So was anyone able to enjoy the Super Bowl after seeing that disgusting Doritos ad? The one that tried to make it seem like an unborn fetus was an underdeveloped version of a person? Look, it’s one thing to personify animals and toys, but where does this country’s leading snack manufacturer get off attributing human qualities to the lump of tissue that inhabits a pregnant woman’s womb? Has anyone looked at the ratings yet? Surely millions of football fans turned the game off in protest.
Now, if you’re a clearheaded adult of reasonable intelligence, you might be scratching your head in confusion. Hey, I saw that commercial and it didn’t bother me. Yeah, we get that you’re making fun of pro-choice feminists, but you’re reaching. Literally no one is that eaten up with liberalism.
Sad to say, but you’re wrong. Abortion activist group NARAL Pro-Choice America tweeted the following after the Doritos commercial aired:
#NotBuyingIt – that @Doritos ad using #antichoice tactic of humanizing fetuses & sexist tropes of dads as clueless & moms as uptight. #SB50
The antichoice tactic of humanizing fetuses. If you’re looking for a novel way to commit suicide, just read that phrase over and over again until your head explodes. This country’s abortionists and their lobbyists are finally being exposed as the monsters they are. They cannot abide anything that makes the outrageous suggestion that a fetus is, in fact, a human being. Of course they can’t. How could you profit from this twisted industry if you allowed that assertion into your conscience? Of course, that presupposes that these cretins have a conscience in the first place.
By the way, if you didn’t see the commercial, it depicted a couple at the doctor’s office watching an ultrasound of their baby. The dad is munching Doritos and the unborn child begins responding to the snack. Finally, the baby is so motivated by the tempting treat that it essentially decides to expedite its own early arrival. Whether it was funny or not every viewer can decide on their own, but it’s hard to imagine too many people saw it as some kind of anti-abortion statement. Then again, it seems like this country is filling up fast with oversensitive liberal morons who find new ways to get offended every week. Maybe Doritos will have to come out with a special Planned Parenthood edition of their product to smooth things over with disgruntled feminists. Judging by the look of the average pro-choice rally, they do constitute an important part of the consumer base.
But maybe the backlash that began with last year’s undercover videos will gain momentum thanks to the arrogance of the pro-choice movement. If enough people realize that to support abortion they have to deny the humanity of an unborn child, this sick practice will implode. Maybe that’s a naive hope, but if it’s between that and a future where we treat fetuses like inhuman parasites prior to their delivery day, we’ll settle for being naive.
Having not watched the “super bowl” I missed the “Doritos” commercial, but if it was what I think it was with the rainbow chips then let’s keep our fingers crossed and
hope it was a death sentence for Frito Lay.
nope.
a fetus ejected itself out of a woman’s womb to get a Doritos chip.
very funny actually.
The “super bowl” was a joke like you, it was an attempt by your father, Satan, to sell homosexuality to the masses.
Ready for some chips you little fag?
so football players are GAY?
you need mental help, old man.
if I was the son of Satan, I would be able to remove all you idiots before you fuck up the country.
sadly I am not able to do that.
Your mind is just as much of a polluted cesspool as your anus is.
H.B. The best way to deal with this T R O L L is to ignore it and not respond. It only gets paid by the number of responses it elicits.
still will not stop me proving you fools are LIARS.
Definition of LIAR: Hitlery Clownton. Now there’s a confirmed lying, cheating, worthless POS. The FBI confirmed on Monday that they are indeed, investigating her and still, she’s trying to deny it. As I posted before, she’s also even lying about her speeches to Wall Street. Now the LIAR is trying to back track. Now, there’s a LIAR. You learned from her. I’ve pasted all the lies I’ve caught you in on my pages and, there are plenty of your lies to read.
so WHY don’t you link me to the ACTUAL WORDS of the FBI?
cause THAT would blow your stupidity UP
Once again YOU”RE unable to keep up. Your stupidity knows no bounds. It is in MANY articles since Monday. Still, you’re too stupid to find it so you just go around begging for the easy way out. I have linked 9 articles to my HITLERY CLOWNton page along with your stupid responses and am getting a bunch of laughs at your expense. Thanks, moron.
so that’s a NO, you can’t link to IT.
So that’s “I already linked 9 articles to my Hitlery CLOWNton page. Still, I love the idea of you walking around with your hand outstretched, begging for links.
LOL!!! One of your own rags just called Hitlery “damaged goods”!!! Just like YOU!!!!
you may remember me saying I hope she drops out sooner that later.
but that would require brains, so…
I remember it like it was yesterday and, you might remember me disagreeing with you because, as I stated before, the longer she’s in the more damage Moron Panders will do to himself. He’s already going around saying he’s going to do things that make no sense financially. The longer she stays in the more crap he’ll have to promise you morons. The more crap he promises you morons, the harder it will be for him to back track when he has to show fiduciary responsibility. I love that he’s painting himself into an impossible financial corner,
“I remember it like it was yesterday”
but didn’t stop you from posting stupid shit anyway?
it’s a compulsion, right?
I haven’t seen one peep in the news about how the movie 13hrs is hurting Hillary.
not even in right wing wacky world.
so much for that plan, right fool?
weren’t you the con claiming that movie was going to be her undoing?
I challenge you to show where I claimed it would be “her undoing”. I NEVER said that, what I said was that it would open people’s eyes to the reality of the situation she created. It worked to do that beautifully. Once again you’re reaching back to the past because I showed you for the moron you are in the present and, again, you’ll be unable to irrefutably back up your stupid comment. So, show us ALL where I made the statement you are claiming and prove me wrong. Otherwise, we all get to see you for the pathetic moron you keep proving yourself to be. And, I stand by my statement that the longer the lying POS, Hitlery stays in, the more free crap the delusional “death eating a cracker, moron” Bernie will have to promise you idiots. Once we get to the general election he’ll go to his usual fall-back position of flailing his bony arms around while yelling that he’ll just tax everyone for it. Then the GOP candidate will staple his stupid failing promises to his forehead for everyone to see. You’re as big a moron as we’re going to find anywhere.
I know what you are saying and agree with it, it’s just that every once in awhile I can’t help myself.
Your NOTUS already fucked up the country. You were born fucked up.
Only the delusional loons thought it was funny. You’re such a moron.
I always knew you were a humorless old fool.
There’s my little fluffer. I have a great sense of humor, it just takes something a little more sophisticated than that moronic attempt to make me laugh. Have you seen where the FBI has FINALLY confirmed that Hitlery IS under investigation?? That vile, evil bitch is still trying to deny it and, after claiming that her speeches to the Wall Street bankers and brokers were made to “admonish them”, she now doesn’t want to publish the transcripts because attendees who were there have started disputing her claims!! It’s been a great couple of days with your moron candidates. Even Burnout is making ever more ridiculous promises. WE’RE LOVING IT!!!
Who cares, Odumbass already has us up to $18 trillion, what’s 18 trillion more?
well people, conception is not the beginning of life.
you can take a fertilized egg, freeze it, thaw it a month, a year later and it will develop normally.
can you freeze a baby?
so I guess they are not the same, huh.
That was a really dumb comment. What about when the egg is fertilized, Einstein? It becomes a living being.
Have some fertilized chicken eggs for breakfast.
you can take a fertilized egg, freeze it, thaw it a month, a year later and it will develop normally.
can you freeze a baby?
so tell me what I said in error?
The moment you opened your salivating mouth
typical vacant con shows he is not too bright.
Nor is anyone who upvotes your Geritol / Depends ass.
so are you bi-polar or just nutty?
you UP vote me while attacking me?
Eather way you answered me so you understood what I ment
Not enough time or space.
