By the time President Obama took to the podium Thursday, very little was known about the mass shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon. The media didn’t even have the killer’s name yet, much less any information about the gun or guns he used to carry out the massacre. But that didn’t stop the president from using the press conference as a political opportunity to push gun control.
Visibly distraught, Obama said, “As I said just a few months ago, and I said just a few months before that, and I said each time we see one of these mass shootings, our thoughts and prayers are not enough. It’s not enough.”
“It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun,” he said. He insisted that there were people with mental illness in other countries, yet America was the only one to regularly see these kinds of mass shootings. “I’d ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws and to save lives and to let young people grow up, and that will require a change of politics on this issue.”
Feeling particularly riled up, Obama took a preemptive shot at critics who would accuse him of politicizing the tragedy. He dismissed the idea that giving Americans better access to guns would solve the problem. “Does anyone really believe that?” he asked.
Well, since the vast majority of the evidence points in that direction…yes, Mr. Obama…some people believe that very strongly. What is your suggestion? Common-sense gun laws. What is it that we have now? The Umpqua campus was a weapons-free zone, yet for some reason that policy didn’t stop the killer. It may have stopped his victims from having a gun on them when the shooting started, though. And that’s the only possible way this massacre could have been averted or diminished. Instead, the students were sitting ducks.
Pro-gun patriots are not a shy bunch, but it may be time to turn up the volume. Because this is about more than protecting the Second Amendment. We spend too much time on defense, leaving the media free to characterize our position as: Well, this is a shame, but there’s nothing we can do about it, so why bother? That’s not our position, quite frankly, and we need to be better about conveying that message.
Gun control doesn’t just erode freedom – it erodes our safety. It accomplishes the very opposite of what the left believes. It takes guns away from responsible Americans without doing anything to disarm the criminals. Our position is not just in line with the Constitution; it’s in line with protecting innocent lives.
“No Facts Needed for Obama to Politicize Tragedy”
He has obviously been studying the Right Wing Propaganda Machine for some years now.
Payback is a bitch.
For Obama everything he does is politicized. Everything is about his legacy and his agenda. That is the liberal way not the rights. I am tired of the left making us out to be what in reality they are. You are constantly being offended, making a false war on women, tearing down the moral fiber of this country, disregarding the rule of law and when you get caught like Hillary or Lois Lerner you make it look like a witch hunt and never have to answer for your crimes. Its the right who should maybe take a few lessons from the liberals.
” I am tired of the left making us out to be what in reality they are.”
You guys do an awfully good job of being idiots all by yourselves.
Just the fact that you’re also ignorant of what actually going on in the world makes you a laughing stock of the planet.
Facebook is littered with pages making fun of stupid conservatives.
Dozens of websites devoted to the lies and propaganda you fools vomit every day.
You wackadoodle conservatives are definitely unique.
They do studies to find out why you are all so freaking dim.
I know precisely what is going on in the world. Its a mess because of the liberal Democrats. The middle east is a mess, healthcare is a mess, redefining marriage, immorality and abortions are rampant. You want to vote a criminal into the White House, Obama made a deal with our enemies and made deals with a dictatorship. He has made this country unsafe because now ISIS is bring the war to this country and because he won’t do anything about immigration they can just walk right in and bomb or shoot us. I know who is running for president and I know precisely who I don’t want. Fact is I do read the news and watch the news everyday and keep up with it. I know about the hurricane and even stuff the lame stream media refuses to cover.
you are the most delude fool I have heard in a while.
the good news is:
ABSOLUTELY everything you wrote IS A LIE, so not to worry.
none of it will come true. (or is true)
good thing rational people will once again vote in a smart Pres.
Probably Bernie.
you fools can continue to rant for many more years to come.
After Bernie, we will have Elizabeth Warren.
life for you wackadoodles is only just beginning to get hard
You should quit using such big words since you have no idea obviously what they mean. I am not ranting which means I don’t know what I am saying. Its only you who doesn’t seem to know common sense when they see it. I have listened to Elizabeth Warren another liberal loony woman who is just as crazy as Hillary. I think she might be delusional since she seemed to think she was a Native American. Don’t liberals ever tell the truth. Or like Nancy Pelosi saying that we have to pass a bill to see what is in it. Or maybe Wasserman Shultz comparing Rubio to Nazi’s just because the person who is having his fundraiser is a historian that collects memorabilia such as Hitler, Stalin and others from WWII. It is you who are actual delusional in thinking that Warren is fix anything. She will only make things worse and if you think this world is in bad shape now (which most Dems have no clue what is really happening) wait until you get a liberal woman in the WH.
” even stuff the lame stream media refuses to cover.”
Oh, tell me something the “lame stream” did not cover.
How about everything especially if it concerns Obama. How do I know what they didn’t cover I quit watching because all they did was bash the Republicans instead of covering the news. Like right now all they have on is documentaries and tv shows.
” How do I know what they didn’t cover I quit watching”
So first you tell me that the “lame stream media” doesn’t cover anything negative about Obama or his administration.
And then in the next breath tell me you can’t provide examples because you don’t listen to “lame stream media”.
