If you were down on your luck, broke, and wondering where your next meal would come from, wouldn’t you be pleased if your neighbors came by with some food? Or would you react with indignation, looking through the groceries they brought to your door with greedy criticism? Bundt cake? I don’t like that! How come you didn’t bring me some DVDs? I know you’ve got money, Todd! Why didn’t you write me a check? Get out of my house, you bastards!
That scenario is so ridiculous that it’s hard to imagine even the most spoiled, sour adult reacting in such a way to charity. But somehow, when liberals complain about putting restrictions on welfare, no one calls it out as being just as ridiculous.
The latest whiner can be found in the pages of the Washington Post. Dana Milbank is aghast at the “humiliation” poor people are being subjected to in states like Kansas and Missouri. It is there that Republicans are trying to prevent people from using their food stamps for purchases that go well beyond anything reasonably covered by the social safety net. And that, says Milbank, is just awful.
In Missouri, House Bill 813 is intended to make it illegal for people to use their food stamps for “cookies, chips, energy drinks, soft drinks, seafood, or steak.” In proposing it, Republican state representative Rick Brattin said he was sick of seeing people use their EBT cards to buy “filet mignon and crab legs.” And even though almost anyone can recall a similar tale of welfare abuse, Milbank reacts as though it’s science fiction.
“This is less about public policy,” he writes, “than about demeaning public-benefit recipients.”
Milbank next takes aim at the Kansas legislature, which just passed a bill of their own limiting welfare cash withdrawals and forbidding recipients from using taxpayer money at places like liquor stores, movie theaters, casinos, theme parks, and so forth. These types of restrictions, he argues, constitute “punitive new conditions on the poor.”
Um, there is nothing in the law preventing these people from going to the liquor store. Nothing preventing them from spending their money in any way they see fit. But that’s the thing…their money. And the money on those EBT cards is not their money. Sorry, but it isn’t. And if they want to buy lobster, tickets to Disney World, and a big tub of popcorn at the local cinema, they are more than welcome to use their money to do so. Just like that ungrateful sap we talked about can spend his money on DVDs and something more appealing than bundt cake.
Of course, that analogy isn’t really fair. After all, that guy’s neighbors can stomp out of his house and take their food right back to their own families. In Kansas, Missouri, and everywhere else, the government puts a gun to your head and tells you to drop the groceries off with a smile on your face.
Democrats have never really evolved past that high-school-president method of campaigning, promising their lazy constituents that under their rule, there will be no homework, no tests, and lots of great snacks in the vending machine. Meanwhile, those of us who grew up a long time ago can only shake our heads and sigh.
Let the churches do it, and perhaps they will show some gratitude instead of contempt!
The churches do it now. They have programs like “Warm Nights” that are hypothermia centers in winter that provide food and cots to keep people off the streets at night. Some provide soap, tooth brushes, shaving cream, razors, stuff like that. Some provide diapers, baby food, etc in whatever way God is leading them. The goal is to give a hand up and they have job training and help find rooms and apts for families.
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The libtards do not like this solution. It takes the disbursement out of the hands of the benevolent government and puts in in the hands of those who really care.
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Correct!
And you actually believe that? Wow you are gullible
I worked in one of those about 10
years ago, for two years, in the basement of our church. It later moved to a bigger and better facility.
And I actually believe it too.
Beggers can’t be choosers, but the beggers need to acknowledge they are beggers first… That is the problem Everybody lies to themselves, because they stupidly don’t want their feelings hurt… MAN-UP already!
People who have not experienced real hunger and homelessness and throw moronic verbiage and vomit out there need a lesson on humility. Many of the hungry and homeless served and were willing to die for your ignorance.
And those are not the people crying about what can be purchased…
I have been homeless and broke. It was MY life choices that contributed to the situation. Yes I was in an accident that made me unable to work for a while. But as I has NO savings, and NO back up plan MY choices did contribute. The shelter I was in had 2 very different kinds of people. People like me who were GREATFUL for the help and support that I was given and those who felt they were OWED that help and support. There were 2 of us who were veterans. We BOTH fell into the first of those categories.
Thank you for your service (if you are who you are referring to) and now it is time to make better choices OUT of the service.
Apparently you had it good. A shelter? really?? A roof and a rack? When you hit bottom let me know otherwise you simply fail to see what I lived and experienced and as I already said you truly do not qualify
You missed the point Raymond. It’s not a competition to see who’s experienced the most pain. The point is that Americans don’t want to see welfare money wasted. I think most Americans are happy to help a person who’s down and out. We just don’t want to cast our pearls before swine and see them turn again to rend us.
No Bradley you miss my point mostly because you read it with malice in your heart. You have never been where I have. Where so many Vietnam veterans living on the streets of DC have. The person who responded to me lived in a Shelter lol that is pure comfort compared to the streets. I say again people who have no clue need to either get one or shut up
But you have a choice to go to a shelter or not. If you think shelters are fun, think about 40 men or women in the same room. Some not being grateful for anything. Complaining about everything. Just because somebody hasn’t had your experience doesn’t mean they haven’t been down. Most of us came from middle class homes where we believed something like helplessness doesn’t happen to someone who works hard and plays by the rules. Many there were women who lost their husband and because he took care of everything, they lost their home too, one in a fire with no time to grieve.
Another one without a clue chimes in. Have you ever even stopped and attempted to speak to some of these people you think you have expertise on? You can only respond in the negative. Try it! Then when you have an iota of what is going on we can talk until then please cease you embarrass yourself in front of people who know a little about the streets and the homeless.
I wasn’t suggesting that I know what it’s like to be where you’ve been, and I certainly hold no malice toward you or any other person who’s been on the street. That wasn’t the point of the article or my post. The topic at hand is government welfare. All I wanted to say is that if the government is going to force citizens to contribute to national or state welfare programs, they and the recipients of those funds ought to treat them responsibly and judiciously.
That we have no dispute on. But then there is one other form of welfare as well isn’t there?
More ignorance, hate and stupidity spewed by the idiotic liberal living “comfortably” in retirement with out a single clue about what he spews on and on about.
Take your own advice:
“please cease you embarrass yourself in front of people”
” when you have an iota of what is going on we can talk”
I asked this question before, but I
added it on to an existing post and
perhaps you didn’t get a chance to
read it.
The question goes something like
this. What has happened to you in
this life that makes you so vile and
so mean? No one is born like that.
something happened along the way
that made you the person you are
today, and it ain’t pretty.
I hope that whatever happened to you
you didn’t pass it on to your ki8ds.
Raymond: You have been one of
the most intelligent writers on this
forum. And I mean that in at least
two ways. First, you write complete
and accurate sentences. And
second, you know what you are talking
about, both as a compassionate
person and as one who has been
there.
I don’t know what your situation is
now, but don’t give up on yourself.
Dutch I was actually extremely fortunate and mamnaged to get out of the situation I was in. I got a job in fact two jobs, both full time. Now I have retired and am not rich but am comfortable. I will however never forget what I learned and what I boith saw and experienced. All these “professionals ” on here who think poverty and homelessness is lack of a steak are truly ignorant but they are a fine example of why this country is in such a state. Ignorance is not the way to improvement and doing nothing but forcing an opinion on someone solves nothing. I can’t help but laugh that when I express my opinion the ad homnem attacks for an opinion get to a point where some become obssessed with me and just start going beserk with insults while others actually go to threats, however when I question their posts I am oh so many things lol, none of them human ort good and then they expect compromise
I do understand. There are outlets willing to help. Bitterness can be changed. Do not look down, begin to look up and ask for help. Sounds naive and out of touch. I have never seen it fail. I did say never. That is a proposition that can only be fulfilled by God and Godly men and women who are commanded in his steps. Seek them out.
Mike saying you understand then proving you do not is insufficient, it really is. I give you the same suggestion I gave the other person inform yourself first then we can talk. You have no clue as to how many homeless will; refuse any help from you and I have found that to be more prevalent among veteran homeless. Some say it is pride some say it is mental illness, some say stubbornness. It is all three and more. Fear and mistrust play a huge role as well. Having been kicked in the teeth by society is not conducive to trust. So please it does sound somewhat naive. You may never have seen it fail but I have and I do not expect a mentally ill person to be able to do what you say they should.
Then all is lost. I have yet to find anyone so far gone unless they have a mental illness (no disgrace, no choice in the matter). You seem to be telling me that there is no answer for some. Then why bother with hopeless causes (that’s posed as rhetorical here). I will not comment further lest the issue be skirted around with a newer curve.
More asinine spew from the socialistic moron with no clue about facts or the truth.
Raymond are you a Vietnam vet?
Hey STUPID; Most of those SO-CALLED “Vietnam Vets” are fakers, grifters and low life druggies that NEVER served in the military let alone in Vietnam.
Take your own asinine advice:
” I say again people who have no clue need to either get one or shut up”
Pamela Dunn
US ARMY
1966-1969
“Americans are happy to help a person who’s down and out.”
Sometimes. I’m a disabled vet, and barely able to stand sometimes, unable to walk any distance, I had to sleep under a bush in a park (I bit through my lower lip when a junkie saw me asleep and kicked me; said it was his bush. Sadly, I’d already stomped him pretty badly by the time I woke up, and moving that way broke off MORE pieces of spinal disk), wash in gas station restrooms, and once had to steal the A200 Pyrinate (sp?) to get rid of the damned lice. Sometimes getting help was simply impossible, and I’ve gone DAYS, most of a week actually, without eating anything at all. There was no V.A. hospital near where I HAD lived, and the County Hospital was over 200 miles away. I HAD made it there – once. They gave me Motrin after a 13 hour wait (and another 3 hour wait at the pharmacy there) and then I had to make my way back home.
It took me over 20 years to finally find the help I needed, by which time no matter WHAT modern medicine can do, my damage, AND chronic pain, had long since become permanent due to the long delays without treatment. I also learned that I have SOME limits, at least. I’ll die before trying to panhandle. I almost did.
Bradley, in my opinion the best post on here, including my own.
Everyone has a different story. Bitterness is a repellent.
Been there; sleeping under a bush in a park, under an overpass (kinda drafty there)… Hell, there was one time I gathered what few supplies I could and headed out into the Mojave Desert for a few weeks. Then up into the mountains. Hunting and gathering, I found, needs a group. One person spends most of his/her time just finding food, and most people haven’t a clue what NOT to eat out there. As for shelters, those are for women, especially women with children. We guys can fight it out amongst ourselves for sheltered (at least one wall) spots. This society is dying, and I STILL think it’s been arranged that way.
Ian there is almost glamour in what you post. The streets of Boston had no glamour. the gnawing in my belly and the sleeping with one eye open and many other factors seemed to erase any and all glamour.
More FAUX claims from the usual liberal moron.
More spew from an ignorant moron that has no idea what it spews about.
I would give to you a part of my fortune in life. I give no compassion for the lout who demands my hard work. That is liberalism which fosters such entitled attitudes. The play candy man, but dangle you with a tacit rope around your neck for your vote.
Giving on the street? Don’t we mostly hesitate? Think of every charity as to an angel or the Son of God. Might it be? Give it with looking them in the eye, shake their hand, and say confidently, “do not disappoint yourself.” Or, take them to a good meal, you do not even have to stay, leave the money with the wait staff. Engage them, there are times when folks need someone to hear them out because no one else will, as much as they might need cash.
Most on the corners are drunks and druggies OR lazy bums scamming the public to pay for their new cars and easy life style.
Actually you cerebrally challenged moron many are vets
That is quite true. The challenge is to try to know how to determine the difference. It is not perfect. Some folks, in their “destitution” can be quite good liars. It is hard to do on the fly. Our church does an extremely large outreach. The vetting process used is probably as good as the best in law enforcment. Scammers can be quite innovative, but usually by half.
May God continue to bless you Mike, I say continue because of your kind heart and knowledge of why America is in this horrible condition, as you mentioned it is because of Liberalism.
Wow! I have to be more exact in my written output. I am not a liberal, far from it. I do not hate my, left of my views, counterparts. However, I remain intrigued by them. I am a conditional “hand up”, not a “hand out” sort of guy. My way of living comes from being a Christian and more the tenets of conservatism (not necessarily the GOP, who daily disappoint me and get zero contributions from me). I tend to be more long term oriented in my actions and reactions and consequences of same.
Perhaps some books, a few of many on the list, can better ID me.
Bible (stands to reason for me)
Christianity and Liberalism – May 15, 2009 – by J. Gresham Machen
Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed – Jun 17, 2014 – by Jason L. Riley
Democracy in America – Mar 25, 2013 –
by Alexis de Tocqueville
The Art of War – Sun Tzu – ~500BC (debatable)
…and one to come out soon that I only anticipate but can make no comment on now.
The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech –
May 11, 2015 – by Kirsten Powers
And nobody is talking about them.
