insurance. You want it, you buy it.
The so called freedom caucus seems to be the ones who do not want Trump to fulfill his promises may not be but that is how it looks to me. I do know the inability to unite the party is not helping anyone. Republicans were elected and given the majority in all 3 branches of government now it’s time to produce what they were elected to do. Many do not believe socialized medicine is the answer but who knows? Not sure myself just what we need the government to do about health care. There does not seem to be an answer to getting anything done.