THEN THAT WOULD BE YOU “LYING” Debra.
The “lame stream media” rips Obama new asshole at lease once a week
a year ago you silly cons were saying ISIL was coming across the border.
“ISIS at the Mexican border: US attack imminent”
http://www.allenbwest.com/2014/09/isis-mexican-border-us-attack-imminent/
WHEN is anything you cons whine about going to come true?
It is not going to be a big time event. They are murdering Americans one by one. There are over 200 Americans that are able to come and go as they please with American passports.are on the FBI terrorists list. I suppose you don’t think the Boston Bombing wasn’t a terrorist attack or Fort Hood or the USS Cole or the shooting at the recruitment center.Now we have to worry about Syrian refugees coming with terrorists infiltrating them which they have said they will do.
“I suppose you don’t think the Boston Bombing wasn’t a terrorist attack”
No Debra, that would be silly.
BUT they were not from Mexico, or illegal or ISIL and our 700 billion military budget per year had no way to stop it.
Fort Hood and Cole seemed to be.
Now they want you to be afraid of Syrian Muslims.
Debra, they were telling you to be afraid of the Muslims coming up from Mexico.
That was a year ago.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE INCIDENT.
How many times can these people cry Wolf and you’re still gonna believe it?
I would like to have a study on why fools like you blindly follow a president like Obama and actually believe the garbage that comes out of the WH and think that you know better than me how to live my life. You sound just like the communists who silence those who disagree with them like Christians who are systematically being slaughtered and maligned by the left, conservative news media are being attacked and the left is trying to silence them which are 2 things that the communist do first is to silence the opposition and make them look like the enemy when in actuality it is them. i am not answering anymore of your propaganda, typical liberal hate speech which makes no sense other than it makes you look pathetic and small minded which you are. I will pray for you since that is all I can do because you have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t know whose reality you are in but its not the reality of most people and certainly not anybody I know.
“like Christians who are systematically being slaughtered and maligned by the left,”
Debra has LOST HER MIND.
that’s pretty unbalance.
now Deb can give me an example of this silliness she vomited on the page.
“blindly follow a president like Obama”
actually not too bright human, liberals don’t follow anyone blindly.
that seem to be Debra based on you not being able to prove anything you say.
I disagree with lots of things Obama has done, as do many liberals.
You can find live publications ripping Obama a new one on a weekly basis.
If you listened to anything except Right Wing Hate Media, you would Artie know that.
You would also not say so many stupid things
Funny Deborah.
You should be asking yourself why the liberal is able to prove everything he says.
And Deborah is not able to prove ONE THING she has posted.
Kind of a telling story of who’s being brainwashed and who is not.
AND Deborah should consider this,
“Liberal media” as the same news and the same facts as the other news organizations in 195 other countries,
Deborah’s right wing media has different facts than the rest of THE PLANET.
Which you think is easier?
A giant global conspiracy of the 195 countries to dupe the American conservatives or a US conspiracy by a couple corporations who happen to own pretty much all the radio stations in the nation along with the 1%, to dupe a few million conservatives.
Now if you are a critical thinker you have to go with the second option, even though your ego is telling you not to.
There’s just no way 195 countries are conspiring to affect American politics like you conservatives are pretending.
“making a false war on women”
Please enlighten me on the false war on women
I think Deborah is extremely confused.
Maybe she’s trying to say liberals accuse the right of a war on women, falsely.
Or maybe you trying to say the left falsely accuse the right of a war on women.
But “making a false foreign women” is just stupid.
Let’s see which group is restricting women’s rights? CONSERVATIVES
Who is restricting women’s access to birth control? CONSERVATIVES
Oh, and why do conservatives do this?
Because they are hell-bent on forcing their religious views on the rest of America.
Once again conservatives ignore the Constitution
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Pro-gun
patriots are not a shy bunch, but it may be time to turn up the volume.
– See more at:
https://totalconservative.com/no-facts-needed-for-obama-to-politicize-tragedy/#sthash.prRpFyvq.dpuf“
Well we don’t have a habit of using activist judges to pass unconstitutional laws which gay marriage is one of them. Marriage has nothing to do with the constitution and the Supreme Court should never have taken up the issue.
It takes a pretty low IQ to call the Supreme Court a group of activist judges.
Is that what they were when they decided George W. Bush was president?
Is that what they were when they relaxed gun laws?
Is that what they were when they past citizens United?
(If you even know what that means)
AS WELL AS BEING A LYING TERRORIST, are also a HYPOCRITE
Do you have any idea what a terrorist is. I am not even close to being a terrorist. Most of the Supreme Court are activists as are those in California especially the 9th district. If you notice that when you relax gun laws crimes sky rocket like Chicago and New York City. As for George Bush Al Gore was trying to rig the election by only counting the votes in highly Democratic areas which would have given him the presidency. In other words he was trying to cheat. Considering I had nothing to do with Bush winning how can I be a hypocrite. Also how do you even know I voted for him. Which by the way has nothing to do with our conversation, but somehow liberals always manage to name Bush in on everything even though he hasn’t been president for over 7 years. Give it a break will you its getting to be rather lame.