90% OF THE HOMELESS ARE MENTALLY ILL. THEY CANNOT HOLD A JOB, OR EVEN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. YOU’LL NEVER SEE A HOMELESS PERSON ON FOOD STAMPS. THERE TO PROUD. I’M DIEING WITH AN INCURABLE DIEASE AND I’M 63 ON SSDI AND HOUSING. I KNOW ALL ABOUT GOING HUNGRY. I WAS AN AVIATION TECH. AND A FLIGHT ENGINEER. LOST ALL MY CERTS AND MY PILOTS LICENSE WHEN I GOT SICK. USED UP ALL MY RETIERMENT MONEY . IF I LOOSE MY HOUSING , I’LL BE HOMELESS AND WILL DIE ON THE STREET. DON’T GIVE ME THIS IGNORANT CRAP. THAT’S YOU RAY!!
disgusting explanation,paul
Paul I lived the streets and you are exactly what I was speaking of. I watched a man picking through a barrel directly across the street from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue an hour after a BBQ and a rally to feed homeless veterans. He pulled out a half eaten burger and devoured it. I tried talking to him. I did find out he was a vet and that he would not accept any help. I offered to take him somewhere to buy him a meal. His response was no, just a simple no. I offered him some money, his response was no. He said he had to go and he walked away. Little did I know that a short two years later I would be on the streets. So despite you I do understand
More lies and false claims. Usual liberal stupidity and lies.
Do youseriously believe you can overwhelm me with your massive ignorance? You are blatantly transparent and I am I must admit slightly amused.
SHUT UP.
Assistance is supposed to be meant for folks like you. I have a family member, no two, on SSDI. I give them cash because their SSDI can’t possibly make ends meet. But then you already know that, sadly. Those who get but do not need are getting what should go to you to lead a dignified life. This is a conservative position, not a gratuitous liberal administering of a failing program.
Mike you are reading things I am not saying but hey if it suits you then it suits you. I very plainly said I was homeless but not any longer I got what I needed and fought my way out of the dilemma I was in. However my memories remain
NO ray boy; You are and have spewed the SAME garbage and BULLSHYTE over and over, here and on other sites.
SO HAVE YOU. AND IT AIN’T PRETTY.
This is a conservative position, not a gratuitous liberal administering of a failing program”
The program is not failing. It is not
designed to be directly connected to
getting people back to work. We
have unemployment offices, training
programs, etc. for that sort of thing.
Food stamps are designed for one
thing. It is to keep people from
starving or from having to beg for
food on the streets.
You are using a broad brush like playing the race card on anything that does not suit. Think and hone your argument lest I think you are just a blurter inclined to put your fingers to keyboard before putting brain in gear.
And you would rather avoid the topic and try to take me down instead. Who is painting what and avoiding the issue?
I stand by my words. I have read ALL of your posts here. You seem to be comfortable in persecuted misery. If you don’t seek change from those offering help, then there is no hope at your own hand. No one with good intentions will force anything on you. You must show an infinitesimal sign of wanting help. I will sign off and read from now on.
Good idea. If this post is an
accurate example of your work, you certainly don’t make yourself well understood.
Raymond loves persecuted misery?
If you don’t seek change from those
offering help?
You must show an infinitesimal sign of
wanting help?
– – – – are you sober? – – – –
I would suggest that you are not only
quite wrong in your assessment of
of what Ambrozaitis wrote, but that
the broad brush analogy very much
belongs to the right wingers here.
Every poor person is a liar, who
cheats and steals, and uses drugs,
and is lazy – and is black, with an
occasional illegal thrown in. They
do bother to tell us that they have
no problem with those who are
genuinely in need of help, but of
course, they haven’t run into any of
those yet.
More stupidity and nonsense from someone that has NEVER suffered from what it spewed.
I don’t think you understand that those unfortunate people are not those we are complaining about, it’s the ungrateful career welfare crowd we are referring to at least in my case and the previous posts I’ve read.
While it seems you may be trying very hard and are quite possibly not intending harm. The story under the headline is objewctionable and lacks virtually any true comprehension fo the situation. It does not saycareer welfare recipients can not be humil;iated it says limiting free food is not humiliation. It is a very common failing to lump people then take the faults of a few and place them on everyone.
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Someone is feeding you, it behooves you to say thanks and nothing else.
Peeve them, they may stop feeding you.
It is true ignorance is bliss. Would you l8ike to discuss a Parable or two?
I have no intention of discussing it with you, you want to eat when you can’t or won’t work, take what they give you and say thanks.
You don’t want to do that, feel free to starve.
Ho wonderfully Judeo/Christian of you
I’m not Christian, liberal dem bloodsucker, aka American Jihadist
Oh want to see who is better at insults? You cerebrally challenged, money whorsipping, ass licking loser. I can play trust me, I can
OH look the moronic pig feces for brains liberal is now getting “angry”. The ONLY “cerebrally challenged” person IS you; TELL HOW much of your overly generous comfortable retirement do YOU donate to the poor? Now go lick your own ASS and kiss obama’s balls.
kiss obama’s balls. -hmmmmm
As for donating to the poor. I will bet
I donate more than you make.
I wouldn’t trust you to breathe oxygen, result of an incestuous one night stand between a liberal dem blooduscker and a giant river leech.
LOL. Thanks it felt good to laugh, and I agree with you.
Where DID I say you are Christian I said your behavior is Judeo/Christian and it is I cna post dozens upon dozens of vile behavior
The “vile behavior” is your own,
How wonderfully ignorant and asinine of YOU.
Which one; The one that says DO NOT FEED the LAZY .
Yes, Over and over you demonstrate your “BLISS”
Oh you poor, poor victim! F…k off
In North Carolina, EBT benefits cannot be used for anything except food, and in grocery or convenience stores. But no alcohol, cigarettes, etc. No paper products. If those things are rung up and then run on an EBT card, the shopper has to pay for the things that are not covered out of his own pocket. And no using it at the movies or McDonald’s.
But in North Carolina you can sell your food stamps for 50 cent on each dollar!! That’s takes care of the problem of buying your beer or cigs…you can even support your drug habits!! Granted your kids are a little hungry but that’s what the Churches free food will take care of! Problem solved!!
Well, that may be true, but I’m not around that type of activity. I’m sure it happens. I’m just telling you what the rules are.
All it takes to circumvent that is to make two or three purchases with food stamps that get you back just short of a dollar in change (one dollar is the smallest increment of Food Stamps, or it was), and keep it up until you have enough pocket change for a pack of smokes. When I was training for a convenience store management position, people did it all the time.
Nope. they don’t give cash back from an EBT card. Sorry! 😉 It’s all on the card. If you don’t use up all your benefits before the next month, it stays there and the new month’s benefit is added.
Aha. Well, that was back when there were actual Food Stamps. You’d get a booklet with different denominations in it, and the clerk would take out what was it took to pay for what you were buying. Anything under dollar got you change, tho.
They CAN withdraw CASH from an ATM you moron.
I’M a moron? You’re arguing with someone who lives in a certain county and is familiar with Social Services benefits. This is from the Social Services website under Food and Nutrition Services Program (formerly Food Stamp Program) DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING CASH FROM AN ATM???
The Food and Nutrition Services Program is a federal food assistance program that helps low-income individuals and/or families buy the food they need for a nutritionally adequate diet. Food and Nutrition Services benefits are issued via Electronic Benefit Transfer cards (EBT cards) that may used to purchase food at participating stores. These benefits cannot be used to purchase tobacco, pet food, paper products, soap products, toiletries, or alcoholic beverages. Applicants must meet eligibility requirements for income, household composition, citizenship/immigration status, work requirements, and resources.
http://www.rowancountync.gov/GOVERNMENT/Departments/SocialServices/EconomicServices.aspx
Now who’s the moron??
Now who’s the moron?? Pam, no doubt about it.
And she is also cranky and mean.
How much did cigarettes cost then? I
believe it was 35c a pack when I was in
college.
Trouble IS, They can go pull money OUT OF AN ATM to pay for all that stuff.
NO THEY CANNOT. SEE ABOVE – my reply to Ian McLeod who thinks I’m a moron.
This is very true. And some of that doesn’t make sense. Like, it
can’t be used for toothpaste or soap, tampons, or toilet paper.
Well, Dutch, when you look at what the program is for, then it does. It’s called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Benefit. Keyword: NUTRITION. Those other things are not for nutrition. It’s not like Medicaid or SSI benefits. :o)
I remember when I was stationed at Eielson AFB, AK and they told all personnel
including officers to go down and file for food stamps. Our pat was that bad
back in the late 70’s early 80’s. I knew one couple that filed and received
food stamps. I talked to the wife when i saw her at the commissary. She
was buying Steaks and Lobster’s. Her husband was a long haul trucker
and made very good money, she was a SSgt at the time and received $250
in food stamps. Based upon the scale I did not qualify since I did not have
enough debt and no children living with me.
People are not always truthful. I doubt she included her husband since he was gone most of the time and probably didn’t report his income. Alaska has such high prices, it had to be hard on you to be in the military then. The thing that bothers me is the able bodied people on disability. I saw this one girl many times carry a huge amount of bags out to a bus that was available as a taxi to the disabled. I would at least try to round up some more people to justify using all that gas and paid driver. There’s something wrong when masses of people under 50 are disabled in a small community.
I’m sorry but there have to be limits on what a person can purchase on the taxpayers dime. If you don’t they become comfortable in their situation. If they want the other things other than food, they need to find a job.
How true Elizabeth, and I’m sure that Jesus would agree with you.
Actually despite the fact I feel you are being sarcastic, you would be right. Jesus would agree with Elizabeth. A better understanding of scripture would help you understand that. Jesus required charity but gave very intelligent guidelines regarding it and the responsibility and accountability of those receiving it
These liberals that can’t understand that there are limitations on everything amaze me. Just like the up roar over urine testing for benefits. I have to be able to pass a urine test at any given time to work so why shouldn’t they have to pass to get freebees. We have limitations on what we can buy at the grocery store each week why should they not have limitations
The uproar was due to the fact that in every state that has done it they have found so few people violating the rules that it costs many times as much money to do the tests as they save. Isn’t being fiscally responsible and not wasting money a conservative value?
I’ll take your word. I have NEVER seen lefty leaders use this argument though.
Emily, why not do like they do with over-the-road truck drivers, have them subject to random sampling at ANY time. If they fail, they have to take a second test within 24 hours. Fail on second test and benefits are gone.
The costs if a truck driver has a problem could be huge. I don’t support people on welfare taking drugs. What I don’t like is that so far the programs have cost much more than they have saved. Are you saying that you think that the people on welfare that take drugs are such a danger that even if it costs a lot it is important that we test them for public safety?
The fact that there would be the potential for tests would be a deferent to a lot of people. There would not need to be as extensive testing as with the transportation industry, thus a less expensive program. I do think there needs to be accountability if they are going to be taking taxpayer money. If they can find money to buy drugs, they can buy their own food.
That is a theory that intuitively has some merit. Most states simply question the people and do not test everyone but it STILL cost more that it saved. I posted the results from where they did test everyone because that weeded out liars. I believe that it has turned out to be unconstitutional anyway so it is moot.
Emily, please give us a cite so that we can see where this has been proven. It isn’t that I don’t trust this information, it is just too illogical to comprehend. As the majority of posts here state, the majority of those abusing welfare are also abusing drugs and alcohol.
I have now posted many references, I can find them state by state. There are no states that found more than a dozen violations with drug testing.
NY Times, yes indeed they can be depended on to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth.
If some one is feeding you , it take the unmitigated gall of a fing elephant to complain about it.
Are you real or are you a random word generating computer app? You make about that much sense.
NY Times is considered to be the finest and most reliable
newspaper IN THE WORLD.
The NYT is a nest of liberal dem bloodsucking vipers, aka American Jihadists.
You 2, may now, go away, you have been exposed to the world as the liberal dem bloodsuckers that you are.
Like the NYT,. you are devoid of merit, worth, value, morals honor or integrity.
Oh please, you are breaking my
heart.
But it does make things easier (too
easy perhaps. I’m not being very
nice tonight). You guys say such
obvious things that tell the rest of
us that you are just making things up.
And those who want to believe you,
do believe you. No evidence
required.
Now, I am like the NYT. That is a
huge compliment. Thank you.
It took a few posts of hers for me to figure out where she’s coming from. She lives in a Marxist bubble, no doubt voted twice for the Muslim and will support the Traitor Hillary. She said she’s married to a Republican who is most likely a businessman and she has a good standard of living from our Capitalist system that she despises.
Here is a case where they tested every single person on welfare and it cost more than it saved: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html?ref=us&_r=0
I posted this elsewhere but a careful examination of all of the transactions by welfare recipients in Maine did find fraud, in .2% of the cases. That is two tenths of one percent. While that is still not something desirable it shows that welfare recipients in Maine are probably a lot more honest than Congressmen:-). http://bangordailynews.com/2014/01/07/politics/lepage-releases-ebt-data-showing-transactions-at-strip-clubs-bars-smoke-shops/
OH WOW; Maine where there are very few druggies.
