We’ve got a serious bone to pick with our middle and high school social studies teachers. We can’t remember exactly how many times they went over the founding of this country, the writing of the Constitution, and the development of the Bill of Rights, but suffice to say, it came up plenty of times. And on exactly ZERO of those occasions did our teachers (or our books) tell us about some of the weird and wonderful rights enshrined in that hallowed document by our wise forefathers. Never mind how shocked we were a couple of years ago when the Supreme Court revealed that GAY MARRIAGE was a constitutional right, and consider how gobsmacked we were this week to learn that illegal immigrants have a constitutional right to an ABORTION!
Oh, ye Founders…you saw far, didn’t you? You saw far.
Well? What other conclusion can we come to? A D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that the federal government MUST allow an illegal immigrant minor currently in custody to get an abortion, so we can only assume that we missed some pretty significant chunks of the Constitution in our high school studies. (Obama-appointed) Judge Tanya Chutkan ruled that the government was illegally infringing on a woman’s right to an abortion by preventing the young illegal immigrant (Jane Doe) from having her baby whacked in a nearby clinic; the court ordered the government to either personally escort the young woman to the clinic or have her transported by an appointed guardian.
On Wednesday morning, to the cheers of the ACLU and a legion of rabid feminists, the young woman did indeed get her, um, routine female healthcare procedure.
In the lead-up to this decision, we saw some truly striking commentary from liberal feminists. Take actress Alyssa Milano, who had this to say about the case: “Preventing an immigrant woman from getting an abortion is a war on women, immigrants, and children.”
Yes, preventing a woman from getting an abortion is now a WAR ON CHILDREN! You can’t make this stuff up.
In a statement, Kristan Hawkins of Students for Life of America said the ruling was nothing less than tragic.
“A tragedy took place today as the full bench of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals put the partisan interests of abortion over a teenager’s true needs for help,” said Hawkins. “The United States should not become an abortion destination spot for the world. Shame on Planned Parenthood and the ACLU for using this teenager to try and create Roe v. Wade 2.0 in the courts.”
Alas, the courts have already informed us that a woman’s right to end her pregnancy is enshrined in the Constitution, so how can we be surprised that said parchment also enshrines that right for illegal immigrants?
What a remarkable document…
There is no comment that can fully embrace the stupidity of this action by OUR justice system.
Only that we can’t call it a “Justice” system
It is injustice. Instead of *EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW* it is ~~UNEQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAWLESSNESS~~. A baby aborted does not get a trial by an impartial jury of its peers (fellow Americans).
You made some very good points. Being a man, I really don’t know all that much about abortion other than to think it’s wrong in most cases. Personally I feel the issue should be put to the vote nationwide with women who are living in this country legally making that decision.
RC that should be a nationwide referendum allowing ONLY bona fide US Citizens to cast votes and men as well as women voting. Abortion is immoral in all cases where the presence of a fetus does not endanger the Mother’s life.
Speaking of stupid allysa milano said its a war on children if we dont let illegal children kill unborn children? Dont know bout you but that comment makes me mildly nauseous….thanks crooked comey
Yeah and that’s the stupid little bitch always up there defending the rights of animals can you imagine that!?
yes I can- the hypocrisy and ignorance of the left- defend the animals, let the unborn human be murdered. Rail against the death penalty for murderers and allow a doctor to suck a fetus out of a uterus and kill it. Sorry for the visual but even that does not bother the left. Who are the animals again? Not sure if you are a male or female but could you imagine the small talk on a date with her? Ugh, id stick a gun in my mouth !!
People like her or no different than the Nazis and the way they did the Jews no difference whatsoever.
Nope, her mouth!
Matlonc, no animal has ever tried to ‘stab’ me in the back. I’ll defend an animal over a human every day of the week. If a woman wants/needs an abortion it’s her body and she and her doctor, not you or some government/religious entity should ever be allowed to decide what someone decides to do with their body. I volunteer my time to an animal rescue group. (The Motley Zoo) in Redmond, Washington. I also occasionally donate to Mercy Ships or a needy child charity. The hypocrisy of the right is staggering. There are states that have barred the death penalty because it has been proven that innocent people have been sentenced to death or ultimately executed. – https://www.google.com/search?ei=FSQmWoHvG4LgjwSwhITwAQ&q=Innocent+people+sentenced+to+death+or+executed&oq=Innocent+people+sentenced+to+death+or+executed&gs_l=psy-ab.3…271599.291266.0.292116.80.53.1.4.5.0.204.5726.17j30j1.49.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..31.19.2288.6..0j46j0i22i30k1j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i131i67k1j0i46k1j0i10k1j0i20i264k1.198.PTmjZdQNIMo Maybe you SHOULD stick a gun in your mouth and to finish that thought; pull the trigger. PS, it is much more expensive to carry out the death penalty.
MAYBE you should read my comments again before being a liberal jackass- as if there is another kind. NO WHERE in my comments did I say a woman does not have choice did I? Did I say the government should decide for a woman? I don’t agree with the choice since they are the ones that have to live with killing “their body” that is between them and GOD- which I am sure you don’t believe in- but they may choose whatever path they wish. YOU PEOPLE are always looking for a way to start an argument without comprehending comments. Reading is a skill, maybe you should learn to master it before you spout off with your filthy liberal mouth. Not sure where the animal shelter fits in I didn’t condone killing of animals. I have 2 dogs I love and care for by the way and have an affinity for all of Gods creatures be it loving innocent animals or stupid humans. It would be ironic if you are a supporter of the second amendment with all your other left leanings. How you can compare killing a guilty person (no I don’t want to see innocent people put to death but that is a very very very small percentage of those on death row) to ending a human life because its the easy solution is mind blowing. I think I actually like your moxie hard driver be it ridiculous or not. By the way- have a great night big “shooter” !!!! P.S. no guns here kid, live in a nice crime free zone where people love each other and work for a living with no need for violence.
Maltonc, writing is also a skill and you sure have a weird way of typing things. Explain what this means, if it doesn’t mean you’re anti-abortion. “the hypocrisy and ignorance of the left- defend the animals, let the unborn human be murdered. Rail against the death penalty for murderers and allow a doctor to suck a fetus out of a uterus and kill it.” Where are you that there is no violence? Are you in a prison somewhere? The closest families are often times touched by murder or lesser violence. FBI stats show that 84% of White murder victims were murdered by other White people, ie: family, neighbors and in rare cases, strangers. There isn’t a single place in America that’s not touched by violence of one type or another. A single innocent person being executed is one too many. Life in a cage is a better punishment, IMO, and much cheaper than a death penalty case. Many states have barred the death penalty due to the fact that innocent people have either been sentenced to death or actually executed. – you should learn how to do some basic research. – https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row – https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty
Hard Driver you are a typical Democrat leftist. You nitpick over petty issues. You love to argue. That is an earmark of atheists. I respect your choice to reject the idea that a God exists. Have a good day.
marshmil1789, the execution of an innocent person is “nitpicking”? I respect that YOU have the right to believe whatever YOU want to believe but I also have the right to tell you you’re delusional for believing in something that can’t be proved or disproved. You should be worried about what your imaginary God is going to do to you when you leave this mortal coil. Have you read the direct quotes out of your BUYBull that I posted Chapter and Verse that proves you BuyBull is a book of death and destruction? You support a terroristic religion/belief and that is your right. Your God doesn’t exist. S u c k on that.
Mental masturbation is not something I enjoy. Obviously you “get off” on it. Have fun. You come across as one of academia.
marshmil1789, you probably have to rely on masturbation to satisfy your urges because no woman in her right mind would have anything to do with you. Fwap,fwap,fwap YOU come across as a mindless control freak.
I’ve no time to waste with childish hate-filled individuals who support the Left.
marshmil1789, yet, you keep wasting time replying to my comments. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love exposing the s t u p I d I t y of people like you. DERP!
Thanks for your post Matlonc. I especially like your “crime free” comment. “Gun free zones” are fine in crime free zones. But in criminal infested locales I support all qualified bona fide US citizens being legally licensed to “carry” if they so choose. The scum of society perpetrates criminal activity, not law abiding citizens.
She is an animal! I would say a bitch dog, bur bitch dogs have a use in this world and Alyssa or what ever her name is doesn’t. She is useless to society and a waste of oxygen, food and water.
Milano is/was/always will be a Mimoron who thinks we value her ridiculous opinions.
RufusVonDufus, your screen name fits you to a T. Milano’s opinion is as valid as yours or anybody else. If you don’t like it you can crawl back under your rock.
DPMP this is not a part of my justice system. It comes from everything anti-American. Some people have reverted to the worship of Baal, the “god” to which babies were sacrificed around 2600 years ago. The idea being, “Sacrifice the baby–getting rid of the ‘problem’–then conscience is cleared.”. “Thou shalt not murder.”–original Hebrew.
marshmil1789, HAHAHAHAHA You’re a moron. Evidently, you’ve never read a bible. – https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=hCYmWonXHcGMjwSk7ITIAg&q=evilbible.com%2Fmurder+in+the+bible&oq=evilbible.com%2Fmurder+in+the+bible&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30k1.1619.17650.0.20750.34.33.0.0.0.0.157.4112.2j31.33.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.24.3113.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1j0i67k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i10i67k1j0i131i67k1j0i20i264k1j0i10k1j0i30k1j0i10i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i13i10i30k1.0.9nSomPZrQ4s
Thanks Hard Driver. You are entitled to your opinions. The “Bible” has withstood time over several thousand years. The link you posted is relatively recent. Continue to nitpick and argue. Your posts pale compared with “Bible” links to Job, Abraham, Moses and Solomon to cite four names. But have it your way. Your influence is infinitesimal compared with theirs.
marshmil1789, evidently, you’ve never read a bible in your life. You must skip the parts you don’t like. HAHAHAHA – let me help you out by quoting chapter and verse.
1) Capital Punishment Crimes:
Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Hmmm. You compliment me HD. I never realized I command so much power as to keep you busy digging up information. I find it quite bemusing. Thanks for the compliment. Please proceed.
marsmil1789, I “compliment” you? Hardly. I’m retired and have plenty of time to post the truth about your BS beliefs. I don’t have to do much “digging.” I grew up being indoctrinated by the Catholic church. Google is my friend. It allows me to pull up millions of sites that back my statements and refute yours in a short time frame. You should try ‘it’. By showing that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about I help to educate untold numbers of people that are reading these posts. If somebody refuses to accept the truth that’s not my problem.
No thanks you for your loquaciousness. Something you greatly lack is civility. Resorting to childish name calling as you have done is boorish. You lost all credibility with me when you did that.
marshmil1789, Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
marshmil1789, Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:
Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
3) Murdering Children
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
marshmil1789, “my opinion?” These are direct quotes, Chapter and Verse from your BUyBull. –
Kill Men, Women, and Children
“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
4) Miscellaneous Murders
More of Samson’s Murders
(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)
Peter Kills Two People
There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)
marshmil1789,The Angel of Death
My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Destruction of Ai
Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city.” So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: “Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, ‘The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.’ Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders.” So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.
Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn’t realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.
Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city.” Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.
When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)
Killing at Jericho
When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)
God Kills an Extended Family
“You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.’” Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.” (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)
Mass Murder
The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)
The Angel of Death
That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)
Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Kill the Family of Sinners
And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.” [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] “So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)
Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
Murder
At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself.” Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, “The LORD is God! The LORD is God!” Then Elijah commanded, “Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don’t let a single one escape!” So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)
Kill All of Babylon
“Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
marshmil1789, you should try picking up a bible and reading it, thoroughly. You and your BS religion is no better than ISIS terrorists. –
Micah Kills a Whole Town
Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)
an ILLEGAL has NO, ZERO rights under the US Constitution. the Left has NO clue what the word ILLEGAL means and has Zero knowledge of the US Constitution. except that the second Amendment is wrong in their eyes.
The Constitution, adopted in a moment when slavery was understood 2 B driving America’s burgeoning economic growth, yet no one wanted 2 say so out loud, is one thing. America’s future, in which the “Civil War Amendments” R fully realized, will B a quite different thing. This is what USA! with equal legal protection firmly in place, actually looks like. “Love it or leave it!” 🙂
Could you PLEASE edit this mishmash to make it readable? I’ve tried several times and I cannot even determine your position on this discussion. Thank you.
What I’m satin’–the vilified (unsurprisingly woman) judge ruled correctly in this case, ‘cuz equal protection.
No non citizen has any rights, esp not equal protection.
That]s YOUR opinion, which lacks both sympathy and nuance.
No, it is written in the Constitution and “nuance” and “”sympathy” are irrelevant “opinion” and have nothing to do with Constitutional RIGHTS and responsibilities.
That is YOUR opinion, which lacks legal basis, logic, and rationality.
Even less…..equal protection paid for by us.
WOA thank you. I couldn’t unravel it either. Was like chopped up sentences with no connection.
Keep it up and you may be leaving feet first
Idle threats R a pleasant Sunday afternoon entertainment. Let’s drink a toast 2 ’em soon!
John D, when the sh*t hits the fan you’ll be one of the first to go. You must be an impotent little freak who thinks he’s a big ‘man’. HAHAHAHAHAHA You’re nothing but a useless internet tough guy.
Which “Civil War Amendment” are you referencing? Inquiring minds want to know.
I am disturbed by your statement Jimmy Midnight, here is why. The Constitution, adopted at a time when, like today the reality still in African countries, slavery is alive and well. America had this heinous practice that had been handed down and some Americans did do this, and other Americans stopped it. NAMELY Republicans! FACT: Not ONE REPUBLICAN owned slaves. I dare you to find one. There isn’t ANY! When Abraham Lincoln saw the sale of a family, who was separated, he was so sickened that he vowed in his heart to do everything in his power to stop that evil practice. He went through incredible hardship to finally make it to become President to have the honor of passing legislation ending slavery. It is also a fact that Egyptians kept the Jewish people enslaved for hundreds of years in history, It might be helpful to get your history correct.