Me thinks that Obama protests too much. I can’t stand listening to him talk anymore because its either a lie or he pretends to actually care about the American people. It doesn’t matter that the shooter has mental problems which is the problem not guns, but they insist on making more laws which won’t be enforced because of the liberal tendency to disregard the rule of law.
MAYBE he does care about the American people and YOU are the disingenuous human in this conversation.
Debra seems to be unaware that ALL of the news papers (except stupid right wing media) are saying the same thing as Obama.
you are a VERY unpatriotic American who lies all the time about the President.
and you “reality check”?? really?? are very delusional or have your head up a liberal’s butt so far you can’t see daylight.
I don’t see you proving much.
Maybe Tom can list two of Obama’s lies he said yesterday, since you’ve course you think Obama lies constantly.
Of course you and I know, you’ll never produce any lies, since you yourself are the liar
How do you know I’m a liar. You disgust me. You probably just are following your left wing talking points and I call people like you sheep because that’s all you do. You are spouting the same old stuff that all liberals spout because they have no ideas of their own. You are little robots who have to call people names to make yourself look so big and smart. Considering I was at work when he gave his speech I don’t think I can. But I can name you 2 things he said. One was you get to keep your doctor and the other Iran wasn’t going to get a nuclear bomb.
Obama just lies every time you see his lips moving…..those are the only times I know about.
All he cares about is his precious legacy and his liberal agenda. He stands up continuously in front of the cameras and lies to us. His recent comments on trying to get the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens which has nothing to do with the reasons that these school shootings are happening. He is just using it as an excuse to take away peoples guns. He should be talking about the mental health issues and to try to stop these people before they kill. He has made this country less safe and has made us weak in the eyes of our allies so they now are seeking help elsewhere with our enemies. He is a narcissistic, childish, dangerous and yes uncaring person.
“He stands up continuously in front of the cameras and lies to us.”
BUT,
you can’t name two even though he “continuously” lies
how about the Video that he talked about for over a week when we all knew this was a planned attack.
He did say in the rose garden Monday some words that with hind sight could be construed that it was not the video be even when he went to the UN September 25, 2012 he was still blaming the video. 2 weeks after the attack. He knew it was not the video on the 11th. https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/25/remarks-president-un-general-assembly
“His recent comments on trying to get the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens”
Well Debra, THOSE word did not come out of the president.
WHY DO YOU LIE ALL THE TIME?
once again you are a LYING TERRORIST. and a very UN-patriotic American
If he was a communist what choices would he made differently?
I am not unpatriotic. I calls it as I see it. The fact is that because I am patriotic I can’t stand what Obama is doing to this country. He is anti American in everything he does. He is constantly tearing down this country and look at what has happened. Our allies no longer trust us, he makes deals with our enemies, we are more divisive than ever, we have less jobs and more people dependent on the government than ever in the history of the US. He screwed up our healthcare so that there are fewer people who have insurance than before Obamacare. He is causing our energy to go sky high because he shut down coal mining by regulating it so much and he has admitted this. I have a long list but you get the gist of it. And by the way he is not a Christian, but a Muslim no matter what he says. You can’t do and believe what he does and be a Christian.
“He is anti American in everything he does”
OK,
name TWO things he just did that are Un-American.
like getting on the internet and LYING about the POTUS?
“He screwed up our healthcare so that there are fewer people who have insurance than before Obamacare”
MORE LIES from Debra.
“New Obamacare numbers: 16.4 million covered”
“The coverage gains have delivered the largest drop in the uninsured rate
in four decades, bringing that rate down to 13.2% by the end of the
first quarter of 2015, the Department of Health and Human Services
announced Monday. That’s down from about 20% before the health insurance
marketplaces launched in late 2013.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/16/politics/obamacare-numbers-16-million-insured-rate/
So one AGAIN Debra LIES FOR A LIVING is seems
There is a difference in “having insurance” and being able to afford using it. I “had a policy I liked” but it got dropped because it didn’t meet Obama’s liking. The new policy they offered would have gone up over $300 per month, the deuctable would have gone from $2500 to $3700, with out of pocket going from 2500 to over $6500. What a deal!! Right? I went off grid and saved $700 per month. With better coverage. My wife had to have retina surgery and we SAVED over $9000 for that 6 month period. As more people actually have to use the insurance, you will see their dissatisfaction of the stupid program.
How do you go off grid?
I understand about electricity but for health insurance I am lost.
“He is causing our energy to go sky high because he shut down coal mining by regulating it so much and he has admitted this”
THE “regulations” have not even gone into effect, low info TERRORIST.
“Obama unveils new coal mining rules”http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/248197-obama-seeks-new-rules-on-coal-mining
Up to now everything has just been TALK.
bit since you live in a Right Wing Media bubble you are always ignorant of FACTS.
MAYBE Debra will prove she isn’t just LYING TERRORIST.
Companies make choices based on what is coming and do not wait for a big penalty to change their mind. Just the hint that what a co. are doing is going to cost money will change the direction.