Pam: Give it a rest. You are fat, you are ugly, and you
are bitchy.
I think it was you I said this to: It’s hard to tell what this woman is, but now I don’t have to wonder, she is a Liberal all the way and no doubt voted for the Muslim Obama twice and will support Hillary.
Emily, sorry, your statement is the opposite of truth. Just about every state has welfare fraud departments, and just about every state has MANY cases of welfare fraud. One report last year showed one store, just ONE store, had bought more than 300 EBT cards in one week for cash. paying 50% of the value. EBT cards have also been used to withdraw cash at strip clubs and casinos. I’m all for helping people out when they need it, but most reasonable people would agree that welfare has evolved into a system that is handicapping the recipients by keeping them bound in the ropes of free money. One youtuber even posted a video in California summarizing all the benefits in that state and concluding by saying “I dont know why anyone would WANT to work”. In my area a single mother of two would have to make more than $62,500.00 a year to beat the benefits provided by welfare.
Years ago I read someone from NY had conducted the same kind of research and came to the same conclusion. The welfare benefits in NYC alone were so high it didn’t make sense to go out and get a job. I looked up the article after meeting a single mother from NYC who sounded like she was bragging about how much she was earning every month from welfare for just “popping out babies”. She was talking to a bunch of minimum wage earners who were on their way to, or just ended their shifts at buttbusting, menial labor jobs while their paychecks were being taxed to the max so this woman, and others like her, could collect those tax dollars while sitting at home and “popping out babies”.
You ever popped out a baby. You don’t do it to make
minimum wage and live off welfare.
Will you stop liberal garbage?
NY sate averages $34k a year in all of the befits.
Time to put all of them and all of the liberal dem bloodsuckers to work or starving/.
I’d rather watch them suck your
blood. It gives me a vicarious
thrill.
Guess you’ve been wearing your rose colored blinders a bit too long. The net ala twitter and facebook and who knows what other social pages are out there are loaded with tweets and stories and selfies/photos of such people. Liberals not only have done it, but they’ve also used the social media to brag about it. All you have to do is google something like “women who keep having babies to increase and/or keep their benefits rolling in”. Not all liberals choose to have partial birth abortions. Some have expressed the opinion that women should have the right to have an abortion up to 36 months AFTER the child has been born! They’re the same ones who think Karl Marx will make a great financial advisor to the potus. But I digress. You’re obviously smarter than all the rest of us, myself included, so you’ll probably know exactly what to google w/o help.
Well, I used your suggestion. And
guess what I got. I got one response.
This was in a newspaper in the UK.
A woman, who was pregnant with
either her 11th or 13th kid, was being
interviewed. And she did say something to the effect that she was
getting lots of money and other
benefits because she was not working.
BUT, she had also mentioned that
the UK was cutting those benefits
by X number of pounds, but she was
going to keep on having babies in
spite of that because she loved
kids.
Some have expressed the opinion that women should have the right to have an abortion up to 36 months AFTER the child has been born! They’re the same ones who think Karl Marx will make a great financial advisor to the potus. BUT I DIGRESS.
You also lie. Why is it that you guys
have such a hard time finding anything to support what you say?
It is amazing. Don’t you know how
to use Google yet?
Not if you have good sense but sadly some do this, whether you believe it not, Liberalism is most responsible for the situation that the majority of black people find themselves in today, if a black man or black woman tries to get an education they are accused by many of their black friends of trying to be white, ask Doctor Ben Carson not only do they have to overcome racist whites but also racist blacks, oh never mind there is no such thing as racist black person.
“, menial labor jobs while their paychecks were being taxed to the max”
You know, you should be a little
less prolific, and maybe you could
make yourself more believable.
There are precious few menial labor
jobs that are being taxed to the max
Being married to a doctor I hear about those types quite a bit, this is a very serious problem, as that old saying goes it’s coming home to roost, when the nuclear family is destroyed so is the country. This is by design though, some German Marxists who migrated here right after WW2 boasted they would destroy America from within, their words ” We Will Make Her Stink” the plan was to get government control of our schools, get control of the news media and entertainment they have been very successful and most likely all are dead now but they made sure they left replacements with the same desires, while it’s true most Liberals don’t want to destroy the Republic but are Tools for those that do, one of those Tools and Fools on here in particular is Dutch but then again she could be what I call a Real Marxist those are the ones who know that it isn’t that Utopia that they have convinced their Tools that it will be. What’s difficult to understand is that history speaks loud and clear that Marxism/Communism only works for the Elitists I would think to find Tools with all the information in this age would be vey difficult even in this dumbed down era we live in. Bill Ayers is another Real Marxist.
Our world has become a very scarey place. The only consolation I find is that the first to fall will be the very people who are pushing for all these drastic changes. They seem to think they will be the surviving ruling class. I guess they’re so busy studying libtardism that no one is bothering to study history. If they did they’d see how it repeats itself.
Well, here is what just happened a couple of days ago in Indiana. They passed a law to do drug testing and realized there were so few people on welfare it was ridiculous: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/15/lawmaker-rethinking-welfare-drug-testing-proposal/25858921/
In Tennessee one person out of 800 tested tested positive for drugs: http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2014/08/03/new-drug-screening-law-knocks-benefits-list/13536859/
You are a liar, when Tn passed the laws, they threw 8% of all of them off the nipple
I am obviously not “lying.” I am saying just what it says in the article I posted the link to in the Tennessean. You, on the other hand, give no source for your claim and I have no reason whatsoever to believe you nor does anyone else. The Tennessean may be incorrect but you need to come up with some reason for us to believe that it is.
I will as soon as you give some valid reason for being worried about kicking the druggies of the wagon?
Jacky, that is not what I said. I clearly said that I am not for people on public assistance using the money for drugs. What I said is that drug testing costs more than it saves and I am not for wasting money. I have always felt that conservatives were careful with money and it was liberals that spent money just because of their beliefs.
jacky: Why don’t you show us your proof. Emily shows
hers?
Emily gave us some sources. Why
don’t you do likewise.
My, you liberal dem bloodsuckers are a hoot.
I have adopted neither her or you, and in fact could care less if you both dropped dead, you can find out the same way that I did, google Tn/welfare losses
Ok, you win. I Googled Tennessee
welfare losses, just as you said.
This is what I found.
NASHVILLE — Six months after rolling out a controversial law to test people for drugs who are applying for public benefits, only 37 of more than 16,000 applicants have tested positive for illegal drugs.
Thanks for the info.
An examination of transactions in Maine showed fraud on a whopping .2% of transactions. That is 2 tenths of 1 percent: http://bangordailynews.com/2014/01/07/politics/lepage-releases-ebt-data-showing-transactions-at-strip-clubs-bars-smoke-shops/
Frank, I did a little research and in California the maximum amount of aid the largest family can get is around $1400 per month in the county where I live. I live in a one bedroom and I was lucky to get it so cheap at only $1900 per month. I rented a room in a house before and was lucky to get it for only $800 per month. That would be very tight for a family with 8 kids. The maximum length of time that anyone can get these benefits is 4 years and I have heard they are really hard to get. You do have to prove you are a US citizen. I am attaching a link to the page from the county benefits website to show that I am not making this up and did not just get it from youtube or some liberal blog: http://www.sccgov.org/sites/ssa/Department%20of%20Employment%20-%20Benefit%20Services/Financial%20Assistance%20%28CalWORKs,%20Gen-%20Assist-%20-%20more—%29/Families/Pages/Financial-Assistance-for-Families-with-Children.aspx
Wow. Tell us the name of the store so that we can
avoid it, maybe even walk around it with nasty signs.
I wish I think of the congressman name but according to him this their right to spend their money any way they like. “Their Money” As one who is forced to give them that money I should have a say in that it cant be used for recreation, one in particular is gambling.
More bull from a left winger apologist of very little brains.
BTW; How about we cut off benefits at TWO children by different fathers?
Pam, I have brains enough to look things up and give a reason for what I say. I have not called anyone names. It would be curious how big a problem that is being as, as I showed, the maximum time anyone can get welfare here in California is 48 months. I am actually quite conservative but that does not mean I need to just repeat whatever I hear without bothering to look it up. Doing that gives conservatives a bad name. We don’t want to be “the stupid party” as Bobby Jindal called us (I do hope you know who he is). There is no state where drug testing of welfare recipients has saved more than it cost. If I am wrong, I would like to know. I searched for a long time and some of what I found may be old enough that it has changed and I would be happy to be wrong. You need to point me to some credible reason. Just calling me names and calling me stupid does not convince me I am wrong. I want to do things that work. I don’t want to waste money just because I am mad at someone for having too many kids.
+Hey, this is a really great idea. why
did I think of that? Make the kids’
pay for the sins of their parents.
If they would do it correctly without warning so the test can’t be tricked they would find I bet near 80%
From all the research I can find, and I can post more but I can see that it generally just ignored, the rate is about double people that are not on public assistance which is not that high. There is an excellent book that came out recently by a neuroscientist at Columbia University that studies drug addiction named Carl Hart. The book is called: High Price. It is written for the layman though I can tell from the comments that it might be hard for most of the people who comment here to understand. IF there is something wrong with his research (besides “he is a liberal and a moron and blah blah blah)” or you can find some evidence that people on public assistance use drugs at a much higher rate than those who aren’t on public assistance (“as in 80% of them do”) I would love to see it (“it must be true because I done saw it with my own eyes” or “you are an idiot for not thinking it is true” is not convincing).
Well the fact many many people have to pass urine testing to get and maintain jobs should be enough even all the proof needed. Fact remains if tax payers have to be tested to work free loaders should be tested to get freebees.
But Christine! If you drug test them how are they gonna get the food stamps to sell so they can support their habits!!
Man! Wouldn’t I love to be able to afford steak and seafood at least once a month. I’m not on welfare, but I am on a fixed income, so I have to begin saving money months in advance so that I can serve steak OR seafood once or twice a year.
Get someone to prove it to you before you start feeling sorry
for yourself.
Over the years I have worked as a cashier in a few different grocery stores. I HAVE rung up lobsters and Alaskan King crab and T Bone or rib eye steaks and crown roasts and all the exotic salad fixins, and fruits, and wines that go with such a meal, THEN watched as the customer paid for EVERYTHING but the wine with an EBT card! Is that proof enough for you? I’ve even had some try to convince me to do something about the wine so that they could purchase THAT with EBT too. I had people come through my line who tried to buy cigarettes and beer with food stamps. And had the temerity to ARGUE with me and call me a f’–n a$$ho!@ when I refused the EBT as payment. These are only MY OWN first hand experiences. Do they count as “proof” before I am allowed to “feel sorry” for myself? BTW I don’t feel sorry for myself. Self pity is for losers. I have always worked hard to provide for my family and to set a good work ethics example for my children. My kids weren’t charity cases. Neither are their kids. Are yours?
No, I don’t believe. Among other
reasons, I will tell you what particularly
tells me you are lying.
” I HAVE rung up lobsters and Alaskan King crab and T Bone or rib eye
steaks and crown roasts and all the exotic salad fixins, and fruits, and
wines that go with such a meal, THEN watched as the customer paid for
EVERYTHING but the wine with an EBT card!”
It is impossible to buy that much
stuff of that type even with a full
month’s worth of food stamps.
Where did I say the purchases were all made by ONE customer on ONE EBT card during ONE transaction? Every single item WAS purchased on the taxpayers dime. AND all these types of purchases are made far more often by people with EBT accounts than one would think imaginable. Had those purchases been a one time thing on one EBT card I’d have passed it off as a one shot deal and dismissed it. Even people on welfare deserve to have at least one memorable shindig in their lives. Yes.The couple each had their OWN AUDIs, ergo the his-n-hers comment. Prove that what I said is a lie. If I wanted to be really nasty I’d insist that you prove that I never saw a couple who drove separate Audis while living on handouts. Instead I’ll go easy on you and only ask that you prove there are no people receiving welfare benefits who are also driving around in expensive cars. You called it now prove it. Put your money where your mouth is.
Just because YOU haven’t witnessed something does NOT mean the people relating their own experiences are liars. It just means that YOU haven’t witnessed it. No more. No less. Prove that it’s impossible for any one of us to have ever witnessed any of the events that we have spoken of. Opinions don’t count as they are only as trustworthy as the person uttering them. You do realize that by calling that man a drunk and by calling many of the rest of us liars on a public forum without citing some kind of source to back your accusations up is a form of defamation of character. We may not ALL be strangers to one another in this forum, therefore, you don’t know how many of us may have learned from you that someone we know, maybe even love, is a drunk. Or a liar. Show us some kind of proof on which you have based your accusations. Let me reiterate — opinions don’t count as they are only as good as the person expressing them.