Forgive my ignorance….where and when was that actually done. And I believe the discussion was about a fetus, not a fertilized egg. Though you did make a point: can you freeze a fetus? Also, what will that “unfrozen fertilized egg” develop into? Oh right, a fetus. And what will that fetus develop into, a kangaroo? Well, no. Simply because people insist on describing what grows and develops in a woman’s uterus as a “fetus” instead of a human being will not excuse terminating it’s existence. Here’s to hoping there really is no God, since that will be the only way mankind will not be held reponsible
well Dan since you right wing nuts think the beginning of “life” is conception,
I think you are OUT OF GAS.
they are OBVIOUSLY not the same.
beside, God thinks other wise as well.
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became
a living being.” Genesis 2:7
maybe you can quote some biblical passage that defines the beginning of life better than mine.
this is ALL about YOUR Bible, right?
this has nothing to do with science.
Jeremiah 1:5 “The word of the LORD came to me, saying, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you
Psalms 139:13-14 “You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made”
Isaiah 44:2 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I … The Lord called me from the womb, from the body of my mother he named my name.
God knew our NAMES before we were even conceived, HE created our physical being, HE KNEW US and He knows EVERY SINGLE BABY who has been slaughtered!
Is there anything stupider or more vapid than a libTURD quoting Scripture?
Lol! Only when it suits their agenda, with no sense of faith or belief! Just simply words on paper in a vain attempt to prove their misguided point!
Glad to see I’m having a discussion with someone who’s not prone to overreacting (?)……….I’ll chance some speculation that perhaps you believe the Bible is a collection of mythological stories that have little scientific or historical foundation; you have a lot of company in that position. There is a published paper by the Smithsonian addressing the veracity of the Bible’s accuracy in regards to Middle Eastern archaeology……I reference it as it was the most objective article I found in a brief Google search. My point being, if there is quantifiable archaeological support for the Bible, it stands to reason that other aspects of the book might be valid as well. Beyond that, seems to me the real question is: how does one define “life”? Logic demands that question be answered before one can determine where and when it “begins”. I’ll start that discussion by submitting: “if something is “alive” because it reacts to stimuli, whether harsh or moderate, than simply watching the reaction of a fetus when abortifacient chemicals are introduced into the uterus during the procedure forces the conclusion that yes, that fetus was “alive”. What other definitions are available?
AS I told our friend Dennis above,
base on his definition of a “baby” being a DNA related growth, independently growing in a women’s body, I will be happy to add “react to outside stimulus”.
a tumor fits this definition pretty well as well.
link me to the bible stuff.
yes I think it’s a book of fables.
I think the bible was written based on the knowledge of the time, roughly 2000 years ago! They did not possess the technical biological knowledge we have today. The ability to see into a pregnant mother to witness the early stage of development. Hence the statement at first breath!
You are also confusing creationism with procreation.
God took dust of the earth and formed man, into which he breathed the breath of life! He then took the rib of man, again with the dust of earth formed her into woman,a companion of man, and breathed the breath of life into her!
Hence forth from Gods creation of man and woman, there was no longer the need for a man to give forth his rib to create woman. God in his infinite wisdom gave us the ability to procreate!
“I think the bible was written based on the knowledge of the time”
BUT,
the bible is the “word of God”
“they did not possess the technical biological knowledge we have today”
AND today’s medical people say it’s NOT a baby cause it can’t survive,
and beside the real question is WHEN it gets the soul.
we remove growths all the time.
this growth is different because some insist it has a soul from conception.
“God in his infinite wisdom gave us the ability to procreate!”
were just evolved organisms.
billions of years ago, we just split in half.
But it was written in a fashion that the people of the time could relate to and understand!
true, complete with local characters and leaders of the time to make the fable that more compelling.
What is your problem?
Problem?
I was merely explaining why the bible has the historical references it does have.
OK, when is the begining of life? I really want to know. Do you call the begining of life when that baby is delivered/born? Oh, wait, then it really is a baby even at the very “begining of life”. Fertilized egg, fetus, baby, all the same to a logical person.
well since this issue is ALL crated by the Christians, THIS is what God says.
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became
a living being.” Genesis 2:7
it’s obvious that life begins once the baby breathes Gods Air.
So, it’s God’s ‘air’ that makes us human? I always thought male and female were the only ‘humans’…. dogs, cats, cows, chickens, lions, tigers, bears, elephants, birds, etc., etc., also qualify as ‘human’… since they breath the same air?! You’re a biology teacher, right? That would explain why there are so many TOTALLY IGNORANT human children graduating from our totally dysfunctional school system!
“So, it’s God’s ‘air’ that makes us human?”
I did NOT say the word Human now did I.
LIFE begins when God air enters the lings of Gods creatures.
same as people.
WHY the disingenuous attempt?
makes you look more ignorant than normal.
Senilitychick, huffing and puffing, blathering, wasting oxygen. Where is Al Gore when you need him.
‘Air’ does NOT determine LIFE! There has to be ‘life’ for something to grow… which a baby begins doing from the very moment of conception! There has to first be LIFE before the heart begins to beat at 5-6 weeks, before the brain begins to function, BEFORE bones and hair can grow. This baby doesn’t need ‘air’ at this point because it gets OXYGEN and nutrients through its connection to it’s mother via the umbilical cord.
I provided scripture.
your flapping gums are not going to cut it.
it’s “alive” because it has an umbilical cord connected to the mother.
tumors grow and develop, are they “life” too?
Nowhere does it say in the scripture that God ‘breathed’ into the animals ‘life’…. yet, they DO live. What God breathed into man was a soul that gives ‘life’ for all eternity; that life is different from all others and separates us from other living beings. Go a little deeper into the scripture and learn.
Well Bird, it seems you have yet to provide scripture to back up anything you say.
the liberal HAS.
Senilitychick pontificating leftist spewage.
” all the same to a logical person.”
silly illogical person. Did THIS go right over your con head?
you can take a fertilized egg, freeze it, thaw it a month, a year later and it will develop normally.
can you freeze a baby?
NOPE silly con, you can’t freeze a baby, just so you know.
Note to Reality Check – Conception is the beginning of life. The zygote formed by the ova and
the spermatozoa is human and is alive. It may not yet be a baby, but it
is the first stage of a baby. Babies do not suddenly appear at 8.5
months, but begin at conception. Abortionists try and deny this fact
because they do not feel that people should be responsible for their own
actions. Pregnancy is NOT an accident, but the result of very
deliberate actions. With the range of contraceptives available today
there are NO accidents. Practice birth control. Once pregnant the
choice is no longer birth control, but a choice between responsible
parenting or murder. That is reality.
Silly LibTURDSenilitychick, huffing and puffing.
A fertilized egg is not yet a fetus, you moron.
BUT Fool of the right, YOU cons always say “life begins at conception”, so…
“BEFORE I formed you in the womb I KNEW YOU. Jeremiah 1:5
You’ve been told a lie, you’ve believed that lie, and now you preach and defend that lie…. I feel so sorry for you.
well ill informed human, THAT was God taking about Jeremiah, not babies in general.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jeremiah/1-5.htm
So, you’re saying that God picks and chooses who he “knows” and who he chooses NOT to ‘know’? Jeremiah was a human, he was conceived naturally, he was born in a normal manner…. Jeremiah WAS a ‘baby in general’ like every human person conceived and born… and all those human’s who were conceived and murdered. God knows each and every one!! God gives life and liberals destroy life.
Are you saying the fertilized egg is death? How does it grow then into a fetus or a baby.
If the fertilized egg is alive and develops into a fetus and then baby then life begins at conception.
Political dogma has nothing to do with it, only being alive.
and the fact that you can freeze and egg proves that are NOT the same.
you DO KNOW that we are a SECULAR country, right silly con?
YOUR silly religious beliefs are of NO CONSEQUENCE.
Actually…. it’s STILL a human being, no matter what we decide to call it
Jeremiah 1:5 “The word of the LORD came to me, saying, BEFORE I formed you in the womb I KNEW you
Psalms 139:13-14 “You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made”
Isaiah 44:2 “BEFORE I formed you in the womb I KNEW you, and before you were born … The Lord called me from the womb, from the body of my mother he named my name.