Like if you had a coal fired plant that needed some work to keep it on line for several more years just hearing that coal was on its way out could be enough to close the plant rather than spend money to upgrade to extend its life. That choice would cost coal jobs and construction jobs before the regulation went into effect.
“We are not the only country on Earth that has people with mental illnesses or want to do harm to other people,” Obama said.
“We are the only advanced country on Earth that sees these kinds of mass shootings every few months,” Obama said, and hammered Congress for even blocking the collection of data on shooting incidents.
“This is a political choice that we make, to allow this to happen every few months in America. We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones.”
maybe you can point out where he is wrong.
As long as the criminals have guns they are not giving up,
we need to protect ourselves.
A GUN IN YOUR HAND IS BETTER THEN 10 COPS ON THE WAY.
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Do some research. Finland and Germany and Norway have all had shootings. With much smaller populations, proportionately it’s not a lot of difference. It is interesting that Obama says little if anything when 40-50 are killed in the streets of Chicago. And for him to talk about politicizing it, he already has! It’s the Democrat Party mantra, never let a crisis go to waste. Also, a look at the killings since 2000, most were in a location that was designated as gun free, or at least guns are not normally brought there. Seriously think about it, what if the security officer had a gun and knew how to use it?
well those are not “gun free” countries.
Obama mentioned Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
even with the population difference, it isn’t even close.
could you come up with something more original that “gun free zone”
columbine had an armed guard.
Fort Hood had armed guards
the Marine training center had armed guards.
they just go AROUND them.
Yes they do have armed guards but you aren’t usually expecting your fellow soldiers to execute you so yes some were killed, but the difference is that they were stopped otherwise there would have been a blood bath. Also in Denmark or Sweden I forget which where they didn’t have guns a man set off a bomb and proceeded to go to an island where children were camping and picked off over 50 to 70 kids. They should have had a guard or something. If they know there is no guns the death tolls are going to be a lot higher.
Debra seems to know no bounds when it comes to carrying water for the right wing crazies.
So guards HAVE TO BE EXPECTING a terrorist attack in order for a gun to be useful.
I see, that’s not really stupid is it Debra.
GUARDS are supposed to be “guarding”
Both of the cases on military bases was not a fellow soldier.
They were not wearing uniforms and in the case of the last one in Tallahassee, he wasn’t even a member of the Armed Forces SO ………
Once again Deborah is vomiting COMPLETE LIES on the Internet like a homegrown TERRORIST
Yes he was a fellow soldier at Fort Hood. Also not all security guards are allowed to carry weapons. They are just to secure property. I have known several that can’t carry guns. You are an idiot liberal who must call people names because they have anything of substance to say. I am not anything like what you are accusing me of being. You don’t know me and you have no business calling me your names. What I have said can be verified so look it up. So you quit your lying and wake up to the fact that Barrack Obama is pretty much a communist which his grandparents and mother were.
so far Deb, you have been wrong about everything and now your making up excuses for why people attack places WITH GUNS.
“oh, some guards don’t carry guns”
IF ONE person has a GUN, it’s not a gun free zone according to the NRA.
The gun can be on the other side of the base. but the GUN is still there in the mind of the attacker.
” I am not anything like what you are accusing me of being.”
I know that you are very poorly informed and post a lot of lies on the internet.
Oh, and what evil names have I called you ?
“silly” “low info”
babe you need to OWN those titles, because you are .
Like this silly shit
Barrack Obama is pretty much a communist which his grandparents and mother were.
this is YOU LYING again Deb.
he grew up with his WHITE christian grandparents in the mid west.
you will find that Deb CAN’T even begin to prove this without LYING.
Ignore him, Debra. He is a very big waste of your time and effort. The more you tell him what he is, he just gets more and more animated he gets with the descriptions he uses to describe you and it finally gets to the disgusting point. Believe me, those who are the intelligent people we deal with in this world today can certainly differentiate you from the scum he and his liberal troll buddies are.. He is an idiot liberal and that’s all he will ever be. As you see he says “Obama grew up with his WHITE Christian grandparents in the mid-west”. The last time I checked Hawaii was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and not in the Midwest United States. His material grandparents were white but they WERE communists as was his mother and were definitely NOT Christians. Barack Obama has NEVER lived in a Christian family or environment and we all know that.
Don’t worry about what Realty Check says, he’s just a Demo CV rat Party troll trying to get people confused. Misinformation is required for liberal ideology to grow.
All I see you doing is putting the same tired talking points.
And let’s not forget your lies about Colorado.
LOL, talk about someone using tired talking points, look in the mirror! And please, if you think you can, identify “the lies about Colorado”.
that was the bimbo Debra.
so many low info cons, it’s had to keep things straight when it comes to which of you lied about what.
What lies?
In Columbine, the armed officer slowed the 2 killers down considerably , forcing them to fire at the officer instead of the students. It is said that he saveed the lives of so veral students. At Ft. Hood, the room the ISLAMIC shooter chose to kill American soldiers was “gun free”. I’m not sure which Marine training center you are talking about. But in the theater killing in CO, the killer attacked THAT theater because it was ” gun free”. They are cowards !! They don’t go close to armed people when they want to kill someone.