Well now that you’re done writing
your own rules, I, like everyone else
can’t prove a negative.
But I did say elsewhere, and I will
repeat it here, I worked on the
cashier’s line in a grocery store
for 8 months and never ran into
any such thing.
Churchill: “…show me an OLD liberal and I’ll show you a man with no brain.”
Yes, Churchill did become rather an
old crank as he became older – and
he got voted out of office.
LOL How very true. N B American..
What decade? There was a time when your statement would be correct.
She’s really good at adding words to our posts and calling us liars. Something is very odd about this person.
I noticed. I made a copy of her biography she’d posted awhile ago and now I take her own words and throw them right back in her face. I asked her if her husband knew she was telling lies about him on Disqus. I also asked her if her husband knew she was comparing him to some other guy and the husband came in second. She hasn’t bothered me since. Wonder if hubby reads these posts.
You cannot be this ignorant about the much abused well fare system and the career welfare people abusing it as you come across. From the statements I read are about the abusers and not about the non-abusers. We have created a class of people that in times past were the very cause that all Democratic countries imploded, the framers knew this and hated Democracies so they gave us a Republic but that hasn’t stopped the Liberals. When the citizenry of a nation discovers they can live off the public treasury the nation implodes, and that’s exactly what’s happening in America and it was by Marxist design, as Tools the Liberals are the best for the job, and I’m certainly not saying that the Republicans are great, but compared to the Communist party they are great. Who messed up the education system in this country? why the Liberals. I’m certain you’ll disagree with this so here is an excellent website for you and the book is free written by a former school teacher and ambassador. “The Deliberate Dumbing Down Of America” Her name is Charlotte Iserbyt” you should get her website by the information I gave you. Here is one more free book: “The Liberal Mind; The Psychological Causes Of Political Madness” written by Doctor Lyle H Rossiter a 35 + years as a Forensic Psychiatrist who is well respected by his peers and the psychiatric world in general, also free download. This is not and insult but I believe you live in a bubble and really don’t understand how bad the system has gotten, I don’t begrudge helping any race of people at all, and it’s our duty as Christians to help them but sitting up a career welfare system wasn’t what Jesus had in mind.
It may amaze you, but then, we don’t believe the stories we are hearing
here. That it happens once in a while is virtually a given. But to listen
to the bellyachers here it is a par for the course.
I’m not buying it. I know liars when I see and hear them.
Please, how many people have seen the 300 pound woman with 8 kids and 5 carts of groceries stacked with steak, seafood, and everything else most people buy in limited quantities in the store. They usually are wearing more gold than is left in ft knox, driving an escalade and acting like they are owed everything
I BECAME DISABLED IN 2000. AFTER ALL MY MONEY WAS GONE I HAD TO GO ON FOOD STAMPS THEN THEY WHERE LIKE PAPER MONEY. YET I SAW LAZY AZZ BLACKS GO IN GET THERE FOOD STAMPS THEN GET INTO A BRAND NEW CAR, OR THERE PERSONAL BUSINESS TRUCK.SAME WITH ILLEGALS. THEY HAD PHONY ID’S AND DID THE SAME. I WAS SO HUMILIATED TO HAVE TO SIT THERE WITH ALL THESES GRUNGY BLACKS AND ILLEGAL HISPANICS STEALING WELFARE. CALIFORNIA!!
I saw lazy-a$$ whites doing the same thing! One couple even had his-n-hers Audis. I know, we’re supposed to report fraud when we see it. Well guess what–you report the fraud only to discover that nobody gives a hoot!
It’s those of us who are actually DISABLED who have the problem. It took me a decade after being injured (back injury and nerve damage) to actually get just a diagnosis: “Multiple ruptured spinal disks. massive nerve damage and chronic pain”, and more years to get the first TWO operations, 6 weeks apart. I made it as far as the walkway to the ER door, and then couldn’t move without involuntarily screaming. When I asked for pain meds that actually worked after the SECOND operation, I was instantly labelled an addict and sent for a Drug Rehab evaluation. They sent me back with a note: “This man is in severe pain. TREAT IT!” Instead they dumped me out the doors. I finally found SOME treatment, very irregular because they kept changing doctors on me, at the VA hospital. I’ve now had 7 SEVEN back operations, and I had to FIRE the VA system and find a real pain specialist. Meanwhile I ended up “living” on the street a fair amount. Getting help was hard to impossible; I had been a martial artist all my life, a rock climber, etc., and was told “You look too healthy.” Mention “pain” in a hospital and you may as well be wearing a flashing sign that says, “ADDICT!” As for food stamps (and all this took about 30 years, by the way), mostly I’m much too white. I’m 6 foot two, and from an original “fighting weight” of about 240bs, I now weigh about 160. I get $9 a month in Food Stamps, and eat about one meal a day. Mostly. Sometimes.
I believe our welfare/foodstamps system was supposed to be there for people such as yourself. Not for people who try to get as much as they possibly can while contributing little to nothing in return. Not for people who sit at home watching Vampire Diaries, Game of Thrones and The New Price is Right, Or play Nintendo and Wii games, or spend their days at the beach and their nights in the clubs. Not for people who receive welfare benefits and turn around and convert those benefits into cash. Those people are sycophants and parasites.
I have no problem with the idea of my tax dollars helping to support people who are physically or psychologically unable to work. I don’t even have a problem with the idea of my tax dollars temporarily, or even permanently, as warranted by some cases, helping people who find themselves financially strapped while going through a major life change. Like someone who, through their own carelessness OR NOT, found themselves permanently disabled and unable to earn their own way. Or like someone going through a divorce involving children and a deadbeat/absent parent. I have no problem with my hard earned tax dollars being used to help single parents for the four years it takes to get a degree and another year +/- finding a job. I’d even hope my tax dollars would be used to help pay travel expenses for someone to go to an interview across country. I’d even hope my tax dollars will help pay their relocation expenses once they get the job! I have no problem with my tax dollars being used to help a young person pay tuition that will lead to gainful employment. Once these people become employed they will be “paying it forward” with their own tax dollars.
I have never had a problem with paying to help support elderly people to live more comfortably. Most of our elderly have already spent their entire lives working and contributing to the system. They have EARNED the right to live in comfort throughout their declining years. I don’t know anyone who objects to their tax dollars being spent in the ways I have mentioned. BUT everyone I know adamantly objects to financially supporting sycophants and parasites.
I feel your pain Ian; I BET they wanted to send you to a “Physical Therapy Clinic” TOO didn’t they.
I have a severely pinched Sciatic nerve and when I went to the VA ER the moron there “decided” it was “just a muscle spasm” even though I TOLD him that My Chiropractor had seen the X-rays and accurately diagnosed that there was NO Disc and the nerve was being pinched. Went back days later and the “Urgent Care Clinic” prescribed me a pain killer and scheduled me for an MRI. That was ALL back in January, now I am supposed to get a call scheduling me for an operation.
Sure you did. His’n’hers Audis.
Uh huh
The next time you see a lazy ass black food stamp recipient go up and give them a piece of your mind. I am sure they will like to hear your opinion of how they are ripping off hardworking white people. They will be more than happy to share their thoughts about your comments.
Fran01 does your mother know she raised a total idiotic moron?
Pam: Does you mother know she raised someone who
bitches about everything from morning till night?
Typical conservative Republican’s response when your back is against the fall, resort to name calling. Your fellow Republicans should be proud of you; your response showed your lack of intelligent and class. All of the
characteristic of a conservative.
I remember way back in the 1970’s seeing the BIG healthy black toting Steaks and a watermelon check out paying with food stamps and then go climb into his cadillac. The same bunch now have “handicap” stickers to hang in the windshield of their auto so they can jump out and RUN into the store. Me with my pinched sciatic nerve have to walk about a block.
Oh God, Pam. I feel so sorry for you. You have given so
much to humanity and this is what you get in return. It
shouldn’t have to be born.
Tell me more about these lazy azz blacks. Also about the grungy
ones. They should be treating you better because you are
such a great guy yourself.
Though, I do suspect that perhaps y ou drink a little more than
you should. Just sayin’
If he’s paying for his drinks with money he EARNED rather than with MY tax dollars, then whatthehell business is it of yours, mine, or any of these other respondees? You sound like you’re desperately looking for somebody to beat up. If that is the case how pathetically sad and limited your own life must be.
Yes, I suppose if he is getting drunk
on his own time, it is no business
of mine – and if he doesn’t get into
an accident and run over my
grandchild, or my cat.
But I don’t have to either like or
respect this guy, do I?
Who said anything about him driving drunk? Or is that an assumption on someone’s part. Throughout my life I have known plenty of people who go home and get blitzed after work. None of them leave the house after opening/pouring their first drink. Anyone pulling a DUI on the information highway isn’t going to get anyone’s grandkids or kitties killed. Didn’t you recently trash some other respondees on this site for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU JUST DID TO THIS MAN??
Just exactly what did I do to this man?
He sounded drunk to me. But that
is beside the point. Don’t you also
get tired of such obvious racism,
bigotry, and constant complaining?
” I SAW LAZY AZZ BLACKS ”
“INTO A BRAND NEW CAR”
” THERE PERSONAL BUSINESS TRUCK.SAME WITH ILLEGALS.’
(I’m assuming he meant “their”
truck, but the rest of the statement
has me baffled. Are they sitting
with illegals, or transporting
illegals? Or maybe the illegals
were doing the same thing as
the lazy azz blacks. I’m not sure
I’m clever enough to translate
that sentence.
” THEY HAD PHONY ID’S ”
” I WAS SO HUMILIATED TO HAVE TO SIT THERE WITH ALL THESES GRUNGY BLACKS'”
The poor guy. He is so bright
(well, maybe his control of the
English language isn’t that great)
and there he is, having analyzed each and every one of those people who are looking for the proverbial handout and found them
seriously awful, that just to be
in the same room with them was
far beneath his dignity.
It does break your heart, doesn’t it.
As much as I’ve enjoyed reading that book you wrote about yourself where I learned that after escaping your religious family you went out and got yourself a REAL man [because] he’s a Republican whose only faults are that he’s ripped but not as good as somebody named Martin… who is Martin? No. Never mind. If he’s been in the media and I don’t recognize him then I guess — unlike you– I wasn’t impressed. If he’s someone you know on a more personal level, then that’s a ‘behind closed doors” story which also doesn’t interest me. Btw does your “Republican” know you’ve been comparing him to this Martin character and in your opinion the “Republican” falls a bit short? And that you felt the need to inform a bunch of strangers that your otherwise exceedingly handsome Republican is excused because he’s over sixty? Therefore, his short coming–his lack of really ripped Martinesque abs, really isn’t a short coming after all because he still has his amazing looks which is something you obviously believed needed to be included in your biography. Despite your husbands shortcomings what’s important and all that really matters is that YOU like him just as he is…amazing looks and his comme ci comme ça abs… even if he is a Republican. That’s cool. Good for you. Except it sounded to me like you’re a bit fixated on physical looks. Oh well. To each their own. Right? Btw, you do know how soo NOT politically correct what you said about your husband was–don’t you?
Which brings me to his other shortcoming… According to you, your real man, entreprenurial Republican agrees with you that obama’s constituents shouldn’t be calling our potus any names other than obama (is that right-we should only be calling him ‘mr. president’ or ‘president obama’?) because the potus is doing such a great job and because your entreprenurial Republican husband has decided, after a few angst filled moments, that obamacare really IS ‘the cat’s meow’. (Does anybody smell a RINO here?) Does your husband know you’ve been telling lies about him on disqus? And here you’ve been calling the rest of us liars. Shame on you. But then, in your biography, you did mention something about being the eldest of a somewhat large deep-seated religious family. Was it fundalmentalist? No matter. Guess that wasn’t impressive enough to remember either. However, I do recall you’re saying something like “I got out of all that” or “I got away from all of that” but you kept the religion-is that right? You kept the religion? So what exactly was it you ‘got out of’ or ‘away from’? No matter–whatever you escaped has, apparently, allowed you to feel it’s okay for, or even admirable of you to call the rest of us drunks and liars while you’ve been telling the “catches of the day” kind of whoppers! So…
You can take your two lovely homes, and your lovely car that you drive through ghettoes (you wouldn’t happen to be exceeding the speed limit? tell the truth now) while on your way to any place else, but still makes you more of an authority on the subject of ghetto living than the people who’ve actually lived in, or have lived close enough to the poorest sections of any city to be next door neighbors. Do you and your BFF’s offer any of your grey lady services within the heart of the slums you drive (speed?) through on your way to anywhere but? My. My. Can you hear how impressed I am by you yet? Again…
Take your 30+/- BFF’s whom you play games with go out on the town with and party with and what? just plain have a grand ole time with? And your umpteen world traveller vacations(does Martin go with you? ?), that your slightly imperfect, entreprenurial, Republican can afford to splurge on despite obamacare; your gorgeous grandchild that professional modeling agencies have been clamoring to get under contract but whose really smart mama has vetoed; your 8 months of cashiering experience that you only recalled doing AFTER being called out. (Kind of like a few other ‘retrieved memories’ you’ve experienced after being called out on other things.) But no matter. I can understand how 8 months of cashiering would make you more of an authority about what people buy moreso than those of us who’ve actually spent years doing our jobs but, in your opinion, are so much dumber than a box of rocks that we’re too stupid to tell the difference between EBT debit and ATM debit cards. Ooops! We’re the drunks and the LIARS as you’ve so eloquently stated. My bad.