FACT: Past or present – Some people do evil things and other people don’t. That is the same today. FACT: As a nation, we offer the most freedom, opportunity and hope for all races on the planet. Yes, we are not perfect, because we are a Nation of humans. Humans who have the ability to make errors in judgement. That is why we are also a nation of laws. When we don’t follow those laws or choose only to follow the ones that we “like” then we have no justification to use those laws to accuse others of their actions. If we are guilty of breaking these same laws, then we cannot expect that they will protect us. Either we are a nation of laws and being a citizen means something, or we are a nation of anarchy where laws have no meaning and nationality has no status.
This would mean that the lives of the men and women who have died and are now defending our freedoms and the life that we enjoy here in this country are dying in vain for a country that does not respect their sacrifice. Justice for one, is justice for all or it isn’t justice. Your premise is flawed and I for one am not about to sit back and allow the ridiculous notion that non-citizens should have the right to demand that we as a nation bow to their wants over those of our citizens and against our laws.
I would like to say that I am a legal immigrant to this amazing country. It took my husband and I, nine years and $11K to get our citizenship. We had to leave this country and return in order to get our visa renewed, then get our greencards, then not be allowed to leave the country for over one year, not even for my grandmother’s funeral, which was very hard, so we were unable to leave the USA. BUT we did not demonstrate, or go on TV or claim victimhood, we did not get ANY social services or government money, we worked HARD and became LEGAL CITIZENS. We love America. We are PROUD to be Americans and it is deeply OFFENSIVE to us that people who are here illegally are demanding rights that we legally went through all the hoops, paid large amounts of money, often scraping together everything we made to make sure we did it right, took 9 years, to have the right to be here. And others are just milking off the system. THAT is criminal to us and a slap in the fact to every legal immigrant.
True to Liberals the entire US Constitution is wrong. It violates their whimsical wishes.
That isn’t true, except for certain citizen rights like voting, non-citizens have equal rights when they are in this country.
Representative John Bingham, one of the principal framers of the amendment, emphasized that one of the purposes of the amendment was to ensure “that all persons, whether citizens or strangers, within this land, shall have equal protection in every State in this Union in the rights of life and liberty and property.” While the framers were especially concerned with ending discrimination against African-Americans, they also sought to curb growing state discrimination against immigrants.
Ummm NO they do NOT have the same rights as US CITIZENS. if they did then we would have NO need for a Sovereign country. they have Humanitarian rights and that is it. your LIBERAL playbook doesn’t explain that to you.
TrueAmerican, you aren’t a “true American.” You don’t have a clue about the laws of this country. GTFO. – https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=cqgoWpuaC8nRjAOllIvoDA&q=Do+foreigners+have+rights+in+the+United+States%3F&oq=Do+foreigners+have+rights+in+the+United+States%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.12…2139.22224.0.24643.50.39.0.10.10.0.159.3939.16j23.39.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.47.4082.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1j0i10k1j0i20i263k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j0i13i30k1j0i8i13i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.6S2tzkQdrfo
Hard dipshit, You are a Moron. NO more comment is needed for you
That is an erroneous interpretation, not shared by constitutional scholars, esp Chief Justice Story. It IS the bogus interpretation set forth by the “lgbtqi community”.
It has NOthING to do with immigration, which is the exclusive province of the Feds/Congress. NOT state discrimination against “immigrants” but citizens who moved freely from state to state and the states were not uniform in laws. Even if it was directed against foreign to the US “immigrants”, that does not include gays, foreign or domestic, and was for the purpose to assert the Constitutional power given to Congress to make uniform the naturalization process.
James Madison said it true, that our borders were open ONLY TO the worthy part of the humans who accepted and adopted our values an the principles (liberty justice and equality)set forth in the Dec of Independence and codified in the Constitution, who could contribute to the wealth and growth of our republic.
No one who owes allegiance to foreign powers can become citizens. All illegal entry is prohibited in the Constitution. Illegals have NO rights or protections.
May the Lord deal with this foolish circuit court judge Tanya Chutkan severely! Her obvious intellectual dishonesty bias political and ignorance of the Constitution is absolutely unbelievable! She does not represent this nation!
Nice God U worship–who’s projected 2 deal harshly with simply foolish people. Careful what U wish 4. No Human is exempt from foolishness, something your post highlights ever so effectively.
you are also a fool like very one else a fool what part of illegal do don’t get look up the meaning illegal
fool how you enjoy paying the medical bill for her
Lajos Markos, read your comment and you’ll see who the uneducated “fool” is, it’s YOU. DERP!
The God of Jews and Christians has the final word at His Last Judgement. None of us humans has any say, wishes or whatever. “Foolishness” under Judeo-Christian teaching means atheism–the disbelief that a Creator exists. To each his/her own.
According to the Writings, all those into “foolishness” will get a very harsh sentence.
If it turns out I am wrong, I’ve lost nothing. If it turns out atheists are wrong they have lost an Eternity of Perfect Happiness and Joy. Common sense and rationality say it is better to er on the safe side. But to each his/her own. Pretend you’re at McDonald’s and “Have it your way?.
That is a clever hook to get people to commit to Christianity, & is why many people do when in desperate straits, especially on death row. That is why one’s conduct while here on Earth has become subordinate to one’s belief, according to certain major religions, like most (but not all) Christian sects. But I find this as an easy way out of being responsible for one’s actions.
Now here’s a similar, but more meaningful, line of reasoning regarding an issue that many on the right reject: anthropogenic climate disruption. Logic says that due to the overwhelming consensus of climate scientists affirming that this is real (something like 99% by now), that not taking action to mitigate it could very well mean the end of life on Earth, & in any case would cost much more in the long run than addressing it now & in a big way, & that so many other benefits would accrue from acting (longer & healthier lives, less pollution, fewer poisons, more natural areas remaining, more species remaining, more edible fish in the sea, more resources remaining, more & healthier produce, more walkable areas, more convenient transportation available, more potable water, cleaner air, fewer diseases, etc.), we should urgently & massively bring all science, government & enterprise together to work on preventing this potentially catastrophic phenomenon from happening. To act would be to substantially reduce the disastrous effects of climate chaos & thus is obviously the safe & prudent course to take, whereas to not act would nearly ensure that considerable destruction that could well be the end of our species (& most other species on Earth, which is obviously the dangerous & reckless course to take. The choice should be clear, yet many people are willing to risk the death of our species in order for a few executives of a few giant corporations to get even richer (in the short term only) than they already are now, with no benefit at all, in fact extreme harm, to the rest of the country & world.
Thats funny, cuz I just read a scientific journal that says exactly the opposite. So we are at a stalemate. You do it your way and ill do it my way.
Your sense of humor is quite well-developed, at least as far as quips go. Let’s see if your capacity for reasoning is anywhere near as strong.
If you are faced with these 4 outcomes:
1) the scientific community is right & we take the necessary measures to alleviate climate change: it could be expensive in the short run, but we would safely overcome the challenges with minimal climate & environmental disruption, and the overall financial benefits compared to doing nothing are likely to be very positive in the long run. The money we put up front will have been an excellent investment.
2) The scientific community is wrong but we take those measures, anyway: it would be expensive, but there’d be many other benefits we’d gain: much less pollution, we’d continue to have a diverse flora & fauna, we’d still have most of our resources, we’d be much healthier, we’d likely have a healthier employment situation, a less uneven wealth distribution, etc., & we’d gain new economic opportunity & advantages in the long run through innovation. Again, an excellent investment.
3) The scientific community is wrong & we don’t take those measures: we’d save some money in the short run, but our resources would be greatly depleted & therefore much more expensive; disputes over water & other resources would likely get steadily more frequent & violent, we’d have pollution of all kinds, our oceans would be dying (they already are), there’d be catastrophic extinction of plants & animals (already we’re experiencing one of the greatest mass extinctions in the history of this Earth due mainly to human activities), our overall health would likely decline, etc.
4) The scientific community is right but we do nothing: then even more calamitous extinction; huge displacement of human populations; widespread conflict over our remaining resources, including water; widespread & uncontrollable disease; increasing crop failure; intolerable weather; gigantic destructive storms; possible extinction of the human species.
So what is the best outcome? Actually, it’s #2: scientists are wrong but we take preventive measures – the response coal companies & other climate deniers are telling us not to take! We would’ve put some money upfront, but the side benefits would be well worth it & we wouldn’t’ve had to go through some of the worsening effects of climate change that we feared were impending. #1 would be the 2nd best outcome, because although we go through some tough times weathering through some of the effects of climate change that appear sure to come no matter what we do, we will have survived & overcome our greatest world climate threat we’ve ever faced. Even though it seems to be the industrialists’ dream, #3 comes out a poor 3rd, because although we wouldn’t face the climate challenges (beyond the normal cycles we’ve always faced), we’d still be a much worse place due to widespread pollution, resource depletion, wildlife extinction, etc., which would eventually take us down, anyway, even without being pushed on by climate change. Of course, #4 would be the worst. Conclusion: we must take the (now urgent & dramatic) measures necessary to combat climate change & environmental degradation, whether 97%+ of the scientists are correct, or certain powerful, superwealthy fossil fuel & chemical industries & their political sycophants are correct. No matter which side is right, taking these measures is clearly the prudent course to take. The longer we wait, the more expensive it will be and the more we will suffer. In fact, we are already suffering.
Even if these outcomes were considered to have equal possibility (they’re not: the probabilities overwhelmingly favor #1 or #4, depending on our action or inaction), and even if you didn’t care about maintaining animal & plant diversity, a pleasant environment, clean air, clean water, your own personal health & longevity to say nothing about other people’s (because if you were this way, you wouldn’t care about other people), but only about getting rich, any reasonable businessman, in order to insure himself from the worst consequences, which would be so dire that the differences among the other outcomes become trivial, would choose to take appropriate measures to tackle this possible climate change challenge.
Much more prudent would be to take measures to prevent or alleviate these disastrous changes, like becoming much more energy efficient, converting to clean, renewable energy, conserving more, paying for greenhouse emissions, consuming less, reducing intake of meat, avoiding plastic, expanding mass transit, avoiding driving cars, abandoning industrial farming for regenerative organic farming, reforesting our lands, reducing chemical spills & agricultural runoff, reducing the amount of land paved in concrete & asphalt…, & instituting pricing on greenhouse gases (such as the carbon fee + dividend proposed by CCL https://citizensclimatelobby.org/remi-report/ ) is a first step toward accomplishing these goals. All these things would help forestall climate change, have many other benefits to the environment, people’s health & the economy, & aren’t hard to do, other than getting past the well-funded industries trying to block such measures. It’s a far better way than suffering through ever greater environmental & economic disasters, wishing & hoping that technology will come up with something to protect us. And it’s our moral imperative to do so.
Ridiculous. Fallacious “logic”. Your “opinion is not logic, nor rational nor factual.
That’s the risk of presenting a logical argument in front of an audience of people who can’t or won’t think logically. And that is why we’re a nation in decline unable or unwilling to confront the major crises we face today, the one I mentioned above being among the most grave & consequential we’ve ever faced.
At least there exist some of us still looking for solutions to these problems & trying to persuade others to join us, because it’s the only thing we can do as American citizens with a conscience, but when there are so many people who refuse to see & are willing to give up the environment, potable water, clean air, their health, their future, all in order to feed the insatiable greed of a few extremely rich corporate executives in the fossil fuels industry, it begins to look like a hopeless cause.
Your comments are specious and rife with logical fallacies. Assumer thy name is niknar
…says someone who clearly lacks the ability for reasoning beyond the simplest of concepts.
If you were able to refute my logic, you would do so to each point you disagree with, & shoot them down one by one. But you didn’t because you can’t.
I would but you made NO valid or factual points, just employed circular reasoning, ad hominems, excluded middle among a very few fallious coments.
You just demonstrated again your lack of ability to understand logical arguments, let alone devise one of your own. You merely spew out terms you don’t even understand. And what does “excluded middle among a very few fallious coments” even mean even after you correct the obvious grammatical & spelling errors?
I do understand logic, and all the terms I laid out. You have no legs to stand on, as you cannot and do not respond to the facts nor even conclusions I drew, except with ad hominems.
Be specific about “obvious grammatical & spelling errors”. I use voice recognition and try to correct resulting mistakes. Among my many degrees is one in English grammar. If there is a “mistake”, it was deliberate, or you are wrong.
Methinks the man? doth protest too much, and lacks facts to cover his specious opinions and lack of logic.
You are a hoot! With the evidence out there for all to see about your incoherent, grammatically incorrect false claims & misspellings, you want to tell everybody that you had a degree in English Grammar. If that is true, you’d better demand your money back from whatever kindergarten gave it to you because it’s clearly meaningless.
More ad hominems. You cannot identify a single instance of grammatical error.
The false claims are yours and any misspellings may be typos or voice recognition errors.
You cannot justify abortion as a constitutional right, a law passed by Congress. You cannot justify abortion on the specious and illogical and unsupportable by statistics or facts on your imagination that a child not aborted is unwanted and therefore a potential mass murderer (or criminal as you changed it to). Nothing is 100% and your claim stated as not just probability but more likely than not (even the stats for criminal behavior don’t arise to more than 10% of the population in any age group, income groups and social or ethnic groupings, though the “fatherless” and/or single parent households have a tendency towards greater anti social behavior and emotional problems, but it is not a majority of same). You have not a leg to stand on, logically, statistically or factually, to support your outlandish claims about abortion, criminality, mass murder, “choice”.