Oh BUT silly con.
the MANTRA is all about that “gun free zone” being SO SAFE.
now you tap dance a new tune about, “well it slowed them down.
just keep spinning your silly tales.
AND THEN
you back to the same “gun free” shit right after I show you 3 cases where that did matter ONE BIT.
did it ever occur to you mental midgets that maybe they chose a specific location because IT HAS MEANING?
ever hear the term “going postal”
cause several postal workers went to work and “went postal”
Not because it was a gun free zone, but because it was significant to why they were really unhappy.
But REALITY wouldn’t further your gun nut agenda would it?
Ha, ha, ha!! I love to get your replies, they are always good for a laugh! Your attacking the “it slowed them down” situation shows York complete lack of understanding of an attack situation. ONLY the security guard had a gun (not a few teachers who were properly trained). He could only be in ONE location. When he heard about the incident he went to where the perpetrators were and engaged them in fire. EVERY SHOT THEY TOOK AT HIM WAS ONE LESS THEY COULD TAKE AT STUDENTS. It also bought time for other officers to get there. So, did it prevent ALL deaths? No. Did it lower the number of casualties? Yes, probably greatly.
I’m guessing that if a sign had been posted showing a gun and saying something like “protected by Smith & Wesson” these “mental midgets” (probably liberals) would have thought twice before going in.
And in your comment to Debra below this post, of course they (the papers) are saying the same thing, they are all far-left-wing rags. And you have the audacity to talk about someone telling lies about the President, the liar in Chief. He has proven over and over again that he is willing to disregard the facts (if he even bothers to learn then) and go with his own predetermined ideas. He said he wanted to “fundamentally transform a America”, and he has, unfortunately it has not been for the better.
“He has proven over and over again that he is willing to disregard the facts”
OK,
so list some examples smart guy.
I predict the silly con will now make excuses for his LIES.
don’t forget your link
“and he has, unfortunately it has not been for the better.”
lets examine reality for the ignorant con
Before Obama, losing 700,000 jobs per month
After Obama, gaining 200,000jobs per month
Before Obama, GDP negative for a year
After Obama, GDP became positive and now the best in the G-20
Before Obama, DOW 6500
After Obama, DOW 17,000
maybe you have some more lies you want to share with me.
And how do you know the attack to because it was “gun free”.
Have you read testimony. Of course that it’s something you gun that’s just made up.
from what I have read he went to the BATMAN movie dressing BLACK battle gear because he though himself an “action figure” here to do battle.
as in the film.
some armed people might have made his DELUSION go better.
as for the Gun free zone BULL SHIT, that’s just you GUN NUTS trying to make a case for every man women and child to carry.
maybe you can link me to some testimony where that was said.
other wise I am going with the “nutjob in black plying out his fantasy” theory.
Guards are too far away… These kind of things go down in a minute or 2. There is no time for a message to go out and then have someone come from any significant distance to help.
There needs to be the possibility of a gun in the classroom so the shooter will not know where help is coming from.
So what is he doing about it. Nothing. We don’t allow it to happen. If people were made aware of mental illness and the families would do something about it then they would be less mass killings. Also the media is responsible because many of them are in a way copy cats.
Also the dems closed the mental hospitals that kept these wierdos off the streets…what about Big Pharma that has done so much damage with their drugs and vacines?
Reality,
He seems to be in the same camp with all the people who do not see this whole issue as a people problem. I saw a news item just a few days ago that England was wanting to ban knives. They already banned guns. So now killers are using knives. Does that surprise anyone? It is not the weapons choice, it is a people issue. It is not going way anytime soon as we simply do not have the knowledge of the whole function of the human brain. But mental heath is where the focus needs to be. We have some 300 million people in this country. If only one per year goes off the deep end, what does anyone expect? That does not mean I think we should not provide better protection to the public from these predators. But that is a huge task. given the odds. Meanwhile we need to overhaul our mental health system big time. But that will not be very successful for quite some time yet. Meanwhile we do away with gun free zones and arm responsible people to reduce the violence. See how easy that is?
I suppose I could hurt you with a fork if need be…what next??? Baseball bats must also be banned with guns…
Maryann33,
As a matter of fact, England is now wanting to ban knives because banning guns did not stop the killings. After that cones forks, darning needles, chain saws, axes and an endless list of items that are potentially dangerous. So, banning weapons does not stop killings. Stopping people will stop killings. When are we going to wake up to that fact?
Gun banning makes no sense except to dictators of the world.
MARYANN33,
It worked for Hitler. If we had a better mental health program some kind of better background check system might help. But that is sadly lacking. We also do not track multiple gun purchases by individuals. We also have parents like the ones at Sandy Hook and Roseburg who make very unwise decisions with their sons who were suffering from some sort of mental illness and got on line and fantasized about mass killers.
But by far, the most frequent killers are the ones who kill one or two due to extreme anxiety. These are the ones that concern me the most. and we can do nothing about them.
We MUST make sure it does not work for the freak in our White House.
MARYANN33,
I am equally concerned about Hillary as well. She wants more stringent background checks. Those are useless without additional mental health improvements and that is not going to happen for quite awhile. As bad as we need to overhaul mental health, it is not going to happen anytime soon. We do not even know how yet. We can’t even identify mental health people yet for sure.