I may have taken a few liberties with the English language, but what the hell YOU’VE taken liberties with OUR integrity.
As entertaining and enlightening as this “repartee” has been, I think it’s become rather like flogging a dead horse. Or a DRUNKEN LIAR. Ciao, Auf wiedersehen, Arriverdierci, au revoir, 再見-再会,À dopu, Ĝis poste,さようなら, Goodbye. I do hope you understand what goodbye means–don’t you. Sure hope you’re not going to share another tempertantrum with us or come up with a bunch more “retrieved memories” because you need to have the last word that proves you’re 15 minutes of real life experiences have made you so much better and so much smarter than the rest of us.., Liberals! Sheeesh!
She did the same to me, it’s her style. I stated a fact that I see first hand almost everyday of people abusing the system concerning career welfare people. She pretends she is so Jesus like and then criticizes those of us for being critical of that “I’m Entitled” mentality Jesus would certainly not approve of those who abuse something that was designed to help those in need and are ungrateful for what they are given. And she isn’t even consistent in her posts, sometimes she comes across as a flaming liberal, and at other times she seems very conservative. I just don’t answer her, maybe she has a problem and I don’t mean this in a nasty way.
I got sick of her BS so I gave her a dose of her own. I don’t know if you caught the biography she wrote a while back, but I took everything she said, picked it apart like under a microscope, then threw it all back in her face. Haven’t heard nor seen hide nor hair of her since. She struck me as being just plain rude and very immature. She sounded like she was always looking for a fight. So I complied.
OH; I like the BIG FAT ONES in the motorized carts that show up at check out with FOUR cartons of canned soft drinks hanging on the sodas and the rest of the cart FULL of cookies, chips, candy and every other fattening low nutrition food you can name. Should we also mention the luxury items that I can’t afford?
Send us a picture the next time you see that. OK?
Pictures like that are plastered all over the web ALL THE TIME! Do you truly imagine yourself to be so much more superior than any of these people who are speaking of their own personal firsthand accounts? The messages I’m getting from your responses are that you ARE one of the very people these respondees are talking about and you are feeling COMPELLED to defend yourself and others like you! I may be wrong. I sometimes am seeing as I’m only human. But sometimes — I get it exactly right!
Well, you got it exactly wrong this time.
And I guess I must really be out of it,
but I do not see pictures like that
plastered all over the web.
And what do you mean that these
people are speaking of their own
personal firsthand accounts? You
mean those who are telling me that
they are constantly seeing people
with foodstamp cards buying lobster.
I am telling you that they are lying.
Maybe, the writer, or someone the
writer knows, saw something like
that. Once, or Twice.
I have a very good life, but I am
not so protected or so unaware
that if it was around me, I would
not notice.
This is something you want to
believe because you want to
gripe about the government.
You show your ignorance as well as your arrogance. Amazing!!!
You are lying again. Do you know how not
to lie?
LOL I see that quite a lot. But don’t point that to the Liberals like Dutch, she wants a picture; if the price was right I could get her pictures seven days a week. Not to mention racist, and crude and I would say that goes for the vast majority.
I haven’t seen her. Can you tell me where I can find her? That must
really be something.
Are you talking about Pam
What did the French Queen say let them eat cake.
The abuse just goes on, yesterday, while checking out at Costco, the man in front of me, paid with a Welfare Card, sorry it seems to be my impression, you have to pay to join Costco, so if you have the money to pay the fee, why are you shopping on my Tax money? That is not my definition of being “Broke”.
I agree that there is abuse, but I think it’s great that they are shopping at Costco where they can get a better deal and more food for the same dollars, not waste it paying full price at the most expensive grocery stores, and some people get warehouse memberships thru their work.
Sometimes homeless people pool their resources and Costco, BJs and Sam’s Club do let people come on a daily pass. I think it’s smart if they have a place to keep their food safe. I’m in Delaware now and there are places that let them use a refrigerator or stove, computers for job searches and telephones to call home or set up appointments. I do feel sorry for the children though who have hand me down clothes and long for some stability. Jobs are so hard to find now.
As a kid who came from a family with 8 kids, I grew up with all hand me downs and we ate lots of hamburger and mac and cheese. My folks would have never accepted government benefits. Of the 8, six of us earned college degrees, working our way through school (all my brothers by serving in the military) and all of us are contributors to society today.
Here is my suggestion to the welfare issue:
We have public schools in every neighborhood. Why not add the function of providing services to the poor to these schools? Those needing food or health care for their children could bring them to the schools for meals and clinic services and adults who fulfill a work requirement (other than elderly or disabled who could not work, of course) could also be served. Day care could also be provided for the adults meeting the work requirement.
This solution would remove the cash option and lower abuse, and the benefits would be sure to get to those needing them. In addition, high schools would have built in opportunities to provide hands on vocational training for students interested in restaurant management, child development or education, or health professions. They would also get the chance to develop an empathy for those less fortunate than they are.
Just a suggestion. I’m sure ‘compassionate’ liberals will not be interested as this solution interferes with the redistribution of wealth.
Just one problem there: “adults who fulfill a work requirement”.
People don’t seem to get this, but I’ve seen too many times where THERE WAS NO WORK, PERIOD. Not sweeping floors, not picking up trash – NOTHING. You can’t find what doesn’t exist. (I grew up on hand-me-downs too). I’m told it’s getting more and more like that again, too: no work to be found. A local lumber mill is closed down among other businesses. The country is being sabotaged. I can’t see any other conclusion.
Just a suggestion. I’m sure ‘compassionate’ liberals will not be
interested as this solution interferes with the redistribution of
wealth.’
Give it a rest, will ya’.
Why feel sorry for the kids and “hand me down” clothes?
I buy clothes at Salvation Army, Goodwill and at a consignment shop where nearly new and slight used clothes are sold at low prices. When I was growing up a Navy Brat, ALL my clothes had patches and the jeans especially at the knees, My MOM would use the hip pockets to make the patch for the knees.
Is that why you are so angry today?
It’s also possible to HAVE a job, buy a membership, then lose the job. You’d still have the membership for the rest of the year you paid for.
NO necessarily “cheaper”.
Since you shop at Costco, you probably know how
cheap it is compared to most other stores. Do you
know how much an annual membership costs?
I don’t know if prices are different at different places,
but probably not. My daughter pays $50.00 a year.
And she is one of the “tightest” people I know.
That is $8.00 a month. And you are complaining?
Get over it.
These EBT cards should only work at Aldis or priceright. While I was out of work I was able to feed myself and my wife on 175 per month and we ate well not gourmet but well, shopping at those supermarkets. No steak and damn sure no seafood….
There should be limitations on welfare money, it should take care of only food and things that are necessary to survive. How many of you who work and make your own living have to forgo the things that arte not necessary so that you can survive and feed your families, so why can’t we put limitations on money that we are taxed to help less fortunate people, I will go a little further and say if you are able bodied, you must work for your paycheck and must prove that you have done so. There are plenty of places that need your services, you may not get paid by them but at least you are doing something for the money the taxpayers are giving you. One more thing you must be actively looking for work and prove that also. Most Americans want to help if you are truly in need of their assistance, but we get pretty angry if you are just playing the system. meh
Another asshat spitting into the wind. You know nothing of welfare,
Get a JOB!!
I am now comfortably retired. So all you have done with your idiotic childish response is prove your ignorance and my point. People who do not have a clue need to shut up and sit down.
I am retired also and we have to pay taxes on our Social Security yet our spendable income is less than most on welfare and food stamps with housing subsidy. I know a lot about welfare in our county and State. It is severely abused. I stop at the grocery store @ least once a week or Walmart/K-Mart. I see predominately blacks and Hispanics with buggies mounded high. Shrimp, crab legs, lobster, steak, large roast, 10 lb bags of chicken wings and speciality meats like stuffed pepper or bacon wrapped fillet. I don’t begrudge the needy food but to see this and then see them whip out a roll of hundred dollar bills to pay for items not covered by FS. Most of these women have a man with them but I can guarantee the welfare dept knows nothing about the man and his income. The black ones have 18″ dread locks and 3″ acrylic finger nails and always driving a high end vehicle ~ Escalade, Lexus or Mercades. Hispanics normally drive a large 4 dr 4/4 pickup. These are MY tax dollars being abused and we are eating deer, wild hog, wild turkey and fish, not out of choice!!
I see the same Keysrat I would gladly help anyone in need but many today feel they are entitled, I personally see this attitude with those that get free medical service, the majority aren’t even grateful and have no idea their free things come from those of us in the private sector, I believe that goes for most government employees, they say we pay taxes like you do, I reply but not really you just give back a percentage that came from people like me in the private sector.
I love generalities like many and most. Got any factual proof of your claims? I doubt it
If you want proof find a Wall Mart, then go inside they’re pretty easy to spot usually unkempt, usually obese, many of the women wearing clothing two or three sizes too small, many with kids that make their presence known, by yelling, screaming and crying. Of course by now you’re trying to understand what’s wrong with this picture, as I’m sure they see nothing wrong with their looks and behavior
I ask for facts and you supply fantasies. How many of our military for example have to subsidize their meager pay with EBT? Are you degrading our people in uniform? How many single moms because their no good baby daddies left? Again I say most and many is not factual informatiom nor is go to Wally World and watch
There was what was called “Government Surplus Food” back in the late 50’s or so. I don’t know when Food Stamps got started, but the “Surplus” packages went to a lot of enlisted families like mine. A lot of people just wouldn’t have anything to do with it though; it hurt their pride. Hell, when I was first injured to where I could barely stand or walk, nevermind work, it embarrassed ME. Mostly thanks to the V.A. medical system taking their sweet time actually DOING anything, my injuries, mostly to spinal bones and nerves, became permanent. I really did feel humiliated holding out Food Stamps. Sometimes I still do, at 60 years old, but even eating lightly, the food or the money has to come from SOMEwhere.
I can’t remember the last time I saw someone ELSE embarrassed about it though.
Ian I support very much people in need especially our military. Those I’m talking about are those thay take things for granted, career welfare people that don’t even try I know and see them everyday, many fo these folks are racist and have no clue as to how and who pays them, they haven’t even been taught how the system works or is supposed to work. As the old saying goes when there is more in the cart than pulling the cart, it stops. America will implode even though we aren’t a Democracy but a Republic we will implode like all Democracy for this reason the citizenry discovered they could live off the public treasury.
You’re probably right. Working ambulance in East Oakland, I had one man feign the symptoms of a beginning heart attack, then when we got to the hospital he handed me his Medi-Cal sticker, told me he’d changed his mind and walked off to a place across the street – where he had a card game to attend. I tried reporting it and almost got fired over it. Anything that CAN be scammed WILL BE scammed.
The ONLY person here supplying Fantasies is YOU.
How sad that you filled your head with pig feces and liberal idiocy.
I have got a suggestion. Why don’t
you go through all of your posts
(just on this forum should be enough)
and tell repeat for us one in which
you gave us a provable fact.
Then you might also like to find one
that you wrote that didn’t spew
garbage about someone.
I can’t wait to see your response.
Are the poor blowing their food stamps in wild bacchanalias of filet mignon and lobster thermidor? Is this something that we ought to keep a closer look on as protectors of the public purse?
You can probably figure out the answer already, but, um, no. Here are some relevant monthly figures for food spending among the poor, as collected by the Consumer Expenditure Survey:
Meat and fish: $48
Fruits and vegetables: $42
Alcohol: $15
Pretty obviously, there’s a lot more baloney and chicken breasts here than steak and lobster. And this doesn’t change a lot as you move up the income scale. The numbers above are for the poorest tenth of consumers, but they stay about the same even when you move slightly up the income ladder. The entire poorest third spends only about $323 total on food per month.
Should we encourage better nutrition and better food choices among the poor? Less McDonald’s and more broccoli? For all sorts of reasons, of course we should. But should we be worried that public money is being squandered on prime rib or fresh Pacific swordfish? Nope. There’s just no evidence that it’s happening except as the occasional scary anecdote. It’s a non-problem.
Max Ehrenfreund has more details here if you want some comparisons between rich and poor in various categories of consumer expenditures.
Details from a left winger socialist moron like you eh.