Your shrill hyperbole is duly noted.
You are so transparently ridiculously illogical. You are clearly devolving. When you can come up with statistics that proves that abortions prevent mass murderers and crime (which is increasing, btw, and is generally seen as the result of the loss of the 2 parent family and the increase in welfare for ever more children born to unwed mothers ON welfare and uneducated mothers, even by sociologists who seem to be primarily lib/dem/progs) maybe I will engage with your nonsense. Signing off and blocking you.
“Signing off and blocking you.”
Ahhh, finally some relief!
apparently not, since you keep replying with irrelevant nonsense. I thought I blocked you and it says you are blocked when I view in discussion, so how do you get to be an ASSumer continually?
Something else you’re incompetent at: blocking people.
niknar, maybe floral attended the scam Trump University.
Ah, no wonder! That explains everything.
floral, aren’t you the freak that claimed that nobody clicks on links? Links that show statistics, studies and proof of concept? You’re a moron, go away.
Ridiculous. I made no such claim. Namecaller, you are what you call others.
WHAT silly stuff. WHO told U that? WHY did U believe them?
jimmy we do not expect you and your atheist buddies to believe anything we “Believers” say. Carry on with your own preferences. Like at McDonald’s “Have it your way”. Enjoy your self-made lunch. We are invited to a Celestial Banquet. MAGA!
Why don’t YOU believe? There is far more reason to believe in Jehovah and His Word of the Bible, than to accept anything you say. You have no logic, reason, rationale, intelligence, education apparent.
floral, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oww, my side hurts I laughed so hard at your stupidity. You prove by your comments that YOU are what you label others.
Back at you. Laugh away. I labelled no one and your lame attempt to “turn the tables” fails logically, rationally and reveals YOUR essential “stupidity”.
Moron. Your post highlights your own ignorance.
She doesn’t represent the law, politics only.
If she wants to murder her unborn child,let her,but don’t do it at American taxpayers expense,let her pay for it herself!
Oh she’ll pay for it alright. At the Highest of High Courts–The Last Judgement. “Thou shalt not murder.”
I do not want my money to go for an illegal anything,especially an abortion. They screw to get pregnant thinking thats going to keep them here Then they want an abortion to get rid of the resonsiability.
carpkiller, I don’t want my money to pay for illegal ‘wars’. Unfortunately all I can do is protest when my tax money is used to pay for death & destruction.
Did you say that when that fucking nazi murdered Heather in Virginia, this past summer? NO YOU DIDN’T. Because you bastards are just a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
Sieg Hiel
“Heil”
Retort: Die Mother Fucker!
Franky don’t believe in God, so your whistling Dixie. I love Dixie. Don’t you Franky? I love to drape that flag over the little Hispanic girl while she’s murdering her child. Hey. Maybe it was gonna be named Franky.
You seem to have responded to the wrong person. I think you meant to reply to Frank B. who is blocked from my screen. Your post makes no sense. Sorry.
marshmil1789, post some empirical proof your imaginary friend in the sky exists. You’re a delusional i d i o t .
Thank you Hard Driver if that’s the best you can do. I owe you nothing. You prove my “imaginary friend in the sky” does not exist! By the tone of your post you seem to have some desires for proof that my “friend in the sky” exists. You might be uncomfortable with your present state of existence.
Merry Christmas. : )
marshmil1789, you’d be wrong, my “existence isn’t perfect but I don’t need it to be. I’ve been retired since the age of 57 and just sold my custom built home on 7 acres in Redmond, Washington and bought a new, smaller motorhome (24 feet) to replace my 32 footer that I donated to charity. I’ll be hitting the road soon to travel Canada and the USA. I’m very happy and don’t need an imaginary deity to show me how to live a decent and moral life. If you had a functioning brain you’d know that you can’t prove a negative. I’ve seen enough in my 62 years to see that this imaginary ‘God” you believe in is either an asshole or an incompetent thing that allows millions of innocent children to suffer and die horrible deaths the world over. I want nothing to do with this evil thing you call “God.” You have every right to believe in this imaginary thing and I have every right to call you delusional for believing in something that can’t be proven to exist with empirical evidence. Christmas is a commercialized bastardization of what it once was. Make sure you spend yourself into life long debt buying gifts for unappreciative friends/relatives. I donated to Heifer International in the name of a couple of my teen nephews a few years ago and the shock on their face was priceless when they opened their cards/gifts and I told them I wasn’t buying them any gifts that year. I used it as a teaching moment to try and instill empathy for the less fortunate rather that spend money buying them a new game for their X-Box or PS3-4. They had more than they need. I hope they learned something, if not, oh well, I tried. I will also inform you that I was Baptized in the Catholic faith at a very young age and suffered through years of BS indoctrination. I’ve grown and started to think for myself. I don’t care one way or the other whether you can “prove” anything. I’ve asked numerous religious freaks to offer one shred of empirical evidence their deity exists. I’ve never received any coherent answer back.
Thanks. Catholicism is a religion, not a Faith as is Christianity. Read carefully First Epistle of John, Chapter 5 (not the Gospel of John). That summarizes what anyone needs to know. Read it with an open mind. God wants you in His Kingdom. The Creation is the visible Evidence that He exists. Now tell Him you want to know more. He is anxious to open some windows for you. God Bless and Merry Christmas.
marshmil1789, I’ll never read another word out of your murderous/hateful fairy tale. Screw your imaginary friend and his kingdom. You’re delusional, still.
You have qualified for and won yourself a block party for your hatred. You are now blocked from my screen. You are possessed of Satan. May God have mercy on your soul. The gate is closed.
No send her with her family back whence they came. A non citizen, illegally, here, does NOT get “rights” under OUR Constitution
She is paying for it herself.
What, with her foodstamp card? That don’t count.
This is further confirmation that the long-term plan of the left is for abortion to replace Communion or The Lord’s Prayer or the sounding of the shofar as the chief religious ritual in our society, as part of the supplantation of Christianity and Judaism by a state cult of secular humanism, gaian paganism and ruler worship along the lines of ancient Rome. We know where that got the Romans, and we are headed there faster than they are. Becoming the free abortion clinic of the Americas will also accelerate the invasion and transformation of our republic, and an open-border peoples republic of Aztlan, ruled by a permanent oligarchy of cultural marxists through the votes of a new brown Third World population, is also part of the left’s plan.
No one ever seems to mention the father in these things. I know here has to be one, so why isn’t he made to step up and take responsible for his actions instead of us having to pay for the wiping out of an innocent child. And why isn’t she (and family ) sent back to where she came from?
Why would that be relevant at this point?
Frank, you don’t seem to understand basic morality.
We are at the point where this girl requires medical attention. Not your bull shit moralizing about who impregnated her! Now grow the fuck up.
No! You are wrong. There is a good chance if she were in her home country, her “medical attention” would be found at her house or someone else’s house with a midwife.
But she ain’t in her “home country”. She’s right here in the United States! That’s the whole god damn point you fucking moron.
Got quite the potty mouth, eh Franky?
“sieg hiel” — is just about the dirtiest “potty mouth” there is, bitch!
Donald Trump, are you the ‘real’ “pu**y grabber? HAHAHAHAHA Crawl back under your rock.
The whole point is that she should NOT be here. We should not be forced to allow anyone to come here illegally and kill a child.
Oh, and the other point is you’re a Troll and based upon the number of votes you have to comments, few people want to hear from you anyway.
BUT SHE IS HERE! That’s the fucking point!
Paul Allen, this country has laws against killing children. A fetus isn’t a child and never will be.
Only in your tiny brain. Again, you’re not worth responding to any further.
Paul Allen, yet you keep responding. Make up your mind, if you possess one. HAHAHAHAHA
Why? Was she going to die if the baby wasn’t murdered? Just curious as to how she “required” medical murder? Or was it simply a case of, “if dad finds out I’m a whore at 15 years old, he’ll kill me”?
After your nazi salute, you have no moral ground to say shit to me or anyone else. Fuck you. You nazi bastard!
Troll.
Then go read some other post bitch!
Donald Trump, fetuses are babies and babies are murdered? You’re as moronic as your screen name. Dumb de dumb dumb.
Her life was not in danger, dunderhead. She just didn’t want to have to see the consequence of her immoral actions pop out and have to be nurtured and raised. They should have shipped her ass back to wherever she came from and told the judge to stick it. We need to impeach this legal idiot.
Are you a doctor? If not I don’t want to hear your political bull shit.
Frank B is a troll.
Add willfully ignorant and idiotic and ridiculous and illogical and irrational and bratty and devoid of civility, vocabulary and intelligence. THT are a very few of the adjectives that apply to that loser.
floral, didn’t your school ever teach you the proper use of a comma? HAHAHAHAHA Look in your mirror and you’ll see the ignorant idiot staring back at you.
Yes, I know the proper use of commas, meanings of words, logic and capitalization. I know ad hominems and illogic especially when you make stupid comments.
floral, NO, you don’t know the proper use of a comma. “idiotic AND ridiculous AND illogical AND irrational AND bratty and devoid of civility. Every capitalized AND should be a comma. You’ve been proven wrong so many times you should stay off the internet until you get an education.
You need to stop asserting that you are knowing all there is to know about formatting. This is NOT a thesis for which there is a manual you nazi. You failed to punctuate properly and are careless with capitalization.
Emphasis can take many forms. I learned grammar when it was truly known. You have proved NOTHING and you have never proven me WRONG in any way.
floral, HAHAHAHAHAHA <- there's some capitalization for you to choke on, m o r o n.
Frank understands NOTHING. “she” is NOT a citizen, is here illegally and should not be given anything, esp not elective procedures that rid her of the consequences of her actions. “she” does NOT need any mdical care. Abortions are NOT “medically necessary”
In some circumstances, an abortion can be a medical necessity.
And in some circumstances, murder can be a medical necessity.
In rare circumstances.
So, because of the anomaly we should allow the murder other children because people can’t keep it in their pants and keep their legs closed? We should allow the entire world to enter our country and pay for their stupid mistakes? If YOU want to pay for it, then be my guest, but don’t force the rest of us to do it.
I was only rebutting the blanket statement that abortions are not a medical necessity. To save the life of the mother, I think so. In cases of rape or incest, that’s a moral conundrum.
You rebutted NOTHING. Abortion is never a medical necessity, Nothing is a medical necessity. Allopathic medicine is not a necessity, nor particularly effective and in no wise is it “health care”. To save the life of the mother= WHAT circumstances? you are not a doctor nor a woman and you are not qualified to state anything about pregnancy. It is NOT abortion to crush the skull of the baby stuck in the birth canal and it is NOT necessary. If the “doctor” delivering did not know what might go wrong in the delivery, he was not paying attention and did not advise Cesarean at 7.5 months. Mother’s life at stake is a rare and unforeseen event at time of delivery and abortion cannot be performed to save the life of the mother. It is way too late.
floral, what medical degree do you possess? You anti-abortion fascists want to force 11 year old incest/rape victims to birth the babies of their rapists, even if it would kill or completely destroy the life of the victim. – https://www.mediaite.com/online/11-year-old-rape-victim-forced-to-give-birth-to-rapists-baby-lives-through-delivery/ — https://www.google.com/search?ei=g8wlWu7RCouCjwO29rHADA&q=11+year+old+incest+victim+forced+to+birth+fetus+of+rapist.&oq=11+year+old+incest+victim+forced+to+birth+fetus+of+rapist.&gs_l=psy-ab.12…6854.10412.0.15251.10.10.0.0.0.0.205.810.8j0j1.9.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0….0.qmfRUC-E3Ls If you don’t want to have an abortion don’t have one. You have NO RIGHT to deny any woman the right to have an abortion, which has been deemed legal by the courts of this country. YOU ant-abortion fascists love to scream about keeping the government out of your private lives but love to try and dictate what others can or can’t do according to YOUR beliefs.
I have far more medical training and knowledge than you and many so called abortion doctors. Hard cases make bad laws.
According to the FBI, out of 64mill pregnancies less than 3k are from rape and 1/2 of those opt to keep their pregnancies and/or the babies.
It is the exception that proves the existence of the rule.
Courts have not “deemed” abortion to be legal. SCOTUS made a ruling and subsequently undermined that ruling by returning to the states (2-3 cases) the right to regulate abortion. The initial ruling was faulty on legal grounds and Kennedy was adamant about that. Also, the ruling said as soon as Congress passed a law deciding on life at conception or establishing lower limits for abortion (for instance 9 weeks-heartbeat detectable) than the 22-24 weeks assumed in 1970’s case, that RvW went void…..
floral, you’re full of SH*T. Post copies of your medical degrees and training. –
Is abortion legal in every state? Since 1973, states cannot ban abortions completely. However, they can ban it after the point of viability in the second trimester. There is a federal ban on a specific type of abortion and a ban on federal funding for many abortions. While abortion may be legal, it may be difficult to find abortion services offered within a state.
Abortion Law and Supreme Court Decisions
The Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade (1973) established that the right to have an abortion is protected by the U.S. Constitution, which means that states are prohibited from banning abortions performed prior to the point of viability.
The Roe decision originally established viability at 24 weeks; Casey v. Planned Parenthood (1992) shortened it to 22 weeks. This prohibits states from banning abortions before a point about five and a quarter months of gestation. More: Why is abortion legal?