Best we quit while we are ahead. But I would expect both Obama and/or Hillary to resort to “executive privilege”. That has become a farce.
Switzerland has an assault rifle in most homes issued by the government.
They have almost no home invasions and gun violence is unheard off.
The Golden Rule needs to go back into our classrooms.
Empathy needs to be taught.
We must return to our God as a nation and get the heathen out of our White House today.
Arm the unarmed places…It means we need many more guns ready to use at all times to protect the innocent. It is O who has all the blood on his gunless hands….
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The GOP congress in action.
and I can make up anything I want too it does not mean it is even close to right
Yea but who is running the White House with his pen and phone. Just like with anything else he does why not just make another executive order and disregard the congress and the will of the American people.
what does that have to do with Gun Deaths silly Debra?
what part don’t you think is untrue?
Perhaps keeping your head deep in the sand is your problem.
I don’t want to be to simplistic, but Obama and the shooter have a lot in common, they are both the spiritually unclean offspring of mixed race breeding , and they
are both devil worshipers.
Religions: The Occult Connection. It is no coincidence that Evolution, numerous false religions, Westcott and Hort’s corrupting of the Bible, Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Catholicism, and a host of other evils all became major influences upon America in the the late 19th century. Of course, occult Freemason has been the major demonic influence upon America, controlling our federal government since its inception in 1776. These are all Satanic influences, intended to lure mankind into self-made bondage, achieving a Global Police State, and ultimately leading men into Hellfire. Remember, Satan is the god of this world (2nd Corinthians 4:4).
I think in my opinion it is time for the media to interview Hillary Rodham Clinton, truth , about Benghazi, did she have a personal relationship with Chris Stevens, why did he die, how did he die ? Then why is it so important for her to end gun control her way?
She is obsessed with it. I have read many of her tweets, very ugly, time for her to apologize to the Republican Women , stop flailing herself over all black women, why doesn’t she throw herself at Obama, Elijah Cummings has the answers to all of this, he has lied for every democrat, Obama is done , he is so boring , talks in circles, I believe all the Refugees are on their way to this country, ASAP. Where is Kathleen Sebelluis ?
Obama is just like Hitler, after he took everyone’s guns away he simply killed them.
Obama does not care about the facts, he just runs to the camera and blurts out the same old shit.
Except that Hitler did not take the Germans guns, Not too bright conservative.
How about you do a little reading on history and get back to me with your correct depiction of History.
Hey guy, I have read enough of your name calling and attacks. Contribute to the debate without the insults please!
“Not too bright” is hardly an insult to someone LYING on the internet.
now calling me a conservative would be insulting, but i don’t think that is the case with Ron.
it works both ways guy!
Chris Mintz, an army veteran, “tried to protect some people,” his aunt told NBC News in a telephone interview. “We were told he did heroic things to protect some people.”
Mintz was shot seven times trying to save other students. Imagine how different this would have turned out if this army veteran was able to have a concealed carry on campus?
how is it that these mass shootings only occur in “GUN FREE PLACES” has there ever been a mass shootings where there are armed guards or Police Stations ?
“gun free” like a marine training center, a military base & Columbine high school?
there were armed guards at all those locations.
just not where the shooter started to kill people.
i really think you will find it has more to do with WHERE having significance rather than the thought “gun free zone”
were just going to have require everybody to “carry”.
probably starting in Kindergarten since they were the youngest killed.
Those 26 kindergartners could have easily taken out that killer.
You forgot the recruitment centers which do not have armed guards. They gunned down unarmed soldiers who weren’t allowed to have guns.
No one was killed at the recruiting center in Tallahassee you ignorant conservative.
IF the low information conservative did one bit of research before posting her stupidity on the page she would know that no one was killed at the recruiting center.
The gunmen then went to the training facility several miles away and that is where he killed the people on the base with guns.
So as opposed to stopping at a soft target like a church or school or a subway sandwich shop, the greasy chose to drive to a Marine training facility.
STOP SPREADING STUPID ON THE INTERNET
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/07/four-us-marines-killed-in-attacks-on-military-recruitment-offices/398786/
This was in Tallahassee.
A gunman opened fire at two military recruiting stations in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on Thursday morning, killing four U.S. Marines before dying in the attack. Three others, including one police officer, were wounded. On Saturday, one of the wounded, a sailor, died of his injuries.
Facts have never been part of the Obama agenda unless they serve his agenda! How dare this adolescent man lecture the citizens of this country; us smart citizens will protect ourselves in spite of your foolish anti-gun diatribes!
The nut got his guns legally but was by all assessments a nut. Clearly tougher gun laws are required so that conspicuous nut jobs can’t collect guns and use them when they decide they have had enough. Whatever we are doing isn’t working… Clearly… So, an intelligent society tries a new approach. Toughen gun laws so that mentally deranged folks can’t legally get them. That is a start… A slow and pussy assed start… But a start.
How about an actual idea, not just a post suggesting tough gun laws.