God knew our NAMES before we were even conceived, HE created our physical being, HE KNEW US and He knows EVERY SINGLE BABY who has been slaughtered!
Conception is the beginning of life. The zygote formed by the ova and the spermatozoa is human and is alive. It may not yet be a baby, but it is the first stage of a baby. Babies do not suddenly appear at 8.5 months, but begin at conception. Abortionists try and deny this fact because they do not feel that people should be responsible for their own actions. Pregnancy is NOT an accident, but the result of very deliberate actions. With the range of contraceptives available today there are NO accidents. Practice birth control. Once pregnant the choice is no longer birth control, but a choice between responsible parenting or murder.
if it’s the same why can’t I freeze it?
y’r rght. So;; what’s your point ? It’s a very stupid comment.
Senilitychick, huffing and puffing.
Unique DNA. Every baby different. Will you some day look at your family and wonder…what if I had not aborted that child? Are you sure you’re okay with that on your conscience? I know someone who had 4 abortions, 4 little boys. And there isn’t a day she doesn’t think about them. Not one can ever be replaced.
my wife aborted two when we were young and not ready to be parents.
we said THANK GOD, many times after dealing with our baby daughter ten years later.
Did you kill her, too?
Curious as to why you said “Thank God” you aborted two when you were young and “not ready to be parents”…..confuses me how on the one hand you can say the Bible is irrelevant, and then thank its main character for making a decision to terminate two unwanted pregnancies. Does the phrase “lack of foresight” have any applicability? Fact remains that society has decided abortion is the solution for forgetting to or choosing not to use birth control.
“Thank God” happens to be an expression commonly used in the real world by agnostics.
Christians are too afraid to use the lords name in vain.
I use OMFG a lot as well
“Fact remains that society has decided abortion is the solution for forgetting to or choosing not to use birth control.”
THIS is not only VERY inaccurate, but one of the rights favorite unsubstantiated Talking Points.
women who have abortions, struggle a great deal with the decision both before and after.
Well let me ask you this….
Humans deficate, at what point does it become shit?
WOW , that prove my pint well.
it goes in as food and changes into something different days later.
a fertilized egg over many months, becomes a baby nine months later.
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the
ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the
man became a living being.” Genesis 2:7
SEE, God said life begins when you breath Gods air.
Then please explain when doing a DNA anylisis of the mothers cell tissue, I.e.: skin, hair, saliva, etc. and comparing to fetus tissue only 1/2 the DNA strand is identical to the mother, the other 1/2 is identical to father.
Does that not prove that a transformation of mothers cellular material (egg), now becomes tissue of the now fertilized egg and differs in DNA structure as compared to mothers cellular tissue and has become a seperate life form, unique to itself.in which its DNA only resembles mother by 50%. Then should it also be agreed that the fetus is now a separate and genetically different life form, as opposed to the mother and even father, and is unique to itself.
Being in an early stage of development at fetus stage, like all other life forms, it has already transformed into a separate life form independent of both mother or father. In its development, whose DNA is as unique to it as your fingerprints, or retena print, and that specific DNA dictates its unique charecteristics and individual traits. Whose development is further dependent on its mother for early stage development, but will ultimately become self sustaining at a certain point in its development, and will no longer need its mother for survival.
Further, the point were DNA transformation occurs is considered the point of conception. Given in human history it is without dispute that woman who conceive, will ultimately give birth to a human, as opposed to a fish, dog, cat cow, etc. is it not also safe to assume that the mother has conceived the life of a human, NOT a fish, dog, cat or cow! The fetus is an example of a human in its early form of development. Just as you at 18 is in early stage of adult development compared to you at 45!
What I have explained in a fairly lengthy form has its roots in 9 th grade biology! Or has the chemistry of biology changed since I was in 9th grade!!!
Well Dennis, it is accepted that the “growth” changes from a single cell organism to a complex human.
at what point it stops being a developing fetus and “becomes” a “sentient being” is the question that you conservatives seem to want to debate.
your problem is you keep interjecting religious beliefs into the conversation.
science is clear that not even with ALL the medical advances we currently have, you can keep a fetus under 23 weeks alive.
without medical intervention a fetus cannot survive under 32 weeks.
so THAT is not a baby is it.
PS. there is no question of the link to the mom and dad or that IT will develop into a human child.
Well it’s funny you say that because I am a gardening enthusiast, I like to grow fresh vegetables as opposed to GMO, chemical laced produce the markets sell!
My point being I buy seeds, the package states for example TOMATO, although the seeds do not resemble a mature tomato plant, I have had enough experience gardening, that that particular seed packet will produce tomato plants if I nurture the seed to maturity! New seedlings require plenty of nurturing, good soil, plenty of light, air, water, and feeding!
Even as the tiny seedling emerges from the soil, it hardly resembles a tomato. The seeds being much like a fertilized egg, has already been conceived, and when placed in a suitable environment, much like the womb of a mother, it will develop into tomatoes which I love so much!
As the seeds emerge from the soil, they are very venerable, to temperature changes, to much heat or cold will kill them, to wet or to dry will kill them, not enough or to much food will kill them. Much like any life form in early stages of development.
The question is however, is not a tomato seed in essence a tomato plant, or is it some other life form, oak tree, egg plant, etc. the seeds of tomatoes will always produce tomatoes, providing it is in the correct environment for further development, but ultimately in that case it will become a tomato plant!
If it were not for the parent plant producing flowers,(each tomato plant produces both male and female flowers), the female flower having the ability to produce fruit if allowed to be polenated! Will ultimately produce a tomato, which in reality is a fertilized and embedded egg, containing seeds and seed sustaining nutrition and shelter. Slightly different but not unlike a woman’s amniotic sack! Being the gardener, I act as the host for development beyond the initial food supply, (being the tomato itself), I act as the annuli all cord providing food and water! If I follow the rules of nature, in doing my job correctly I will get the tomato I so much desire.
Telling me a fetus is not human is like telling me a tomato seed is not a tomato in its most undeveloped form is equally unbelievable!
I will definitely give you serious points for that one.
I grow my own tomatoes from seeds too, by the way.
the issue would be that the seeds can live by itself the entire cycle.
now if women could pull out that egg and let it grow someplace and someone else water it, then this would be easier issue.
that pesky Constitution and that whole Freedom and Liberty gets in the way of this Religiously based issue.
you can’t wrap yourself in the Constitution and then not respect it when it doesn’t go your way.
liberals are not thrilled about the 2008 SCOTUS decision that turned America into a “gun zone”, or citizens united, both “constitutionally” motivated decisions.
Again your reasoning is missing a couple of facts, seeds are in this discussion tomato plants in suspension! Just like your frozen embryo argument. It’s been medically proven that a fertilized egg can be placed into suragate mother, if done medically correct, the fetus can grow and develop to a degree the mother gives birth, that doe not make the end of development as you well know!
Each species has its own method of replication, differing slightly from another. That is why science has broken species into different classifications I.E.: plant life, animals, fish etc! It is then subdivided into different classes by similar classifications, mammals, animals etc. it is then subdivided into further into species within that class. For example: feline, knine, hominid, and the list goes on.
This subdivision separates classes of mammals into similar groups, example: monkeys, gorillas, and humans are all a class of mammal sharing very similar DNA, however different species exist within that class, apes and hominids! It is not possible to cross breed different classes.you can’t cross breed an ape with a hominid!
None of this discussion has anything to do with the constitution which are man made rules, what I have laid out here is based on the laws of nature, which is a subcategory of universal law! Unlike the constitution which can be changed, natural law or universal law cannot be changed by man. Despite mans continued efforts to do so! I put forth the following, cloning, stem cell production, or even terraforming, all examples of mans attempts to alter natural or universal law! I will add to that mans desire to alter, arrest, or modify natural law, which generally result in disasteous results. Example of such are GMO plants, stem cell experimentation, abortion, or terraforming in numourous ways! Nature has shown us that it will right itself despite mans intervention! You simply cannot attempt to reclassify natural or universal laws to suit a particular desire of man to suit his agenda. Universal law does not allow it! If you don’t believe me, try defying gravity for an extended period, let me know how that turns out for you!
so if I interpret that correctly,
you are saying (at great length) that the laws of nature and the laws of the universe are against abortion and by doing so we are defying those “laws” and that the Universe will act to correct this?