Money is fungible and yes PP gets a lot of tax payer dollars fraudulently by falsifying medical records. They do perform many abortions well past the
“viability” standard, refuse to perform sonograms to determine, and abortion doctors do cut up babies in the womb. Many women have been mutilated and/or die from the careless unsanitary abortion clinics.
floral, PROVE your spurious claims, you uneducated m o r o n. Somebody should have rammed a coat hanger up your mommy’s s n a t c h and aborted you, you freak.
Such logic, rationality and tolerance. The proof is in the public Financial records of PP as to their profits, and the feds reports on their taxpayer funds and the investigations into their fraudulent medical records and the incarceration of their doctors for “murder” and malpractice and late term abortion practices and extreme health violations and sale of aborted tissue.
floral, if you have links that back your claims, post the links or STFU.
I do not claim education based on degrees obtained, but I do have them. I do basic research in financial statements, medical journals, court decisions/rulings, law, etc.
Anyone who advocates what you just did, violence against any pregnant woman, in the manner you described, is a CRIMINAL, and should be removed from society.
floral, like I said in an earlier post, “you’re delusional.” Why don’t you gather some of your republiCON thug friends and try to remove me from society. I’ll say it again, YOU should have been aborted in a manner that would have caused you the maximum amount of pain. Here’s a list of abortion procedures, –
There are many types of abortions, and often, they depend on how far along the pregnancy is.
Below you will find a list and brief description of each type of abortion.
*Information presented on this page was taken from http://www.WomansRightToKnow.org – a service of the Kansas Department of Health and Environment
Early Non-Surgical (Medical) Abortion
Performed in weeks 2 to 10 of pregnancy
A drug is given to stop the development of the pregnancy.
The use of this drug may cause cramping, pelvic pain or bleeding. Often women will pass clots, tissue, and then the unborn child within hours or days.
For a full list of possible side effects and risks, see our Abortion Risks page.
Vacuum Aspiration
Performed in weeks 2 to 12 of pregnancy
Requires a local anesthetic injected into or near the cervix.
The cervix is then stretched open, allowing a tube to be inserted. The unborn child and placenta are then suctioned out.
Occasionally, this is followed by a procedure to scrape the walls of the uterus, making sure it has been completely emptied of the unborn child and placenta.
For a full list of possible side effects and risks, see our Abortion Risks page.
Dilation and Evacuation (D&E)
Performed in weeks 13 to 21/22 of pregnancy
Sponge-like pieces of material are placed into the cervix, slowly opening the cervix over a period of several hours or overnight.
The mother may be given intravenous medications to help with pain and prevent infection.
A general anesthesia is then given to the mother, and the unborn child and placenta are removed with forceps and suction curettage. Occasionally, it is necessary to dismember the unborn child.
For a full list of possible side effects and risks, see our Abortion Risks page.
Labor Induction
Performed in weeks 13 to 21/22 of pregnancy
This procedure may require a hospital stay.
Drugs are given to t he mother to terminate the pregnancy and to begin labor (usually starts in 2-4 hours).
In the event that the placenta is not completely removed during labor, the cervix must be opened and a doctor will perform suction curettage.
For a full list of possible side effects and risks, see our Abortion Risks page.
Dilation and Extraction (D&X)
Performed in weeks 13 to 21/22 of pregnancy
Often referred to as a partial birth abortion. This type of abortion is illegal except when necessary to save the life of the mother.
This is always performed in a hospital, and can be done in rare cases, after 16 weeks.
The doctor opens the cervix, grasps the unborn child’s foot with an instrument and delivers the child completely, with the exception of the head. An incision is made in the back of the child’s head, and a suction tube is inserted. The child’s skull is fully suctioned out, allowing the head to collapse. The child is then delivered dead.
For a full list of possible side effects and risks, see our Abortion Risks page.
Labor Induction
Performed in weeks 22 to 38 of pregnancy
This type of abortion is never performed in a clinic setting, as it may require a hospital stay.
Drugs are given to the mother to terminate the pregnancy and to begin labor (usually starts in 2-4 hours).
In the event that the placenta is not completely removed during labor, the cervix must be opened and a doctor will perform suction curettage.
Labor and delivery are very similar to childbirth, with the duration depending upon the size of the unborn child (along with the condition of the uterus).
It may be necessary for instruments to be used to scrape the placenta to remove all traces of the unborn child and placenta.
The further along in the pregnancy, the greater the chances of the delivered child living. If the baby is removed alive, the doctor is required by law to provide care and treatment to it as they would any other baby born under similar circumstances.
For a full list of possible side effects and risks, see our Abortion Risks page.
Hysterotomy (similar to a C-Section)
Performed in weeks 22 to 38 of pregnancy
This type of abortion is never performed in a clinic setting, as it requires a hospital stay. A hysterotomy is performed when a labor induction fails or is not possible.
This is the removal of an unborn child by cutting open the abdomen and uterus, and killing the unborn child prior to removal.
Anesthetic is given to the woman to remove the pain of surgery.
– Take your pick. I’d still prefer the coat hanger method. Something you’d force women to undergo by eliminating legal abortions. Maybe it would be better if you just KYS.
“legal” means a law was passed. So, NO abortion is not “legal”. SCOTUS cannot pass legislation. It can ONLY decide whether a specific law in the case before them is constitutional. It cannot go beyond that case and strike down every law that may be similar when the law is NOT before them. All Texas or any state had to do, was pass a new law, then the unfunny joke starts all over. RvW specifically established that when it ruled that if and when Congress passed a law Life at Conception, that RvW was null and void.
This Illegal Alien and the ACLU along with the Court just made it possible for All Illegals to come here for American Paid Abortions..Our Constitution applies Worldwide now..
Pau Allen, who is “murdering children?” If you read your BuyBull it states that life begins AFTER a baby takes it’s first breath independent of and outside the womb of its mother. – https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/3/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception If you want the chapter and verse look it up in your BuyBull.
Typical response from a typical ignorant person with little respect for human life. Not worth any response more than this one that I have given.
Paul Allen, what “human life” are you referring to? A fetus isn’t a “human life” until it pops its head out of its mother’s womb. You’re an ignorant CONservative who supports a traitor to America. Trump will be impeached, soon. Find a crying towel to dry your tears, you’re going to need it. You’re also a HUGE HYPOCRITE. You’re one of those r-wing freaks who screams about keeping the government out of your life but only if it benefits you. You want to control what others do. You’re nothing but a Nazi wannabe.
Right Paul. I reject abortion “by choice” of the Mother. It is not my responsibility to pay for her mistakes and/or unwanted items. Money for
such should come from Hillary and Barack, not from the US Treasury.
What circumstances are “medically necessary? There are none, unless you think “medical decision” is god, and absolutely unquestionable and scientific and without doubt and not just “practice” and profit/politically/ oriented.
Try this one – to save the life of the mother.
When to save the life of the mother? Pregnancy is not a disease and pregnancy in and of itself never causes death. There are instances where medical mistakes and/or placentia previa endanger the pregnancy and rarely, after normal delivery, excessive uncontrollable bleeding occur but then it is too late to “abort”. You an expert on pregnancy? Ever have one? death from pregnancy is very rare and usually occurs from the delivery or medical procedure.
There have been very rare cases where the baby’s head is too large for the abnormally small pelvic passage of the mother and in the 50’s and 60’s
some vile doctors crushed the head of the baby killing it, but that is not abortion. Since ultrasound is routine, almost all problems with delivery can be mitigated…..
When did I ever say that pregnancy is a disease. Abortions are very infrequently employed when the life of the mother is at stake. Very rare does not mean never. There are also cases where doctors have advised women not to get pregnant again because the mother’s health is so fragile the pregnancy could very well imperil her life. Stop being an absolutist.
Stop being a particularist. Hard cases make bad laws. Even PP stats show no health reasons substantiated for abortions or even rape.
As noted before, I was told I would not survive a pregnancy, but the doctor lied, as the ones I have dealt with have done without fail. Your comment is not supported even by your opinions masquerading as fact. Just because a doctor “advises” against pregnancy does not mean “abortion”. Just because a baby’s skull is crushed to get it out of the birth canal, when being delivered does not mean it is an abortion.
Doctors and PP treat pregnancy as a disease, as did that Malthusian eugenicist Sanger who founded PP and gave Nazis a weapon with which to continue genocide.
Prove it-not reported to the CDC and not done by PP. You have only supposition, not proof that any abortion is done for the life of the mother.
floral, you think your imaginary friend in the sky takes precedence over science, doctors and a woman’s RIGHT to choose? Get the ‘F’ out of this country.
You obviously don’t know what I think nor do you know anything about RvW or science or the nonscience of allopathic medicine.
for1. the US was founded by CHRISTIANS and the Constitution is the practical application of the Dec of Independence.
2. RvW explicitly said the state of medicine was lack of knowledge so they guessed at 24 wks as “viable” and explicitly stated as knowledge advanced in conception and pregnancy, that RvW could and probably would become void. Subsequent cases brought by PP went down in flames and restored the right of states to regulate abortion.
3. Science is NOT God and doctors allopathic are still “practicing” and know almost nothing about “science”. Science is limited to theory which if can be duplicated in a lab setting might yield “proof” of something, but very limited. It can NEVER “prove” origins of life or meaning or give any thought or support for ethical or moral issues. In fact, all “medical” schools require ethics courses for doctors, or do you think that the Nazis were right to conduct such vile “experiments” on people in the NAME of medical investigation?
This country was founded by religious people and every form was intended by the Founders explicitly for a religious and moral people. You are intolerant, uneducated and vile in your ad hominem fallacious comments.
floral, you’ve been posting what you think for days now. What it shows is that you’re an ignorant moron.
what you have revealed is that YOU are what you so illogically label others. You cannot rebut anything with facts or common sense so you resort to nam calling.
floral, I’ve posted numerous links to various sources that “rebuts” everything that you tried to pass off as fact by pretending that you’re educated and know so much more than experts in various fields that have been discussed. Of course, you’re the M O R O N who claimed that nobody clicks on links. If the name fits, wear it. YOU”RE a M O R O N who suffers from delusions of grandeur. Have you made an appointment to see a psychiatrist yet?
I think you have revealed your need for a psychiatrist . I have never claimed no one clicks on links. I did say I did not post a link so your claim it came up blank is thorough nonsense. If you have posted any link to ME, it was probably a pp link which in my research is always false info, easily rebutted by any number of sources far more legitimate AND less biased.
Your assertions about me are unfounded, namecalling ad hominems.
floral, you’re full of SH*T!
floral, nice try m o r o n. I’ve never posted anything from Planned parenthood. Do you wake up screaming in the middle of the night from your Planned Parenthood fever dreams you suffer from? I posted links that refuted the BS you post, without any certs to back up your BS. I’m not about to search through my thousands of posts to find the comments you try to deny. Have you made an appointment to see a psychiatrist yet?
And not screwing cannput A stop to this!!
Did you enjoy eating the remains of the fetus? Fetus don’t fail me now, eh Franky
As an aside, I love that song whence you took your line: “25 Miles” by Edwin Starr, 1969. So much spirit in it!
If that’s all I had to eat, then so be it. Next dumb ass Question Please!
Speaking of which, it is “rumored” that Webb Hubble is the father of hag Hillary’s child, could her name be what it is because she was conceived at the CHELSEA HOTEL, in NYC? (Women do things like this)
David in MA, it’s “rumored” that you’re a fu*king moron.
This is the DESTRUCTION done by Democrats infiltrating COMMUNISTS in the school system late 50’s or maybe even earlier.A brainwashed college educated Communist Elite/Judges set on destruction of America.A dumbed down society also elected a Muslim FRAUD that set the destruction on steroids.We are dealing with a CRIMINAL Democrat party and their co criminals
Yeah, that makes sense! Preventing an illegal woman from having an abortion is being called a “War on Children” by those WISE souls on the Left! DAH!!!!!
KILLING them is OK, but PREVENTING their death is WAR! Left Wing Lunacy!
Jack Feeney, bring it, you freak. This liberal is well armed and tactically trained.
The constitution applies to anyone who is physically in this country. Also, we, unlike other barbaric countries, don’t deny medical care to someone, just because you don’t like their status or race.
And no doubt, the ignorant rightwing bastards on this site, as usual, don’t know what the fuck they are talking about.
Wrong, ghetto boy!
Just like a typical redneck asshole. You don’t know shit so you offer bull shit.
an abortion is not “medical care” better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
LOL LOL LOL. That’s so typical of dumb ass republicans. Ok bitch, then in your view a woman should simply stop by the nearest Burger King, order an Original Chicken Sandwich, fries, and two Abortions, to go?!?
Of course it’s medical care you god damn flaming moron!!!
A bunch of whining ass redneck crackers. You mother fuckers want something to worry about? Well the Special Prosecutor, just got his first indictment this past Friday. And that ignorant bastard in office is getting nervous! LOL LOL LOL
better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Then why the fuck did you open your ignorant mouth? You dumb bastard! LOL LOL LOL
I know you but what am I?
Answer: YOU ARE A GOD DAMN FLAMING IDIOT & FUCKED-UP MORON! Any more questions?
speak from where I fucked you last!
You mean from where your tongue was last night. Up the crack of my black ass mother fucker!
Can we make the abortions for illegal aliens retroactive?
FB provides the rationale for post birth abortion (whatever chronological age he happens to be at the moment.)
Wrong’s the word so, just burn the books and live it up??
I thought the only ones who could make changes to the Constitution or add amendments was Congress.
Of course Obama had his own way, as most dictators do, but he isn’t dictating anymore so that rule under his orders does not apply anymore.
Besides. His presidency was not legal as he is a foreigner and can’t be president. Now he can, hopefully, go back to Kenya, his home of birth, and he can be a dictator there.