I don’t pretend to have expertise on this topic… and so i will have to leave that to those who know more than I.
but i know enough to know that when a law is in place that vets potential buyers of arms for general public safety (i.e., don’t sell to whack jobs) and a LOT of whack jobs legally can get whatever guns they want… we have a problem with the law: either the toughness of it or the broadness of its scope or the enforcement of it or something. i can see something broke when its broke.
you wouldn’t want MY solution anyway… it would be way too draconian for this crowd on this site because i don’t buy the interpretation of the constitution most on this site do regarding the 2nd A. I believe, to the depths of my soul, that if the founders could predict what would become of ammunition and arms and society and federal governments they would have revised the second amendment. I would make it very hard to buy a gun… demonstration of need, purpose, responsibility, training, and massive background checks with yearly renewals required and the slightest offense grounds for confiscation. But, hey, that’s just me and i don’t count for nothing.
I also know one more thing: the founding fathers ALWAYS intended that every (roughly) 20 years, the constitution would be reviewed and revised as needed and appropriate to a changing world/society. But the fundamentalists among us now choose to treat the constitution and its few amendments as sacrosanct. That was not the original idea.
I appreciate your passion but, your solution is unrealistic. There are approximately 300 million guns in America. Confiscation is an impossible feat with those kinds of numbers. I agree with your “training” part. I believe training should be mandatory. Self defense is enough of a need in todays world. Remember…, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness……, I’ll put emphasis on “Life”. Sometimes that might mean defending ones life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. “Slightest offense” what…, you get a parking ticket and they take your guns….? Bottom line is, people kill people. We’ve killed each other for centuries out of greed, lust, anger, hate, jealousy…, the list of excuses is endless. I guarantee you, no new law that’s implemented or passed will stop people from killing one another. Murder is already illegal. Mental health is at the root of the issue. That’s where the discussion should start. Gun free zones…, the stupidest and most illogical idea to date.
Hillsdale College has a great online “Constitutional” study you might want to look into.
http://online.hillsdale.edu/course/con101/schedule
Your comment regarding the Constitution warrants IMHO, a study so you might better understand the laws of our land.
thanks for the info… i’ll look into it. i hear you on the feelings of being insecure and wanting to protect oneself (the irony of things is that we largely created that reality for ourselves). and, of course, people are horrible to one another over history. all the more reason for those most concerned with personal / family security (those who own guns to protect themselves) to advance, promote, support and lead the way on enhanced regulation of guns. even if its not 100% effective… even if its not 80% effective… if it saves a few innocent lives… isnt’ that important? i love life of all peoples more than i love my guns or even my rights to own them. that’s what it really comes down to. I wish more people valued human life more…
Your last 3 sentences of your post sums it up very eloquently. No human life can be evaluated on a monetary scale. Even the lives of those who society deems, for lack of better words…., undesirables. Not to go off topic but, based on your last sentence alone, is why I cannot adhere to the Liberal ideology of “pro choice” because I see value in human life even in the womb. So I’m 100% on board with you wishing the same…..
i am as liberal as anyone on this site. but, i am also trained as a biologist…. and, as such, it is undeniable that human life begins at the point of conception. society has a tough choice with two patients (baby and mom) with opposing needs (interests in the case of the mom?). i am glad i am not the ‘decider’ on this… but i can say one thing with assurance: abortion is the loss of human life. so, as liberal as i am on so many topics.. there are a few where i jump ship and abortion is one of them (not for religious reasons in my case but for simply valuing human life as a biologist). that said, i don’t think its so black and white… but i take every abortion as seriously as the loss of innocent life warrants. wow… what a complicated world we have…
Don’t recall any school shootings till ovomit came around.its a moot point however as he’s not getting our guns and just because he’s a homo and Muslim and hates everything America stands for,even God he still loses,all Christians have to do is fear not and the pos ovomit is and will hang his self .must be why God said fear not.lol
“Don’t recall any school shootings till ovomit came around”
Is it because you have a really low intellect?
Does the word Columbine ring a bell?
There been school shootings since we were country not very well informed old fart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
Maybe you should look something up instead of becoming a lying piece of shit on the Internet?
“and just because he’s a homo and Muslim”
You’re just full of all the right-wing talking points aren’t you Don.
You are definitely the poster child for one of the major problems with America.
IGNORANCE.
You just repeat the same shit the talking heads say day after day after day.
Don does Not require hard evidence.
Don believes in innuendo and factless criticism.
Let’s examine the “Obama is a Muslim” issue.
A large number of the candidates running for president for the GOP, have come out publicly and stated that you conservatives are a group of fringe idiots and that Obama is a good Christian and a good American.