Ahha! You finally got it!!!!
Nature always wins. In the case of this argument, nature will ultimately win through extinction or self destruction!
Either being a very good possibility at this point!
Ok,
we are conducting an experiment to see if the universe will act to correct.
so will you conservatives stop trying to mess up the test?
Gees
on a universal scale we probably need a few hundred years of this to even make a blip on the universal timeline.
This is the best excuse for abortion I have heard.
thanks Dennis.
let see how Joyce like it.
“The fetus is an example of a human in its early form of development.
Just as you at 18 is in early stage of adult compared to you at 45!”
sorry, I was able to survive outside of the womb all that time.
so aside from the fact that you can freeze a fetus AND it can’t live outside the woman’s body until it’s 32 weeks old, you want to say they are EXACTLY THE SAME as a baby
PS,
tumors also have the DNA of the host and stat as simple cell entities and they grow and change form over time.
they are not a baby either, but could qualify as one by your set of standards.
A fertilized egg is in fluid, it has not yet formed lungs. It’s in fluid and can stay that way as long as it’s kept frozen. But it is still a life, otherwise you could not thaw it and it would become a person. In answer to your question–“can you freeze a baby?” A baby inside the womb continues to have fluid in it’s lungs as it develops and up to birth. It gets it’s oxygen from it’s mothers blood while developing. The second it comes out it will take it’s first breath of air and clear it’s lungs of the fluid and fill them with air. Therefore you could never freeze them again and deny them of oxygen. That’s the two difference between the baby in the womb and the baby outside the womb. Hope that helps you. I sure do wish you had taken biology in school alot more serious — it would have helped you understand all this alot better. Even in the womb they suck their thumbs, get the hick-ups, kick, etc. They are already alive. The reason God had to give breath to man for his life is because God had just formed him outside of a womb. God Bless and Take Care
I did a year of pre med classes, I understand the biology issues.
the one issue you conservatives don’t seem to understand is that in America the Constitution says a women has Freedom and Liberty to chose abortion.
your position is based on a religious belief.
we are a secular nation, also in the constitution.
take care
No my position is not based on a religious belief, it is based on 32 years of being a nurse. But i also believe in God and that He made mankind and everything else on this earth. One day, sooner or later, let us hope way later, you will get to speak with God in person and ask Him all these questions and get the answers you need. But beware, He may be a little upset with you for how you treat and talk to people that disagree with you. People can agree to disagree without all the hatred and put down. Our Father in heaven will scold us when we go home. And that is a fact. Some of us will remain with God, some of us will be sent to Satan. You sound like an educated person, be careful to also educate your soul. It is what you’ll be judged on by GOD. You have a right to your beliefs. as well as everyone else, but be kinder when you disagree with people. It could make a big difference in how you get your message out and how you receive others thoughts. Be open to different views. Take Care
“He may be a little upset with you for how you treat and talk to people that disagree with you”
well Debra, you should also be acknowledging that I have been very normal with you.
you will also find that I change as the conservative become belligerent with me.
Yes i see that. Your kind responses to me is why i respond back to you, I did not mean that only you mis-treated people with responses or that only you would be scolded by God. I know i’ll be scolded and many others will be also. None of us are perfect. If you’re saying i was nasty towards you, that was not my intentions.
I didn’t find the commercial funny, but since the pro-choice people are crying foul about Doritos showing a baby as a baby, I’ll be getting some more Doritos for the time being. Doritos didn’t do anything wrong.
Excellent! Exactly right!
I did see the humor in it, ‘course having been PG, a lot of us have experienced sensations that could very well have been identical to this commercial….Outstanding, bring on the DORITOS!!!!
Sucks when you realize the “fetuses” are really humans doesn’t it?
Have not come to that conclusion at all. They are human babies from the day of conception.
but Bob, you can freeze a fertilized egg (conception)
and then thaw it months or years later?
can you do that to a baby?
SO I guess they are NOT the same, right Bob?
Wrong.
That has nothing to do with this. The transition from an egg and sperm to a human is conception.
well yes Bob, it proves that the early stages are NOT A BABY.
Proves nothing except in your eyes.
well, also in the eyes of the medical establishment and the Constitution, scientific community, agnostics, atheists and ME
Too many never realize it.
Amazing what alternate reality world the pro-choice people can dream up and then actually believe in it.
I saw the commercial when it was shown on the morning news show, I thought it was very ingenious as well as funny. I knew it would tick off the pro choice crowd, anything that suggests a baby in the womb is a baby is going to get some pregnant women to change their mind and keep the baby, or put the baby up for adoption.
This society needs to go back, to being offensive, to the sluts, who agree to sex, prior to marriage.
Like shining sunlight on a vampire, or a flashlight on cockroaches.
Screeching like scalded cats.
Let me ask again, if the “fetus” fully develops and is expelled from the body of the mother, what will it be? A dog? A cat? A fish?An Iguana? Of course not. When it comes out it will be a baby human being because it will not have transformed itself into any other species that inhabits the earth. Sorry sick liberals. No matter how hard you try to convince yourselves a fetus found within a human female is not a human being it is a physical impossibility. You have already reserved your places of final rest.
I thought the commercial stupid but I will now buy some Doritos just to irritiate the Planned Parenthood crowd. Heck, I don’t even like Doritos.
Obviously all you pro-choice people failed basic science classes. So here it is. When a human female is impregnated by a human male, the natural result is a human fetus. The genetic make up of that “Unwanted Superfluous Tissue” can only produce a HUMAN. Stop lying to women. At least have the decency to tell them the truth. They are murdering human beings
Yeah; in exchange for the privilege of having sexual entertainment, only. They don’t want the responsibility, of
having tom live with reality. It requires looking after the little fellow. They aren’t ready, for that.
Abstainance, until marriage is not in their mentality.
Only time a person should be able to get an abortion is if she was raped..
As an ob nurse, I have to add that severe congenital malformation or risk to the mothers life (who may already have children to care for should be considered by the obstetrician/done in hospital not clinic). But agree that mid-late abortion is horrific and needs far better screening by doctors, not to be done in clinics just because. Fair?
Abortion Clinics are nothing more than “Parts Factory’s” anyway and the majority are not set up to handle a life threatening emergency (nice choice of words).
ABORTION SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN CASES OF RAPE INCEST,AND DANGER TO THE MOTHERS LIFE
And statistically the marriage rate continues to fall : (
Leave the babies alone and retroactively abort Obama, Hitlery, and all the people in support of planned parenthood as well as their employees, I would be ok with that.
Very true, however we tend to forget, it takes two to tango! Where in many cases is the Baby’s father? The father has a Yah ordained obligation to take care of both their child and the mother! When it comes time for Yah judgment, many men are going to have to answer even more for the murder of their child, and the abandonment of its mother as well. Shalom!
Very true. However, young girls are so promiscuous now days, that many of them don’t know who conrtributed to her pregnancy. Even if she remembers the guy, she might not even know his name. He was just someone who ‘hit on her’. It is most unfortunate but too often true.
” However, young girls are so promiscuous now days, that a few of them don’t know who contributed to their pregnancies”
Geez Joyce,
so now the old religious nut is pretending to know what teenagers are doing?
they confess their sex lives to you ?
i think you have made these silly accusations before like you are BFF with a bunch of “young girls”who have had multiple pregnancies.
Without going into detail, I had a close friend who worked for a Crisis Pregnancy group.. She was shocked by the number of girls who had no idea who the daddy was.Do you live in a Monastery? You seem to be woefully ignorant about what is going on in the world.I think you are one of those lonely souls who sit in front of a bank of computers and challenge everything that people say. You invent your persona to fit the conversation. You really aught to get a life.