Too bad our Constitition doesn’t say we can incarcerate those with misfiring brains like the Feminists and Liberals. But we’d have to build a prison half the size of Texas to house them. OR we could just drop them in the Middle East and let the terrorists deal with them!
So sad that those feminist liberal “creatures” (can’t even call them “humans” any more because they willingly and excitedly “kill” their unborn) are allowed to walk our Country along with normal sane people. They are a warped and evil driven group that has not one shred of consciousness of right or wrong — and in the end, THEY WILL BE JUDGED FOR THEIR IMMORAL SINS FOR ETERNITY. Glad they will find out the consequences of their misguided unforgiving egocentric lives…
And at the end of their lives they will “meet” face to face the children they allowed to be killed and butchered — that WILL BE THE FATE THEY WILL BE FORCED TO ENDURE AS THE JUDGMENT FROM GOD. They are to be pitied…
Wrong, just send all commies through the adult abortion center
OMG! I love your comment! That’s exactly what we should do! Very well put!
That’s why we need 30 or 40 foot walls that flair out a bit at the top and are then rounded so one cannot get a grip or use a grappling hook.I want to see somebody climb one and then try to jump. Splat! No matter which side they land on.
The left never stops with their B.S. antiques, poor immigrant who could get a abortion, but couldn’t use a condom, how brave of her, way to use our system, P.O.S!
The Federal Courts are corrupt and the judges need to be impeached and locked up.
Abort them.
Some of them, esp the ninth circuit are idiots and should be removed.
All of Congress should be demanded to take a real course on understanding the constitution. This should also hold true for high school students. The continued miss speaking of what the constitution really says and means will destroy our nation and these people doing so should be put in their place as ignorants and anti American.
Make them attend a class at Hillsdale. They provide a great lesson plan on the Constitution. And make it so the congresscritters have to pass a rigorous exam before they can return to their chambers
jimdarnall, is “miss speaking” someone you dated in school? No, that can’t be, you never went to school, judging by your lack of understanding of the English language. HAHAHAHAHA You “should be demanded” to return to elementary school and pass an English class.
I usually appreciate satire, but not this time. Abortion is too serious a topic for that.
Stop pretending that you care about BROWN fetuses and babies because you don’t, you racist savage.
I didn’t even have to read the article to guess it was an obozo appointed libtard puppet dirtbag judge that made such an Un-American ridiculous ruling. Guess the single most stipulation of becoming a judge(or immitation of) appointed by obozo the fraud was that they never had and promise never to read our Constitution or know our laws. Two words come to mind for ALL of obozo’s puppet libtard judges — HELTER – SKELTER !!!!!!
We need to begin aborting all of the commie judges.
Where is it, let alone it applies to a non-American citizen?
By reading what the framers of the constitution said about equal rights. Thus the supreme court has ruled that non-citizens have equal rights.
Representative John Bingham, one of the principal framers of the amendment, emphasized that one of the purposes of the amendment was to ensure “that all persons, whether citizens or strangers, within this land, shall have equal protection in every State in this Union in the rights of life and liberty and property.” While the framers were especially concerned with ending discrimination against African-Americans, they also sought to curb growing state discrimination against immigrants.
An illegal alien/immigrant has no rights under America’s Constitution except in the minds of liberals, the illegals as non-citizens are not subject to the Constitution because as citizens of another country they have no allegiance to America, this is why the immigration process requires their swearing allegiance to America when they become American citizens thru the process. (same goes for dual citizenship, what country do they hold allegiance to? (any country which coddles them but when the SHTF, they run back to the safety of their true country of allegiance)))))
NO, non-citizens have no responsibility to America and America has none towards them.
You say:” they also sought to curb growing state discrimination against immigrants.”
I say: they also sought to curb growing state discrimination against LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, Which most were, at the time. Your mixing the criteria of a new nation with that of a established nation, different time and different world.
I WOULD PREFER WE ABORT ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS NO MATTER WHAT AGE THEY ARE FROM CONCEPTION TO AGE 1006.
And we should gather any lefty citizens along too. Musloids? Yup abort! Obnoxious blacks? Yup abort! Anti-second amendment activists? Yup abort!
This is very simple ,,,, We Contact our congressmen/women and ORDER them to reverse this stupidity! Or, they can join the Unemployment Lines!
William, HAHAHAHAHAHA, order schmorder. What planet are you living on?
I know it is hard for you to understand, but The members of, Both Houses of Congress, work for US. We don’t work for them. If they refuse to represent US, we can and will FIRE THEM!
The moral of the story is that there is no real justice only personal opinions of appeasers to please the people by following behind them ?????????
I am sick and tired of paying for these illegals SEND THEM BACK
Oh those silly progressives! They sure are good at ferreting out those unenumerated rights but sure have trouble finding those that are enumerated, don’t they.
This how the progressives amend the constitution without going through that pesky amendment process.
Our civil rights are being destroyed under the guise of protecting our civil rights. Just like ANTIFA is a fascist movement under the guise of fighting fascism. Just like racism is being taught in our universities under the guise of fighting racism. See a pattern? This is how leftists are going to destroy the country. They get useful idiots to fight for the very things they believe they are fighting against.
And think they’re so much smarter cuz they went to 4 extra years of baby sitting.
no anchor baby to keep her here now , deport her immediately
No such thing as an anchor baby.
Per a twisted interpretation of natural born, a child born in the us to an illegally entered mother, is a US citizen at birth (anchor for the mother to stay). However, the Constitution is clear on the subject and anyone who owes allegiance to a foreign power cannot claim citizenship for their children born in the US (like diplomats) and visitors.
Unfortunately, some idiot libs and likewise idiot justices, decided that students from pakistan who were married and attending college in the US, whose child was born in the US but taken and raised from the age of 2, back to the middle east when the students graduated, was a US citizen IF she “took up her citizenship” by age 21. That resulted in a muslim who never resided in the US before age 19 and was raised radical muslim, worked for radical muslim organization, had a brother and father who were radical muslims (brotherhood) whose mother is even more radical, rose to deputy state dept under hillbilly clinton.
I am not in favor of abortion, but at this point, since the illegal alien is not going to be an anchor mom we can deport her sorry ass back to where ever it is she came from.
There is no such thing as an anchor mom. Just another example of liberals that fail to understand the Constitution.
J_in_TX. I know, but it’s the term liberals are familiar with. Unfortunately they have fooled many judges who were appointed with no knowledge of the difference between right and wrong, so I was just trying to make it easy for them to understand
I’m not sure you can dumb it down that much.
No, it is anchor baby, because by a twisted interpretation of natural born, any child born in the US is a US citizen and mom gets to stay to care for the child. The Constitution does say that no one who owes allegiance to a foreign government (illegals illegally in this country) can claim citizenship for children born on US soil. (ie diplomats, invaders etc)
So send her azz home. Pronto.
The Constitution was based on Christian principles as they are clearly enunciated in the Holy Bible, & does not need interpretation. It says what it says. Freedom of Religion meant absence of a state-supported denomination taxing both adherents & those of different persuasions. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” — John Adams
Claims of a “living document” notwithstanding, there is only one legal way to change it, & that is by Constitutional Amendment. Thus, correct interpretation is that if something like sodomy or the life of the human unborn comes up in conversation, the Constitution as extension of Christian beliefs is clearly against those & considers them sinful. On the other hand, tolerance of racial & sexual differences is entirely a different matter, & discussed in the scriptures under the heading of Love. The Constitution does not abide those things considered immoral by God nor encourage their adoption, but still tolerates them within reason. True Christians understand & abide by this guiding principle:
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?” — Matthew 7:1-3 (KJV)
Buck Stearns, crawl back in your hole you religious nutjob. – https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=JDEmWoTgNOSLjwTS9I0I&q=evilbible.com%2Fmurder+in+the+bible&oq=evilbible.com%2Fmurder+in+the+bible&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39k1.2759.18401.0.19380.34.33.0.0.0.0.245.4363.1j31j1.33.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.33.4355.0..0j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1j0i67k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1j0i10k1j0i30k1j0i10i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i13i10i30k1.0.HvlGGi3WU_g
Is that the best you can do? Totally pathetic!
What gets me is they say it’s their Constitutional Right when actually the only Constitutional Women’s right they have as of this date is the right to vote. The Equal Rights Amendment passed by Congress in 1972 hasn’t gotten enough State Ratification yet to be added to the Constitution as of this date Nevada was the last one they still need 3 more states to add it to the Constitution.
Yes, keep them in slavery! And whose idea was it to give them the right to vote in the first place?
ASSuming again? What slavery? Nobody forces a woman to get pregnant (outside of long term kidnapping and rape-a very rare occurrence for which abortion is not an option)
“a very rare occurrence for which abortion is not an option” Says who? Just because you say so doesn’t make it true. You make a lot of fallacious claims.
The only consolation is ( and its a small one indeed ) is that there’s one less anchor baby. I wonder who was advising her on her legal rights. The abortion makes it so much easier to deport her.
This is an important point people who oppose abortion might want to consider. The bulk of abortions happen to people you don’t want reproducing, anyway. Do you want someone who indiscriminately has sex, creates babies, & wants abortions because she either doesn’t want to or can’t afford to or is incapable of raising a baby to be forced to have a baby with her (& his, whoever the father is, & in some cases it could be a rapist) genes to populate our country further? Think about it!
you need to think about how fallacious are your comments. Pregnancy from rape is statistically insignificant (3k per FBI stats) and more than half opt to keep the pregnancies. Abortion is almost NEVER medically necessary and that claim is an excuse to evade the consequences of casual sex. I was told by a doctor it was “medically necessary” to terminate my pregnancy, because I was “short” and the by would be retarded because I was “old”. He was playing God the devil. I had an easy pregnancy, easier delivery without medication and a very healthy baby who grew up to be very smart, attractive, tall productive person. You think about how stupid and illogical YOU are. Abortion is wrong and NOT a Constitutional right. Even those idiot justices who said so, ALSO said that if Congress passes the life at conception act, that RvW is void. Even Roe decries the decision –
You made the right decision for yourself, & I’m glad you prevailed over that misguided doctor. But I don’t think that you have the right to make that decision for other women in similar predicaments.
Your opinion about my RIGHT is silly and stupid and illogical. I have the right to express my opinion about the immorality and stupidity of claiming abortion is a Constitutional RIGHT. It is not and the SCOTUS decision in RvW was not a valid one and was substantially reversed in subsequent decisions acknowledging the power of the States to regulate and limit abortions.
Women who wanted abortions always got them. The rate of abortions due to claims of rape exponentially increased in the first few yrs after RvW. A lot of men went to prison for rape unjustly. Now, thanks to the bigotry of PP, abortion on demand is the rule and PP makes a huge profit on killing black babies. Perhaps you don’t KNOW the truth about the founder of PP, Sanger, who hated blacks poor immigrants and went out of her way to commit genocide, esp towards blacks. THAT is what you support, with specious opinions and a political, not legal or constitutional, SCOTUS “opinion”.
Of course, you have the right to express your opinion, but remember it’s just your opinion, not law or truth.
Yet you said I was “denying” others their right to choose. Hypocritical much? Illogical for sure….SCOTUS decision in RvW is also NOT law and was virtually gutted by 3 subsequent decisions allowing/mandating states’s rights to limit and regulate abortions. Some “right” to murder you espouse.
Remember, YOUR opinion is just that, an opinion that flies in the face of law, history, fact and the Constitution as explained by the Founders.
I didn’t say you were actually denying anybody, but you surely are advocating for such a denial, & my point is that I think that no woman should be forced to give birth to a baby she doesn’t want or can’t afford. It’s her body, so it has to be her decision.
Bull. YOU are advocating for abortion. I did NOT advocate for denying any Constitutional right.
So you are okay with “doctors” who encourage abortions, deliver the head and thrust a knife into the brain or snip the spinal column or deliver alive babies and leave them to die on a cold dirty table?
If it is her body alone, why can a woman be charged with child abuse, for taking drugs during pregnancy or charged with murder for delivering and abandoning a old baby? Why did the woman get pregnant in the first place? If it is her body and she does not WANT to have a baby, why did she risk pregnancy in the first place? NOT the baby’s fault she is an immoral creep who won’t take responsibility and/or is manipulated into an abortion by the lies and immorality of abortion advocates…..
Why? Sometimes it’s rape or sexual abuse. And even if it was for some foolish, thoughtless reason, do you really want that kind of woman (& man) reproducing, especially when she doesn’t even want to care for a child? The fortunes of such a fetus, should it be forced to be born, are very dim, & often become one of poverty & crime. Are you happy if a forced birth child becomes a mass murderer? Wouldn’t you say it was better that that child had never been born at all? We have far more people than our world can sustain, anyway!
Not the baby’s fault. You must be an eugenicist to make such a specious argument. Out of 64 mill pregnancies (FBI figures) less than 3k are from rape. It is NOT medically necessary.
That argument is Sanger’s eugenics argument. the poor or black or italian or irish should not be reproducing, because the future is “dim”. Specious, immoral and idiotic, illogical, irrational. The “doctors” told my niece her 2nd child would be severely retarded and tried to make her abort. She did not, and the child is genius level intelligence, extraordinarily beautiful and healthy.
Nobody is “forced” to be born. Abortion is forced termination.
Not the baby’s fault it became a mass murderer? I don’t care whose fault it is — but at least part of the fault lies with whoever prevented the mother from getting an abortion. The additional innocent lives lost because of the existence of that unwanted fetus becoming a mass murderer is what’s important.
I stand by my arguments.
ASSuming again! Which “mass murderer” was born to a poor woman or unwanted or from rape or without a father to grow up? Hitler was born into a middle class family, presumably wanted (prove otherwise).