How sad your parents raised a total moron.
got anything to refute what I posted Pam? Obviously not so you revert to ignorance and that you do so well
Is there something inaccurate in
what he said. Guess what liberals
do. Complain less, and quote
FACTS more.
What in heavens name does a
Walmart shopper prove? Are you
describing the lazy people who don’t
work but feel entitled to your taxpayer
dollars (by the way, just how much do
you pay in taxes each year?)
You mention unkempt, obese,
wearing inappropriate clothes, have
too many kids. Is this somehow a
dead giveaway in pointing out
people who are on welfare?
Or am I misunderstanding something
here?
Got any brains? I DOUBT IT.
Got any brains? I know you don’t.
Wow, I can’t remember how long it has
been since I couldn’t stand one person
so much.
So, you think they should work for
free? Oh dear god, is there anything
you won’t complain about?
Boy, I’, sure glad my state is 1 of the ones that doesn’t tax SS.
It’s not the State, it’s the FEDERAL Income Tax Return. $18.000 for single and $36,000 for married filing joint.
Do you really think that people on
welfare are getting services of
$36,000 and more per year?!?
The only thing I could think of where
that might be possible is if they
had cancer or something like that
and was getting medical service.
I’m curious. Why do you have so
much rage/hate in your heart? Was
your life really that bad?
I don’t believe you for a minute. Not
one minute.
Nearly every word you have written is
a lie. “most of these women have a
man with them!!!” Are you kidding?
You are hateful and you are mean,
and if you are retired as you say you
are, that is not your picture.
Shakespeare why do you want to silence free speech? Oh I get it you just want speech silenced that’s not Liberal in content. Retired I must be mistaken that doesn’t fit with what you said a couple of weeks ago. I bet your co-workers miss you.
If you bothered to read and not just judge you would see I have no problem with people who make sense even if they disagree with me. My problem is with self professed experts on something they know nothing about. Look at yourself not a post on topic just ad hominem attacks. Apparently lacking in the ability to discuss a topic not unusual for many Conservatives
STILL NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR MORON.
You are still fat and ugy – and a bitch.
He must be one of those dumb lazy liberals!
LOOK IN A MIRROR AND TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE.
Raymond is right. Sit down and
shut up.
Get a life. And quite your continual
whining.
It’s Shakespeare again!!! LOL
No, but I do. My husband was pn it when I met him because he was blind + diabetis. He couldn’t work since he couldn’t “see” w/his hands.
NOBODY is complaing abut the “blind” or truly handicapped being helped with welfare; That is WHO it was really designed to help. NOT all the lazy asshats that do nothing but are perfectly capable of doing so and NOT designed to support lazy females that find it easier to poop out another baby by a different father just to UP their bennies. They then use that for nails, hair, clothes and everything BUT the support of the child.
LMAO PAm your ignorancxe continues you never even mentioned children
She loves the world and the world
loves her – well, except for me.
ONLY “ASSHAT” I see is YOU as usual; Still have your head full of pig feces firmly inserted in your rectum too.
And you’re still fat and ugly.
I do think people should be able to get paper products and cleaning materials. I try to keep handi wipes in my car because I know they are appreciated. I remember when I used to deliver the Washington Times, people would leave blankets in the open (free) paper boxes & that was on the streets of DC. I miss that job.
I agree, but there’s so little on the stamps. one has to choose between food & cleanliness.
You can make perfectly good cleaning products out of household food items like baking soda and white vinegar! I did it for years. Still do. The only thing is you do have to invest plenty of elbow grease. That leaves you having to buy laundry & dish soap, tp & kleenex, shampoo & conditioner, and toothpaste & mouthwash.
“…if you are able bodied, you must work for your paycheck and must prove that you have done so.”
Sorry but I can remember PLENTY of times when there flat WAS NO WORK. I’ve also seen people get thrown out of places. By the fifth or tenth time they need a signature saying they came to apply for work there, stores and other businesses were sick of seeing “the Food Stamp and Welfare people.” In a small town, there are only so many places to go to looking for work. Even 30,000 is a relatively small town, and one such place I lived in (working ambulance) had no buses.
well, GEE, the road sides need cleaning, the streets sweeping parks picked up and all kinds of “make work” jobs that would improve the city/county appearance.
Heck, maybe you should do one or
two of those jobs. It might help you
lose weight.
Curtmavi: There are limitations. You mentioned
most of them.
Don’t you all know? This is the democrats way of solving the “income inequality” problem. Democrats convince them that they are “entitled” to these luxuries at tax payer expense.
You DON’T see Piglosi, Feinstein, Clinton, Weedy Reid or ANY of those RICH FAT CAT DEMOCRAPS digging into their BILLIONS to help the poor; NO NO, in their opinion MUCH better to RAPE the hard working public for the money and then Preen themselves as IF they had done something good.
Would you like to tell us where you got this
information? Ms fat and ugly.
Give it a rest, will you. You argument is old, stale,
and I might add, unChristian.
Benjamin Franklin was a HUGE believer in charity. He opened the first public hospital. The first public college. Did a TON of work to support the poor. This is one of my favorite quotes by Franklin–
I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin
The same government that posts signs not to feed the wild animals as they get dependent on the hand outs and stop hunting is behind foodstamps and welfare… No one in DC sees the irony there???
The left calls folks like Franklin old tired irrelevant white men from the past as they demand that you worship at their foolish altar.
Mike: Well, you are wrong. If people can’t get help when they
are broke, they will go out and find their own money. Some
common ways these days are to steal from you, sell you and your
kids drugs, go pimping. Those are the most common ways.
Perhaps you would like to tell us some other ways.
Another really good idea is for them to be born to different parents
in a different neighborhood. Their opportunities might have been
so much better. But you know, some people just don’t seem to
make the right choices.
True, but that does not or should not stop from “helping” even if that “help” means incarceration. That is help for those who can’t be helped any other way. Yes, some people do not make the right choices in life. Libtards reinforce that by handouts not disciplined hand ups. It’s called workfare. As I recall Clinton not my fave potus was for this.
Incarceration? Then they’ve got a record that will brand them for the rest of their lives. When they get out, they’re back where they started as far as having nothing. Not sure what kind of “help” you mean there. Care to elaborate?
I have long believed that some people
– and maybe many – commit crimes
so that they will end up in jail.
It was on another one of disqus
forums where I mentioned a specific
item I had read in the paper which
surely pointed this out.
A guy from around here had been
let out of jail early (last Christmas)
for good behavior. Within a couple
of days he was on his way back to
the clink.
It was a bitter cold night. He had
no place to go, no food to eat,
all his friends were back in the
old jail house. He decided that
it was better to be there than
be on the street cold, hungry,
and alone.
Yes, it has, does, and will continue to happen. Some are more comfortable in jail, the outside world has become their fear.
That happens on very rare occassion. Probably even less often than people defrauding our public assistance programs. They’re setting themselves up for failure when they do things that will surely result in them having a criminal record.
Dutch: I know a woman who lost everything – job, home, and she had just enough money to buy some fresh pumpkins and parked beside the road in her next-to-worthless car and sold enough pumpkins to start a direct sales business and before long was in better shape than she’d been before. People just need to be creative and figure out ways to be self sufficient. It’s not always easy, no, but it can be done.
It is not that they make bad choices all the time, often they are simply too lazy to do what it takes to to the right thing. I get around to a lot of neighborhoods where the residents receive a lot of assistance. Very often I see people coming from public housing talking on the newest smartphone and driving a very nice car. FYI, my cars are a 2002 and a 2000. My business vehicle is a 2005 used uhaul van. Why do you think they deserve to do better with my money? Public assistance should be just that, assistance, not a way of life.
That’s always the excuse, isn’t it?
They are too lazy.
Oh by the way, I too go through the
public housing district nearly every
day. It is on the way to church, on
the way to the University where I take
a class, on the way to one of my
favorite restaurants, on the way to
the golf course. I can’t remember
the last time I saw a fancy car
parked on the street. As for
smart phones, I haven’t a clue. They
are so prevalent, I just simply don’t
“see” them any more. I’ll try to
find one on my next trip to church.
You are obviously not paying attention!! It is so terrible in our area, I avoid going to the grocery store because I always leave in a RAGE over the abuse!! Talk to your local meat market manager. He can’t say too much but you will get the idea. Everyone who qualifies for welfare and food stamps gets an OBAMA phone. My last trip to store, first girl got a 2 liter off brand soda and $8 in cash. The next girl got a pack of gum and got $10 in cash. Then the boyfriend sets his 12 pack of beer on the counter and the two girls too their cash from their EBT card and paid for the Beer!!! All three loaded up in their black Cadillac Escalade.
When I worked in Admissions in a hospital, I found out some people could buy a 2nd fake
welfare card and or fake social security card for $100 cash. I
did report this & after an investigation found out this was very common. 2 women were found to have more than a dozen……
I’m sure you are right. We do have
crooked people in this country. Thank God we also have people
like you also.
Well, I have once again run into the same problem I have run into so
many times before on Disqus. I’m writing a post, I want to look up some-
thing on the internet, make a copy of it to paste here, and then when I
get back to Disqus, I can’t find my place. It does not go back to where I
took my leave.
So. I will start this post over, write my post, and then attempt to find
the sites so that you will know where I am coming from. Probably will
add them as an edit.
The first quote I had was about Obama phones. I am sure that you
will want to read this one because I know that you would not like to
give misinformation about anything. In this case it is about who gets
“Obama” phones and who started the program. P.S. the short version
of the answers is “not everyone on welfare” and “not Obama.”
Second, again I will try to get the site for you, but the sentence that
I was planning to write in caps said NO CASH CHANGES HANDS.
I’m sure you are right about their all loading into a black Cadillac.
You couldn’t possibly be wrong all 3 times. By the way, let me guess,
they were black.
Some states have set up their EBT (i.e. Food Stamps) with a cash back function. It is something like a credit card. You have a $500 limit on the card, but can take out $50 on a cash advance. Some states have it set up like that. You can purchase a product with your EBT card and then get back a few dollars cash. They have a reason for this setup that sounds plausible and reasonable but it is mostly abused.
Also, Wikipedia is not always correct. The entries are populated by citizens, not any formal group of people that research answers and does due diligence to verify accuracy and authenticity.
I hear you. But coming from direct interventon of others, depression can overwhelm and make the depressed
(clinical depression) unfocused, nonenergetic, unable to get out of the moment, and every day in mental darkness is a slog through an endless series of seemingly simple tasks to the norm.
Then there’s plain old learned laziness…
Dutch, you imply “all”. Some? Of course. But our system makes far too many allowances and chooses wrongly too often and too inconsistently. Long rap sheet released continual offenders belong behind bars. Self medicating “criminals” do not.
“long rap sheet released continual
offenders belong behind bars”
Does this relate to something that I
said? Or did we get off the subject
of feeding the poor and go on to
something else?
Do you know another thing is which
the USA excels? Putting people in
jail. Guess who foots the bill.
Excellent post Sheila.
I hope you’re not including handicapped ppl in that group. I was nearly killed in a car accident in 2000, 14 years before retirement age While I was healing, I was taken off all the meds that kept my arthritis under control and now I can’t walk or type professionally. This is typed w/1 finger. I used to type 136 wpm. Now I’m trying to live on the laughable amount Social Security pays.
Assuming everything you say is true (and I have no reason to doubt you), your type of situation is where the money should be allocated. These able-bodied youngsters whose only “disability” is that they had too many children by too many men at too young an age do not deserve all their money. Oh, and the kids can go to foster home until the parents get their act together. (PS- I do “hunt and peck” in place of real typing).
An excellent analogy between wild animals and food stamp recipients.
I wish that we had politicians like Ben Franklin today. This country would be vastly better than it has become.
Our country might also be vastly better without people like you
with your mentality.
I have been reading through many of your responses and have yet to find one that has a positive message. You sound like a spoiled angry child. I recognize the tone as I raised a spoiled angry child. (Thank God mine finally grew up.) Like my child, you seem to be taking your anger out on people strangers rather than focus it on the person(s) who left you feeling hateful, worthless, and impotent. What a sad little person you must be.
Yeh, sad. That is me. There are very few things that make me angry. But what I find on True Conservative for whatever reason, really sends me over the bend.
I have mentioned before that I grew
up in a Fundamentalist Church &
a right winged family. I left both the
political party and the fundamentalism behind, though not Christianity. My parents and the people in my church when I was growing up were NOTHING like what I am hearing here. They behaved liked Christians. They didn’t swear, they didn’t say vicious things about our leaders, they did not automatically assume the worst about others.
I might also add that I am married
to a Republican and he is
NOTHING like this crowd here. He
is a republican mainly because he
owns his own business and
thinks that the government gets
carried away with rules and
regulations. He has never talked
about those lazy bums on welfare,
he has never used childish
names for the President, and when
he has been wrong he admits it.