Gee, I have a sister who works for a PP and tells me exactly the opposite.
back in the seventies perhaps, but she says today’s youth are very careful with their sex lives.
maybe girls in Ca are better educated.
some states are negligent when it comes to sex education.
you live in one of those?
One look at the State and national political representatives of the state and the myth of anyone in the state being “better educated is quickly dispelled!
It’s still their problem for being a tramp..Her mom and dad should have taught them better and if they know their sexually active get them on birth control..And watch them take it everyday..
Young sex has been going on forever..I started having sex with my ex-wife when I was 14 so it happens..I knew chics when I was a teen that was pregnant at 13 … It’s crazy but it happens everyday.. But don’t mean they should kill a life for their mistake..If their mom don’t have them on birth control then it’s their problem..
Then that’s her parents fault and hers for being a tramp and she should have to raise the child and find out who the dad was..Someone ‘s not ready to be a parent they should be on birth control and use protection..
They’ve always been that way..Like I said up above..I was having sex with my ex-wife when I was 14 and she was 13 and her mom knew and my parents we even stayed all night together..it’s always went on I had friends that was pregnant when I was a teen at 13 I’ve seen the chain my whole life and it went on before my time..It’s not just these day’s..And reality check he always says retard stuff and trying to get smart with everyone and they all hate him on these sites and tell him off ..
You know, CHOICE !
I’d bet a third of these “single parents” , CHOOSE “padding” their paychecks over marriage.
Choice.
They have the power, men do not.
If they CHOOSE not to allow “babys’ daddy” to participate in their childs’ life, it’s ok.
They’re women, THEY have “CHOICE”, right ?
Men (fathers) have next to no rights/CHOICE in this arena.
Yeshuafriend – that was no ‘man’! It was just a penis with age. Men do NOT have random sex with moral less women/girls.
We have lost the fundamental basis of the family by allowing the communists to dictate our ‘thoughts’ and control our words as “politically correct”
The Holy Bible places ALL responsibility on the Men and makes us the caretakers of the females. All demonic attacks are the product of a male who does NOT protect his family. The FIRST sign of a “Christian” is the casting out of demons. They are the main obstacle to Salvation and cause all of the damages we sustain in our lives.
according to science, no fetus can live outside the body under the age of 23 weeks.
they can’t live without MILLIONS in medical care until at least 32 weeks.
as far as I know a “baby” can live just fine once out of the woman, just fine.
so I guess there is a BIG difference, according to science.
The RULE of LAW (Constitution)
gives a women FREEDOM and LIBERTY from YOU religious enthusiasts.
Reality Check, What has that remark got to do with what I posted. I was not challenging an opinion, I was stating a fact about a fetus being a human. Next time read the post. Those women, will have to answer for their callus, selfish actions. When we stand before the judgment seat, we will all be called to give an accounting. This communication is truly the last one I will post to you. If you see any more of my posts, please do us both a favor and don’t comment.
well the truth of the situation Joyce, is that you are religious views about the abortion issue in my secular country.
I am the antidote to your internet poison.
“This communication is truly the last one I will post to you.”
Oh Joyce, what other liberal do you know?
now you are going to tell me that you have lots of liberal friends, just like you have lots of Muslim friends (while posting HATE toward Muslims).
What’s sick their putting aborted baby fetus in PepsiCo products kraft and Nestle..And people are still drinking the soda and so on..GROSS
Good point. Since the anti-life crowd considers human fetuses to be “unwanted, superfluous tissue”, then they and all their allies are, by their own definition “unwanted, superfluous, unwanted tissue”. Hey, anti-life nuts: What if FDR’s mother aborted him? How about Hill and Billary Clinton-what about them?? Would you prefer to see those “unwanted, superfluous masses of tissue”, as you call them, aborted????
IT IS A CHILD NOT A CHOICE????
Now, now y’all. Casting aspersions is not going to change your minds one way or the other anyway. Personally, I believe a fertilized egg is the beginning of person. I am the youngest of 11 children and if my mother had decided she already had too many kids, I wouldn’t be here at my laptop writing this. However, I also believe that, in a free Country we are entitled to believe however we wish, no matter how misguided we think the other person’s thinking is. So there, I have voiced my opinion and I know there will be those who disagree. If you respond, please do so in a civil way.
just look at a 12 week old fetus???THEN YOU TELL ME?????
I turned the corporate media OFF many years ago. It is all lies and brain washing but it is on all of the major TV networks and radio stations. The goal is public opinion creation. If you want the truth, check the Caravan to Midnight web site.
Feminists should practice what they preach and consider, ALL, of their Unviable-Tissue Mass’ – Unviable.
Awww hell No more doritos for me its over
Anything that advocates for the Lives of INNOCENT, UNBORN, HUMAN BABIES enrages the FEMINAZI. Their religion is the slaughtering of INNOCENT, UNBORN, HUMAN BABIES. Their Sacrament is the spilled blood on the Innocent, Unborn, Human Baby. The feminazi is a sycophant, kill happy, blood thirst vile puke. Here you go, you broom riding hags. The HUMAN BABY is A HUMAN BABY AT CONCEPTION. Don’t like it, don’t do the deed.
actually fool of the right, it’s ABOUT a women’s CHOICE.
see low info human, THEY have FREEDOM and LIBERTY to CHOSE what they want to do and have FREEDOM from YOUR (silly) Religion.
You are making noise, but that is all you are doing. You are a TROLL, have been a TROLL and will always be a far, left wing, radical extremist, MINDLESS, SLOBBERING TROLL.
Your posts read: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Noise noise, noise, noise
Irrefutable FACTS always make cons BABBLE
More noise! Blah!, Blah, Blah!
More intellectual dishonesty. More leftist, MINDLESS, SLOBBERING. You silly TROLL
AND THEN you prove it again.
PS.
“Gallup Poll: 55% of Americans Want All or Most Abortions Made Illegal”
and if you poll the young people it’s 80%
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/05/29/gallup-poll-54-of-americans-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/
intellectual dishonesty is YOU ignoring my links of evidence claiming everyone is lying except the news sources you deem correct.
you can add hypocrite to your list of character flaws.
Stupid leftist twit! “poll the young people it’s 80%”….these young people??…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPob5-_EAmc
Blah, blah, blah, blah. All you produce is noise! Clang, clang, clang, blah, blah blah.
You are nothing but a noisy, clanging TROLL. And now add LIAR to it as well.
the liberal post a link to back up his statements.
the conservative Flaps it’s Gums.
the difference between the 2 groups.
FACTS versus HOT AIR.
More of the same: blah, blah, blah. clang, clang, clang. You have nothing to offer. More Troll noise
Do you know that in China they celebrate a childs first birthday three
months after it is born? They consider it as a person from the time of
conception.
they also abort all children after the first child, so…..
you want to emulate China?
Feminists… pointless antics of humanizing puppies and dehumanizing human fetuses
These are the same women who don’t speak a peep about the thousands and thousands of women being raped by ‘moderate’ Muslim “immigrants” in Europe.
Hypocrites, every bra burning, angry, frumpish one of them!
I am a female and I am not at all offended by what you said.
The culture of death is nothing new. The abortion industry has simply found a way to profit from it.
Prior to the development of “medical” abortion, a pregnant woman who didn’t want to be pregnant could visit the local herbalist and buy a concoction that would induce labor. It was quite effective.
Women who couldn’t afford anything could “go visit relatives” and then leave the child with someone else … or kill it. Infanticide has a long and storied history. Sacrificing one’s children to appease the gods is nearly as old as the concept of ‘gods’.
Nothing new under the sun, people. It’s just that these days, the anti-life crowd has managed to convince a large segment of the populace that babies aren’t babies. And love is hate. And war is peace. And up is down.
And logic is dead.
You have to be really ignorant or really vicious to think or say that a human “fetus” is not a human being. It is, I suppose, a sign of the “End Times” that this sort of thing is so prevalent in our society. It is just sick. I have other words to describe it, and I have other feelings that cannot be expressed in public. Those feelings and words must be suppressed for the sake of propriety. BUT, if push ever comes to shove. I know how to shove REALLY HARD!