How about Stalin, Lenin, or the terrorists who have committed mass murder in the US? Which one was UNWANTED?
It’s not 100% of course; nothing ever is. But the probability that an unwanted fetus becomes a criminal is far greater than for a desired & cared for baby.
In your specious and uninformed opinion, only. Menendez brothers, the uni bomber, ME terrorists (their religion of peace prohibits abortion and mandates death to homosexuals). Is it POSSIBLE any baby from any circumstance grows up and becomes a criminal? But “mass murderer” simply by being born to someone who does in your imagination not want the baby after birth, is not even probable. For one, if not wanted (and every woman I know who thought they did not want the baby before birth, loved and nurtured the baby afterwards) the child is placed elsewhere.
Your “logic” is non existent.
You have heard of “welfare moms” have you not? The more children they have the more money they get. No abortions for them-do they WANT those children-do they care for them? Even PP stats show that most of the abortions they perform are on middleclass women, especially black single women, for reasons of economics, not health.
The unwanted kids are generally placed in foster homes, traveling from 1 to another as they grow up. If they’re lucky, they’ll be adopted at some point, & if they’re even luckier, the family that adopts them won’t be abusive & will keep them. But not so many are that lucky.
Many of those against abortion are also against birth control of any kind, & against the distribution of contraceptives to poor countries, where overpopulation is a huge problem. Overpopulation is a major reason for many if not most of the major problems this world faces, but you are happy to populate the world with countless unwanted, uncared for, impoverished, miserable children
And the mothers never considered abortion, because if they wanted one, they are available.
You are still ignoring the point that just because YOU think a child is unwanted, that does NOT mean that the child will be a mass murderer (or criminal) or that abortion would prevent a mass murderer.
Criminal is NOT equal to “mass murder” and there are all levels of “crime”. Supposedly “white collar crime” is the most prevalent.
“white collar crime” You mean the one the Republican Party & Democratic corporatists support, repeatedly letting perpetrators get away with their crimes, scot-free?
How do you KNOW that the baby not aborted is unwanted and how do you know that the child knows it unwanted and how do you know that the child is more likely to become a mass murder? What is the statistic from the FBI about the significance of mass murder? It is less than 1% of all murders, even including non citizen terror attacks.
Once again, you are illogical and without fact. Perhaps it is significant that you changed your tune from “mass murderer” to criminal, but even that won’t wash.
You ASSume a great deal, and that is prima facie evidence you are illogical.
You are the personification of “illogical”. Since you have no ability to interpret statistics, it’s useless trying to explain it to you.
You stand on quicksand if you think you have any valid “arguments”. Nothing you have said is a logical argument, just specious opinion on no facts but your imagination
Since you have no capacity for reasoning, whatever you say is meaningless.
That does apply to you, ASSumer.
NO, NO and NO. I would make an exception for post birth adult abortion in the case of the insanely illogical and specious reasoning like yours. Why do you assume that mass murderers were poor and unwanted? Who are you-God? Is your motto, kill all 3rd world babies and sterilize all poor women and let God sort it out? What is your excuse for the Menendez brothers born rich, or OJ born middle class, celebrated football player, the uni bomber (harvard)?
Neither is YOUR opinion, law or truth and it flies in the face of the values of the FOUNDERS of our republic established to protect the individual rights FROM the government. SCOTUS cannot make law or establish rights. Abortion is not a right, constitutionally or otherwise.
What hypocrisy! You want the government to intrude into an individual’s right to make her own decisions about her body.
No, I want the government to NOT intrude into MY rights. SCOTUS had NO right or power to assert as constitutional a right that denies life, liberty and pursuit of happiness to anyone.
If a person, male or female makes a decision about his/her “body” that intrudes on another’s rights to life, liberty or pursuit of happiness, or denies freedom of religion, speech and association, then that decision is immoral and criminal.
Abortion does not affect just a woman, but the man and the incipient life. Nothing you have said about decisions, and mass murderers and criminality or abuse (lots of “wanted” children are abused and abortion does not prevent that) justifies abortion or SCOTUS specious finding of a right in “penumbrae” (sp).
“No, I want the government to NOT intrude into MY rights.” Very telling. Your selfishness is so irrepressible that you screechingly demand your own selfish rights while trampling on other people’s rights.
I trample on NO ONE’s rights, but you deny my right to express my opinion and insist on “rights” and justifications that have no basis in morality, Constitution, law, logic or rationality.
You are the selfish one, trampling on the rights of all in defense of the indefensible.
Who is denying your right to express your opinion? You’re expressing your opinion all over the place; in fact, you’re following me around, expressing your opinion at every opportunity you have.
Of course, you might as well take advantage of it while we still have freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is a right that Trump would gladly take away from us if he could.
Straw man fallacious argument. I have not made any decision for anyone, but my c onclusion drawn from study of law, history, the Founding is that abortion is NOT a right, is Sanger’s legacy of genocide, is both unlawful, immoral and contrary to good sense, logic rationality, civil society freedom and equality.
Again that’s just your opinion.
Who or what is Sanger?
Again, YOUR opinion is flawed and ignorant. Sangerwas a racist eugenicist who FOUNDED PP. She HATED blacks and attempted genocide on blacks and immigrants and made common cause with the KKK,.
I don’t know where you got your information from (but I’m sure it is from right-wing propaganda of some kind), but I do thank you for bringing this person to light for me. I looked her up on a site that is politically neutral, Wikipedia, & I learned what a truly extraordinary, admirable, courageous, conscientious woman she was, enduring so much abuse to stand up for the reproductive rights of women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
In a quite detailed history about her, there is no mention of any affinity for eugenics. She was concerned about overpopulation & how it led to poverty, famine & war, making her very prescient for her day.
And as to being racist, quite to the contrary, she worked in black neighborhoods with black community leaders to ensure that they had adequate access to contraception. An excerpt:
Sanger worked with African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York’s Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[75] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, The Crisis.[76][77][78][79] Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects.[80] Sanger’s work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[81]
From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people. Sanger, over the objections of other supervisors, wanted the Negro Project to hire black ministers in leadership roles. To emphasize the benefits of hiring black community leaders to act as spokesmen, she wrote to Gamble:
We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
New York University’s Margaret Sanger Papers Project says that though the letter would have been meant to avoid the mistaken notion that the Negro Project was a racist campaign, conspiracy theorists have fraudulently attempted to exploit the quotation “as evidence she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will”.
Aha! That’s where you got your misinformation! Typical!
Aha! YOU got false information. I learned of her record when I was a lib dem pro abortionist BEFORE RvW FROM lib/dem/prog pro abortion feminists. Sanger is well known for, and lauded for her Malthusian eugenics (adopted wholesale by the Nazis and applied to all “undesirable races” that she identified) and her relationship with the KKK and the Black project, which was sterilization/abortions for blacks. The current push by PP and their record of abortions among black women (60% of all abortions performed on black women)
Typical of you to ignore the context and blame it on conspiracy theorists. Of course PP wants to white wash (pun intended) Sanger’s reality. The proof is in the bald, vile, specious activities and lies and fraud of PP and the uses to which her eugenics have been put.
Wow! You are really nuts!
Ad hominem again. Specious and fallacious logic.
You love to use those words you misunderstand & use inappropriately, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that you will believe whatever outlandish claim the right-wing propaganda machine makes.
I am not a “right winger” and you are engaging AGAIN in ad hominem attacks. It is hardly “outlandish” to oppose abortion, especially using PP’s own stats.
Well, you strike me as an hysterical woman constantly enraged & ready to believe whatever outrageous things you hear that fit your narrow-minded beliefs, & lash out at whoever won’t accept your inanity.
You are looking in a mirror.
Your specious perceptions about me are patently and obviously false. You strike me as a man who has not a clue about women, hormones, statistics or facts.
I did not lash out at you-you lashed out at me, saying my opinion about abortion was denying others their “rights”. You strike me as a lib/dem/prog without an ounce of rationality, which is, statistically speaking, redundant on my part.
You are redundant, I’ll give you that. Redundant in the extreme!
That is your reply? No logic, no point by point refutation? Looking in the mirror again?
I already refuted you in the previous statement, & in the face of your denial, I stand by those comments.
You refuted NOTHING. You have no facts, just specious opinions and you failed to address a SINGLE point or fact or opinion I expressed.
An unwanted child (how do you know with the 10’s of millions of abortions perfored since RvW) will become a “mass murderer”? Your conclusions, opinions and illogic and irrationality are obvious and horrifying.
I can only conclude that you are an immoral, unthinking, uneducated, unfeeling lib/dem/prog (redundant I know since lib/dem/progs are in general deserving of those adjectives).
I said the probability is much greater, but since you have no understanding of statistical probability, it means nothing to you, & you make these deranged accusations.
No you did not, and the “probability” is NOT greater. You have NO evidence or statistics that will support that deranged accusation.
Nice to know that I’ve helped you expand your vocabulary.
You are vocabulary deficient and illogical. You have NOT “expanded” anything.
Wikipedia “politically neutral”? That would be funny if not so tragically stupid. Who do you think writes each article? Nobody “neutral”. Each is written by an advocate. Read Obama’s white wash job on Wikipedia sometime. Hardly “objective” or “politically neutral”.
I was “poor” also but I and my baby lacked for nothing important to health and happiness. So much for anyone judging who is fit to reproduce.
The difference is you wanted the baby. You wanted it so bad that you took a risk, defying your doctor’s advice, & got lucky with the result. And now that the result for you turned out so good, you want to insist that every mother make the same decision as you did. But not everybody in your situation will have your luck. And not every pregnant woman has the desire for a baby you had.
No, I did NOT want to be pregnant at that point, but I took responsibility for my carelessness. It was NOT LUCK, but taking responsibility, developing morality, and making positive and moral and ethical choices.
You ASSumer!
Incorrect.
I didn’t say you wanted to be pregnant. I said that having become pregnant you wanted to have that baby, which is true according to what you told me.
The doctor, according to your comment, advised you to terminate the pregnancy because according to his assessment of your condition, he thought it likely the baby would turn out retarded, so It WAS luck that she turned out normal according to you. That doesn’t negate your assertion that you took responsibility & made an ethical choice according to your moral code, nor does it mean that somebody else wouldn’t choose differently according to her moral code. Giving birth to a likely retarded baby that she couldn’t adequately care for may under somebody else’s moral code be considered unethical.
BS to the max, ASSumer. The Doctor said a lot of things, I was too poor to care for a child, much less a baby, that a pregnancy would kill me, that my health would suffer, that I would have to go on welfare(I was told previously I could never get pregnant), that it would be “immoral” of me to raise a child as a single mother, that no man would ever want to marry me with a child in addition to what I already said. He exerted a lot of pressure even to the point of saying how expensive pregnancy care was (for him) and how much cheaper an abortion he went on and on.
It was UNETHICAL for the dr to put his profit and greed (abortions paid better than pregnancy care) above the health and welfare of ME.
What “moral code” is involved in killing a fetus in utero (or partially out) for financial reasons? The doctor LIED about everything he said to me. There was NO risk that my child would be retarded. I was not too old, I was in exceptionally good health, my family history for as many generations as we had documented, was of multiple pregnancies, live births, no retardation. Both my maternal and paternal grandparents and great grandparents had families of 10-25 children, only 3 of whom failed to get to age 5 and the rest to old healthy age (90+ even during the depression) WITHOUT medical care at any point.
Supposed Dr Creed. First do no harm…..I know many women, one in my family, that had abortions. I’ve counseled many of them after. Without exception, they have regretted yielding to the pressure to abort. About 80% of them experienced medical issues, some chronic, as a result and many were infertile as a result.
You have no knowledge or logic on which to stand in your specious opinion that “women have a moral right to abort for any reason they choose” especially not to prevent mass murders.
Oh, God! 10-25 children! No wonder! Too bad nobody got to your family long before your ancestors populated the country with thousands of ignorant, nonsensical people like you. No wonder this country has been going downhill so long!
Proof of your illogic-more ad hominems. You sound like Sanger, the Malthusian eugenicist and incipient nazi and genocidal horror.
I have famous generals, admirals, west pointers, many officers in my ancestors, all the way back to the War of Independence. Others were farmers, ranchers and native Americans. Most were named after presidents, not one a dud or a criminal and many had real educations, not like the public school products who cannot stick to a point and employ only logic fallacies.
Most of the Founders came from very large families and long lived healthy persons……who were educated. I’ll bet you know nothing of the Federalist Papers, or even the Commentaries on the Constitution written by Chief Justice Story.
With thousands of relatives, you’re bound to find a few you can admire.
You are appealing to GOD? Invoking GOD? All indications point to you as atheist. Don’t you know that children are considered a blessing?
My point, which you answered only with ad hominem attacks, was that the doctor(s) I dealt with refused to acknowledge my family history of successful pregnancies and healthy children. They LIED.
Is your God anything like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__khgIzMyaM
A fool in his folly denies the LORD. Knowledge of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom.
It’s the beginning of mindless obedience to authoritarian figures.
Not LUCK at all. The dr was a greedy liar and incompetent. He was trying to play god without any ability or knowledge to do so.
I did not want the baby, but I knew it was my responsibility to nurture and care for her and felt despite the immoral and illegal pressure he was putting on me, that I needed to protect the life within me. Most women not on drugs or under the undue influence of others, feel the same way. One dr tried to abort me without my knowledge (told me I was not pregnant but gave me pills “to bring on my period”. I almost died, the pregnancy survived) The next dr tried to get me to abort for all the specious reasons I have already detailed.