Case in point. He has owned his
business for over 30 years. Through those years the single
biggest sweat was health care
insurance for his employees. It
did not occur to him to do away
with it, but that was the thing that
kept going up and up and up.
When times got tough, he took
the salary cut. He was sure that
financing Obamacare was going
to be even more difficult. But he
found out differently. It in fact,
cut his expenses. He had the
good grace to admit he was
wrong on that one.
He is as good and kind and remarkable as you are
going to find out there. And in
good shape and good looking, to
boot. (not as good as Morton
with the abs, but good enough for
a 60+ guy).
We have wonderful kids and
four absolutely beautiful grandkids,
one of which has been approached
for potential modeling job but
smart mama said no.
We have two lovely homes and
we travel around the world. I
have a cadre of around 30 people
whom I can honestly describe as
best friends. We eat together,
sometimes travel together,
go to games together, party
together. I am active in my church
and in a couple of volunteer
organizations.
And, of course, in my spare time” I take out my anger on strangers AND on the
person(s) who left me feeling hateful, worthless, and impotent.
Well, actually, I don’t think I have
ever felt worthless or impotent
in my life. I guess that comes from
being the oldest child in a family
of seven kids.
By the way, did you leave your child
feeling hateful, worthless and
impotent. If so, why? Were you a
nasty father?
You don’t know much about Ben Franklin
do you. Trust me, you wouldn’t have liked
him.
“…We have two lovely homes and we travel around the world. I have a cadre of around 30 people
whom I can honestly describe as best friends. We eat together, sometimes travel together, go to games together, party together. I am active in my church and in a couple of volunteer organizations..” So says the woman who calls many of us liars and/or drunks because she’s never witnessed any of the misuse of the welfare system we’ve discussed on this page but SHE KNOWS what it’s like to live in the REAL world…like we do. Guess she knew Mr. Franklin well enough to warn us off respecting his wisdom too.
I know people well enough to know
that it is not possible either to create
a perfect system (we have to wait for
heaven for that) and to find a system
that no one will abuse. This is the
world, the REAL world.
So what sort of system do you want
to have. I want to have a system
in which I believe Jesus was not only
approve of but would take an active
part in it. He is a communist. He had
no need to control all aspects of
society, especially business, but he
did believe in “community”. So do I.
The government posts signs not to feed the wild animals? That is a new
one on me. Unless they happen to be in Zoos and are getting food
(nutritious food) from their caretakers, or if they are out in the wild and they
may decide to eat you if you get too close.
I guess you have never been to the Grand Canyon, Yellow Stone, Yosemite or a number of other national parks, because believe me they do have signs telling people not to feed the animals. It is for 2 reasons: 1. For the safety of all park visitors and 2. To prevent the wildlife from becoming dependent on handouts to survive. Animals like chipmunks have to work all summer long storing food in order to survive the harsh winter. Not only does feeding them distract them from doing this necessary task, they will also try to store food given to them which will rot/spoil before winter ever gets there. Ma’am I think it would do you better not to comment on things you know nothing about. An old proverb says, “It is far better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
I just looked it up and food stamps are 2% of the Federal Budget (higher than I thought). With no tax deductions a family with median income of $52,000 their contribution to food stamps would be $144 per year. That is for everyone, good and bad. According to Forbes Magazine, which is conservative, 48% of the people that get food stamps are children. 8% are elderly, 20% are disabled and 24% are non-disabled, childless adults. Non-disabled adults can get food stamps a maximum of 3 months in any 3 year period unless they work at least 20 hours a week. At most, a family of four would be getting $133 dollars a month worth of food stamps. Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying that there is no abuse of the system or that I approve of abusing the system in any way but if I do the math it seems to me that it can’t be costing me more than a few dollars a year. While we certainly want to stop it it seems to me there are much worse things going on. There is an old saying “don’t sweat the small stuff.”
Between my husband and I we make about 5 times the median income and that puts in higher tax brackets so we pay even more taxes as a percentage. We probably kick in more than $850 a year so people can have food stamps and I don’t mind a bit. My family came to the US in 1635 and we came to California first in 1846. All the branches of my family have been here a long time, many fought in the Revolutionary War, for the North in the Civil War and for the US in the Mexican War. Since all I have to do is look it up I can find that the vast majority of people that get food stamps need them badly, why wouldn’t I? There are many ways this country is falling behind others in the world and I don’t want to see that happen. There are so many real problems why waste energy on something so tiny?
All this hullabaloo about food stamps. Remember not a single food stamp recipient lobbied congress to switch from commodities PURCHASED BY COMPETITIVE BIDDING to feed the poor to the food stamp Scam we have today. NOT A SINGLE ONE. It was the lobbiest of the WalMarts, Target, Kroger’s ETC, ETC who profit from the food stamp scam. Want to do something constructive? Vote against any incumbent that has been in office over four years. The career politicians DANCE WITH THE ONES WHO BRUNG-UM. FINANCIALLY THAT IS.
Anyone think differently?
Hey dog on a hog; You must be the ASS END of BOTH the dog and the hog. Total lies and BULLSHYTE.
Did you say something, fat and ugly?
A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots!
If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but
not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might
live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or
to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might
live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a
check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not
to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that
was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from
owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty
F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but
not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make
you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is
run by idiots.
If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a
wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman
in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head
searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but
is run by idiots.
If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class
in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation
that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more
government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with
Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free
cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses
but is run by idiots.
If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to
provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment
checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was
diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation
that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest
big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a
wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government
forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself
makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If your government ‘cracks down’ on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for ‘the safety of its citizens’ and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.
What a country!
How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America?
This was borrowed from another blog, author unknown, please spread it far and wide!
This says it all!!!
Oh, dear god. It has been everywhere. If you
don’t like it, go somewhere else. WE THE PEOPLE
have decided to support these things.
If the WE THE PEOPLE supported these things, our country would be over, maybe you should be the one leaving, your socialist CRAP doesn’t fly here.
Call it what you want but socialism
is the closet to a Christian type
govt you will find. And that is to
my liking.
You know where you can stick your socialism, RIGHT?
You know where you can stick your socialism, RIGHT?
How about – in your face
Never happen ASSWIPE!
Amen to that Frank, Marxist Dutch believes she’s very brilliant, Liberalism is truly a Mental Disorder.
Its time to go back to commonitives and do away with food stamps. Cheaper and people get great foods.
Kick these lazy bastards off the system. When they get good and hungry, maybe then they will better appreciate the system. Make them do some kind of community work to instill some sense of responsibility into their worthless carcasses. I’m tired of the government digging into my pockets so the useless among us get a free ride.
I hope the government drains you dry. God I hate
your type.
Unfortunately that barn door was left open ages ago, as we have 2nd and 3rd generation families on “Welfare”. Call it what you will; welfare, food stamps, EBT Cards….etc, it is still the working man paying the way for those who refuse to work. I do not speak of those once working Americans who have lost their jobs, homes and respect due to no fault of their own. Companies moving overseas, a steady influx of foreign workers and Obama’s insane plan granting millions of illegal aliens work permits have forced once “hard-working” Americans into poverty, for which no end seems to be in sight. These people need, and deserve, our help: all others Do Not!
In every town and city, we find people who have never worked, never sought employment, never had a parent who worked, yet they receive thousands of dollars each month for doing nothing but breathing and breeding. This is the demographic this bill is aimed towards, not people who are trying to recover from hard times. I fully support limiting the use of my tax dollar for unscrupulous, permanent receivers of our “Government Dole” to buy only that which is essential to survive. It is not the tax payers duty to support their own family and all who refuse to work.
I would take this bill even further and have each recipient of any form of “welfare” show proof that they are actively seeking employment, in order to continue on the government dole. After all, working class Americans have had to use this method to receive “WELL-DESERVED” unemployment benefits for years. Why, then, would anyone be so blatantly arrogant as to believe “Freeloaders’, “Ne’er-Do-Wells” and “Miscreants” should be allowed to continue in their abuse of our “Welfare System”, without proof of any attempt to better their situation? That is insane thought!
That’s my stance! If we want to save our government, we must cut spending and I believe these people to be pilfering much needed funds from deserving Americans . Stop the fraud, stop the abuse, keep this money for more deserving people and not only will America benefit from the relief, but our dependency on foreign loans will dwindle. Less waste, fewer loans = more money for Americans: Economics 101 !
Just Musing.
In every town and city, we find people who have never worked, never
sought employment, never had a parent who worked, yet they receive
thousands of dollars each month for doing nothing but breathing and
breeding.”
You exaggerate beyond belief. And I’ll bet that your
family through the generations have been belly-
aching about your precious tax dollars too.
As for a requirement to be actively seeking
employment, that is already there, dummy.
Dutch,
I am aware that the provision to “Actively Seek Employment” is part of the requirements to receiving welfare, but, you seem not to be cognizant to the fact that those who have been receiving welfare benefits for years have never sought work, nor have they been asked to prove they deserve the welfare benefits they receive. If a worker loses his/her employment through no fault of their own, they are entitled to “Unemployment Compensation”. They must, first, prove that they lost employment through no fault of their own. Sometimes this is in the form of a hearing where the employer is asked why the person was dismissed. Lies here can be devastating to a displaced worker. There is no such hearing for a person applying for welfare, all they need to do is ask for the benefits, fill out some forms and await a decision. All interviews are conducted between the applier and his/her assigned representative. Can you not see the fallacy here?
Secondly, once it is determined that a displaced worker does qualify for “Unemployment Compensation”, that person has to wait a week before the benefits start, but they have to actively seek employment during that first week, even though they will receive no funds for that week. These persons must present, to the Unemployment Security Commission, proof that they were indeed actively seeking employment. This proof is a form showing where they were interviewed for employment, the date the interview occurred and with whom they interviewed. There is also a stipulation as to how many interviews they MUST have each week. This is not the case for “Welfare” recipients.
As for my family “belly-aching about your precious tax dollars too.”, yes, we do find our tax dollars to be precious, as we have worked all of our lives, never having the government give us “ANYTHING” . Yes, we do belly-ache over a Socialistic government giving our hard-earned, over-taxed dollars to those who do not deserve it.
As for your “You exaggerate beyond belief“ statement, I do not! There is documented proof that some women have made a living by obtaining welfare and having babies while receiving income welfare benefits because they cannot support themselves. They claim the child, have their benefits re-evaluated and then receive more money. They continue this practice to have children, have our tax dollars pay for the medical expenses, have our tax dollars pay for the doctors and then receive more money for the newest child. They then petition their state/city to be licensed as a “Child-Care” provider. Once they obtain this license, they simply have babies, have their siblings to have babies and then they simply stay at home and are paid, by worker tax dollars, to watch their children and those of any family member who joins the “Sting”.
“http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/38309864.html”
My stance is that if one is receiving any kind of government “hand-out” because he/she cannot support themselves, they should not be able to petition that same welfare service for more funds because they became pregnant, while under a welfare program, and need more money for their baby. It should be written, and enforced, that since you cannot support yourself and have asked the state/Feds for welfare assistance, you are not, under any condition, to receive more funds simply because you became pregnant.
“http://www.truthorfiction.com/breadwinner”
First of all, you are right. I have not been cognizant to the fact. And I also don’t believe that it is
a fact. And you have not proven to me (nor has anyone else on this forum) that it is a fact. I’m
going to make a judgment here and tell you that I believe that you believe it is true, because you
want to believe it is true. You want to feel put upon, you want to believe people are cheating because
that way you can feel “not guilty” for begrudging charity.
I will admit that there are people who misuse the system. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
You name a system, it will have those who abuse it. That is life. We have billionaires who abuse
the system. Example: They hide their bank accounts in the Caymans so they don’t have to pay
taxes. I would rather be stolen from a poor person than a rich person any day of the week.
Also, let’s keep types of welfare separate. Food stamps is welfare, but it certainly isn’t the only type.
Unemployment insurance is something else. You don’t collect that if you don’t pay into it. Social
Security isn’t welfare either. You pay and then you receive – if you live long enough. But food stamps is something else. And you don’t necessarily have to be looking for work to get it.
Food stamps can also be for those who are unemployable (like disabled or chronically ill).
I can see your fallacy. That is for sure. You are making up most of the rules. So the person
on unemployment has to wait a week for payment. Most people get paid every two weeks, so
they have some money in their pocket for at least two weeks. And there is not a stipulation as
to how many interviews they must have. For some types of work, there are many jobs available,
and for others there is not. The person who has been a computer scientist does not need to
take a job at Taco Bell just because there are no available positions in computer science this
week, or even this month.
And as for your touching story about the child-care provider, again I have no doubt that it
happens on occasion. You gave an address but all that did is bring up a newspaper from
Milwaukee which tells me nothing. Perhaps it was an incident that was found to be true.