Supporters of abortion complain that the commercial “humanizes” the fetus. Basic biology, kids. I can prove that they are not canine, feline, bovine, ovine, rodents, amphibian, or reptile. That leaves ‘human’! When a human male impregnates a human female the resulting fetus is human. Is that too complicated for you, Binky?
Conception is the beginning of life. The zygote formed by the ova and
the spermatozoa is human and is alive. It may not yet be a baby, but it
is the first stage of a baby. Babies do not suddenly appear at 8.5
months, but begin at conception. Abortionists try and deny this fact
because they do not feel that people should be responsible for their own
actions. Pregnancy is NOT an accident, but the result of very
deliberate actions. With the range of contraceptives available today
there are NO accidents. Practice birth control. Once pregnant the
choice is no longer birth control, but a choice between responsible
parenting or murder. That is reality.
The outrage expressed by the author Shawn concerning what is and when dose human life begin seem not to be shared by this audience nor the public at large. He would have us all to believe that an outraged viewing audience of the Super Bowl game turned off their TV’s in protest. If so, they missed a great game with many breath taking plays. No, the reality and opinions on the subject of abortions is rapidly changing in favor of prolife. The very science Shawn claims to support abortions is conclusively proving the reality that no matter the developmental stage of the fetus it is still ultimately human in its completion. When you consider the degenerate people who have stood in favor of abortions in the past and their appalling humanistic records, it is no wonder that our culture is finally waking up to what is the reality and sanctity of the yet unborn.
Did you know that in China they celebrate a childs first birthday three
months after it is born? They consider it as a person from the time of
conception.
Liz, Birthday dates aside, do you know that in China there are a number of other oddities concerning their children and their populace in general. First is that it is not only the children who have no rights but the children’s parents as well. Being recognized in China only identifies you to the government and what if any governmental need you will meet.
Abandoned children are prevalent especially if they are female and heaven help you if you are physically impaired. I know this because our own children are actively involved in China missions and have experienced this first hand. They have adopted three of these seriously handicapped children. So, Liz, if you want to hold up to us a culture or people for their passionate and expressed humanitarian attitudes and actions, you will have to do better then the Chinese culture for us to emulate.
That makes the JOTSC “M
naral would love people to believe abortion only destroys “tape worms”. That has to be the logic for all of that movement, for almost nine moths after she drops her pants.
Facts are facts, tough to argue with.
Explain to me why, in the year 2016, we still don’t know what causes, or how to prevent pregnancies! Are you leftist women that stupid? And Ohillary wants to be our first WOMBan president?
I think the baby killers are mostly upset that the commercial depicted a fetus/baby/lump of tissue having awareness… Think of the ramifications of that awareness vis-a-vis what they do when they perform an abortion. It is well established that babies in the womb have an awareness, responding to music and their Mothers voice…
Might they not then respond to being eviserated…?
Must be difficult to remain willfully ignorant in order to pursue your own selfish goals…
I have boycotted Frito-Lay products for years now.Several years ago Frito-Lay printed [ susan g. komen ] on their snack food bags,and the whole world knows komen donates to planned-parenthood.
What kind of flaky idiots are you when a.child is created at conception, and a person is murdered when you abort. There should be exceptions like the 11 year old impregnated by mom’s boyfriend! Take respnsibility for your bodies or keep your legs shut!
Satan and his feminist army can’t stand the light, it exposes to much of their covert truth. Shalom!
The fetus is not going to become a seagull, an elephant or a rock. It will become a human being. Your heart will not become a separate human being, nor will your liver or your great toe. It’s your choice whether to end it’s life or not. Don’t salve your conscience by saying it’s not a human until after a certain number of days or weeks. Do it or don’t do it. It’s up to you. Why does mankind single out abortion and same sex relationships as the only unforgivable sins. There is a long list of “don’t’s” in Leviticus. Why is only one singled out. Where does it say that Leviticus 20:13 is the only unforgivable sin. Nowhere..
Oh, those Dorito’s people, how dare they even HINT that a fetus is an actural HUMAN BEING!!!!! I actually saw the ad and really liked it. It was an adorable ad. I guess the abortion crowd doesn’t have much of a sense of humor. Unless it is involved in selling parts of aborted babies,
Fetuses ARE human beings. Unless the pro-choice groups believe that a fetus is a bowling ball that magically grows inside a woman’s body & then magically turns into a baby just before birth.
” then magically turns into a baby just before birth.”
IT “evolves” over the nine months.
If it was a “baby” it could live outside the womb, which is not possible without serious medical attention until after 32 weeks.
Oh, and God agrees with me.
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the
man became a living being.” Genesis 2:7
SEE, no “life” until it breaths Gods Air.
Exactly! Key word “evolves” as opposed to metamorphosis!
Metamorphosis, change in form!
Evolves, develops being of the same form.
a tumor changes form too.
so this “baby” is not the only growth going through a serious of changes.
that is not going to cut it as valid reasoning
One thing you are missing in your statement…. If you understand what cancer is, you also know that genetic changes within them, causes rapid cell growth, with abnormal DNA structure! To compare cancer to a fetus is way off base!
Your body is constantly replacing cells as a part of regeneration, for reasons not completely known, cell growth becomes abnormal! Possibly due to exposure to carcinogens, which it is believed causes and alteration of the DNA strand on the cellular level. This change causes abnormal cells to develop, through replication these cells devide creating new cells, also defective. Cancer is a defect in cellular growth, unlike a fetus which is the growth of a seperate and unique life form.
Cancer is the growth of abnormal cells, just like gangrene is the death of normal cells in an abnormal fashion, generally due to un attended infection!
Please make a better comparison than that, as you are way off base. One fact you miss in this discussion is that even DNA of cancer cells match that of the person from which they came, unlike fetus cells which are only a 50% match.
“To compare cancer to a fetus is way off base!”
I was thinking benign tumor.
FYI, there is absolutely no mention of the word “Fetus” or “Abortion” mentioned in the constitution, PERIOD!
Don’t refer to our constitution as the basis of your argument, because it’s simply not there!
It comes from the SCOTUS, a bunch of 9 justices appointed by the president and congress to service a life appointment.
In recent years the SCOTUS has way overstepped its constitutional limits by imposing LAW, which by the way is outside their constitutional authority. I give you this as the most recent example: by a 5 – 4 ruling the SCOTUS just made law authorizing same sex marriage, by way of redefining the word Marriage. Just like in the 60’s regarding Rowe vs Wade, again attempting to redefine the point at which life starts! Because 9 libral judges say so does not alter scientific fact
“I give you this as the most recent example: by a 5 – 4 ruling the “SCOTUS just made law authorizing same sex marriage,”
ACTUALLY low info debater,
the SCOTUS merely ruled that states could NOT pass paws banning gay marriage because they were unconstitutional.
“a landmark United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
In November 2014, following a lengthy series of appeals court rulings from the Fourth, Seventh, Ninth, and Tenth Circuits that state-level bans on same-sex marriage were unconstitutional, the Sixth Circuit ruled that it was bound by Baker v. Nelson and found them constitutional, creating a split between circuits and leading to an almost inevitable Supreme Court review.
Decided on June 26, 2015, Obergefell overturned Baker
and requires all states to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and to recognize same-sex marriages validly performed in other jurisdictions.[4] This legalized same-sex marriage
throughout the United States, and its possessions and territories.
The Court examined the nature of fundamental rights guaranteed to all by the Constitution, the harm done to individuals by delaying the
implementation of such rights while the democratic process plays out, and the evolving understanding of discrimination and inequality that has developed greatly since Baker.”
The one thing you neglect to consider in your diatribe is that the federal government does Not have the authority, by way of SCOTUS, presidential edict, or Congressional ruling, to over rule the constitution of an individual state!