You are ASSuming again, that drs KNOW, but they have agendas, biases, and god complex. It is not called medical certainty, just medical practice, and I will not take any dr’s advice nor pills without my informed research. BTW, most women who get abortions do so in PP WITHOUT a doctor’s exam.
You seem to be very adept at finding what you consider incompetent & immoral doctors. I suppose that is the same with every other aspect of your life, including whence you get your information.
You seem awkward at twisting my words to suit your deranged irrationality.
The C does not say that? But in a way no kids no gang bangers….. STUPID GIRLS
It is time to clean out the court system. We have to many nut jobs thinking that if there is no actual law they can make the law themselves.
THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN TOTALLY SHREDDED. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ARMED REVOLT ? LIBERAL JUSTICES ARE WIPPING THEIR FEET ON THE LAW OF THE LAND, MAKING DECISIONS BASED ONHOW THEY “FEEL”. THIS IS WRONG .IT’S NOT WHAT I FOUGHT FOR . I’M FED UP WITH SESSIONS ,SCOTUS, THE FBI , DOJ , ALL OF THEM . THE CLINTONS BEND THE LAW. MUELLER IS DOING THEIR POLITICAL PROTECTION.
The constitution applies to everyone in the US, citizen or non-citizen. Always has. It just isn’t always applied. The constitution protects everyone’s right. Or it is suppose to. There are too many who are willing to throw away the constitution and rights because they hate some minority.
Complete B.S.
The Constitution applies to US citizens. Our rights apply only so far as they do not infringe upon another’s right. By your logic, and the far left, the right to kill a child usurps the right of the child to life.
Morality applies to everyone that is here, illegal or not.
The 14th amendment says otherwise. The man who helped write the amendment says so also. He would call you a liar.
And a fetus is still not a child. And the 4th amendment gives the right to the woman not to be pregnant.
If conservatives hate abortion so much, stop trying to do away with contraceptions and education which help prevent pregnancies. Per 1000 people blue states have fewer abortions than red states.
And don’t give me that tired old lie about conservatives not trying to do away with birth control. That was exactly what the hobby lobby judgement all about. It is what Trump did to make birth control harder to get. It is what happened when PP was closed in texas and they had a million more babies born because birth control was not available.
Morality is not something the republicans practice at all. By closing health care centers, texas now has the highest infant and mother fatalities in the developed world, equal to countries like somalia. That is immoral. Practiced by denying health care.
Birth control is very easy and very cheap to get. PP gets the pill free from the federal government and can pass it out for free.
Hobby Lobby as any organization has the right to not provide insurance that includes contraceptives and abortion. Not all or even most of their employees are women of child bearing age and it is so cheap and available, there is NO reason to mandate it for anyone, especially nuns (Little Sisters of the Poor) who DON’T want it. It is discrimination against men, women older and not sexually active.
The US which has the highest % of hospital births in the world, has always been woefully high in infant mortality. That has been the case since before RvW. Medical “insurance” is neither insurance nor health care. It is a fact that drug addiction has increased and true health care has diminished. Infant mortality and mother mortality is more tied to abortion and drug addiction than failure to provide “MEDICAL CARE”. Abortionist apologists frequently if not always refer to abortion as necessary medical care or health care. THAT is IMMORAL. No body has denied either healthcare or medical care.
I’ve read the Founding documents (inc the Federalist papers and Chief Justice Story’s Commentaries on the Constitution -1836) and never read anything about John Bingham. He is not a Founder. What amendment did he frame? because he had NOTHING to do with the Founding nor the first 10 amendments.
“protection” is not a “right”, just “protection” and medical elective procedures are NOT a “right” nor law.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/happy-birthday-john-bingham-one-of-americas-forgotten-second-founders
Actually protection is a right. You are guaranteed protection by the constitution for your rights. That was the whole purpose of the bill of rights, to protect the rights of people.
The supreme court decided that abortion is a right, just like many of our other rights. Strange that the founders didn’t make abortion illegal, since it was something done for thousands of years.
The 2nd amendment protects our rights. The 14th amendment is and has been misinterpreted, misused and mistreated. It does NOT mean illegals get constitutional rights, nor does it carve out special rights to sexual preference.
Abortion was for thousand s of years considered a pagan rite and abomination. Jews and Christians rejected abortion, abhored it, and made laws against it (English common law specifically) thousands of yrs ago. The US was founded by Christians (see Madison, Adams, Jefferson et al) and abortion was a sin andcondemned and most of the colonies had specific laws against. The Founders did not codify sins or crimes such as theft, murder, adultery in the Constitution because that is the province of the states and common law.
Again, your logic is fallacious,and just idiotic
SCOTUS did NOT make abortion a right like the 1st amendment. They cannot. Laws and amendments are the exclusive province of Congress. That is a fallacious interpretation of what SCOTUS actually said and 3 subsequent decisions clearly gutted RvW by giving States the power and the right to limit abortions.
Rights are not laws. Rights are given to us by the bill of rights, amendments , and the constitution. And according to the constitution, it is the judges who determine what are rights (they are not all defined) we have and what laws are constitutional. Congress passes and the judges get to interpret.
The 1st is only one amendment and the right to privacy of the 4th amendment is what the court used in their decision. That the government had no right to violate the privacy of an individual. As for jewish law, abortion was legal and stated so in the bible. Genisis 38 Tamar was pregnant and was to be put to death for conceiving a child. In Hosea 13:16, god threatens to kill the unborn. Numerous times in the old testament god gives permission to kill the unborn. Killing the unborn was only seen as a property loss.
The constitution doesn’t deal with law. But it does deal with rights and they could have stated that the unborn have rights such as the rest of us have. They didn’t do that. As for Jefferson, considering he wrote a new testament and wrote all the miracles out of it, doesn’t say much that he was a christian believer. He also wanted church and state to be separated and stated that. The founders deliberately kept religion out of government.
Considering that to christians all religions except judaism are considered pagan and people who practiced such religions were/are either to convert or die, killing the unborn of those followers have never been illegal according to christians.
English law is not thousands of years old. It wasn’t until the 17th century that abortion was made illegal in england. And it was legal under US law until the latter part of the 19th century. This was done by the medical field so that they could limit who did abortions to only doctors and was for business purposes.
There is no such thing as special rights unless you are not allowed to marry for some reason like gays were denied that right. Having the same rights as you does not mean getting special rights. The only people who have had special rights in the US have been white people, they get rights they deny to others. But the constitution says otherwise, that everyone gets the same rights. What you want to do is make sure they don’t get those same rights you enjoy.
And yes, actually the 14th amendment does say that illegals get the same rights as per the man who wrote the amendment.
Your final sentence is false and is ONLY the twisted deliberate misinterpretation of advocates posting on “lgbtqi….” websites. It is NOT the original Constitutional interpretation, not even by Bingham.
Homosexuals as people not their sexual preferences, have EXACTLY the same legal rights as everyone.
BTW, your interpretation of the Biblical stance on abortion is specious and false. Abortion was a pagan practice and abomination to Jehovah and His People. Tamar was not aborted.
Our Rights are inalienable and not subject to law. SCOTUS only “interprets” and judges LAWS as passed by Congress and only when challenged in lower courts and only if SCOTUS calls them up.
Scotus does NOT determine RIGHTS, only judges laws in terms of the Constitution.
RvW was gutted by subsequent decisions that restored the rights of the states to regulate abortion.
Actually English common law is thousands of years old. (Magna Carta) and what is the timeline from the 1600’s if not more than 1000 yrs?
Abortion was not legal until the 1900’s when a couple of states passed laws that Made it legal in those states. Nobody gets special rights except those that get welfare and twisting of laws to make their formerly illegal behaviors “legal”.
Bingham did NOT write the 14th amendment, He merely expanded the language after the fact, but it did not abrogate the Constitutional powers of Congress to determine naturalization. Illegals are NOT citizens, cannot be citizens and do not get the privileges of citizenship nor the responsibility.
He did not “craft” the amendment. He suggested some broadening of language which was not adopted in full. “ANy person” was not intended to apply to foreigners, who were not entering legally, or according to law.
NO scholar except revisionists and lgbtqi websites, state it to apply to illegals.
No he did NOT “craft” the 14th amendment, and your sources are the specious outlier interpretation drawn by the “lgbtqi community” to justify their illogical irrational attempt to force lasful approval their sexual preferences. Stupid.
Celebrities need to keep their stupid mouths shut before “Action!” and after “Cut!”.
Under the liberals understanding of the Constitution illegals have rights, and the U.S. Citizens none. Everything they do is never on placed for the State election. We have a run=away State Govt. We are in trouble. Pray for Justice.
All these liberal judges need to be removed from the bench. They seem to think they can make the law whatever they want it to be. She should have been escorted right back across the border to have her abortion in Mexico. Illegal immigrants have no rights in the US. There is no reason for all of these abortions. There are many places in the US where a girl or woman can obtain B.C. very inexpensively, and in some cases free. There are very few instances where abortion may be the reasonable choice. Things like rape or a serious congenital abnormality, but many of these women are not taking care of their own bodies. It is physically harmful to a woman’s health having repeated abortions, not to mention the murder of the infant. People need to take responsibility for themselves.
Phyllis Schultz, youmust be one of those uneducated/propagandized fauxbots. – https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=7y8mWsjLN6SijwSd4oL4CA&q=Free+birth+control+denied+by+states&oq=Free+birth+control+denied+by+states&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30k1l7.1947.14697.0.15535.38.30.1.6.6.0.221.4042.0j28j1.30.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.35.4181.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i20i264k1j0i20i263i264k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i22i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.114.xUKf_zIU2ak “Murder of the infant?” who is murdering infants? When did a fetus become an infant? You should take a biology class.
Excuse me infant may have been an incorrect term, but a fetus is a living organism at time of conception, therefore the term murder is appropriate. In fact abortions don’t take place at conception, which makes it even more horrific. I have taken Biology, Microbiology, and Anatomy and Physiology courses.
Phyllis Schultz, how many unwanted, abused, needy “infants” have you adopted? None would be my guess. If YOU’RE against abortion don’t have an abortion. Abortion is currently legal in this country. (for now) Quit sticking your nose in others business. The decision to have an abortion should be made by the pregnant woman and her doctor. Take care of your own business. I’d be willing to bet you’re a republiCON. You know, those creeps that scream about keeping the government out of their lives but they have no problem trying to control the lives/decisions of others. I’ve read many stories of anti-abortion freaks that run to an abortion provider when their unwed teenage daughter or mistress gets knocked up. The hypocrisy of republiCONS and anti-abortion people knows no bounds. NO, “murder” isn’t appropriate. Maybe you should enroll in a law class.
Bad logic, fallacious and unreasonable. If a woman does not want a child, then don’t risk pregnancy. Case solved. Nobody has a God given right to have unlimited sex without consequences. Freedom demands responsibility and acceptance of the consequences of your actions.
The hypocrisy of the pro abortionists know no bounds.
There are states that have laws that ascribe murder of a pregnant woman to murder of her “fetus” also (2 counts of murder). Bravo to those states and prosecutors. Maybe you should actually learn what the law does and says. Apparently you are unaware of the murder charges and convictions of abortion doctors for delivering the heads and snipping the spinal cord or thrusting a scalpel into the brain and destroying the brain or delivering a child alive and letting it die (it took hours in a cold room on a metal table) or killing the woman in the process of cutting up a baby in the womb, and failing to remove all the parts.
You need to “take a class”. A heartbeat and pain receptors can be detected at 9 wks. I know of 2 men, now 70 yrs old who were born at 24 wks and not only survived but were geniuses. And, RvW ruling did say clearly, that as soon as “modern medicine” could show differently, and/or Congress passed Life at conception law, that RvW would be null and void.
The founding fathers were well aware of the consequences of taking a life and other immorality practices.
Ancient Rome paid dearly for sacrificing their children, and dumping them on the garbage dump. The callapse and downfall of the ancient Roman Empire, was the cost of taking a life, and sodomy. The Historians of that day, had much to say about these things. See – The writings of Pliny the younger..
I can assure you of one thing: Those that support and take the life of children, are cursed with God’s judgment.
Build the wall and remove all illegals from this country would be a good start. Next we need to start enforcing the laws of this country as they are written and not how some liberal judge wants to bend the law. If these liberal judges can’t enforce the law as written then they need to be removed.
The girl is here ILLEGALLY, why was she not sent back to here home country for the abortion ?
No worries mate, everything that man has screwed up will be straightened up by a much higher authority than these bozos that preside over these kangaroo courts . Everything , and I mean everything will be back to normal and those that screwed up the program on purpose will be shown the errors of their ways .
Our justice system or so call justice system has been hijacked by the communist globalist years ago, as we stood by and let them continue to destroy America. Just remember all those John children in uniform today or fighting for him losing battle because the enemy is within ! This is who they need to be going after and if they have any rogue officers that are pushing them left they should be brought down to, as they are a disgrace to all who died for this great nation!
Nice job RINOS , why is this lunatic on the bench at all ?
I’m against abortion but look at this case this way, one less citizen anchor baby, maybe just maybe that’s what the court was trying to do!.
Hey Alyssa. She’s not an immigrant. She’s an ILLEGAL immigrant!
The woman was being held in capitivity like a livestock breeding animal. Yes, this really is how Religious Right conservative men view women.
I am a woman and she CAME here illegally and pregnant. She was NOT in captivity to breed….
It’s things like this that show just how mentally ill those on the left are. Abortion is not in the constitution at all. Neither is marriage, education, labor or agriculture. Where the left get their info is truly baffling. Take Maxine Waters for instance. That mental giant is proposing impeachment against Trump. For what? He has done absolutely zero to get impeached. The left are showing their true colors. One is that they want to take away American citizens rights starting with the 2nd amendment. Two, they make stuff up that is not in the constitution. Three they are sore losers and four they are a bunch of mentally ill people whose main desire is to control other people. To those on the left I say get the hell out of my life and my business.