I can see discussing this with you is fruitless, as you have opted to decide anything you do not believe to be true, is not true. If an article, written by a reporter in a city where citizens were found to be collecting on various “welfare” programs by any means: legal or not, receives a simple retort that it tells you nothing, then all other communications with you would be useless, as you have decided that your opinion is fact, without regard to the real facts.
When you say that Social Security is not welfare, as it is payment to workers who paid into it for years, you, once again, show your ignorance of the facts. There are persons receiving Social Security benefits who have never paid a dime into the system. It is not a well publicized practice, but it does exist: whether you believe it or not. There is, supposedly, a 2.6 Trillion dollar trust fund that was set up to make Social Security self-sustaining. In July, 2011, with our government facing a financial “shortcoming”, Obama stated “I cannot guarantee that those checks [he included veterans and the disabled, in addition to Social Security] go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/
So, who is “zooming” whom? If Congress set-up a 2.6 Trillion dollar “self-sustaining” trust fund for Social Security, why would those checks not have been sent? Where did the $2.6 Trillion Congress took from Social Security and used to set-up this fund go? Some say the funds were never used to set-up any trust fund: it was all just a scam. Scam or not, the money appears not to be there. So, where is it? Perhaps those who have never paid a dime into Social Security and are living without any visible means of support know.
You stated: “I can see your fallacy. That is for sure. You are making up most of the rules. So the person on unemployment has to wait a week for payment. Most people get paid every two weeks, so they have some money in their pocket for at least two weeks. And there is not a stipulation as to how many interviews they must have. For some types of work, there are many jobs available, and for others there is not. The person who has been a computer scientist does not need to take a job at Taco Bell just because there are no available positions in computer science this week, or even this month.”
Having been on “unemployment” status, years ago, I know the rules and need not make them up. You, on the other hand, seem to insert your opinions as fact any time the facts confuse you.
While it is your opinion that a Computer Scientist does not have to take a job at Taco Bell, simply because there are no jobs related to his expertise, it is a FACT that if said scientist does not take some employment before the specified limit of his/her “unemployment” benefits expires (unlike any form of “welfare”, which has no time limit), said benefits cease and he/she is left unemployed with no income: i.e., they are not being paid, but their bills are still coming due! This is not made up, nor is it my opinion: it is the hard, cold truth!
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How about sending them to a warehouse to stand in line a get a box of food that contains flour, milk, Pasta, beans, eggs, oleo, dry milk, raw vegetables, some sort of canned meat and other STAPLES , no cookies no crab or lobster, no soda, no fast foods. And with every 10th or so box send someone out to follow them so they cannot go around the corner to sell the food for drug money.
One other thing . . . . . These staples are to make sure the CHILDREN are fed. If investigations show the children are not being fed properly then take the kids and stop feeding the adults. This nonsense of having breakfast, lunch and afternoon snacks in schools should stop.
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Problem is, they already tried that and the Recipicants (misspelled on purpose) screamed prejudice……And the fraud was still there..Friend of mine took boxes of foodstuff in exchange for Avon products…
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That’s the reason for having someone tail the recipient to make sure the box of food at least makes it to the home. Any violation or selling/exchanging the benefit should result in termination of benefits and repeated violations should result in jail time for both the seller and the buyer.
That kind of thing, plus “Government Surplus” used to actually help. I remember a neighbor had a huge block of cheddar cheese – saltiest cheese I’d ever tasted! It’s harder to trade actual food for smokes or booze, so the stuff actually got eaten for the most part. Dad was enlisted military back then (60’s- early 70’s), so we qualified, but when Dad wasn’t off on months long cruises was the only time we accepted that sort of help. I understood that it humiliated Dad to accept ANY sort of “charity food.” It wasn’t his fault food was so expensive or that enlisted pay was so low, but that’s how it was. We ate best when he was off on 18 month WestPac cruises. I mowed and maintained lawns in Officer Country. Every little bit helped.
Anyone who disagrees with the fact that ‘luxury’ items should NOT be purchased needs to step forward and provide money and aid to that person or family PERSONALLY…are you listening liberals?
I purchase ALL my food items on sale. If I had outside resources maybe I wouldn’t be as ‘frugal’.
But when someone is using their ‘food’ stamps in a casino, or on lingerie I would say that person isn’t that hungry to deserve the ‘free stuff’ the govt so willingly provides. Any NONfood product should be ‘kicked’ out of the purchase.
I don’t believe in seeing ANYTHING (human or animal) go hungry. But abuse is prevalent from my observation. .
joy: So far you have only heard bellyachers saying
what they want to believe. I don’t recall a one of
them giving any proof and I do recall someone (I
believe, Emily) who actually gave proof that this is
not happening.
I work in a food bank, a very good one too. We make up bags ahead of time with canned goods, boxed and bagged food and get the frozen food, bread and dessert last. Some people are incredibly grateful and some sit in the waiting room and pick through the bags. Many have their nails freshly done and own a smart phone. Not that a well off person can’t be down on their luck for a while, but I’m talking about those that come every month for years. A few are second or third generation, being taught to rely on the goodness of others who donate. The thing that bothers me most is the mothers who proudly announce their daughter is moving into her own apartment with her boyfriend which is the one thing that makes any children they have doomed to poverty.
It is hard to imagine that is really that much of a problem. The average food stamp benefits for a family of 4 is $133. A pound of filet mignon is $22.00 If the family is poor enough that they are living off the food stamps (and it is common) then they have $4.33 per day to feed a family of 4. That means that if they bought a pound of filet mignon they would be using up 5 days worth of the food budget for the entire family. That would mean that for 5 days the family would have to survive on less than 1 oz of filet mignon each and nothing else. It seems to me that if someone actually did this they would die of starvation and they would not be getting food stamps in the future. It is hard to see why the law is necessary.
It is hard for me to believe that many people feel they are in the lap of luxury with $4.33 a day to feed their families or that anyone would consider that exceedingly generous. Sean says that he “grew up a long time ago” and a long time ago $4.33 was a lot of money but it isn’t anymore.
A family of 4 in N. C. Can receive up to 425.00 of food stamps per month. Know this because my neighbor is receiving them. He works full time but is paid out of pocket and doesn’t report he is working. Sells some of his stamps for drugs and yes he does buy steaks for his grill!!
So, if you know this to be true why aren’t
you reporting it?
BULLSHYTE as usual.
You are simply telling us the obvious here and yet
there are people who will go to their grave believing
a whole big bunch of people are living high of the
hog called food stamps.
I wonder how they ever got a job themselves.
If you can’t explain the logic in trends, behavior, and decisions of late. Remember, in the latter days, right will be seen as wrong and wrong as right. Make sense now?
You mean we are in our last days??? Wow. How
awesome.
How about if Uncle Sam decides what you can spend your tax refund on? Or your employer? Less government my foot.
Would you like to translate our three sentence post.
It all comes down to a very simple yet astute philosophy. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life.
but, but, but – it costs money (from my precious
pocket) to teach someone to fish. Let him figure it
out on his own.
Actually, that is of course we what we hope to do
through various types of educational and training
endeavors, but Pam gave you an “up” mark and
I cannot be on the same side she is.
Not so humiliating when you consider all the other benefits that people who don’t work get like housing, cash, child care, health insurance. There are even multiple people living in one house or government property and they all get the housing allowance. Makes for quite an annual income. More than people working hard get.
Here is a little secret that I would like to share with
you and many of the other writers under this
forum.
There are many countries who are far mar
“socialized” than we are. Start with Europe and
go from there. Check out their socialization record
(especially in health care, strength of unions,
guaranteed vacation days, larger minimum wages
than ours, etc.) and then check their happiness
index. That index exists. I believe in fact that
it is updated every year. See where the US
stands in comparison to these socialist/communist/
Marxists/fascist/or whatever else we may be calling
these countries this year.
We have the biggest bellyachers around. The
ah-geez, they got their hands in my pocket again
and i shouldn’t have to give a penny to anyone
sorts of people.
The first requirement for all the welfare parasites prior to getting approved for handouts, freebies @ taxpayers expense
should be mandatory spaying/neutering!
By the last statement in your post…, would it be fair to conclude, you support Planned Parenthood and abortions? Just curious….
Libertvs: Why don’t you just let them get abortions.
They may get back on their feet some day.
Who was that politician back in, I think, the 50’s, who promised everyone AN ABOVE AVERAGE income? Sounds like his descendents are still in politics…
Wall Street banks and law firms hand out six- and seven-figure year-end bonuses while Wal-Mart and fast food workers are paid so little that have to resort to food stamps and food pantry dregs. It is CEOs, not the working poor, who deserve public scorn for their dependence on government handouts. Of America’s 100 top-paid CEOs, 29 worked schemes that enabled them to collect more in compensation than their corporations paid in income taxes. Their corporations pay nothing for essential government services. That includes patent protection, the Commerce Department’s sanctions against foreign trade rule violations and federal court dispute resolution. However Republicans aren’t going after them. No, they are going after the phantom food stamp recipient who is using food stamp to buy lobster and filet mignon. Wake up America. You are being hoodwinked.
More ignorance and stupidity.
Are you AWARE that without Walmart in that in MANY communities they would have NO WORK at all. Tell if it the pay is soooo poor why do they get 100’s of people lining up to apply?
More stupidity and a liberal dimocrap using the opportunity to spew a bash at Republicans.
Well first of all, I suspect that there have
rarely been 100’s of people lining up to apply for jobs, except perhaps when the bottom fell out of the economy some time during the Bush administration and for
some time after that
And just for the record, not all Republicans
are a target. Just those who are exceptionally vile. They don’t even have
to be dumb, or unable to catch on to the
realities of this world. It is just, you know,
the really scuzzy vile ones that catch my
attention. There are certain words that
especially catch my attention – like
dimocrap. It is so childish, so juvenile, so
insane, that I just cannot resist the urge
to tell those sorts of person just what I
think of them. It ain’t good, it ain’t lady
like, it ain’t polite – but it is exactly how
I feel. And by the way, when was the last
time you saw a liberal use such juvenile
language.
I’d like to talk about Walmart just a little more.
It’s a store I haven’t entered for nearly 15
years. And for what I believe to be good reason. You, and probably the Walmart
gang, tout the number of people they
employ.. And it is a pretty good number.
And without a doubt, the vast majority of
workers get really low pay.
Not only that, but perks are minimal or
non-existent. I don’t pay any attention to
Walmart so things may have changed, but
most workers close to the establishment
and rapid expansion of the corporation
didn’t get health insurance or paid holidays.
It was bare bones.
To make matters worse, most of the
early stores anyway negotiated with
virtually every town in which they opened
a store, allowing them to go tax free in
that city. You know, because they are
so valuable. And meanwhile, Walmart
knocked many a local store off their
feet and they had to close because they
couldn’t compete with the big corp.
Sure has been a blessing.
Wal-Mart’s push for low prices has weakened its U.S. suppliers which have resulted in the closing of U.S. manufacturers and Wal-Mart’s competitors. These out of work’s workers then seek jobs at Wal-Mart who then pays them poverty wages and coach them on how to enroll in social programs such food stamps. In many states, Wal-Mart employees are the largest group of Medicaid recipients.
In its annual report, filed with the Security and Exchange Commission, Wal-Mart writes that changes in taxpayer-funded public assistance programs are a major threat to their bottom line.
Wal-Mart states:
“Our business operations are subject to numerous risks, factors and uncertainties, domestically and internationally,which are outside our control … These factors include … changes
in the amount of payments made under the Supplement [al] Nutrition Assistance Plan and other public assistance plans, changes in the eligibility requirements of public assistance plans …”
Name calling doesn’t change this fact
I’m not sorry there is limits put on food stamps. That part of my dime and some people have gone for generations on welfare and public assistance. The Democrats prolong public assistance, so guess who the people will vote for. They also really are keeping many in the cotton fields. Nothing is being done by Democrats to help the poor. They have them where they want them. To all you liberals, bite me.
“To all you liberals, bite me.”
No thanks, I’m pretty sure you would taste rancid.
Bundt cake? I don’t like that! How come you didn’t bring me some
DVDs? I know you’ve got money, Todd! Why didn’t you write me a check?
Get out of my house, you bastards!”
Is this an actual quote from someone, or is it supposed to be another one of
those endless “I’m sure someone out there would act like this” statements that
you are so fond of.
When I was in college, I worked for about 8 months part time in a grocery
store. I never once saw someone trying to buy lobster and any other such
nonsense with food stamps. I did see some of them buy cigarettes at the
same time, which was not paid for by food stamps, and that pissed me off,
but lobster and steak!!! For the vast majority of food stamps users, you are
simply lying.
‘Assistance helped me several times. It is a ‘good’ thing. Abuse of ‘good’ things creates bad results. ‘Per Capita’ (per person) abuse is where abuse starts. It finishes with misplaced help for the intended recipient. Usually children, sadly…