Our founders established the constitution to protect states rights, and to limit the size and power of the government.
The constitution stipulates the limits of authority under the Federal Governments control, and forcing states to aquess to the rulings of SCOTUS by imposing law is simply and totally unconstitutional.
We have a US Government that today has become excessively overreaching, who’s authority extends into every aspect of personal life, as evidenced by the polerazation characterized in the present presidential campagain. On the democratic side we have a far left leaning candidate who wants to further expand the power of government, believing that government can solve any domestic issue if only it had greater and more far reaching powers! That would be Bernie Sanders.
On the republican side we have a far right leaning candidate who wishes to shrink the size of government down to the scale intended by our founders, restore states rights, and return power to control the size of government back to the hands of the people. And allowing the people to control the policies and the direction of this country! That Would be Ted Cruz.
Although I do not support eithe candidate as presidential material, I can tell you this, the left leaning agenda with their extraordinarily libral views has opens the door to the very debate we are having today. The continued March to the left can only lead further away from the core principals on which this country was found, and will ultimately lead to socialism and the destruction of all that was good about America. We will become a burnt out cinder of the bright and shining light America has been known for since its inception.
The debate over FETUSES is only one example of the devide that exists in this country, if it continues it will marke the demise of this great country!
Effectively, SCOTUS made law (not allowed by the Constitution’s “separation of powers…..” But there seems to be a lot of that going on these days……)
It should be noted that Sodom and Gomorrah was not destroyed so much because the gay lifestyle was dominant there. It was because (so I was told by people smarter and more informed than I) they legalized gay marriage.
In the Book of Enoch, around Ch 60, Noah set out to find Enoch “because the Earth had tilted”** and he was afraid that destruction was coming. When he found Enoch he expressed his fears and asked why it would happen if it was going to happen. He was told a long list of the “sins” of the people, the one I remember mostly was: “The stroke of the child in the womb, that it diminisheth!” In other words, abortion.
Makes me wonder what’s in store for us mere mortals who inhabit this country now……
**I was told by a Jewish Rabbi that at one time Earth had no tilt. At that time the climate was comfortable from pole to pole, year round. It would also explain why scientists and others have found Mammoths and other animals frozen in the Arctic ice with fresh buttercups in their mouths. They were flash frozen when the tilt occurred.
(Kinda like those climate scientists whose ship got frozen in 15 feet of ice off the coast of Antarctica when a cold wind came up suddenly a few years ago. They had to abandon the ship and get back to land by helicopter, the ice breakers couldn’t free the ship. What makes me giggle is that they were investigating “man made global warming!” LOL)
Sodom and Gomorrah are fables.
Those “fables” have been found and their remains are there for all who are interested to see. There were a few other unnamed villages there that were also destroyed.
“*I was told by a Jewish Rabbi that at one time Earth had no tilt”
well it did, but that is kind of irrelevant to Climate Change.
not much of a critical thinker I see.
so what evidence makes you think NASA and 99% of the worlds climate scientists are lying to the global population?
why are conservative German Russian, Chinese government’s all on board climate change?
this is what is going to sink the GOP in this election.
Climate Change is NOT debatable in the real world.
Just in the right Wing wacky World.
Without a tilt to the axis of Earth we wouldn’t have seasons. Dig?
And seasons happen even in the woo-woo world of the leftists.
I am aware of what the tilt does for the earth.
IF that were to change, we would be fucked way worse than climate change.
still looking for the evidence you stake your decedents life’s on?
“Because 9 libral judges say so does not alter scientific fact”
well silly con, science does not agree with YOU at all, you might look for a better Allie in this fight.
22 week old fetus is not a baby and no hospital in the country will try and save one that young.
This debate has nothing to do with earthly law, and the rules of man! That is the one tenant you liberals simply cannot not seem to grasp! This has everything to do with natural law, and the laws of the universe! Rules which cannot be changed or deviated from no matter how insistent man is. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs either, or mans science and technology!
All what we are discussing today is based in the laws of nature and the universe, we as humans with our scientific facts are inconsequential in the whole scheme of things. We as humans have little knowledge of universal law, but in our arrogance and superiority believe that we have the answer to everything, this in fact cannot be further from the truth!
In our arrogance we pretend to ascribe rules that dictate when independent life begins and ends, when in reality it is only an excuse for our own frailty and ignorance. There is only one entity who is all knowing and understanding, and understands how everything we know and do not yet know works! I refer to that entity as God, I place my faith in his hands as the all knowing creator of everything we can see and cannot see, in everything we understand and do not understand. I have no desire to elevate myself to his level with claims from science and technology as our knowledge is but one single grain of sand on a planet of sand!
Is there any valid reason why they should be allowed to destroy the life of the fetus if there is no problem with it?
I’ve heard of doctors that allow children to die after they were born at 9 months. Just because they were not “wanted” by the mother.
“Is there any valid reason why they should be allowed to destroy the life of the fetus if there is no problem with it?”
FREEDOM AND LIBERTY
I think you conservatives like the CONSTITUTION, no?
if a fetus was viable, there would not be such a problem.
but as it is, they NEED 8 months in the womb to LIVE.
otherwise they die.
so not really a “human”
more like a parasite or a tumor.
Are you trying to tell me that the only reason women have abortions is that the life in her womb is “not viable?” That it is “more like a parasite or a tumor?”
Or is it because it is merely “not convenient.”
Yes, I do like the Constitution. I also like the Declaration of Independence, especially where it talks about the God given right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!”
Abortion takes that option away from the unborn.
“re you trying to tell me that the only reason women have abortions is that the life in her womb is “not viable?”
NO.
I am telling YOU it is a WOMEN’S CHOICE and YOU should have NOTHING to say about IT.
the fetus does not have rights since it DEPENDS on the women for LIFE.
And, where would you be if your mommy had exercised her “choice?”
Reality check that!
THAT would have been her choice and GODS plan.
Would you try to use that logic with the cops if you killed someone? I don’t think it would fly.
What kind of a world would this be if everybody did that?
“Yep, yep, yep, I killed’im! It was my choice and God’s plan!”
Give me a break!”
The way I see it is that “God’s plan” gives us choices to see how we handle the problems and opportunities of life. And we will be judged by our “solutions,” or how we handle the situations of life or our interactions with our fellow man, living or not yet born.
BUT George, once they are OUT of the womb, they HAVE rights, so your example is kind of SILLY.
want to try again?
Yes, they have rights. But they have to be cared for, fed, changed, etc. until they are old and knowledgeable enough to care for themselves.
And you seem to be telling me that until the baby gets that first breath of air they have NO RIGHTS?
My, what a strange world you have created for yourself. Of course, you had Roe VS Wade help you to that conclusion.
BTW, I understand there was a change of mind of the party in question later.
“The way I see it is that “God’s plan” gives us choices to see how we
handle the problems and opportunities of life. And we will be judged by
our “solutions,” or how we handle the situations of life or our
interactions with our fellow man, living or not yet born”
SO let the women get their judgment when they die and GET OFF IT.
why do you Christians feel the need to BUTT INTO other peoples lives?
WHO made YOU Christians God and the “decider” of what is and is not a person?
this is NOT a scientific thing.
IF science said the fetus is a person with a soul, liberals would probably rethink the issue as would many women.
BUT they haven’t.
And, what part of science would you expect to learn these things from? Psychology, the study of the psyche? I studied psychology in collage and they more or less claim we don’t have a soul or psyche.
Yes, and a teacher, when giving a multiple choice test is giving us choices. But, usually only one of the choices is the “right” choice!
If you get them all wrong or most of them wrong, you flunk!
At least that is the way it was when I went to school.
But, that’s “real life,” you might not know about that.
Now that is a valid point.
I guess that is why it is a tough decision for women.
Who said I was a Christian. I didn’t! I could be just a nosy busybody! You don’t really know, do you. You just assume!
And, I don’t just “BUTT INTO” other people’s lives. I make comments on what is posted, just like you do. My comments are tempered by the knowledge and experience — with a bit of logic thrown in here and there (Yeah, I took a lot of Philosophy courses in collage) that I gathered over many years on this planet.