SO IT IS SAID DOESN’T MAKE IT SO!!!!
fake bull shit news
It is really hard to wrap my mind around this utterly STUPID decision made by an utterly STUPID and GODLESS court. All I can say is…..If these UTTERLY STUPID decisions keep coming out of these UTTERLY STUPID and GODLESS courts and the UTTERLY STUPID judges don’t change their ways….one day they will stand before GOD and they aren’t going to like the RIGHTEOUS decision handed down by Him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. There won’t be any appeal either!
The Constitution only applies to legal entities of the Constitution. Illegal immigrants are not her legal entities.
Liberals are sick bastards, no doubt about it!
If you can find the Father cut him and this will not happen again, load up all of them and send them back where they came from! Is this an innocent child, what makes you think she was not forced or a working girl? Send them back (and family) to where they came from!!!!!!!!!!!!
She’s illegal…. send her home to GET her abortion if she wants one. How stupid do our courts have to be to make these asinine rulings?
We must rid ourselves of all of these Federal judges who think they are gods! They are the biggest causes of most of our problems as they interpret our Constitution to their own liking. Get rid of every single O’vomit appointee!
She broke our laws escort her a** across the border and dump her back where ever the hell! the leach came from, and she can take all her spawn with her! I am sick to death of us always holding the damned bag for every lowlife that crawls over the border. Put up a machine gun patrol, and they can target practice, that will keep them the hell out.
There are many Satanic Globalist New World Order ORGANIZED CRIME SYNDICATE members sitting on judicial benches throughout our nation. The secret servants of Satan have VERY HEAVILY INFILTRATED our government. They are the Deep State Swamp creatures that, hopefully, can and will be purged from every governmental position.
PRAY for all the secret servants of Satan to be removed from all positions of power, authority, influence, leadership, ownership and governmental positions everywhere throughout America and the world and BE REPLACED by God’s friends.
This is what their leaches cost us and you can blame the liberal courts and all the Communist Anti-American Democrats and even too many Republicans. This is exactly what the Democrats bring to every city and state they run. 🔥Illegal Aliens
ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NEED DEPORTED! Including the DACA, who incidentally the majority are grown adults, who had plenty of time to fix their problem and chose not to. Including children that were dumped over our borders as unaccompanied children, and those who ended up in gangs. Their parents didn’t want them, well we don’t either! Our laws are not confusing for anyone but a Communist Democrat and their supporters, and Paul Ryan! ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS.
If illegal aliens are so great, let them go back to their own countries and make them great. Make it all they want to steal from Americans. I am so sick of these users and those anti-Americans who are fighting to abuse Americans. All bills down to the penny that these illegal aliens cost America should be put totally on the Communist Democrats who are fighting to keep them here. You would see how quickly they would back off.
Send these DACA “kids” that we PAID to educate back to their own countries, so they can be a positive force on their countries. Let them contribute to rebuilding their country and STOP THEIR CITIZENS FOR STEALING INTO AMERICA!
Immigration costs hit us on countless levels: whites don’t care what color the illegals are, they could be purple with two heads, and it would not be relevant. The objection is that as a debtor nation close to bankruptcy, illegals are a heavy burden we cannot afford and are not responsible for, as those people belong to foreign countries.
Our struggling middle class is supporting everyone, and the illegal aliens never stop coming. We pay for the birth of their children and educate them clear through college, while our children are driven into massive debts for life for their educations. They are living off our welfare, our medical system, they drive up our rates on everything they don’t pay their fair share on, they are wear and tear on all our country’s infrastructure the list goes on and on.
MON, NOV 7th
A new authoritative study released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reveals that the federal government would have to immediately raise taxes by $1.29 trillion in order to cover the fiscal losses created by those illegal aliens and their children who receive amnesty. This would also need an immediate lump sum of over $15,000 on average per household in order to cover the future costs. They also drive down wages for American citizens. Illegal aliens are the gift that never stops giving, hear my sarcasm.
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/nas-study-reveals-amnesty-could-cost-taxpayers-129-trillion
California for example is considered an illegal alien magnet with 34 percent of the nation’s welfare recipients. State and local spending on welfare programs in California are expected to reach $38.6 billion while the state’s long-term debt load approaches $500 billion. The business and tax climate in California is horrific and getting worse. In 2011, 73,000 companies both large and small – 5.2 percent of the 1.3 million total – fled the state in search of more business-friendly locales, or went belly up.
Illegal immigrants are a major drain on our healthcare system. Some studies conclude that hospitals in the Southwest spend as much as 15% of their total budget providing care for people who shouldn’t even be in the United States. At a time when we’re already struggling to get health costs under control, this is nothing less than a national outrage.
WARNING The Shocking Number of Illegals Stole Social Security Numbers | American Action News. We’ve all been warned about identity theft where thieves steal social security numbers to open credit cards under your name. Now there’s a new identity theft taking place you need to be on the look out for. A new report from the Washington Times says a shocking number of illegal immigrants have stolen social security numbers to steal American jobs.
Most illegal immigrants who pay taxes have stolen someone else’s legal identity, and the IRS doesn’t do a very good job of letting those American citizens and legal immigrants know they’re being impersonated, the tax agency’s inspector general said in a new report released Thursday. The theft creates major problems for the American citizens and legal foreign workers whose identities are stolen, and who have to deal with explaining money they never earned. They are also driving down American wages!
Yet the IRS only manages to identify half of the potentially 1.4 million people likely affected by the fraud in 2015, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration said in its report. Read more at http://americanactionnews.com/articles/warning-the-shocking-number-of-illegals-who-stole-social-security-numbers
Furthermore they are bringing highly infectious disease epidemics: Polio, Leprosy, TB, Measles, Scarlet Fever, drug resistant Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A, to name but a few; because they were not inoculated from birth. Those coming from Africa, where 70% are infected, bring HIV/AIDs, a dreadfully deadly disease with massive exposurerisks and expense into America, and now Monkey Pox too. Then we have those from Syria bringing in a flesh eating disease that can take THREE YEARS to show itself.
Moreover, those coming across the Mexican border, hundreds of thousand YEARLY are indeed rapists, murders, drug deals, and criminals. I checked the government stats on that myself. They are also ISIS, as the drug smugglers have told us they have been bring them in. Open borders are deadly to Americans and America.
•According to statistics published by the Department of Justice this week (May 2017), nearly 1/4 of the U.S. federal prison population is comprised of foreigners – more than half of whom have deportation awaiting them when they complete their sentences. —Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies said the figures should shock any American who cares about enforcing U.S. law.
They are destroying our national parks. A nonprofit group dedicated to protecting all native wild animals and plants has published a detailed report documenting how illegal immigrants crossing through the 350-mile Arizona-Mexico border have destroyed hundreds of acres of national forests and their habitat. American taxpayers will dish out $63 million to clean up 25 million pounds of trash and human waste left by illegal immigrants who cross through federal and state parks during their trek from Mexico to the U.S. In yet another solid argument for securing the southern border, American families planning to visit national parks are being warned of the imminent danger created by Mexican drug and immigrant smugglers. —Judicial Watch
Also one cannot discount the fact that they are liars, cheats and thieves, when they break our laws to come here by cutting in front of all those legally coming to our country. Immigrating requires time, money, and good will. Those honorable people are what we look for, NOT those who show no respect for us, our laws or processes.
It is bad judicial decisions. It is not interpretation of the constitution, they make up their own rules and laws. It should not be tolerated, but the deep state knew once they made their implants, per years of planning, that it would take anyone a long time to get them out.
That Judge needs to be fired. It is illegal to give a girl from another country an Abortion.
abortion is not spoken of in the Constitution, reread it
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are God given rights as listed in the Dec of Ind. which is the foundation of the Constitution.
Just where in the U.S. Constitution does it say anything about abortion? Perhaps I missed something but having read that document several times I didn’t see anything about that. Our founding fathers probably didn’t even know about that sort of thing. Just another crooked thing the so called liberals in this country who are nothing but a bunch of Socialists (Communists) who pass themselves off as Democrats have dreamed up to screw things up for the people, both citizens and non citizens who’re here LEGALLY.
These trash federal judges need to go….There is nothing in the constitution that says a federal judge is allowed to bypass the constitution. Another Obama appointee…TRASH
Since the constitution was purely a secular document, Jefferson urged Madison to include a Bill of rights, which was done.As such, we need to adhere to the Bill of Rights. But only the first amendment deals with matters of religion. None touch on abortion. Therefore the rights of people take precedent. Thus the constitution is not without flaw. Christians know that but there is not much we can do except stand on our Biblical principles. That principle is that God alone has the rights to birth and death. Humans do not.
It was George Mason who demanded a bill of rights. Madison thought the entire Constitution was an entire bill of rights.
The Dec of Indep is the foundational document of the Constitution. If there is a flaw, it is the interpretation that men without religion and morality make of it. The Founders were Christian (98% of the Convention identified as Christian via denomination) John Adams and George Washington were clear that the Constitution and the Republic which it formed were made for a religious and moral people, that it was unsuitable for any other.
Abortion was/is a pagan practice and therefore condemned by the Judeo/Christian ethic. Children were and should be prized, not thrown away like garbage.
RvW was flawed and based on “penumbrae”. There is no right to destroy any life at any stage. All have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If you don’t want to have a child, don’t engage in practices that will risk pregnancy.
floral,
As a historian who spent several years in Williamsburg, VA, I did a a lot of studying at the College of William and Mary, Jefferson’s old alma mater. I have spent a lot of time on all the original document creators as well as the past years of the Continental Congress that met at Williamsburg. Yes, George Mason was urging for a bill of rights. Thomas Jefferson was in France at the time of the finalization of the Constitution. Since Jefferson and Madison were neighbors in Virginia, they were close friends. James Madison sent him a copy.
Jefferson responded by insisting on a bill of rights since the whole Constitution is secular. Madison and Alexander Hamilton prepared what became the Bill of Rights that is in the Constitution. With George Mason and George Washington urging a bill of rights, it got added to the Constitution. Jefferson reviewed the Bill of Rights and supported it by urging others to adopt it. They did. The First Amendment was certainly not a total secular document. It is straight forward and to the point on religion. The Second Amendment is the teeth of the First Amendment. I am glad both are there. Now we are gaining on real judicial help that is going to create a new view of legislation; that being a literal view of the will of the writers of the Constitution. No more drummed up modern “intent” cooked up by leftists.
I agree with that and nothing I wrote contradicts that. Madison DID think the entire Constitution was a bill of rights. Jefferson merely tipped the scales and Madison came around, but Jefferson was NOT the main or initial influence.
floral,
I did not mean to suggest that Jefferson was the one and only influence on James Madison. But being a good friend he did write the following to Madison:
“On receiving it (Constitution), I wrote strongly to Mr. Madison, urging the want of provisions for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, trial by jury, habeus corpus, the substitution of militia for a standing army, and an express reservation to the States of all rights not especially granted to the Union”.
The writings of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew A . Lipscomb, editor, The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904, Vol.X, p. 325, to Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Joseph Priestly, June 19, 1802. This is on line.
The constitution says all foreign invaders are subject to to being taken care of by all citizens and all lawyers cannot hold any office of trust. Judges are nothing but sleazy lawyers in a robe.
That makes no sense. The Constitution is clear that foreign invaders or anyone who has allegiance to a foreign country is not eligible for citizenship esp not their offspring who may be born here.
I don’t see anywhere that lawyers cannot hold political office. Most judges do seem to be failed lawyers.
I think Illegal’s have a right to only ONE service. A free ride home.
I just want to ask the Obama judge if she is the one who paid for the abortion. It sure as heck should not have been paid for by the tax paying CITIZENS of this country.
Don’t forget, Liberal Courts can enshrine anything that makes them feel great and powerful.Even if it is wrong. Today Liberal Judges are even able to glide back in time to speak with the framers of the Constitution. Making sure the Framers meant to include all Liberal Court Decisions.
The REAL Problem is that American citizens tolerate this sort of thing instead of going after our elected officials who not only allow but legislate laws giving illegals any rights at all ! Illegal aliens have NO rights.
I’ve always understood that “Equal Protection” is afforded only to US Citizens, not to illegal immigrant freeloaders.
Why do all of you Trumpanzees hate our veterans? –
Earlier this week, Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin and HUD Secretary Ben Carson announced they were cutting a $460 million program designed to reduce veteran homelessness.
At a time when Republicans in Congress are working on passing legislation that would add $1.5 TRILLION dollars to the deficit, this decision is not just immoral, it is inhumane.
This is a program, the Housing and Urban Development-VA Supportive Housing (HUD-VASH), that according to news reports, that “has helped cut the number of veteran homeless, serving 138,000 vets since 2010.”
And even on a financial level, it is pennywise and pound foolish. By cutting funding for a program that has been proven reduce veteran homelessness — a program that focuses on those who are chronically ill, have substance abuse problems, or need mental help — it just assures our communities will have to more than make up the expense in incarceration costs and emergency room visits.
Yesterday after the news of this cut broke, Secretary Shulkin was forced to backtrack. But honestly, who can really trust this administration. Make your voice heard:
Sign VoteVets petition calling on Secretary Shulkin to protect the HUD-VASH program that help homeless and dangerously at-risk veterans find homes and the support they need.
Estimates are that there are still 40,000 homeless veterans on the streets today. We still have a lot of work to do. But cutting this program moves us backward.
All my best,
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