“Jeb Bush: Obama Is ‘a Christian and an American’”
http://www.breitbart.com/obama/2015/09/18/jeb-bush-obama-is-a-christian-and-an-american/
“Chris Christie: ‘Self-Evident’ That Obama Is A Christian, Born In America”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/chris-christie-self-evident-that-obama-is-a-christian-born-in-america/
“GOP presidential contender Rick Santorum on Sunday hit back at claims that he does not believe President Barack Obama is a Christian,”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/19/santorum-i-wasnt-suggesting-the-presidents-not-a-christian/
“Rand Paul: Yes, Obama is a Christian”
That is pretty much the last nail in your “stupid” coffin
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In every situation of a mass shooting, things were normal for the victims of the perpetrator UNTIL he came on the scene. He was the foreign element to the normalcy or civility of their day. He is the “fault factor,” to him must be attributed the blame. He introduced a factor into their lives which adversely affected their well-being. He fundamentally transformed their lives into a temporary hell on earth, and he got exactly what he deserved, whether sane or mentally incompetent. Not one single police officer or law enforcement person would, logically, refrain from shooting the perpetrator until he could be psychologically evaluated for mental competence and purposes of justifiable homicide. It is time for the president to resign before he causes any more trouble.
SAME WAS SAID ABOUT THE LIKES OF Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin and other DICTATORS. They lie! It is what Obama and other dictators are about. They want their way and will do and say anything to get it. Obama can K.M.A.!!
He’s nothing more than an inept fumbling, bumbling, left wing lying pro-muslim racist ass ! He is an international comic that no one has any respect for !
Why would anyone want to be bothered with facts, especially when they fail to support one’s position, when the “heartstrings”
of others are there to be plucked, plucking heartstrings being something that Obama displays a degree of talent re doing..
Obama knows that as long as gun owners in the U.S. have Guns. The Government will never be able to declare Marshall Law. Obama knows that enough Satanic Muslim’s are in place to take the country he hates down. If 150 to 200 Million citizens did not have Firearms and over a Billion rounds of Ammo.
Obama USES tragedy to further the goals of his agenda to destroy America. The victims are not at all important to him, no matter what he says. Each and every time there is a gun involved tragedy, he pushes harder for “gun control” which is actually his goal to disarm America so that we can’t defend ourselves. That WILL NEVER happen in this country. All he would have to do is try to disarm us and see what the result would be. We have gun laws on our books now that would “control” who has guns. We just simply need to be enforcing those existing laws. Guns should have to be sold by licensed dealers ONLY. Individuals should not be able to sell guns in this country and there should be government licensing requirements to control that. If guns are sold at gun shows, those who are selling them should be licensed or they shouldn’t be able to be there. Background checks are already mandatory to buy a gun and that should be enforced more rigidly. The only thing that can’t be controlled is theft of firearms. We keep our firearms in a gun safe and there is no one who can get to them even if they get into our home. They would have to have the combination and they wouldn’t. They can’t carry a 700 lb. safe out of our home easily. Not everyone has or can have a gun safe but we need to do all we can to safely store our firearms so that they can’t get in the hands of criminals or a mentally challenged people. We should also require training to own a firearm along with the license to carry it.
If he was trying to destroy America what would he do differently?
This could be a very short list.
He is trying to destroy America and he is doing everything he is doing to attain that goal. What could he do differently? Thankfully, I don’t have his criminal mind but he’s done quite enough and I’m sure there is more to come between now and November 2016. So, yes I suppose the list of what he might do differently could be a very short list. Most of what he has done already has been entirely too successful because he made sure he had a fail safe stop gap which is the lack of the number of votes required in the Senate to stop his vetoes.
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Hmmmm. Maybe Obamer should form a commission to study how other countries treat their mentally disabled that precludes them from committing violence!!! What do you think?
O is pure dictator now and belongs in Gitmo while we prepare to try him for treason. And then he will be executed for his high crimes and misdeameaners. Can we charge Valerie Jarrett along with him…???? Why have we allowed his picks in office so long…We are under seige now…Stop the bastard child now…..
Obama continues to speak on these tragedies without knowing the facts first and rarely is he called out on it, so therefore mostly untruths from his lips. Remember one of Adolf Hitlers quotes was “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”. I see a parallel. We can learn a lot from history, but alas, they are also removing that from our schools or watering it down from beef and barley soup, to water. PRAY FOR OUR NATION BEFORE THEY REMOVE THAT ALSO! REMEMBER WHAT THE OREGON SHOOTER ASKED THOSE HE SHOT, SO WE ARE REAL TIME ON THAT ISSUE!
What is the difference between the Charleston shooting and the Oregon shooting: MAJOR DIFFERENCES: The Charleston shooting was a white THUG, the Oregon shooting was a black THUG. The Charleston shooting shot black Christians, the Oregon shooting shot white Christians, The Charleston shooting was determined a HATE CRIME by President Obama, the Oregon shooting was not determined a HATE CRIME, but should have been. HOWEVER, A CRIME IS A CRIME, MURDER IS MURDER AND SHOULD BE TRIED AS SUCH. PRAY FOR OUR NATION!
remove the 12 armed men away from your kiddies Obama- come on- show the world there is something in your sack besides dust
Last time I went to the movies I had to bear the contents of my purse to prove that I didn’t have a weapon on me.
My baloney has a first name, it’s B-A-R-A-K,
My baloney has a second name, it’s O-B-A-M-A!
Oh, I’d like to chuck him in the trash and if you ask me, “Why?”, I’ll saaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy….
‘Cause Barak Obama has a way of messing up the USA