I think I make you mad because I shine the light on your inconsistencies. My BAD!
It could be a woman’s “choice” to kill her husband. Or anybody else she gets mad at.
Does she have the”RIGHT” to do that?
Hmmmmmm……?
Seems kinda silly to say she has the “right” to kill a defenseless baby but not an adult capable of self defense.
Have you gone in to your therapist for a REALITY CHECK lately?
“ust like in the 60’s regarding Rowe vs Wade, again attempting to redefine the point at which life starts!”
Oh another miss characterization of reality.
is that what our debate has come to?
SCOTUS merely said that it was a women’s constitutional RIGHT to do what they want.
You are considered dead if your heart stops beating.
The first thing that develops in a fetus is the heart, and it starts beating.
Doesn’t the beating heart mean it is alive, and therefor shouldn’t it have RIGHTS?
another valid point.
what month/week is that?
NO hospital will attempt to save a fetus under 23 weeks old, so I am guessing it has happened by then.
On the contrary, the unborn baby has a heartbeat long before birth. You can’t have a heartbeat if you’re not alive. & it IS a baby before birth, it’s just an unborn one that GROWS in the womb. Not “evolves”, grows. Oh, & man wrote the Bible, not God. & since everything in the Bible was written 2,000 years ago before they even knew what science was, I’ll go by what the 21st century scientists say about the matter.
The first thing that forms in a fetus is the heart. I assume the heart starts beating shortly after forming. The heart is followed by the lungs and tongue.
Maybe the creation of man by God is a little different than the growth of the fetus in the womb of the mother?
Hmmmm……?
The mother certainly doesn’t need to gather up dust from the ground nor breath into the new human’s nostrils in order to have a “living being.”
The mother certainly doesn’t need to gather up dust from the ground nor
breath into the new human’s nostrils in order to have a “living being.”.
NO,
but a doctor does give it a helping hand.
If a doctor is available.
I was born on a farm some distance away from the nearest doctor or hospital during the depression era. That was before telephones and electricity came to rural areas. I mean, it was way out in the boonies!
My granny may have done the job.
WAH. Wash the sand off of the infected area.
Do you know that in China they celebrate a childs first birthday three months after it is born? They consider it as a person from the time of conception.
and the abort every child after the first one.
So want to follow China?
I heard a while back that they now allow more than one.
The anti-life crowd never truly answers the question, “If the fetus is not human, what is it?” To call an individual human fetus to be non-human goes against every sense of logic and decency. Their description of “choice” is whatever THEY want it to be. If you’re FOR abortion, euthanasia, or assisted suicide, they call it choice. If you’re AGAINST any of these, they call it non-choice. That’s the way they want pro-life decisions to be considered by the worldwide U.N. “Progressive” gov’t. they’re trying to impose on us.
can it read and write or breath and live by itself?
No.
so not yet a human.
a seed will become a fruit tree, but you have to wait for the transformation.
you wouldn’t call that seed an apple would you?
but it becomes one, so…..
YOU are trying to impose YOUR religious beliefs ON ME.
Where’s your sense of humor Shawn? Oops, I forgot. Democrats don’t have one.
Shawn is a Democrat?
are you from a different universe?
So, basically a woman has the right of choice but men do not? Sounds a little strange to me? I do not see any gender discrimination in the Constitution concerning who has rights and who does not. But this whole issue is dependent on when the medical profession determines when life begins and they do not all agree. For Christians, they are all wrong. But apparently Christians also are to have no voice in the Constitution. Yet the Constitution says that no one can legislate against religion. Abortion seems to be a clear cut violation of he Constitution.
Logic, deductive reason and common sense dictates that we all, at one point, were fetuses and from that very instant of fertilization of the female egg by a male sperm, we possessed all, yes all, of the necessary “ingredients” to become what we are today. All that was needed at conception was continued care, warmth, food, oxygen and time—all supplied by the female’s body—the very same “ingredients” that are provided after birth. I am 84 years young and I can recall abortion was frowned upon after the first trimester. That over time has now been extended until now even partial births can be aborted—and I hear reports of “after-birth” abortions (murders?) being performed. That has opened the “time element” in “Pandora’s Box”. Where will it end? When little Billy borrows the family car without permission? When little Mary starts dating or marries someone out of her race or religion?—or when a child abandons the family political following? What is needed is a “pill” for both sexes that precludes fertilization, along with “education”, as to the problems associated with unwanted births, over-population, limits as to this planet’s ability to support its inhabitents, etc—all starting with the well-recognized truism that women cannot “buy” love with sex
Good,strong,to the point explanation Joyce White. Cudoes to you for not wavering! How far have we as societies or nations come since the practice of infanticide of babies on raised alters? Usually this practice of killing babies was to appease some type of god or goddess. Today, not so much, unless the ‘mother’ typifies a goddess. That is were Planned Parenthood steps in
and fills the nitch. Most of us were unaware that this demi-god
organization was selling infant parts. Much less turning the baby around to get the best organs, undamaged (which cost the most).
Don’t think the babies do not feel the pain when they’re torn apart and chopped to pieces inutero as it has been clearly documented.
Cudoes to you, Joyce White, stay strong! What changed the alter sacrifice of babies to appease the gods of different people groups in the world of ancient times – we have Planned Parenthood stepping in to fill the gap in these modern of times.
Murder is murder. Period.
It is nothing new to be reminded that those who support an evil thing like murder are offended by the truth. Their conscience is so seared and non functional because they love the darkness and automatically reject any true reflection of the evil they do or advocate. As with Planned Parenthood, they are in it for the money. ($456 Million in tax payer funds annually, courtesy of Obamanation and his corrupt cartel) Much of these funds are channeled back into Demonic-Rat election campaigns as “gifts” as long as the candidate supports Planned Parenthood. As a veteran law enforcement officer, in law enforcement we call this a “slush fund”. This is exactly why most Demonic-Rats vehemently support this vile and corrupt business.
In the first place fetus’s do react to certain stimuli and they react differently.That being said what are they worrying about except that it might get to the conscience of a woman contemplating an abortion?
That commercial was my favorite! Funny as hell. Give the Femi Nazis 20% off Massengil and maybe someone will want to have sex with them and they will relax……..SOB!!!
Get over it and get a life (nice choice of words) it was a Fricking Commercial. The Majority of Superbowl Viewers (99%) either weren’t watching the Commercial or thought it was funny (I thought it was dumb, put me in the 1%) So get over your Butt Hurt and move on. There’s more important things to get worked up about.
Humanity, in the view of anti-woman Americans, is all about the magic that somehow inheres in seminal fluid. Love and learning, and a mother’s patience in carrying pregnancies to term, are utterly irrelevant.
Penile supremacism! What a bunch of dinks these right-wingers really are!
If these silly little girls don’t wish motherhood on themselves, why not just go get sterilized and be done with it? If the “fetus” isn’t a human in the womb, what is it? What transmogrification occurs when it slides down that wonder of a slide and comes out and breathes? I thought most of these foolish little girls were atheistic. But, if you wish to follow their logic, some miracle happens at birth, and a lump of protoplasm becomes a human being. These very immature fools don’t understand just how idiotic they appear to those of us with intellect.
Abortion is murder, when it is the result of a decision made by the pregnant woman, and a tragedy when it isn’t. Those who participate in this heinous act are accessories to the crime, and should be punished as such. And as for you, government employees who advocate for this act, you too are conspirators to commit murder.
May God have mercy upon all of us sinners.
I really enjoyed the commercial, I thought it was cute. Besides, if it pisses off the people at Planned Parenthood, it has to be REALLY REALLY good.
Nothing like a few facts to highlight the left wing BS.
Oh my goodness. But these are the people that use abortion as birth control and they have most certainly drunk Planned Parenthood’s kool-aid.
An unborn fetus is more of a human being than any Democrat I know of.